1 00:00:42,67 --> 00:00:43,19 The show. 2 00:00:58,09 --> 00:01:04,09 For the council to order her place called me it was I'm here right now it's very 3 00:01:04,10 --> 00:01:08,15 very. Heavy. 4 00:01:11,02 --> 00:01:16,72 Customer silence. Oh yeah I do. Like a little you are 5 00:01:16,73 --> 00:01:22,68 a little bit about knowing if you're here. Have ever said you're. 6 00:01:23,86 --> 00:01:29,62 Here. OK council member Siemens is joining us by phone this evening and council 7 00:01:29,63 --> 00:01:34,65 member Stuart will not be we're here to see. The first item of business is 8 00:01:34,66 --> 00:01:36,89 a public hearing on the extension of the C.D.A. 9 00:01:36,90 --> 00:01:40,80 Boundaries and ordinances amending the to come apart Code Chapter eight point three 10 00:01:40,81 --> 00:01:44,95 six commercial Management District and authorizing the continuation of the to home 11 00:01:44,96 --> 00:01:48,47 a likely crossroads C.D.'s. This is 12 00:01:48,48 --> 00:01:52,90 a public hearing to consider comments regarding the C.T.A. 13 00:01:52,91 --> 00:01:54,88 Request to extend boundaries and authorize 14 00:01:54,89 --> 00:02:00,34 a continuation of the organization if approved the code would be amended allowing 15 00:02:00,35 --> 00:02:01,82 for the continuation of the C.D.A. 16 00:02:01,83 --> 00:02:05,69 Through June thirtieth two thousand and twenty one expansion of its service area to 17 00:02:05,70 --> 00:02:08,80 include those commercial properties and businesses located along University 18 00:02:08,81 --> 00:02:13,31 Boulevard East from end street through Carroll Avenue the restructuring of its 19 00:02:13,32 --> 00:02:18,80 membership and an increase in membership fees. Is there anybody who would like to 20 00:02:18,81 --> 00:02:25,69 testify at this public hearing on the CD and. We 21 00:02:25,70 --> 00:02:27,89 will hold the public hearing open for 22 00:02:27,90 --> 00:02:34,14 a while since we have time until our around seven thirty start for. Public comments 23 00:02:35,07 --> 00:02:40,64 on the matter so well to hold public hearings open to see if anybody comes in and 24 00:02:40,65 --> 00:02:47,57 maybe in the meantime. We could. Turn off the microphones and if 25 00:02:47,58 --> 00:02:51,21 somebody comes in we'll turn it back on again we are just sad think it's about idea 26 00:02:51,22 --> 00:02:55,62 to do that in light of the fact that we've got such inclement weather outside. 27 00:03:09,44 --> 00:03:10,11 Of the off. 28 00:03:54,54 --> 00:04:00,01 We were holding on to see if anybody arrive to testify at the public hearing on the 29 00:04:00,02 --> 00:04:01,41 Tacoma Langley C.D.A. 30 00:04:01,41 --> 00:04:06,76 . I ask again if anybody's here to testify on that to come along with C.D.'s the 31 00:04:06,77 --> 00:04:13,25 public hearings. Seeing none we 32 00:04:13,26 --> 00:04:20,24 will start up with our regular agenda we're couple of minutes early but I think 33 00:04:20,25 --> 00:04:26,42 we can do that for anybody comes in will accommodate them. Will the next go to. 34 00:04:27,86 --> 00:04:31,43 Additional agenda items an agenda or scheduling update there are no additional 35 00:04:31,44 --> 00:04:35,70 items for the seasoning I do want to point out a couple things things on 36 00:04:35,74 --> 00:04:40,20 a coming agenda it's. Next Monday June second will have 37 00:04:40,21 --> 00:04:46,69 a say seven o'clock public hearing on the dog park issue. Then. 38 00:04:48,04 --> 00:04:51,89 The following Monday June ninth the house will be attending the Maryland Municipal 39 00:04:51,90 --> 00:04:56,72 League conference and so there will be no city council meeting that week the 40 00:04:56,73 --> 00:05:03,38 following Monday June sixteenth we have to work session items. 41 00:05:04,53 --> 00:05:09,73 Or potential interesting one on potential legislative action requests that we might 42 00:05:10,66 --> 00:05:16,25 discuss and submit to the Maryland Municipal League and I think there might be some 43 00:05:16,34 --> 00:05:20,69 additional discussion on that just in terms of potential city legislative way Times 44 00:05:20,70 --> 00:05:22,75 as well and then the second item is 45 00:05:22,76 --> 00:05:27,80 a discussion on polystyrene and composed of all of the ship cast member Grimes has 46 00:05:28,03 --> 00:05:30,51 drawn up a draft and will be having 47 00:05:30,52 --> 00:05:37,40 a work session discussion on that item as well. And 48 00:05:37,41 --> 00:05:44,27 I don't have anything else. To point out on the upcoming meetings. 49 00:05:45,90 --> 00:05:50,87 Just except just to say that the fifth Monday of the month is Monday June thirtieth 50 00:05:51,39 --> 00:05:56,23 and that item is still on the agenda is tentative we'll see what we need to do 51 00:05:56,55 --> 00:05:58,30 there's the potential that we might not have 52 00:05:58,31 --> 00:06:05,05 a meeting on June thirtieth but for now we are. Next 53 00:06:05,06 --> 00:06:11,95 item. Is any public comments on voting items on this 54 00:06:11,96 --> 00:06:16,72 evening's agenda and so that would be the first reading or notes amending to come 55 00:06:16,73 --> 00:06:20,64 park code on the commercial management district authorities and authorizing 56 00:06:20,65 --> 00:06:25,31 continuation that come along the crossroads here does anybody want to testify on 57 00:06:25,32 --> 00:06:32,28 the. Caring scene on. Does 58 00:06:32,29 --> 00:06:38,67 anybody wish to. Yes. Does anybody wish to. 59 00:06:39,94 --> 00:06:44,21 Make any public comments on any non-voting items for this evening so that would 60 00:06:44,22 --> 00:06:49,39 include the police department over higher policy and the discretion of the woman to 61 00:06:49,40 --> 00:06:53,95 compact hearing or anything that's not on the agenda this evening and if you'd like 62 00:06:53,96 --> 00:06:56,78 to testify please come to the podium and then 63 00:06:56,79 --> 00:06:59,14 a fire self and please keep calm it's the three months. 64 00:07:04,21 --> 00:07:08,81 Good evening Mayor Williams and council members My name is Joseph Fred Savage's I 65 00:07:08,82 --> 00:07:12,30 live at seventy fifty Eastern Avenue Northwest Washington D.C. 66 00:07:12,78 --> 00:07:17,67 Just right across the border from Tacoma Park I can tell I have all of your 67 00:07:17,68 --> 00:07:22,39 attention to see evening is it the time where you know it might be this colorful 68 00:07:22,40 --> 00:07:27,33 sign on display right here it's because the time matches the sun it definitely is 69 00:07:27,34 --> 00:07:31,27 and that was not planned this literally is hot off the presses I just want to share 70 00:07:31,28 --> 00:07:34,78 with you a group of Tacoma Park as well as home of D.C. 71 00:07:34,79 --> 00:07:37,41 Neighbors are joining together and this is 72 00:07:37,42 --> 00:07:42,96 a sign that you'll be seeing around the community it says it reads right size not 73 00:07:42,97 --> 00:07:45,05 super size development at that's 74 00:07:45,06 --> 00:07:48,41 a coma natural and if anyone is interested in getting 75 00:07:48,42 --> 00:07:55,39 a copy of the sign you can go to W W W dot Tacoma Metro dot com We are 76 00:07:55,40 --> 00:07:59,99 a group of local citizens as I indicated from both jurisdictions who are very 77 00:08:00,00 --> 00:08:04,79 concerned about the current proposal that will modify in the developer have 78 00:08:04,80 --> 00:08:10,05 proposed at the at the to column metro since I last spoke with you at the last 79 00:08:10,06 --> 00:08:14,65 meeting I'll note that the A N C Advisory Neighborhood Commission for V. 80 00:08:14,87 --> 00:08:18,80 Todd did issue an additional resolution indicating their concerns with the 81 00:08:18,81 --> 00:08:23,91 development including the proposed destruction of the green space buffer that faces 82 00:08:23,92 --> 00:08:29,37 the Garden Apartments on Easter avenue I would encourage you as the council to 83 00:08:29,60 --> 00:08:31,71 consider passing 84 00:08:31,72 --> 00:08:37,09 a resolution of your own reiterating your support and also indicating some of your 85 00:08:37,10 --> 00:08:41,37 concerns which have not been addressed from the last resolution which you passed 86 00:08:42,05 --> 00:08:47,11 and I'll also point out that any discussion that occurs with the why OK with will 87 00:08:47,12 --> 00:08:50,97 moderate should be made in public I just want to reiterate that I think that's 88 00:08:50,98 --> 00:08:56,04 really important we want this to development to be right sized in more ways than 89 00:08:56,05 --> 00:09:01,19 one and that includes making sure that the process is done properly that it is done 90 00:09:01,23 --> 00:09:05,12 openly. And that all members of the community all stakeholders have 91 00:09:05,13 --> 00:09:07,75 a place at the table right now there is 92 00:09:07,76 --> 00:09:13,33 a public hearing scheduled for the eighteenth of June. And many of us in the 93 00:09:13,34 --> 00:09:14,76 community were concerned this will be 94 00:09:14,77 --> 00:09:20,42 a kangaroo court and that the community will not be heard in terms of any changes 95 00:09:20,43 --> 00:09:24,36 or improvements being made to the development you may hear from more moderate 96 00:09:24,37 --> 00:09:24,88 rewired 97 00:09:24,89 --> 00:09:31,77 a that well you can just wait where it's all the process the public. The 98 00:09:31,84 --> 00:09:33,47 the process with the D.C. 99 00:09:33,48 --> 00:09:37,46 Zoning commission we don't feel we should have to wait we feel that we should be 100 00:09:37,47 --> 00:09:41,81 heard now how decisions are being made now and as you all know with the vellum and 101 00:09:41,82 --> 00:09:43,54 it gets more difficult to change 102 00:09:43,66 --> 00:09:48,39 a development once it is later in the process so again I want to share with you the 103 00:09:48,40 --> 00:09:51,57 sentiments this is on behalf of Sabrina Eaton who is 104 00:09:51,58 --> 00:09:55,90 a resident of Eastern Avenue on the Tacoma she couldn't be here because of the 105 00:09:55,91 --> 00:09:59,73 weather she has many more of these and we're happy to share them just go to our 106 00:09:59,74 --> 00:10:03,20 website to call in metro dot com Thank you thank you. 107 00:10:15,35 --> 00:10:21,69 I'm Peter Cobar and appreciate everything Joe had to say I'm part of cross border 108 00:10:21,70 --> 00:10:28,01 group and I'm on the Maryland side of the holly Avenue about. Five houses from 109 00:10:28,58 --> 00:10:32,82 Eastern and so I'm in the area that will be directly affected I've been working in 110 00:10:33,19 --> 00:10:39,48 various ways on this dating back more than ten years and certainly Mr marrier from 111 00:10:39,49 --> 00:10:43,08 the with that and Seth who we've been working with very closely and we appreciate 112 00:10:43,09 --> 00:10:50,07 your help as well. I think that Joe pretty much. As we often 113 00:10:50,08 --> 00:10:53,45 say it's all been said but not everybody has said it yet I want to reiterate 114 00:10:53,46 --> 00:10:57,95 a few of the points that he made number one we're not against development at the 115 00:10:57,96 --> 00:11:01,94 site in fact we favor development of the site but it does need to rightsize And of 116 00:11:01,95 --> 00:11:06,07 course and Tacoma Park people should be sympathetic to the idea that we don't want 117 00:11:06,08 --> 00:11:12,06 to do is some sort of anything that's going to be unhealthy the compact hearing is 118 00:11:12,07 --> 00:11:16,02 coming up it's on June eighteenth I'm planning to testify I think 119 00:11:16,03 --> 00:11:20,05 a lot of other people on both sides of the border are I encourage the members of 120 00:11:20,06 --> 00:11:24,52 the council to also do that and or submit a letter or 121 00:11:24,53 --> 00:11:31,04 a resolution one thing that I think people may be interested to know is that there 122 00:11:31,05 --> 00:11:33,31 have been a letter earlier by the old to come 123 00:11:33,32 --> 00:11:38,45 a business association that indicated some I think provisional support for at least 124 00:11:38,46 --> 00:11:44,39 the concept of the development that has been used by the way to suggest that 125 00:11:45,35 --> 00:11:50,57 O.T.B. a Fully supports the project in its current form and O.T.B. 126 00:11:50,58 --> 00:11:51,09 Issued 127 00:11:51,10 --> 00:11:57,23 a clarification today that indicated that they do support development there but 128 00:11:57,24 --> 00:12:02,42 they in no way have indicated any formal support or preference for the specific 129 00:12:02,43 --> 00:12:07,51 development that's been proposed right now I do want to echo Joe and talk about the 130 00:12:07,52 --> 00:12:10,08 process it's a unique situation in which 131 00:12:10,54 --> 00:12:16,71 a lot of the in. PACT falls on jurisdiction namely to Hobart Maryland which doesn't 132 00:12:16,72 --> 00:12:17,30 really have 133 00:12:17,31 --> 00:12:21,34 a formal say in the process so I think it's vital if this hasn't happened yet that 134 00:12:21,35 --> 00:12:22,94 the city requests to be made 135 00:12:22,95 --> 00:12:27,67 a formal party to the plan you know development process or the zoning process 136 00:12:28,02 --> 00:12:32,04 within the district so I hope the council will do that if they haven't already I 137 00:12:32,05 --> 00:12:33,65 also agree that there isn't 138 00:12:33,66 --> 00:12:37,99 a need for and really shouldn't there shouldn't be any. Closed door meetings I 139 00:12:38,00 --> 00:12:42,62 think this is something that should be done openly I think having the as many of 140 00:12:42,63 --> 00:12:45,10 the city officials appear at or assume it's 141 00:12:45,11 --> 00:12:50,26 a. Compact area will be very important and I guess I'm 142 00:12:50,27 --> 00:12:54,83 a little bit concerned just the way the process is set up there seems to be at each 143 00:12:54,84 --> 00:12:56,65 step along the way 144 00:12:57,22 --> 00:13:00,69 a statement that will don't worry you can fix it at the at the next step and by the 145 00:13:00,70 --> 00:13:03,36 time it gets there well fix it the next step and it's 146 00:13:03,37 --> 00:13:09,29 a little bit like the Alice in Wonderland thing where they talk about 147 00:13:09,86 --> 00:13:13,88 evidence following verdict we'd like to see the evidence first and then make 148 00:13:13,89 --> 00:13:15,24 a decision and not the other way around. 149 00:13:22,13 --> 00:13:26,36 I believe Marion's in the council My name's John or city hall and I'm 150 00:13:26,37 --> 00:13:32,17 a commercial property owner in the Congo park. I came down because I'm very 151 00:13:32,18 --> 00:13:36,46 concerned about what's might be happening at the junction and there that are at the 152 00:13:37,44 --> 00:13:43,03 which we all saw on the property. After we announce that the Republic restaurant 153 00:13:43,04 --> 00:13:48,53 was going to was going to come in that it come up. And the black group was doing it 154 00:13:48,84 --> 00:13:49,28 has been like 155 00:13:49,29 --> 00:13:54,14 a really resurgence of people looking for space in the comic part and having been 156 00:13:54,15 --> 00:13:59,49 on the first. Junction committee back twenty five thirty years ago now being you 157 00:13:59,50 --> 00:14:02,57 know always talking about how we're going to get the junction the come back alive. 158 00:14:03,90 --> 00:14:08,56 Here's an opportunity and it's finally surfaced and. Pushes 159 00:14:08,57 --> 00:14:15,43 a button off the surface that. I think is is we have we have an 160 00:14:15,44 --> 00:14:19,86 opportunity here and I just don't want the council to jump at something without at 161 00:14:19,87 --> 00:14:24,07 least looking at what's really happening I'm proud to announce that we took over 162 00:14:24,11 --> 00:14:27,80 management of the first five properties on the junction seventy three hundred 163 00:14:28,13 --> 00:14:34,83 seventy three zero eight we have landed at least for two spring milk 164 00:14:34,84 --> 00:14:35,65 bread which is 165 00:14:35,66 --> 00:14:42,45 a very very nice bakery bread bakery and they're going to go into the corner store 166 00:14:42,46 --> 00:14:45,04 they have stores in Gaithersburg D.C. 167 00:14:45,88 --> 00:14:49,33 But this and. That's I mean we're just 168 00:14:49,34 --> 00:14:54,85 a major factor going into the junction the at that corner set up next to that we 169 00:14:54,86 --> 00:14:55,13 have 170 00:14:55,17 --> 00:14:59,50 a man fitness which is it man it's sternness that stands for mother and daughter 171 00:14:59,51 --> 00:15:01,28 and it's men who is 172 00:15:01,29 --> 00:15:04,87 a resident of the Comal park she and her daughter are going to run the fitness 173 00:15:04,88 --> 00:15:06,50 center and we have 174 00:15:06,51 --> 00:15:13,49 a Thai restaurant that's very very interested in the space but. Having already seen 175 00:15:13,50 --> 00:15:19,74 the mistake of. The council not taking the opportunity while I offered the party in 176 00:15:19,75 --> 00:15:21,68 Old Town I've had to quit in 177 00:15:21,69 --> 00:15:26,27 a point get paid parking lot you mentioned Lee right now it's an hour free I'd say 178 00:15:26,28 --> 00:15:28,10 within six months it's going to be a fully paid 179 00:15:28,11 --> 00:15:33,31 a lot it's just due to all them the businesses that are coming in and we just our 180 00:15:33,32 --> 00:15:37,44 businesses are suffering because I can't find parking spaces the use of business I 181 00:15:37,45 --> 00:15:39,76 don't want to see that happen at a junction you've got 182 00:15:39,77 --> 00:15:41,65 a parking lot there yes make it 183 00:15:41,66 --> 00:15:46,35 a paid parking lot you can the city could make good money out of it but it's got to 184 00:15:46,36 --> 00:15:46,43 be 185 00:15:46,44 --> 00:15:50,92 a public park you know and I know the R P says it has to be public parking but I just 186 00:15:50,98 --> 00:15:55,36 really want to voice against our own that it has to be if you want to junction this 187 00:15:55,37 --> 00:16:01,75 survive and we are really really nice component to all tale with local businesses 188 00:16:01,76 --> 00:16:06,59 small businesses that are thriving then you've got to look at parking don't make 189 00:16:06,60 --> 00:16:12,04 the mistake again and not have parking you have to have is just not important to 190 00:16:12,05 --> 00:16:15,71 the junction and here's an opportunity where the commercial properties the 191 00:16:15,72 --> 00:16:19,92 commercial the man for commercial properties is really high right now and we only 192 00:16:19,93 --> 00:16:20,10 have 193 00:16:20,11 --> 00:16:25,86 a little window of opportunity for another year or so and then once. When poets and 194 00:16:25,87 --> 00:16:31,71 some of the other things that come into Come on it's going to. Be it's really going 195 00:16:31,72 --> 00:16:37,27 to make. Make it even more difficult to try to get businesses over there so I guess 196 00:16:37,28 --> 00:16:41,57 my time is up. Thank you thanks for your comments and good to see here again. 197 00:16:44,68 --> 00:16:49,42 Mr Ross Yes John to get your contact information see your. 198 00:16:54,12 --> 00:16:58,69 I like the next OK I'll keep it short I'm supreme to eat and I live on Eastern 199 00:16:58,70 --> 00:17:04,36 Avenue across from the Tacoma Metro station and the proposed development there as 200 00:17:04,37 --> 00:17:05,46 I've told you guys 201 00:17:05,52 --> 00:17:08,69 a bunch of times I think it's too big and I just wanted to say appreciate the 202 00:17:08,70 --> 00:17:13,23 council's efforts to weigh in on this I would just urge you guys to kind of keep up 203 00:17:13,24 --> 00:17:18,82 with that keep going with the compact hearing and try to ensure that we in Maryland 204 00:17:18,83 --> 00:17:19,62 have some sort of 205 00:17:19,63 --> 00:17:23,26 a say in this because it's going to really affect the houses in Maryland that 206 00:17:23,27 --> 00:17:27,57 directly across the street it's going to affect all the people who commute. You 207 00:17:27,58 --> 00:17:31,53 know the Maryland residents who commute there and it's really important that the 208 00:17:31,54 --> 00:17:34,25 Tacoma Park and you know even though we're in Maryland we have 209 00:17:34,26 --> 00:17:37,15 a voice and so I just wanted to thank you guys and just urge you to kind of keep 210 00:17:37,16 --> 00:17:42,93 going. I kind of miss what some of my my associates said there's a there's 211 00:17:42,94 --> 00:17:46,25 a lot of people who are working together on this on both sides of the border to 212 00:17:46,26 --> 00:17:50,21 kind of try to keep this thing manageable I don't think that many people think that 213 00:17:50,22 --> 00:17:54,30 nothing should go in there I think that you know residents there is fine but what 214 00:17:54,31 --> 00:17:57,96 they're proposing is simply too big and I just urge you guys to kind of kind of 215 00:17:57,97 --> 00:18:01,58 keep up with what you're doing and go for you know give us 216 00:18:01,59 --> 00:18:03,51 a voice thank you back to. 217 00:18:14,41 --> 00:18:15,14 The syllabus. 218 00:18:26,79 --> 00:18:32,30 You know Joe Brown Community activist I'm here with well. And we have handed you 219 00:18:32,45 --> 00:18:33,98 a copy of 220 00:18:33,99 --> 00:18:39,84 a draft resolution. Pushing your calls the United States of America to restrict the 221 00:18:39,85 --> 00:18:44,64 use of drones. Resolution of the city have to come apart for the protection of the 222 00:18:44,65 --> 00:18:49,17 public to give potential threat to privacy and secrecy about the use of I'm an 223 00:18:49,18 --> 00:18:53,96 aerial vehicle ground for us United States airspace is the busiest in the world 224 00:18:54,23 --> 00:18:58,14 without the seven thousand flights per day it could be commercial airliners are 225 00:18:58,15 --> 00:19:02,47 pretty dollars air taxi comprised of military aircraft whereas one of the Federal 226 00:19:02,48 --> 00:19:06,79 Aviation Administration modernization report Act of two thousand plus all the 227 00:19:06,80 --> 00:19:07,46 F.A.A. 228 00:19:07,50 --> 00:19:12,02 Is directed to create regulations of what they will I meant aerial vehicles referred 229 00:19:12,03 --> 00:19:15,53 to in the remainder of this ordnance as drones to fly throughout U.S. 230 00:19:15,54 --> 00:19:20,67 Airspace by September of fifteen whereas the current absence of legal constraints 231 00:19:20,74 --> 00:19:23,52 for the use of drone technology creates a potential for 232 00:19:23,53 --> 00:19:28,56 a government abuse through the unchecked use of drones whereas drones do not have 233 00:19:28,57 --> 00:19:32,33 the same capability to avoid other aircraft and there have been many instances of 234 00:19:32,34 --> 00:19:35,64 drone crashes where as drones have the capability of carrying 235 00:19:35,65 --> 00:19:40,25 a variety of weapons including twelve gauge shotgun tear gas rubber bullets bombs 236 00:19:40,26 --> 00:19:44,35 and missiles that have been used overseas to carry out extrajudicial judicial 237 00:19:44,39 --> 00:19:48,54 assassination whereas drones have the capacity to continuously monitor and track 238 00:19:48,83 --> 00:19:53,27 movements store images and data record phone text communications and take photos 239 00:19:53,28 --> 00:19:56,93 and film individuals without regard to those things which made public and private 240 00:19:56,94 --> 00:20:00,87 access and important for our vases be resolved in any data collected or evidence 241 00:20:00,88 --> 00:20:04,31 obtained by a drone by law enforcement could only be done with 242 00:20:04,32 --> 00:20:09,28 a probable cause warrant or an emergency that constitutes if you drive we had 243 00:20:09,29 --> 00:20:14,15 further resolved the data obtained using a war may only be used during the time of 244 00:20:14,16 --> 00:20:18,85 a court case and must be to we destroyed afterwards and not use for any other 245 00:20:18,86 --> 00:20:23,34 purpose but I don't we have further resolved that weaponize your drones by the 246 00:20:23,35 --> 00:20:28,50 nonmilitary agencies especially by law enforcement agencies be strictly prohibited 247 00:20:28,78 --> 00:20:35,53 also in the Florida about levels that. It's on it's on 248 00:20:36,46 --> 00:20:37,17 yeah OK. 249 00:20:47,75 --> 00:20:53,82 Yeah. Like them. 250 00:20:56,32 --> 00:21:03,10 Oh OK. OK OK 251 00:21:03,36 --> 00:21:05,22 we're doing it now with 252 00:21:05,23 --> 00:21:11,57 a we cannot let them be harassed by drones we have to stop the drones in my being 253 00:21:11,58 --> 00:21:14,26 used in Tacoma Park and not just by 254 00:21:14,27 --> 00:21:19,42 a large fortune but there are other people out there that will want to do damage to 255 00:21:19,43 --> 00:21:20,31 do our right to 256 00:21:20,32 --> 00:21:25,09 a criminal they might get their hands on the drone technology we cannot let them do 257 00:21:25,10 --> 00:21:29,33 it we have to speak up and speak out against us and I'd like to see the city to 258 00:21:29,34 --> 00:21:35,54 come apart save us from my having to step out of our doors or near our windows in 259 00:21:35,55 --> 00:21:42,29 fear of what may be our spying on us later on you know how our private affairs will 260 00:21:42,30 --> 00:21:43,41 be and that will give them 261 00:21:43,42 --> 00:21:47,27 a public and we go you know we don't need that an invasion of our for 262 00:21:47,28 --> 00:21:50,04 a right to privacy we've got to put 263 00:21:50,05 --> 00:21:55,00 a name to it and the other thing too is I'd like to ask I Terry she wishes to I 264 00:21:55,01 --> 00:21:56,49 call in tonight we have 265 00:21:56,50 --> 00:22:03,10 a call in system for the staff of the Tacoma Park and the City Council Oh I heard 266 00:22:03,11 --> 00:22:08,65 that yeah oh Terry she was serious Terry shares are speaking up and I'd like to see 267 00:22:08,66 --> 00:22:12,84 Emma come to the meeting again and yes I do miss him he's 268 00:22:12,85 --> 00:22:17,72 a great councilman he's been really good also I'd like to ask people to come down 269 00:22:17,73 --> 00:22:22,39 on June twenty eighth twenty ninth thirtieth and July first and second that 270 00:22:22,40 --> 00:22:27,72 starvation for justice we had to step machine every year at the Supremes court 271 00:22:28,11 --> 00:22:32,81 protesting the death penalty throughout the country we didn't Maryland that we had 272 00:22:32,82 --> 00:22:36,80 to guide the other states in. Doing the same thing we have to get rid of the death 273 00:22:36,81 --> 00:22:41,93 penalty another form of violence and again these drones may be taking up false 274 00:22:41,94 --> 00:22:46,61 information on people and get them executed for nothing we cannot let this happen 275 00:22:47,10 --> 00:22:50,41 just cannot let this happen you know they're going to be used against minorities 276 00:22:50,74 --> 00:22:54,76 why don't we patent the council while remarkably able to come apart and the mayor 277 00:22:54,77 --> 00:22:55,84 of the council that you were 278 00:22:55,85 --> 00:22:59,68 a leader of this type of thing you have suffered all they do we are weapons from 279 00:22:59,69 --> 00:23:03,64 crossing your territory and if you're one of the burglars that you know is that far 280 00:23:03,64 --> 00:23:08,76 . Yet the first you are the first and you're not going to the first stop to do it 281 00:23:08,77 --> 00:23:12,73 with the drug resolution which will be added to office of cities and towns that are 282 00:23:12,74 --> 00:23:17,58 doing it right now thank you thank you thank you very much he's. 283 00:23:32,82 --> 00:23:35,46 My name is Louis Wolf I'm a resident in D.C. 284 00:23:35,47 --> 00:23:41,46 Of family town forty one zero seven Ellicott street I'm deeply concerned about 285 00:23:41,47 --> 00:23:48,36 drones and the. The deployment of drones by the stupidest ration. Not 286 00:23:48,40 --> 00:23:54,17 only the fact that thousands really untold thousands there's a there's 287 00:23:54,18 --> 00:24:00,05 a website called drone watched or you can look up how many thousands of people of 288 00:24:00,06 --> 00:24:05,67 what are called collateral damage are being killed in other countries by you not 289 00:24:05,68 --> 00:24:11,78 United States drones. Even if even the president the United States has talked about 290 00:24:11,93 --> 00:24:18,55 how we he says how we use drones he says they're very directed very precise very 291 00:24:18,56 --> 00:24:24,02 clinical The fact is that they also talk about collateral damage. That's 292 00:24:24,03 --> 00:24:30,63 a term that's become popular in the military world. It says if they say that war 293 00:24:30,64 --> 00:24:36,55 can be humanitarian mandatory in warfare I would suggest to you that the very fact 294 00:24:36,56 --> 00:24:42,97 that the United States now has drones deployed throughout this country mostly I 295 00:24:42,98 --> 00:24:49,52 would say truthfully not for war uses there is two there are two recorded cases 296 00:24:49,53 --> 00:24:51,39 where they have been used in 297 00:24:51,40 --> 00:24:57,85 a military way and one case near the near the border the Texas border and another 298 00:24:58,28 --> 00:25:03,91 place I think in South Carolina where they are used in an alleged drug drug 299 00:25:04,80 --> 00:25:10,30 case but the fact is they are also used for collection of intelligence on 300 00:25:10,31 --> 00:25:14,01 Intelligence platform as as 301 00:25:14,25 --> 00:25:20,78 a job Ron has pointed out and lastly I would remind you that the owner of. That 302 00:25:20,79 --> 00:25:25,24 Federal Express is now talking about this is on sixty Minutes talking about using 303 00:25:25,25 --> 00:25:31,96 drones to deliver packages How about that. I think I think Tacoma 304 00:25:31,97 --> 00:25:33,25 Park and really set 305 00:25:33,29 --> 00:25:38,99 a precedent as of other places have but in the in this part of the country where 306 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:45,69 drones are not known to be part of our life and they shouldn't be for any reason 307 00:25:45,89 --> 00:25:47,96 Thank you. Thank you. 308 00:26:00,08 --> 00:26:07,00 I. Run in Maple Avenue two comments one on 309 00:26:07,01 --> 00:26:13,92 the Metro development and one on the drums. About the Metro development I work with 310 00:26:13,93 --> 00:26:20,37 a group called Friends road to come up there I keep hearing about. Development it's 311 00:26:20,38 --> 00:26:25,95 too large or too small for the site and it all seems very simplistic to me there 312 00:26:25,96 --> 00:26:26,92 doesn't seem to be 313 00:26:26,96 --> 00:26:33,19 a lot of focus on sustainability which doesn't mean big buildings or small 314 00:26:33,20 --> 00:26:38,02 buildings I have no problem with big buildings in downtown Chicago park there were 315 00:26:38,19 --> 00:26:43,39 they were building six storey buildings in the park in the eighteen nineties for 316 00:26:43,40 --> 00:26:43,91 when they built 317 00:26:43,92 --> 00:26:50,81 a sanitarium. My concern is the sighting of the development the fact 318 00:26:50,82 --> 00:26:55,15 that they're building at the bottom of the valley which is actually the location of 319 00:26:55,16 --> 00:26:59,34 the big Well the little spring there was the big spring little spring and as you 320 00:26:59,35 --> 00:27:04,73 know Tacoma Park was both run two springs they keep talking about they can't find 321 00:27:04,74 --> 00:27:09,31 one of them we know where one of them is because it runs right under city hall and 322 00:27:09,32 --> 00:27:15,98 I told the city about this when we were doing the. The design committee 323 00:27:15,99 --> 00:27:21,04 hearings for this building and every warning everyone said to me I remember 324 00:27:21,05 --> 00:27:25,71 conversing with Harry on the subject he said Brian if you could. If you could 325 00:27:25,72 --> 00:27:31,25 convince them show people where this underground stream is because I don't think 326 00:27:31,26 --> 00:27:35,62 anyone believes that there's an underground stream under the city hall and then 327 00:27:35,63 --> 00:27:42,47 when they went to dig it up. They got the parking lot 328 00:27:42,56 --> 00:27:48,84 they encountered the giant covert operations run comes down from the Metro 329 00:27:49,50 --> 00:27:56,24 runs from basically Spring Street which was named after the spring. Comes from that 330 00:27:56,25 --> 00:28:02,51 trying to plot of land on Spring Street spring playing behind the Metro which they 331 00:28:02,52 --> 00:28:06,59 now want to develop by the way which used to be a public park because there was 332 00:28:06,60 --> 00:28:12,48 a spring on it. Taken out of parkland when the Metro developed. 333 00:28:13,82 --> 00:28:20,02 The tracks and now we have an underground spring that still there and we're talking 334 00:28:20,03 --> 00:28:25,51 about building the building on top of the stream instead of instead of trying to 335 00:28:25,52 --> 00:28:32,00 reclaim the streets there before Metro came in if you look at these 336 00:28:32,01 --> 00:28:37,82 developments that were there before you can see how the area was developed before 337 00:28:37,83 --> 00:28:42,73 Metro came along and where the there were the commercial buildings where there were 338 00:28:42,74 --> 00:28:46,11 commercial buildings on the site there is no commercial there is no mixed use 339 00:28:46,41 --> 00:28:51,47 development and I am concerned about the location the Greens and. 340 00:28:53,66 --> 00:28:59,55 We need to focus on sustainable and good design I don't object to the height of the 341 00:28:59,56 --> 00:29:05,94 building I object to the way it's developed also on the drone issue I just wanted 342 00:29:05,95 --> 00:29:06,93 to say that's 343 00:29:06,94 --> 00:29:12,15 a very important issue and I might support for that I should mention that. 344 00:29:13,77 --> 00:29:20,00 Apparently Medea Benjamin wanted to be here. Tonight and show her support for the 345 00:29:20,01 --> 00:29:24,99 issue which you can make it because of the weather so I'd like to point out that 346 00:29:25,38 --> 00:29:29,62 the Obama administration actually changed the law on drones which is why this is an 347 00:29:29,63 --> 00:29:35,98 issue it's not it's not because of hype over Iraq War Afghanistan they actually 348 00:29:35,99 --> 00:29:42,85 changed some of those legal police use. Drones and illegalize hobbyist use of 349 00:29:42,86 --> 00:29:47,92 drugs they used to be legal for noncommercial use of drones but illegal for law 350 00:29:47,93 --> 00:29:52,72 enforcement they reversed that so they literally made what was illegal for law 351 00:29:52,73 --> 00:29:55,16 enforcement illegal now there had to have been 352 00:29:55,17 --> 00:30:00,17 a reason why it was illegal before and thank you Mr Imus and that's what I have to 353 00:30:00,18 --> 00:30:04,82 say like. Anybody else. 354 00:30:10,17 --> 00:30:16,51 I'm worried here saw him testifying on behalf of historic Tacoma I'm here because 355 00:30:16,55 --> 00:30:22,39 you're going to be discussing them are deceiving here to reiterate all of our 356 00:30:22,40 --> 00:30:27,60 concerns haven't changed with respect to the scale of the massing the green space. 357 00:30:29,03 --> 00:30:35,75 All of that we submitted comments at the whim of the hearing and 358 00:30:35,76 --> 00:30:36,41 Bruce I gave you 359 00:30:36,42 --> 00:30:41,34 a copy I don't know where the you distributed them to the council but if you have 360 00:30:41,35 --> 00:30:48,32 it could you please do that this was the latter that Michelle Rosenfeld wrote. And 361 00:30:48,52 --> 00:30:53,34 for the for the jury yeah for the amount of hearing because in it there are some I 362 00:30:53,35 --> 00:30:57,96 think important points that I'd like you to be aware of and one is that we feel 363 00:30:58,13 --> 00:31:03,75 that there needs to be a federal process because five. The F.D.A. 364 00:31:03,76 --> 00:31:06,74 Approval that's required is a federal action and 365 00:31:06,82 --> 00:31:12,45 a federal review process for our store districts because they are there are two 366 00:31:12,46 --> 00:31:16,87 historic districts National Register historic just or so that are impacted this 367 00:31:16,88 --> 00:31:23,02 would involve consultation with the Maryland side of the line as well as the 368 00:31:23,03 --> 00:31:27,07 district side of the line in a federal process which is different than 369 00:31:27,08 --> 00:31:33,22 a local process and so I'd like to speak more with you about that Bruce if we could 370 00:31:33,23 --> 00:31:37,39 meet and have a conversation about it but I think that's really really 371 00:31:37,40 --> 00:31:43,41 a very important point here with both of our historic districts also something that 372 00:31:43,42 --> 00:31:49,15 was brought up by our attorney was the gross inconsistency with what they're 373 00:31:49,16 --> 00:31:53,81 proposing with the central district plan even for going into 374 00:31:53,82 --> 00:31:56,75 a pub process that is so extreme that she believes that's 375 00:31:56,76 --> 00:32:01,88 a problem and I'd like to talk with you again we should I mean have 376 00:32:01,89 --> 00:32:07,44 a look at her comments and please distribute it but I think this this is 377 00:32:07,45 --> 00:32:13,28 a serious issue and requires process requires more process than what is going on 378 00:32:13,32 --> 00:32:19,45 and going forward here. I'm also I'm also worried that I'm hearing there are 379 00:32:19,68 --> 00:32:26,67 private meetings being considered with. Possible mana 380 00:32:26,71 --> 00:32:32,68 on this with some council members I don't know if that's the case or not but I want 381 00:32:32,69 --> 00:32:36,28 to caution you on that because this project has 382 00:32:36,29 --> 00:32:43,27 a very bad history of that happening without public input please do not 383 00:32:43,28 --> 00:32:49,57 go down that path again and make sure things are. Above board and well maybe not 384 00:32:49,58 --> 00:32:54,02 a book board is the right word but certainly transparent I think that that's very 385 00:32:54,03 --> 00:33:00,77 very important and I noted in the I just want to say that please you should 386 00:33:00,78 --> 00:33:07,13 be making sure you have the most current copies and elevations of everything as I 387 00:33:07,14 --> 00:33:12,53 was looking at the most recent elevation that was attached to this it was David May 388 00:33:12,67 --> 00:33:19,59 fourteenth and it is such bad resolution I can't tell if anything has changed but I 389 00:33:19,60 --> 00:33:25,82 want to alert you to that because if they are generating changes or whatever to 390 00:33:26,19 --> 00:33:32,73 that concept planned by God You should have good copies of data and so if you could 391 00:33:32,74 --> 00:33:39,41 inquire on that I it's an intelligible I just can't read it but I did I was able to 392 00:33:39,42 --> 00:33:44,61 see that it was dated May fourteenth maybe they just changed it for the maybe same 393 00:33:44,61 --> 00:33:45,94 . Makes 394 00:33:45,95 --> 00:33:50,32 a year in there and then come in and the letter that you're referring to copies 395 00:33:50,33 --> 00:33:53,65 have been distributed to the council it comes through thing and the the letter that 396 00:33:53,66 --> 00:33:57,83 you were referring to copies have been destroyed you know the did yes thank you 397 00:33:58,75 --> 00:33:59,88 kook. 398 00:34:08,40 --> 00:34:12,99 Arthur David Olson Hancock Avenue to the relief of us all wearing my citizen with 399 00:34:13,00 --> 00:34:18,03 ideas that now that this year's budget is adopted some long term budget 400 00:34:18,04 --> 00:34:23,50 considerations first council member male asked about when the equipment replacement 401 00:34:23,51 --> 00:34:27,39 Reserve would begin to grow at the rate of inflation I created 402 00:34:27,40 --> 00:34:32,23 a spreadsheet using equipment Reserve data made available last year and my 403 00:34:32,24 --> 00:34:37,45 understanding of the city's new policy of provided on request one piece of good 404 00:34:37,46 --> 00:34:42,03 news the level of the equipment Reserve is near to the roughly three point six 405 00:34:42,04 --> 00:34:47,43 million dollars consistent with the new policy. However the city's capital 406 00:34:47,44 --> 00:34:51,92 expenditures are lumpy for example plant fiscal year two thousand and nineteen 407 00:34:52,03 --> 00:34:56,74 capital expenses about twice those of typical years due in large part to 408 00:34:56,75 --> 00:35:00,19 replacement of expensive trash trucks after 409 00:35:00,20 --> 00:35:05,10 a year such is that the mouthing equipment replacement Reserve will actually drop 410 00:35:05,92 --> 00:35:11,67 which is bad news to keep up with the inflation in the long run the reserve level 411 00:35:11,68 --> 00:35:17,72 must rise faster than inflation in other years. A greater interest in budgeting 412 00:35:17,73 --> 00:35:22,20 though is the growth in the yearly addition of the reserve which is eight hundred 413 00:35:22,21 --> 00:35:27,100 forty thousand dollars this year. Here it looks as if the addition will grow at the 414 00:35:28,01 --> 00:35:32,30 inflation rate over the long run although the growth will vary from about one and 415 00:35:32,31 --> 00:35:37,29 a half percent to about five percent in individual years again due to the lumpiness 416 00:35:37,30 --> 00:35:43,62 of capital expenditures Secondly this year's budget included information on how 417 00:35:43,63 --> 00:35:48,35 much money the city has in various funds the general fund the special revenue fund 418 00:35:48,36 --> 00:35:54,37 and so on. Next year for each of these I'd like to also see information on how much 419 00:35:54,45 --> 00:35:59,45 the city needs in these farms I'd expect to see that what the city has in funds 420 00:35:59,46 --> 00:36:05,06 reserved for cable capital expenses is far greater than what it needs while for the 421 00:36:05,07 --> 00:36:10,48 equipment replacement Reserve what the city has is about what it means. I'd also 422 00:36:10,49 --> 00:36:14,52 like to see the dollar amounts for what the city has and what the city needs 423 00:36:14,72 --> 00:36:19,83 according to actuaries in its police employee retirement fund here what the city 424 00:36:19,84 --> 00:36:24,89 has is far far less than what it needs I believe these numbers would be useful to 425 00:36:24,90 --> 00:36:29,27 close citizens and the council in assessing the city's true financial situation. 426 00:36:30,77 --> 00:36:32,55 Finally Well the city council has 427 00:36:32,56 --> 00:36:37,36 a number of citizen committees to help with its work conspicuous by its absence so 428 00:36:37,37 --> 00:36:42,03 Plans Committee the council may want to create such committee to assist with what 429 00:36:42,04 --> 00:36:47,09 is arguably its biggest most difficult job thank you thank you. 430 00:36:51,01 --> 00:36:51,77 Anybody else. 431 00:36:58,76 --> 00:37:03,92 We will move along to council comments. Customer seaman's I know you're on the 432 00:37:03,93 --> 00:37:10,45 phone do you have any comments on support yet thank you bear and no I just want to 433 00:37:10,46 --> 00:37:16,74 do well and then do what the. Letter community know that I. 434 00:37:19,18 --> 00:37:20,30 Have an operation on 435 00:37:20,32 --> 00:37:27,39 a. Quest with double bypass operation. And 436 00:37:27,39 --> 00:37:34,21 . I do blood bank everybody in my family friends and neighbors are there for 437 00:37:35,08 --> 00:37:41,68 prayer and all those many begin dinner but I think. I am all covered well. 438 00:37:43,18 --> 00:37:49,96 I'll be back in action and I do want to mention that I am. Not 439 00:37:49,97 --> 00:37:52,27 a meeting there and the M.L. 440 00:37:52,64 --> 00:37:57,80 OP and. The Weavers well under that being bought. 441 00:37:59,30 --> 00:38:05,71 But I'll gladly accept one back later bank robbery call and or 442 00:38:06,21 --> 00:38:12,58 barter or what I want to the program here I'm sure that I did 443 00:38:13,27 --> 00:38:18,49 I. Obviously wouldn't have been there when I was. 444 00:38:22,12 --> 00:38:28,35 It's good to have you participating in the meeting customer mail. Thank you Mr 445 00:38:28,36 --> 00:38:33,03 Mayor. I just wanted to speak in the alert the public as well as other council 446 00:38:33,04 --> 00:38:39,73 members and city staff about. The projects that are completing and more to its 447 00:38:40,07 --> 00:38:46,33 large water main replacement project has been going on for some time and project 448 00:38:46,46 --> 00:38:47,21 just suffered from 449 00:38:47,22 --> 00:38:54,10 a. History of. Really management failings. From just 450 00:38:54,11 --> 00:38:58,43 really sloppy work leaving large holes in sidewalks leaving asphalt loose asphalt 451 00:38:58,80 --> 00:39:05,16 all over sidewalks grassy margins and the road itself to very very low quality road 452 00:39:05,17 --> 00:39:11,67 patching to today when the WS He contractor had posted no 453 00:39:11,85 --> 00:39:15,83 parking signs on one street but decided to pave 454 00:39:15,87 --> 00:39:20,53 a different street where cars were parked and so told all the cars off of that 455 00:39:20,54 --> 00:39:21,87 street thankfully not to 456 00:39:21,88 --> 00:39:27,71 a lot. To other adjacent streets where you know residents were left to come home 457 00:39:27,72 --> 00:39:32,66 and wander around the neighborhood trying to find their cars. And I'm assuming that 458 00:39:32,67 --> 00:39:38,59 given the fears of projects in Ward three and another project and more sex. And you 459 00:39:38,60 --> 00:39:41,21 have the potential Well obviously you'll get Ws a C. 460 00:39:41,25 --> 00:39:45,84 As your as your your supervisor but quite likely will have some of the same 461 00:39:45,85 --> 00:39:51,10 contractors on site. Trying to detail the history of this project and then figure 462 00:39:51,11 --> 00:39:55,12 out how to. Get ahead of it is or is a probably 463 00:39:55,13 --> 00:40:00,80 a really important activity so I just wanted to alert. My colleagues to that and 464 00:40:01,07 --> 00:40:05,65 and I have found that there has been significant responsiveness when I elevate it 465 00:40:05,66 --> 00:40:10,11 all at the level of a commissioner or the general manager of us a C. 466 00:40:10,16 --> 00:40:14,36 But I should say there Braithwaite has been very helpful in reaching out to her 467 00:40:14,37 --> 00:40:19,28 contacts as well but it just shouldn't take going over the top every time for 468 00:40:19,60 --> 00:40:21,61 positive asphalt it's just 469 00:40:21,62 --> 00:40:27,86 a really poorly managed project Thank you you can in touch with risk and. Rice. 470 00:40:30,01 --> 00:40:36,97 Says. It comes from Richmond thank you very dippy city 471 00:40:36,98 --> 00:40:37,42 manager 472 00:40:37,43 --> 00:40:43,60 a lot would like to get an update on whether or not anyone. Did any research on the 473 00:40:43,61 --> 00:40:44,58 C.S.A. 474 00:40:44,58 --> 00:40:51,30 . With Mike Tabor and also. Bus shelters 475 00:40:51,34 --> 00:40:58,22 on flower of it. Emily Cohen is working on A C A A C S A 476 00:40:58,26 --> 00:41:01,92 he she may have contacted them today but she's had quite 477 00:41:01,93 --> 00:41:07,24 a lot of history with C S A's and so has been working on that with other staff on 478 00:41:07,28 --> 00:41:11,23 the bus shelter information we'll need to wait a couple days because I think of 479 00:41:11,24 --> 00:41:15,76 a meeting on Thursday after all to get all of the information on that I'll pass it 480 00:41:15,77 --> 00:41:20,67 along at that time OK thank you and mare I would like to put on 481 00:41:20,71 --> 00:41:27,07 a feature agenda I don't. Have in the count so re consider eminent domain. 482 00:41:28,41 --> 00:41:35,28 I think the. Previous Council said that this was not something that. The city 483 00:41:35,28 --> 00:41:38,23 should use but I think we've come to 484 00:41:38,24 --> 00:41:42,35 a point where. We need to really look at it as 485 00:41:42,37 --> 00:41:52,17 a potential policy. That 486 00:41:52,18 --> 00:41:58,36 said thank you. All First of all I want to watch. 487 00:41:59,59 --> 00:42:06,56 Say welcome to Terry I'm simply add that you're. Alive and Well hearing your 488 00:42:06,57 --> 00:42:11,58 voice come down from on high and made me grateful that I wasn't hearing listening 489 00:42:11,59 --> 00:42:18,25 to you speak from heaven. But it's sort of problem when we're so the sooner you get 490 00:42:18,26 --> 00:42:23,96 back you're the happier all the wall Betty. Well. 491 00:42:25,06 --> 00:42:31,92 All kidding aside what you went through was more Oculus. So I'm where 492 00:42:32,00 --> 00:42:37,93 I'm really glad and so are we all. May twenty second. 493 00:42:39,09 --> 00:42:40,47 I was able to hold 494 00:42:40,48 --> 00:42:46,92 a community meeting for the residents and businesses in the area in the far corner 495 00:42:46,93 --> 00:42:47,92 of the city of the come 496 00:42:47,93 --> 00:42:54,55 a park on the west side East Side of New Hampshire Avenue on streets named 497 00:42:54,56 --> 00:43:01,43 Catalan Hopewell and part of larch Avenue east west highway street 498 00:43:01,44 --> 00:43:06,81 names that most people in Tacoma Park probably never heard of and will never use 499 00:43:07,29 --> 00:43:12,34 but there's a. Group of residents over there we had 500 00:43:12,35 --> 00:43:17,89 a very successful meeting that met at the Methodist church on New Hampshire Avenue 501 00:43:18,29 --> 00:43:25,14 the police chief attended and was his presence was very 502 00:43:25,15 --> 00:43:31,64 gratifying to the residents. Del Braithwaite also attended an aircon Osberg 503 00:43:32,00 --> 00:43:35,35 spent some time talking about the Ethan Allen Gateway project 504 00:43:35,36 --> 00:43:41,91 a number of issues were surfaced that need to be addressed as I knew there would be 505 00:43:42,21 --> 00:43:48,40 but the point was was to get people together as a community for once and give them 506 00:43:48,41 --> 00:43:54,91 a chance to talk to the people hope run this city and get questions answered and 507 00:43:54,92 --> 00:43:58,84 raise raised their concerns and so it was the beginning of 508 00:43:58,85 --> 00:44:05,21 a process but I'm excited was excited to be part of and will be continuing to walk 509 00:44:05,50 --> 00:44:10,62 work on issues that that cute that group of residents and some business owners have 510 00:44:10,63 --> 00:44:17,57 raised. And I just want to do to to to mention. That that was an important 511 00:44:17,88 --> 00:44:24,48 step in trying to help. Take care of constituents and that was my only comment 512 00:44:24,54 --> 00:44:30,71 thank you. Cuss whatever mail has another call you just briefly following up on 513 00:44:30,80 --> 00:44:35,04 a council member Smith's comment I had earlier expressed interest in talking about 514 00:44:35,04 --> 00:44:38,07 . The option for the city to establish 515 00:44:38,11 --> 00:44:44,14 a blighted property tax rate and he just wanted to remind the mayor of. My interest 516 00:44:44,15 --> 00:44:47,97 in least and I don't know about colleagues in. And try to figure out if there's 517 00:44:47,98 --> 00:44:53,68 thing we can do to to do better address blighted properties abandoned derelict 518 00:44:54,10 --> 00:44:58,20 falling apart homes. That are in our storage district or other parts of the City 519 00:44:58,30 --> 00:45:00,64 thank you. And just 520 00:45:00,65 --> 00:45:05,63 a reminder that we we retain the ability to set different tax rates for different 521 00:45:05,64 --> 00:45:10,28 classes of property there was an attempt to bring the legislature the last session 522 00:45:10,63 --> 00:45:15,70 to remove the ability of Minnesota Law You mess with municipalities to do that but 523 00:45:15,71 --> 00:45:22,34 we still have that ability I don't see anything else I don't have and I 524 00:45:22,35 --> 00:45:26,10 things will go to city managers are going. To their. 525 00:45:30,66 --> 00:45:35,77 Mind. Set. 526 00:45:39,40 --> 00:45:41,70 Like your mom. Read by 527 00:45:41,71 --> 00:45:49,67 a friend. Or or going. Working 528 00:45:49,85 --> 00:45:54,63 Yes working there they. Are Again you have a meeting 529 00:45:54,64 --> 00:46:00,90 a public hearing next week next Monday on the location for the dog parks 530 00:46:01,44 --> 00:46:06,58 following up on the meeting that we had last week we have put some information up 531 00:46:06,59 --> 00:46:10,08 on our Web site we'll continue to put some information up on our website we're also 532 00:46:10,09 --> 00:46:10,41 doing just 533 00:46:10,42 --> 00:46:15,82 a little bit of wiring around in particular two of the sites that I think from the 534 00:46:15,83 --> 00:46:19,44 staff side that we had discussed previously and some of the feedback we've heard 535 00:46:19,45 --> 00:46:22,87 from council the previous meetings in particular the Prince George's Avenue site 536 00:46:23,21 --> 00:46:27,96 and Hefner Park site which is right off of the Darwin Avenue parking lot and so we 537 00:46:27,97 --> 00:46:32,12 just wanted to again just mention that we'll be talking 538 00:46:32,13 --> 00:46:36,58 a little bit more about some cost and some locational analysis information next 539 00:46:36,59 --> 00:46:39,63 week but just wanted to put that placeholder out there 540 00:46:39,64 --> 00:46:46,59 a little bit next. We've got it happy to report 541 00:46:46,63 --> 00:46:48,48 we have been working 542 00:46:48,49 --> 00:46:53,53 a little bit on the summer youth employment program. We have had 543 00:46:53,54 --> 00:46:56,79 a in this in this auditorium we had 544 00:46:56,80 --> 00:47:00,90 a information session with. A couple of youth sort of 545 00:47:00,91 --> 00:47:06,05 a mini boot camp we had an interview training some professional skill development 546 00:47:06,89 --> 00:47:13,15 our application period has just ended and I believe we have about eleven or twelve 547 00:47:13,16 --> 00:47:16,76 applicants which again for a very small pilot program we think is 548 00:47:16,77 --> 00:47:21,40 a great turnout and so we're looking forward to the next steps which are going to 549 00:47:21,41 --> 00:47:26,92 be some interview rounds and then some some willing down of some some folks I'd 550 00:47:26,93 --> 00:47:30,56 just like to say thank you to the council members who also contribute in terms of 551 00:47:30,57 --> 00:47:34,40 getting the word out about summer youth program where we're very excited about 552 00:47:34,83 --> 00:47:38,56 kicking it off here very soon. We have 553 00:47:38,57 --> 00:47:41,92 a new bike map I think the housing community development office has just put 554 00:47:41,93 --> 00:47:42,25 together 555 00:47:42,26 --> 00:47:48,91 a new bike map which I believe is in your mailboxes if I'm not mistaken and I think 556 00:47:48,92 --> 00:47:53,19 will if it's not on the website it should be on the website soon it's got some 557 00:47:53,20 --> 00:47:58,18 depictions of bike lanes both current and future if I'm right or is it just current 558 00:47:59,47 --> 00:48:04,63 mostly current bike lanes and by bike share stations and so forth and so just 559 00:48:04,64 --> 00:48:06,43 encourage everyone to take 560 00:48:06,44 --> 00:48:10,48 a look at that and then just one more note from the housing community development 561 00:48:10,49 --> 00:48:15,28 folks we've got an extended medical leave of absence that's happened in our housing 562 00:48:15,29 --> 00:48:19,83 code enforcement temporary but just some of the wait times may be just 563 00:48:19,84 --> 00:48:25,59 a little bit longer while we continue to juggle some of the cases that we have 564 00:48:25,60 --> 00:48:29,55 until our temporary medical leave situations release itself but just want to 565 00:48:29,56 --> 00:48:36,53 mention that everybody thank you very much. This question with regard to the 566 00:48:36,54 --> 00:48:43,31 bike map it is is there any indication or sense 567 00:48:43,35 --> 00:48:50,21 or notion about when bike share might be able to be expanded into the four 568 00:48:50,90 --> 00:48:57,74 another regions of the city of Tacoma Park like Ward six. I mean if there is 569 00:48:57,79 --> 00:49:01,07 great if there's not that it's not just you know right now we've certainly been 570 00:49:01,08 --> 00:49:04,12 pushing for it we just don't know yet I don't know. 571 00:49:08,95 --> 00:49:13,29 Comes from yeah actually I just saw today I don't think it's to come apart but 572 00:49:13,30 --> 00:49:17,90 Montgomery County announced funding for something like six bikes or stations that 573 00:49:17,91 --> 00:49:24,50 might have been to be on that as well but for twenty sixteen of all times. I 574 00:49:24,77 --> 00:49:29,45 am. Just just noting this would be great I've mentioned this to the safe roadways 575 00:49:29,46 --> 00:49:34,00 committee if if we meaning the city safe roadways anyone else who cares can find 576 00:49:34,01 --> 00:49:38,22 ways to promote the bike share use especially given the statistics that I've seen 577 00:49:38,23 --> 00:49:42,69 for the stations in Tacoma Park for the station that is down Maple Avenue and 578 00:49:42,70 --> 00:49:48,06 Ritchie that would be great ways to promote use they could include perhaps 579 00:49:48,24 --> 00:49:53,62 subsidizing initial memberships for people in these neighborhoods be real cool and 580 00:49:53,63 --> 00:49:58,21 then in addition I've discussed with some people including city stuff and safe 581 00:49:58,22 --> 00:50:04,57 roadways if we could get to. The so called. Pavement markings for bicycles 582 00:50:05,01 --> 00:50:10,18 on Carroll Avenue as you go into old to call Ma where the current bike lane or 583 00:50:10,19 --> 00:50:15,56 pseudo bike lane at the curb and park and Columbia by the cheesecake place we can 584 00:50:15,57 --> 00:50:22,19 get them extended and course get on St Charles bike markings in other places as 585 00:50:22,20 --> 00:50:22,69 well that would be 586 00:50:22,70 --> 00:50:32,52 a roll call. In the other questions with. OK 587 00:50:33,49 --> 00:50:39,43 we'll move to our regular meeting agenda. And we have to wait it was the first was 588 00:50:39,44 --> 00:50:44,58 a for sure you weren't as many to come up or coach after. The course of management 589 00:50:44,59 --> 00:50:49,31 districts authorizing continuation of the home to come away with crossword C.D.'s 590 00:50:50,26 --> 00:50:50,61 this day. 591 00:50:57,23 --> 00:51:02,19 I wanted to point out or use some of the additions that were made since their 592 00:51:02,71 --> 00:51:08,06 conversation here to be carrying potential edits to the proposed ordinance and then 593 00:51:08,84 --> 00:51:15,05 unfortunately an update page numbers on this so if you'll bear with me moment you 594 00:51:15,06 --> 00:51:21,80 can turn to. Page five. And look at Section eight point 595 00:51:21,81 --> 00:51:25,93 three six point zero eight zero the board of directors. 596 00:51:28,88 --> 00:51:35,07 This is one change that we have made since the proposed proposed amendment was 597 00:51:35,08 --> 00:51:38,98 presented to the city council and this was done at the suggestion of council of the 598 00:51:38,99 --> 00:51:41,74 shots and was supported by the C.T.A. 599 00:51:41,75 --> 00:51:48,24 President and the executive director. If this ordinance is adopted by the Council 600 00:51:48,51 --> 00:51:52,46 it would increase the membership of the board of directors or perceived by an 601 00:51:52,47 --> 00:51:58,90 eleven up to eleven members right now it's currently ten. The reason for that is 602 00:51:58,91 --> 00:52:04,44 that I would provide an additional board member representing the expanded service 603 00:52:04,45 --> 00:52:10,44 area that has been closed by the sea so to suggest bumping up the overall 604 00:52:10,45 --> 00:52:15,65 membership of the board of directors to eleven people from ten and then expanding 605 00:52:15,66 --> 00:52:18,98 the number of area directors which represent 606 00:52:18,99 --> 00:52:22,30 a specific geographical area within the C.V.S. 607 00:52:22,31 --> 00:52:28,90 Service area from four to five with one of the new area director position 608 00:52:28,91 --> 00:52:33,38 being dedicated for the new group of property owners and businesses that would be 609 00:52:33,39 --> 00:52:40,31 added to the see. Some exams. If you turn 610 00:52:40,32 --> 00:52:41,83 actually page eight. 611 00:52:49,09 --> 00:52:55,22 And this is the section. Eight point three six point one one zero. 612 00:52:56,78 --> 00:53:01,50 We have added language allowing the city manager at his or her discretion and upon 613 00:53:01,51 --> 00:53:06,95 written request to the board of directors to assume responsibility for the billing 614 00:53:06,96 --> 00:53:13,09 and collection of license fees on behalf of the authority and recognizing that the 615 00:53:13,45 --> 00:53:13,95 C.T.A. 616 00:53:13,96 --> 00:53:18,14 Would then be responsible for any costs associated with that billing in the collection 617 00:53:18,62 --> 00:53:21,90 and that was at the request of the Council following our work session discussion 618 00:53:21,91 --> 00:53:28,28 and everything. And then the last changes that have been made to this 619 00:53:28,82 --> 00:53:34,43 that were not included in the original ordinance amendment or in the last page I've 620 00:53:34,44 --> 00:53:39,55 included a section. Requiring an annual reporting by the C.T.A. 621 00:53:39,56 --> 00:53:44,77 To the City Council in July of each year July was selected because the C.T.A. 622 00:53:44,78 --> 00:53:45,87 Like the city is on 623 00:53:45,88 --> 00:53:50,23 a calendar earth fiscal year so this would be at the beginning of their fiscal year 624 00:53:50,23 --> 00:53:56,97 . Giving them also the opportunity to present. Information or presentations to 625 00:53:56,98 --> 00:54:03,88 counsel as appropriate and then have. Added 626 00:54:03,89 --> 00:54:10,83 a section of the. Stylish is a specific sunset period for the C.T.A. 627 00:54:11,19 --> 00:54:12,93 And again this is tied to the C.B.S. 628 00:54:12,94 --> 00:54:19,28 Fiscal year and it would end on June thirtieth twenty twenty one at which point in 629 00:54:19,29 --> 00:54:23,96 time the council come back and revisit the ordinance again to see whether or not 630 00:54:23,97 --> 00:54:29,45 the C.D.'s wishes to continue its existence or if it needs to be in it or 631 00:54:30,03 --> 00:54:34,06 everything else is basically the same but there been some minor tweaks but nothing 632 00:54:34,07 --> 00:54:39,49 substantive. This would be the first reading it's 633 00:54:39,50 --> 00:54:42,69 a proved tonight its target was scheduled for 634 00:54:42,70 --> 00:54:47,30 a second reading on the twenty third of June and would go into effect on July first 635 00:54:47,34 --> 00:54:50,14 which again corresponds to the fiscal year with the C.D.A. 636 00:54:50,64 --> 00:54:55,74 And would facilitate their billing for the licensees. Tax cuts for us. 637 00:54:58,57 --> 00:55:02,99 There's the changes that you proposed or. More in 638 00:55:03,00 --> 00:55:08,80 a quarter from what I had but one think what we expected and that's great. Or do we 639 00:55:08,96 --> 00:55:14,99 want to make all or couple corrections which I think are just simple oversights. 640 00:55:16,38 --> 00:55:22,39 On the on the front of the work on the last the fourth and the last where. 641 00:55:24,01 --> 00:55:29,15 The very end of essence and desires to repeal the Tacoma called Pro provision for 642 00:55:29,16 --> 00:55:35,89 expiration. Should be struck yes we cut that earlier this evening so that will be 643 00:55:35,90 --> 00:55:42,76 adjusted for the final permit. And then on the. Streets I was 644 00:55:42,77 --> 00:55:48,98 page one for safety to brief. Reporters. 645 00:55:54,35 --> 00:56:01,23 Usually one two three. Six where are you have numbers one two 646 00:56:01,24 --> 00:56:08,14 three four and five describing various sections the work and I work in item 647 00:56:08,15 --> 00:56:14,96 three an item four should be changed to Kirk Kirk one I happen to know. 648 00:56:18,36 --> 00:56:25,03 Because Kennewick runs east and west and so skillfully Kirkland runs east and west 649 00:56:25,03 --> 00:56:28,16 . Kind of way and so there is a South of Kirkland 650 00:56:28,17 --> 00:56:33,36 a little north of Kirkland but kind of weird doesn't run east and west and so well 651 00:56:33,37 --> 00:56:39,81 go back and look at that again this it doesn't make any sense. And then lastly. 652 00:56:41,48 --> 00:56:47,46 Going back to pages two district boundaries this is just 653 00:56:47,47 --> 00:56:54,13 a suggestion. For the section A which describes the new 654 00:56:54,14 --> 00:57:01,05 area or as well as joining some of the older area it just seems to me 655 00:57:01,06 --> 00:57:08,03 if you took out all the East's and north and north and west side and Ses and just 656 00:57:08,04 --> 00:57:14,63 said sequence is bounded by the following streets you'd end up with us you need 657 00:57:14,67 --> 00:57:20,29 something that's a little easier to to comprehend because 658 00:57:20,30 --> 00:57:24,41 a lot of the streets don't run north and south east or west they're all kinds of 659 00:57:24,42 --> 00:57:29,97 angles people don't know which is north and south you sit there with 660 00:57:29,98 --> 00:57:34,77 a compass. That's just for it now that's 661 00:57:34,78 --> 00:57:39,74 a great sentence and doesn't change the meaning back and forth but. You could also 662 00:57:39,75 --> 00:57:45,31 divide that up into five sections and name each one here and after referred to as 663 00:57:45,35 --> 00:57:51,30 Area one during or after referred to Syria to in that allow you to eliminate all 664 00:57:51,31 --> 00:57:54,55 the language two pages later that's 665 00:57:54,83 --> 00:57:58,07 a sick helpful suggestion that you're welcome to ignore. 666 00:58:02,20 --> 00:58:07,56 That's all I have programs Thank you. When I run by you 667 00:58:07,57 --> 00:58:12,09 a one word change to one of the changes that you mentioned which is the hard graft 668 00:58:12,89 --> 00:58:19,30 section thirty six one time license fees the second sentence of paragraph she is 669 00:58:19,55 --> 00:58:23,73 the authority shall be charged for all expenses incurred by the city and billing 670 00:58:23,74 --> 00:58:29,37 and collecting license fees course that's contingent on so often the fees will be 671 00:58:29,38 --> 00:58:34,46 charged to the party that is late so the one word change I'd suggest is the 672 00:58:34,47 --> 00:58:38,19 authority shall be responsible for all expenses incurred if you think that would 673 00:58:38,20 --> 00:58:43,06 work but the point is to allow the authority to pass the expenses for collection 674 00:58:43,10 --> 00:58:48,65 onto the party that is late paying the fees if you think that would be acceptable 675 00:58:48,66 --> 00:58:52,96 and would do the trick to allow them to pass on the fees and those that change I 676 00:58:52,97 --> 00:58:56,96 can remember the city of. Responsible instead of charged. 677 00:59:00,13 --> 00:59:06,27 Customer. Thank you so under eight thirty six 678 00:59:06,99 --> 00:59:10,76 zero eight zero the board of directors officers they go through 679 00:59:10,77 --> 00:59:16,80 a section we I thought last week I had suggested and I had the mayor Ed 680 00:59:17,49 --> 00:59:21,89 counseling got an affirmative head nods with regard to eliminating this the 681 00:59:21,90 --> 00:59:26,76 specificity about each location each quadrant or each zone in which there would be 682 00:59:26,77 --> 00:59:33,34 a board member and simply saying in sorry one second. Simply saying 683 00:59:33,35 --> 00:59:39,79 essentially referred to the by laws. So instrumental will switching in this 684 00:59:39,80 --> 00:59:43,87 document. As it. Should be not more than 685 00:59:43,88 --> 00:59:49,46 a total of five very directors representing. Areas as provided for in the bylaws or 686 00:59:49,47 --> 00:59:55,00 areas of benefit. In the bylaws and they're just not laid out I mean I just from my 687 00:59:55,01 --> 00:59:58,27 perspective in simplifying our code I just don't see 688 00:59:58,28 --> 01:00:04,89 a reason for council to to to to get that far to the weeds assuming that the 689 01:00:04,90 --> 01:00:08,74 association would want all of its members to be represented on board and then it 690 01:00:08,75 --> 01:00:09,71 also addresses 691 01:00:10,27 --> 01:00:16,33 a council member Schultz's worry about the Kirkland vs whatever the street is. Or 692 01:00:16,34 --> 01:00:21,82 should I have missed that suggestion and based on the comments from council member 693 01:00:21,83 --> 01:00:23,81 shots it makes life sense of them. 694 01:00:28,77 --> 01:00:30,26 Coming I suggest that since we've had 695 01:00:30,27 --> 01:00:36,54 a number of potential changes to what we have in front of us that we call for 696 01:00:37,38 --> 01:00:44,26 clarity's sake this evening Oh move adoption of this as 697 01:00:44,31 --> 01:00:50,61 presented has written here and we'll have all of those pieces added in on second 698 01:00:50,62 --> 01:00:54,10 reading because if we're trying to say OK now let's go through and make sure we've 699 01:00:54,11 --> 01:00:56,80 got them all tonight it'll be 700 01:00:57,30 --> 01:01:00,63 a bit bored. Yes And then we might come up with something else and something else 701 01:01:00,98 --> 01:01:05,36 is broke with the city attorney about that possibility this evening and she said 702 01:01:05,37 --> 01:01:10,74 that that will work and what will happen is that in the text that'll show up as 703 01:01:10,75 --> 01:01:17,72 a different little different underlying story tellers try that yet. So that 704 01:01:17,73 --> 01:01:21,38 they'll all be called out at second rate so before you have 705 01:01:21,39 --> 01:01:26,26 a conversation about that. The changes have been proposed this evening or that for 706 01:01:26,27 --> 01:01:31,63 the district boundaries eliminating east west north south. Eliminating the specific 707 01:01:31,64 --> 01:01:37,34 reference triggering the area directors geographical areas. And adding. 708 01:01:39,74 --> 01:01:44,72 Using the word responsible for as opposed to charged the county expenses associated 709 01:01:44,73 --> 01:01:50,45 with the City question of license fees and late things and the striking of that 710 01:01:50,46 --> 01:01:55,74 last cover language of Last Word that you had already called the clearance last 711 01:01:55,75 --> 01:02:02,49 week. And and I think my suggestion is just the way to go 712 01:02:02,50 --> 01:02:07,09 because there's the potential for some of those to ripple into other areas and we 713 01:02:07,10 --> 01:02:12,30 don't want to be word smithing that ripple through the night. Council member 714 01:02:12,31 --> 01:02:17,08 seaman's I'm hearing noises from your microphone do you have any comments oh. 715 01:02:19,83 --> 01:02:26,08 No. OK. You know something. 716 01:02:28,06 --> 01:02:32,69 To somebody might want to move the ordinance I will move the ordinance so it's been 717 01:02:32,70 --> 01:02:38,96 moved by construction sector by cancer Smith the for the council discussion. OK 718 01:02:38,97 --> 01:02:45,26 it's first rate more natural than slavery please say aye. Customer Siemens but 719 01:02:45,60 --> 01:02:51,98 thank you OK that is unanimous the ceiling is for shooting and we'll see the only 720 01:02:51,99 --> 01:02:58,85 minutes that Secretary thank you. Next item is the consent agenda 721 01:02:58,86 --> 01:03:02,55 two items on the consent agenda both single reading ordinances want to wording 722 01:03:02,56 --> 01:03:06,16 a contract for Nike assessment the other awarding contracts for French or for 723 01:03:06,17 --> 01:03:10,97 community center green roof or something like Cooke and Senator. Probably move 724 01:03:10,98 --> 01:03:15,58 perhaps more seen as is their second second second by council member male it's 725 01:03:15,59 --> 01:03:17,29 single really born it's a small school need 726 01:03:17,30 --> 01:03:22,99 a roll call vote or preschool or all. Member grounds yes council member ma'am yes 727 01:03:23,20 --> 01:03:28,57 House member Stuart council member seaman's council member said yes that's member 728 01:03:28,58 --> 01:03:34,78 shots. One more. Oh. It would. 729 01:03:36,90 --> 01:03:43,23 Thank you but. I think I could've left it as an abstention. 730 01:03:46,15 --> 01:03:51,41 That passes unanimously we will now move to work session. 731 01:03:54,31 --> 01:03:57,40 We have two items the first one is discussion of resistance to the police 732 01:03:57,41 --> 01:04:01,63 department over here policy. Chief is here. 733 01:04:06,00 --> 01:04:12,84 The mayor and council just. Really. Be 734 01:04:12,99 --> 01:04:13,53 having 735 01:04:14,46 --> 01:04:19,12 a council discussion on May fifth regarding police recruitment and hiring policies 736 01:04:19,85 --> 01:04:24,31 including ordinance number two thousand and two thirty three which talks about the 737 01:04:24,32 --> 01:04:27,68 over hiring of police officers in particular we talked 738 01:04:27,69 --> 01:04:31,87 a little bit about I think the chief articulated some of the challenges in terms of 739 01:04:32,73 --> 01:04:39,28 medical an injury leave. Eligibility for retirement and the timeline for both hires 740 01:04:39,80 --> 01:04:44,51 of new police officers as well as even some of the. The lateral moves to do 741 01:04:44,52 --> 01:04:48,47 background checks and so forth that have to happen from that discussion we went 742 01:04:48,48 --> 01:04:49,92 back and and took a look at 743 01:04:49,93 --> 01:04:56,21 a few metrics particularly around the budget which are presented in the 744 01:04:56,77 --> 01:05:01,25 memo here to see if there were any potential changes that needed to happen that we 745 01:05:01,26 --> 01:05:06,81 would potentially propose to the to the ordinance and in your package you've got 746 01:05:07,49 --> 01:05:13,68 just some of the changes that we are. Potentially proposing with the biggest one 747 01:05:14,33 --> 01:05:16,94 really being that we provided 748 01:05:16,95 --> 01:05:23,82 a few instances where we think. That we've either experiences Sturrock 749 01:05:23,83 --> 01:05:30,25 Lee in terms of challenges which Me reform or to the people who are eligible to 750 01:05:30,26 --> 01:05:32,33 retire but just wanted to provide 751 01:05:32,34 --> 01:05:37,65 a little bit more flexibility I think in terms of situations that can arise and 752 01:05:38,03 --> 01:05:42,70 opportunities we would have to potentially hire different additional officers to 753 01:05:42,71 --> 01:05:46,82 make sure that we have the maximum number of of of officers on the street as 754 01:05:46,83 --> 01:05:51,01 possible so with that I don't know if the chief has anything else to add you know 755 01:05:51,02 --> 01:05:57,17 just. As I've said before the previous warden is really were. 756 01:06:00,52 --> 01:06:06,11 Unusable in its form because we're almost as you can see only on the worksheet that 757 01:06:06,12 --> 01:06:11,68 we're very rarely. That far in your budget and we don't get that much salary 758 01:06:11,69 --> 01:06:17,67 savings so that we would not necessarily come in. At the budget level 759 01:06:18,54 --> 01:06:25,30 for over hires under the old the old of. Ward And so what we're proposing is 760 01:06:25,31 --> 01:06:26,96 that and when we get to 761 01:06:26,97 --> 01:06:32,44 a level of we have individuals not just you some examples we had in the past 762 01:06:32,86 --> 01:06:38,38 several people that were on light duty that we knew would not be coming back but 763 01:06:38,97 --> 01:06:39,82 had probably 764 01:06:39,83 --> 01:06:43,93 a year left to go to retire we've had people that were on medical that we knew were 765 01:06:43,94 --> 01:06:48,30 not coming back but they have to go through that process through retirement through 766 01:06:48,31 --> 01:06:52,28 worker's comp things like that that we know they are not coming back on the street 767 01:06:52,29 --> 01:06:57,90 but yet we can start the hiring process. Before that this would allow us to do that 768 01:06:58,39 --> 01:07:01,98 in effect and make those coverages also if somebody gives us notice that they're 769 01:07:01,99 --> 01:07:06,53 going to retire and six months we could start the hiring process ahead of time 770 01:07:07,36 --> 01:07:10,18 General we would I think we'll probably be you know this is going to be 771 01:07:10,19 --> 01:07:15,56 a very judicious use but I think we'll be coming in at budget but it could go over 772 01:07:15,57 --> 01:07:16,12 budget just 773 01:07:16,13 --> 01:07:19,41 a little bit at the end of the year really depends on how our staffing goes you 774 01:07:19,42 --> 01:07:22,93 know their workers' comp injuries than two thirds of the salaries paid by workers 775 01:07:22,94 --> 01:07:26,96 comp not by the city so there's some savings there. You know sort of 776 01:07:26,97 --> 01:07:32,06 a crapshoot. And you think that. 777 01:07:34,07 --> 01:07:36,37 There there isn't going to be too much of 778 01:07:36,38 --> 01:07:40,36 a budgetary impact of trying to figure out the difference between Under the current 779 01:07:40,37 --> 01:07:46,74 policy it sounds like maybe the issue was not the money but it was 780 01:07:47,19 --> 01:07:50,10 kind of holding off on starting the process and therefore 781 01:07:50,11 --> 01:07:55,36 a timing issue Well yes and no I mean it it really was money because the fact is 782 01:07:55,37 --> 01:08:01,05 that if we hired somebody and then we go over budget then it was 783 01:08:01,06 --> 01:08:04,28 a violation of the ordinance the ordinance did not allow us to come back to you and 784 01:08:04,29 --> 01:08:10,45 explain we had to hire this person early. Because the ordinance was very specific 785 01:08:10,46 --> 01:08:10,83 this as 786 01:08:10,84 --> 01:08:13,88 a you could hire as many people I could hire twenty people under the old ordinance 787 01:08:13,89 --> 01:08:18,91 as long as I came in under budget or at budget so which obviously is not going to 788 01:08:18,92 --> 01:08:22,97 happen this allows us to start the process if we know somebody is going to be 789 01:08:22,98 --> 01:08:26,05 leaving within the next couple of months six months we can go ahead and start the 790 01:08:26,06 --> 01:08:29,98 process we may go slightly over budget you know we have to hire them early but it's 791 01:08:29,99 --> 01:08:33,90 also one way to get somebody get them through an academy because we're also at the 792 01:08:33,91 --> 01:08:39,13 mercy of the state and the other jurisdictions for not just the competition for 793 01:08:39,17 --> 01:08:44,64 employment but we have ten laterals in the pipeline right now that we're looking at 794 01:08:45,63 --> 01:08:48,67 but there is you know half of them are from out of state which means that they have 795 01:08:48,68 --> 01:08:48,92 to go to 796 01:08:48,93 --> 01:08:53,14 a comparative compliance class well guess what the state and all the other municipal 797 01:08:53,15 --> 01:08:56,71 academies that run comparative compliance aren't doing another class this year 798 01:08:57,14 --> 01:09:01,43 they've already done their class for the years so we can't really you know hire 799 01:09:01,44 --> 01:09:06,22 them right away so the other thing is we have three slots right now that are that 800 01:09:06,23 --> 01:09:09,84 are allotted to us in the next month Emery County class but that doesn't start to 801 01:09:09,85 --> 01:09:13,56 October first so we have to start the hiring process now to make sure that we can 802 01:09:13,57 --> 01:09:16,52 get those three people filled if we have 803 01:09:17,11 --> 01:09:22,90 a situation to get them on board so we are sometimes at the mercy of other agencies 804 01:09:22,91 --> 01:09:27,52 the academies in order to get these people trained we need to hire them earlier 805 01:09:27,95 --> 01:09:30,80 than them so that so the differ. It says it gives you 806 01:09:30,81 --> 01:09:33,86 a level of confidence that you can start somebody and have 807 01:09:33,87 --> 01:09:38,02 a little bit of flexibility on the timing for the vagaries that you've just 808 01:09:38,03 --> 01:09:43,51 described and knowing that you can go ahead and get involved in this process and if 809 01:09:43,52 --> 01:09:46,32 it does take you a little bit over you'll have the ability to come back with 810 01:09:46,33 --> 01:09:50,79 a bunch of the correct and then and then again at the end of that fiscal year we 811 01:09:50,80 --> 01:09:56,61 can look at. You know we do the budget amendment obviously if we have to but that 812 01:09:56,62 --> 01:10:00,28 position which would be you know eliminate if we go to forty three just for on 813 01:10:00,29 --> 01:10:04,62 paper forty three because we wouldn't have the person here the reality is that 814 01:10:04,63 --> 01:10:10,40 through attrition it'll go back down to that level of the next next opportunity so 815 01:10:10,66 --> 01:10:16,05 there's there needs to be something to do we have something in place now or would 816 01:10:16,06 --> 01:10:19,63 we need to be something that would address the F.T.'s or that would be part of the 817 01:10:19,64 --> 01:10:22,68 but you know that would I think that would be part of the budget amendment I don't 818 01:10:22,69 --> 01:10:26,69 think we want to be tied into that you know let's say we have two people that we 819 01:10:26,70 --> 01:10:30,48 know aren't coming back I mean I don't want to get tied into F.T.'s we just were at 820 01:10:30,49 --> 01:10:31,37 our current F.T. 821 01:10:31,38 --> 01:10:36,37 Level I think that the ordinance allows us to get the process started to hire those 822 01:10:36,38 --> 01:10:40,86 people even though if it goes over those that forty to fifty and then we come back 823 01:10:40,87 --> 01:10:44,75 at the end of the year and it will be reconciled there I think the intent is to. 824 01:10:45,96 --> 01:10:49,92 You know the council's been pretty clear that in the in from the staff side that 825 01:10:50,22 --> 01:10:54,28 forty two sworn officers is what we're trying to that's the number we're trying to 826 01:10:54,29 --> 01:10:58,76 get to and so there may be some situations where we have two officers as an example 827 01:10:58,77 --> 01:11:02,90 Brad are out for an extended period time because of medical leave for whatever and 828 01:11:02,91 --> 01:11:04,20 that case I think there may be 829 01:11:04,21 --> 01:11:07,50 a suggestion you know to the council that we may want to hire begin the hiring 830 01:11:07,51 --> 01:11:13,18 process for two people at maybe one person depending upon. Retirement or so forth 831 01:11:13,19 --> 01:11:16,57 but I think the number where effectively trying to solve force forty two trying to 832 01:11:16,58 --> 01:11:21,21 keep forty two on the street is as close as possible. Basically we're trying to get 833 01:11:21,22 --> 01:11:26,56 ahead of the curve versus always always playing catch up and you know again we have 834 01:11:26,57 --> 01:11:28,28 to get people through an academy or through 835 01:11:28,29 --> 01:11:33,69 a training program in the hiring process and we don't pick the Academy days that's 836 01:11:33,70 --> 01:11:37,41 basically what it comes out to so we could could actually be eighteen months behind 837 01:11:37,42 --> 01:11:42,77 in the hiring process depending on our timing so this will allow us to get ahead of 838 01:11:42,78 --> 01:11:47,80 that until support the opening and to support the training opportunity and get 839 01:11:47,81 --> 01:11:53,76 those people on board and train if any part of the part of the point here is you 840 01:11:53,77 --> 01:11:58,06 know in the proposed ordinance talks about communication between the city manager 841 01:11:58,07 --> 01:12:03,45 and the council as these various and situations arise and so I think that it. 842 01:12:05,22 --> 01:12:10,45 It allows us. Things to begin without having to go through an ordinance with 843 01:12:10,46 --> 01:12:13,95 a budget amendment with changing it to ease and what that might mean for future 844 01:12:13,96 --> 01:12:18,30 years you know it just allows some flexibility within 845 01:12:18,31 --> 01:12:22,88 a couple months period and it always gives the council the final say via budget 846 01:12:22,89 --> 01:12:29,27 amendment if it were to affect the budget. Cuts were seen as I know you wanted to 847 01:12:30,06 --> 01:12:36,42 speak out especially if that you oh you know the while that may or the wall that 848 01:12:36,43 --> 01:12:42,91 I've been on the council. At Look at that. 849 01:12:45,85 --> 01:12:48,24 And buckle. Up. 850 01:12:54,73 --> 01:12:58,96 Well. What. 851 01:13:01,58 --> 01:13:04,69 Is. It that the. 852 01:13:09,91 --> 01:13:14,18 Thing that big. One. 853 01:13:17,55 --> 01:13:19,43 But if I get it right. 854 01:13:28,38 --> 01:13:34,44 I'm. In. It for ever. 855 01:13:40,72 --> 01:13:47,43 But I'll put it in the car council member same answer if you can try 856 01:13:47,68 --> 01:13:52,72 adjusting how you're talking into the phone or something because it's very 857 01:13:52,73 --> 01:13:55,20 difficult to follow what you're saying if you've got the T.V. 858 01:13:55,21 --> 01:14:02,16 On when you turn the volume down. And there you go. I've been watching walking 859 01:14:02,17 --> 01:14:08,10 into the bar and. I'm going to go back and say that. 860 01:14:09,15 --> 01:14:09,68 You know there's been 861 01:14:09,69 --> 01:14:16,17 a long standing problem oh we thought that if you want that we have more than 862 01:14:16,78 --> 01:14:23,11 I expected. But. You're on the end of the phone again. 863 01:14:24,89 --> 01:14:25,36 We've got 864 01:14:25,93 --> 01:14:29,76 a stormy day let me just get it by plane I want to get born dead but I thank you 865 01:14:30,26 --> 01:14:36,90 very much. What any of my 866 01:14:36,91 --> 01:14:38,63 colleagues like to go on that same phone. 867 01:14:44,50 --> 01:14:51,29 Counselor Schultz. Well. To two comments 868 01:14:51,61 --> 01:14:54,65 one is that. Seems to me makes 869 01:14:54,66 --> 01:15:00,89 a lot of sense to be able to exceed our budget and an orderly way to 870 01:15:01,62 --> 01:15:08,03 live and temporarily. For the support this purpose it's just so important to be 871 01:15:08,04 --> 01:15:14,88 able to keep our all sworn staff on the street where the bomb the other 872 01:15:14,89 --> 01:15:21,31 thing. And curse how does it it's the situation when you have officers 873 01:15:21,85 --> 01:15:27,32 on administrative leave who for example like where they've had to use their weapon 874 01:15:27,41 --> 01:15:30,32 we had that had a couple incidents or 875 01:15:30,33 --> 01:15:35,59 a time when the city council where officers were not allowed to be on the street 876 01:15:36,18 --> 01:15:37,39 because they were involved 877 01:15:37,40 --> 01:15:42,76 a grand jury follow up investigations that took an eternity do with this this 878 01:15:42,77 --> 01:15:49,00 wouldn't be have any effect on that what it it it could put attention we could use 879 01:15:49,01 --> 01:15:53,58 it to fill the position as long as we knew at the end of that year somebody else 880 01:15:53,59 --> 01:15:58,26 was leaving. But they weren't leaving for that year that year I mean we may have to 881 01:15:58,27 --> 01:16:02,83 go over because in fact we did we had three officers involved that are the sits up 882 01:16:02,84 --> 01:16:09,25 for that fired at the the bag shooting camera one. I was there but I was wearing 883 01:16:09,26 --> 01:16:14,98 a different color patch. And three officers were involved in that and three 884 01:16:14,99 --> 01:16:19,49 officers were on administrative leave so we've had we had two officers involved in 885 01:16:19,50 --> 01:16:24,02 the other incident Prince George's County unfortunately the grand jury process of 886 01:16:24,03 --> 01:16:25,02 Prince George's County took 887 01:16:25,03 --> 01:16:30,03 a lot longer than it did in Montgomery County and those officers wrongful work for 888 01:16:30,18 --> 01:16:30,70 well over 889 01:16:30,71 --> 01:16:35,96 a year one retired and the one stayed on light duty put other year in and retired 890 01:16:36,00 --> 01:16:42,46 so. You know we had lost Walter for two years so yeah I mean it could potentially 891 01:16:42,47 --> 01:16:46,65 be used to fill something where we know long term the person is not coming back or 892 01:16:46,66 --> 01:16:50,94 they're not able to come back right OK but obvious is going to be sometimes when 893 01:16:50,95 --> 01:16:56,75 you just even the officer him or herself isn't going to be able to know that's like 894 01:16:56,90 --> 01:17:00,05 yeah and that's where you know the discussion is going to have to take place 895 01:17:00,06 --> 01:17:06,47 between the city manager myself and then the eventually to the council OK this is 896 01:17:06,48 --> 01:17:10,34 where we're at but at this point you know it's going to be on 897 01:17:10,35 --> 01:17:16,28 a case by case basis yes thank you cross over mail. 898 01:17:18,27 --> 01:17:23,14 Thank you Mr Mayor so I've said before I you know I fully support trying to make 899 01:17:23,15 --> 01:17:27,14 this into a functional part of our city policy. I have 900 01:17:27,15 --> 01:17:32,31 a couple of specific concerns though and they really relate to I guess my just my 901 01:17:32,32 --> 01:17:36,96 fears about creep so we get another one and then how does that manifest itself when 902 01:17:36,97 --> 01:17:41,82 we get to the next budget process my specific suggestions here we have this last 903 01:17:41,83 --> 01:17:45,54 whereas clause that describes conditions under which 904 01:17:45,55 --> 01:17:49,83 a criteria under which the city manager is is is potentially going to use 905 01:17:49,84 --> 01:17:56,05 a trigger for decision. I would move most of those the opening the city manager is 906 01:17:56,06 --> 01:17:59,30 able to identify occasions or thresholds that should trigger beginning the hiring 907 01:17:59,31 --> 01:18:04,13 process leave that as aware as but turn the remainder of that into their four 908 01:18:04,58 --> 01:18:11,57 Therefore when you know following criteria are met. The city manager you know 909 01:18:11,58 --> 01:18:17,12 can well whatever the right word is can can initiate the process Similarly for the 910 01:18:17,13 --> 01:18:23,43 first. Therefore clause here what we say in the current therefore is the city 911 01:18:23,44 --> 01:18:28,59 manager is authorized to hire police officers above the number authorized to ensure 912 01:18:28,60 --> 01:18:31,63 the operating strength of the police department is adequate to meet public safety 913 01:18:31,64 --> 01:18:35,00 demands to me that's just too broad adequate is is 914 01:18:35,01 --> 01:18:40,79 a very subjective word. And I would just rather have that be aware as close. 915 01:18:42,28 --> 01:18:46,65 That's almost the opening right the whole point of this is that it's we're trying 916 01:18:46,66 --> 01:18:50,97 to make sure we can meet public safety demands so to me essentially what I'm 917 01:18:51,03 --> 01:18:51,51 talking as 918 01:18:51,52 --> 01:18:54,98 a sort of reversing those two around although I find I find that particular 919 01:18:54,99 --> 01:18:59,52 narrative to be one of the opening reason so I would put it in the top and then my 920 01:18:59,53 --> 01:19:03,67 third criteria. First request for information and then 921 01:19:03,68 --> 01:19:09,96 a suggestion around this like this language. I don't know what the limits are in 922 01:19:09,97 --> 01:19:13,16 terms of legal limits or otherwise for 923 01:19:13,20 --> 01:19:19,59 a city to have more officers on than we have authorized lefties. You know can you 924 01:19:19,60 --> 01:19:22,29 do that can you have forty three when you only have forty two authorizing 925 01:19:22,30 --> 01:19:27,37 a budget I would assume that you you can there's nothing that you know. Run when 926 01:19:27,38 --> 01:19:32,04 you go to jail now and I think the prior ordinance actually you know who's going to 927 01:19:32,05 --> 01:19:38,69 lock them up. I mean. There were no understanding with the 928 01:19:38,70 --> 01:19:45,10 district you know well that don't hold your breath. Actually that's still moving 929 01:19:45,11 --> 01:19:50,12 forward but I wonder if you know I I think that the other wardens actually already 930 01:19:50,13 --> 01:19:54,31 authorized that because if you don't have forty two you have to. It's to let you go 931 01:19:54,32 --> 01:19:59,65 to forty three Vienneau you state on your budget so it's this just allows us to go 932 01:19:59,69 --> 01:20:04,39 back and say we're doing the same thing it's just we may have to come in and do 933 01:20:04,40 --> 01:20:09,80 a budget amendment and we can look past it just to make sure and specifically 934 01:20:09,84 --> 01:20:15,14 assuming that we can do that what I'd want in the in there for clauses is something 935 01:20:15,15 --> 01:20:21,21 that says how that will work itself out in policy so you know therefore. When an 936 01:20:21,22 --> 01:20:22,38 additional F. T. 937 01:20:22,42 --> 01:20:27,13 Is hired above the authorized number you know that shall not change the F.T.E. 938 01:20:27,14 --> 01:20:31,39 Number in that in the following budget or something like that so just clarifies 939 01:20:31,40 --> 01:20:34,81 this the policy the city manager is going to pursue in developing the next budget 940 01:20:35,13 --> 01:20:38,96 with regard to the rare circumstance where we get to forty three or forty four 941 01:20:38,97 --> 01:20:43,81 whatever the number is you know and that that shift has not happened at the time to 942 01:20:43,82 --> 01:20:49,30 that of the budget process their budget process goes on so long because the idea of 943 01:20:49,31 --> 01:20:52,61 some of these over hires you know which actually could be 944 01:20:52,62 --> 01:20:55,96 a longer time or we have to have an extra person in 945 01:20:55,97 --> 01:21:00,73 a spot well and then maybe you would call it you know the over hire you know but 946 01:21:00,74 --> 01:21:06,06 the authorized would still be. He went to however be reduced by attrition at the 947 01:21:06,07 --> 01:21:09,22 earliest convenience or something yet it's just something that clarifies that we 948 01:21:09,38 --> 01:21:15,46 would be would be helpful to me thank you. And there if I can just add to customer 949 01:21:15,47 --> 01:21:19,55 mails comments that I think I tend to agree with them on the switching of the where 950 01:21:19,56 --> 01:21:25,49 as in the Air Force but the one question that. That brings up for me is I had 951 01:21:25,50 --> 01:21:30,17 already kind of underlined the area of the very end of what's currently the last 952 01:21:30,18 --> 01:21:36,16 whereas wondering whether we wanted to have been there all of these various various 953 01:21:36,17 --> 01:21:41,63 criteria that would trigger the hiring process and then at the end say other 954 01:21:41,64 --> 01:21:47,92 similar criteria I thought I'm not sure I want that in there. And if we certainly 955 01:21:47,93 --> 01:21:53,75 certainly don't want to be in there if we make that therefore where is the customer 956 01:21:53,76 --> 01:22:00,18 Graham's. Thanks thanks. What would you and Councilman remailed have said seemed 957 01:22:00,19 --> 01:22:03,90 fine my comments are just two quick ones that we do have 958 01:22:04,69 --> 01:22:09,95 a percentage of personal budget expended in the last few years that neither the 959 01:22:09,96 --> 01:22:13,88 past ordinance from two thousand and two nor the proposed one are based on 960 01:22:13,94 --> 01:22:18,22 expenditures they're based on number of authorized positions but this does raise 961 01:22:18,23 --> 01:22:22,38 the question given that we exceeded the personal budget in two of the last six 962 01:22:22,39 --> 01:22:26,59 years and came very close in the other four whether the personal budget has been 963 01:22:26,60 --> 01:22:31,11 adequate for the number of authorized positions that would be both sworn officers 964 01:22:31,51 --> 01:22:38,18 and non sworn positions so perhaps the things we've 965 01:22:38,31 --> 01:22:41,57 passed the budget for the next fiscal year but for the one after that consider 966 01:22:41,58 --> 01:22:46,21 whether. The actual budget amounts correspond to the personnel that were 967 01:22:46,22 --> 01:22:49,77 authorizing that and I'll be honest 968 01:22:49,78 --> 01:22:55,55 a reason whenever I can only. Guess at this point because that's before my time but 969 01:22:56,02 --> 01:22:59,08 there were shortages those were when the shootings took place and that's when you 970 01:22:59,09 --> 01:23:03,02 had a lot of people off so there was probably some overtime expenditures just 971 01:23:03,03 --> 01:23:09,87 a guess sounds very. Comes from SMITH Thank you Chief I do 972 01:23:09,88 --> 01:23:14,72 support your proposal and I think it's so. It's great that your kid now head of the 973 01:23:14,73 --> 01:23:21,71 curve and trying to fix this problem. What does it usually cost for the 974 01:23:21,72 --> 01:23:28,72 pre-employment of an officer when you're looking to see if we need to fill 975 01:23:28,73 --> 01:23:34,47 this position you're going out put now. Ads or you know you're talking to other 976 01:23:34,48 --> 01:23:35,71 agencies is there 977 01:23:35,72 --> 01:23:42,65 a number like twenty five thousand and five No I mean the background investigations 978 01:23:42,66 --> 01:23:46,01 we do in-house we don't have to perform it out of the physicals are about 979 01:23:46,02 --> 01:23:46,89 a thousand dollars 980 01:23:46,90 --> 01:23:51,45 a polygraphs another thousand or so so you know I would say it's in the three or 981 01:23:51,46 --> 01:23:57,54 four thousand dollar range staffing wise. You know we bring people in over time to 982 01:23:57,55 --> 01:24:00,58 do the testing we do the testing in-house which by the testing from 983 01:24:00,59 --> 01:24:07,40 a certified. Personnel company that so we don't have to do our own tests and 984 01:24:07,41 --> 01:24:11,92 certified right so I mean but everything's pretty much done in-house now to equip 985 01:24:11,93 --> 01:24:15,99 the officer and to get them you know ready by the time the class starts let's say 986 01:24:16,46 --> 01:24:20,92 we're going to put three in this next class and you know Tobar now we have to equip 987 01:24:20,93 --> 01:24:24,83 them and that runs in the you know number for five thousand dollars apiece for all 988 01:24:24,84 --> 01:24:28,91 the equipment that they have to uniforms things like that but and we don't move on 989 01:24:28,92 --> 01:24:34,23 like you know major department that has you know Quartermaster Corps and warehouse 990 01:24:34,24 --> 01:24:38,14 full of uniforms we have to order those things and get those things in advance of 991 01:24:38,15 --> 01:24:42,11 them starting work so. In fifty you foresee 992 01:24:42,12 --> 01:24:46,17 a budget amendment for those type of things I don't know I think we worked it into 993 01:24:46,18 --> 01:24:51,18 the budget for this year and for the remainder of this year for the hiring that 994 01:24:51,23 --> 01:24:56,59 we're going to be able to to stay within budget this year and as far as those items 995 01:24:57,60 --> 01:25:01,47 for the any new people we hire between now and July that we do have openings and 996 01:25:01,48 --> 01:25:05,26 then next year we've already budget in there OK All right thank you. 997 01:25:09,64 --> 01:25:14,97 Everybody else seventy two tional comments are we ready to summarize this one. Make 998 01:25:14,98 --> 01:25:18,58 sure we can go forward with access like there's agreement that we want to do this 999 01:25:18,90 --> 01:25:22,93 sounds like there's agreement that we want to flip the The whereas in the they're 1000 01:25:22,94 --> 01:25:28,61 for the last whereas of the first therefore and remove the Final Four words from 1001 01:25:28,62 --> 01:25:32,98 what's currently the west we're just going to leave it for other similar criteria 1002 01:25:33,53 --> 01:25:40,49 for the other changes that you don. Just. To try to add some additional 1003 01:25:40,50 --> 01:25:44,87 weight was just really clear for males comment to try to clarify the there's any 1004 01:25:44,88 --> 01:25:49,58 policy especially as relates to what happens in the next fiscal year as relates to 1005 01:25:49,59 --> 01:25:51,24 F.T.S. Right and also just to do 1006 01:25:51,25 --> 01:25:56,60 a quick legal review of just to make sure that we can actually do that OK. One went 1007 01:25:57,35 --> 01:26:00,18 into the in that final whereas for there's 1008 01:26:00,19 --> 01:26:04,73 a number of criteria these were kind of off the top of our heads and so if you want 1009 01:26:04,74 --> 01:26:11,09 to add some we may want to if that is up in being something that's very you know 1010 01:26:11,72 --> 01:26:16,49 put into their four categories if it is more reason to suppose that neither of 1011 01:26:16,50 --> 01:26:22,25 those two examples that would come to you we may want to see if this is accurate in 1012 01:26:22,26 --> 01:26:27,10 our best judgment or if the police department or others feel that there should be 1013 01:26:27,11 --> 01:26:34,06 some other criteria. I'm assuming that is reasonably. OK so there's 1014 01:26:34,07 --> 01:26:40,82 agreement on that. OK So it sounds like. You're welcome back to this. 1015 01:26:41,88 --> 01:26:42,28 For 1016 01:26:42,29 --> 01:26:49,04 a voting item in. A relatively short period of time. So we'll put that 1017 01:26:49,05 --> 01:26:55,64 on gender as soon as it's ready as soon as it's had the legal review that. OK Thank 1018 01:26:55,65 --> 01:27:01,25 you. Oh we have one remaining I know. People want to take 1019 01:27:01,26 --> 01:27:07,25 a short break or just to the last item to us that. People on the Diaspora want to 1020 01:27:07,26 --> 01:27:07,76 just take 1021 01:27:07,77 --> 01:27:14,71 a break or do the list that. Whole right we will give the last item I want to 1022 01:27:14,81 --> 01:27:18,98 carry. Oh you think anybody will think. 1023 01:27:22,39 --> 01:27:28,76 He's your slut if you're just lies there not to said. OK. 1024 01:27:29,93 --> 01:27:31,66 Last time it was a discussion of the woman 1025 01:27:31,67 --> 01:27:37,83 a compact hearing. What I wanted to do was to. Give us 1026 01:27:37,84 --> 01:27:44,61 a chance to kind of catch up with where things 1027 01:27:44,62 --> 01:27:51,05 are now if there's been any changes give the council an opportunity to consider how 1028 01:27:51,06 --> 01:27:54,88 we want to participate in the compact hearing my sumption is that we want to that 1029 01:27:54,89 --> 01:28:01,03 we want to testify we have the past resolution or resolutions that the city has 1030 01:28:01,38 --> 01:28:08,03 passed that are the guidance for our feelings on this wanting to make sure that if 1031 01:28:08,04 --> 01:28:11,35 there's anything additional that we want to say that we have the opportunity to do 1032 01:28:11,36 --> 01:28:17,22 that well enough before the compact hearing so that we can consider that and 1033 01:28:18,06 --> 01:28:22,27 depending on the discussion tonight if there's some formal action that we need to 1034 01:28:22,28 --> 01:28:27,83 take or if we need to continue the discussion with some additional information. I 1035 01:28:27,84 --> 01:28:30,95 do want to say that. I had 1036 01:28:30,96 --> 01:28:36,11 a meeting last Thursday afternoon with Jack Lester and Bob Young on top of you Ira 1037 01:28:37,02 --> 01:28:40,28 the city manager and the deputy soon the city manager were there with me in the 1038 01:28:40,29 --> 01:28:46,22 meeting and the purpose they had requested the meeting the the purpose of the 1039 01:28:46,23 --> 01:28:52,33 meeting was they provided us with an update on the on the schedule. One on 1040 01:28:53,16 --> 01:28:59,63 their sense of timing as to what was going to happen after the compact hearing that 1041 01:28:59,64 --> 01:29:00,22 it would be 1042 01:29:00,75 --> 01:29:06,76 a couple of month process to get to the end of that process with the federal review 1043 01:29:06,76 --> 01:29:13,09 . And that one model would be. Basically looking at. 1044 01:29:14,11 --> 01:29:19,93 What what it's supposed to do in the compact hearing to look at the transit access 1045 01:29:20,20 --> 01:29:21,28 which is where the city had 1046 01:29:21,29 --> 01:29:27,34 a whole lot of interest in the last time and that it would proceed to the P.D. 1047 01:29:27,35 --> 01:29:33,92 Process they were wondering about any suggestions for best ways for them for them 1048 01:29:34,24 --> 01:29:40,53 and the city to have any discussions that would be fruitful. Where we left after 1049 01:29:40,54 --> 01:29:47,39 that was that they should probably correspond with staff and that was 1050 01:29:47,40 --> 01:29:51,23 pretty much the extent of it I want to turn it over to Brian and Susie to talk 1051 01:29:51,24 --> 01:29:57,93 about any particulars they want to talk about from that meeting and then we can 1052 01:29:58,29 --> 01:30:03,02 see where we want to go from here you think you yeah I found the meeting to be you 1053 01:30:03,03 --> 01:30:09,10 know very factual I was helpful for me I didn't have the background of. Some of the 1054 01:30:09,47 --> 01:30:12,13 actions that transpired in the past and so it was helpful to get caught up 1055 01:30:12,14 --> 01:30:18,67 a little bit and you know I think that that. Their 1056 01:30:18,74 --> 01:30:23,52 suggestions around just general milestone dates was helpful in terms of just being 1057 01:30:23,53 --> 01:30:28,17 able to see not only the timing for the contract hearing. It's from their 1058 01:30:28,18 --> 01:30:32,89 perspective what they think the timing would be going forward so I think it was it 1059 01:30:32,90 --> 01:30:39,62 was helpful to hear some articulation of where he can perhaps be helpful 1060 01:30:39,63 --> 01:30:43,15 in to provide some context but also just generally understand what the process was 1061 01:30:43,16 --> 01:30:47,80 going to be so that it's be very helpful so I'll just reiterate this was 1062 01:30:47,81 --> 01:30:54,23 a basically checking on process there was no attempt to negotiate or anything like 1063 01:30:54,24 --> 01:31:00,93 that there were no details forthcoming. So I just wanted to make sure everybody 1064 01:31:00,94 --> 01:31:07,26 knew that's where things stood. We have the opportunity to 1065 01:31:07,81 --> 01:31:14,68 testify the compact hearing and wanted to check in with my colleagues as to. If 1066 01:31:14,69 --> 01:31:21,16 there's anything we need to anything that you all need some some members of the 1067 01:31:21,17 --> 01:31:21,51 Council 1068 01:31:21,52 --> 01:31:26,64 a bit more involved with this issue than others. Some of us were around for the 1069 01:31:26,65 --> 01:31:31,34 last compact hearing and have that experience. I want to give an opportunity to 1070 01:31:31,35 --> 01:31:35,96 make sure that everybody is comfortable and up to speed with. What that what the 1071 01:31:35,97 --> 01:31:42,67 purpose of the compact hearing is and what we might want to comment. Customer 1072 01:31:42,68 --> 01:31:48,25 Smith is that white or new Really it's the old look consumer guns thank you. 1073 01:31:49,66 --> 01:31:54,68 Thank you to the community activists who came out this evening with your signs. I 1074 01:31:54,69 --> 01:32:00,14 look forward to seeing them on the street. On private property of course. 1075 01:32:02,14 --> 01:32:09,00 It is. My belief that that city I don't interpret that any 1076 01:32:09,01 --> 01:32:13,18 council member has changed positions on the development including in particular the 1077 01:32:13,19 --> 01:32:17,39 points of the activists raised when they spoke earlier this evening regarding the 1078 01:32:17,40 --> 01:32:21,99 building size I can't recall whether Mr Rudd's vision this week or whether it was 1079 01:32:22,00 --> 01:32:26,36 last week mentioned the green space buffers with the adjoining buildings and so on 1080 01:32:26,69 --> 01:32:31,56 I don't think our positions have changed but the resolution that we passed back 1081 01:32:31,57 --> 01:32:37,26 last October. In the section two referred specifically to. 1082 01:32:38,57 --> 01:32:42,99 Changes of the design prior to the vote on the amended joint development agreement 1083 01:32:43,00 --> 01:32:46,73 by the Wal-Mart of Lords so that's been overtaken by events as the expression goes 1084 01:32:47,21 --> 01:32:53,90 I I my own thought is that I do intend to testify at the compact hearing and 1085 01:32:54,17 --> 01:32:58,51 I hope that other council members and the mayor will as well my own feeling is that 1086 01:32:58,52 --> 01:33:03,51 it would be more powerful if we did agree to a city position as expressed in 1087 01:33:03,52 --> 01:33:09,36 a resolution so that each of us would be speaking on behalf of the city I doubt 1088 01:33:09,37 --> 01:33:13,63 that any of us would deviate from that position but you never know what happens 1089 01:33:13,64 --> 01:33:18,81 when you get up there so that's that's my view that that it would be 1090 01:33:18,82 --> 01:33:24,07 a good idea to have another resolution that would reaffirm our position but tie it 1091 01:33:24,08 --> 01:33:29,20 to the compact hearing. And so we can discuss that. 1092 01:33:34,54 --> 01:33:39,95 Sorry I'm looking at some notes. There. 1093 01:33:41,42 --> 01:33:48,12 Is one other point which is that there are many residents who are affected Maryland 1094 01:33:48,13 --> 01:33:50,89 residents who are affected as well as Washington D.C. 1095 01:33:50,90 --> 01:33:56,60 Ones by this development who don't aren't on email lists they aren't. 1096 01:33:58,89 --> 01:34:03,70 Getting they're not noticing the types of communications we normally put out the 1097 01:34:03,74 --> 01:34:04,41 mayor and I had 1098 01:34:04,42 --> 01:34:11,03 a conversation with one of them at the board meeting where the joint development 1099 01:34:11,04 --> 01:34:16,81 agreement was approved and the question I have is and I guess it's 1100 01:34:16,82 --> 01:34:18,70 a suggestion whether the city should send 1101 01:34:18,71 --> 01:34:25,12 a notice by mail to the residence of the area to be defined closest to the Metro 1102 01:34:25,13 --> 01:34:28,93 system to make sure that they know about the compact hearing Normally I'd say that 1103 01:34:28,94 --> 01:34:31,31 would be a responsibility of well modest but they're not 1104 01:34:31,32 --> 01:34:38,29 a organization that typically interacts with the public in this way so it is 1105 01:34:38,60 --> 01:34:44,18 something that I could see the city taking on and. Just simply ensure that the 1106 01:34:44,19 --> 01:34:50,72 affected residents in Maryland are aware of the meeting. I don't 1107 01:34:51,29 --> 01:34:52,70 have a just 1108 01:34:53,10 --> 01:34:57,59 a quick question we do have we're on the about the deadline for the newsletter but 1109 01:34:57,60 --> 01:35:02,72 the newsletter will be out before that time so if you would rather or if that we're 1110 01:35:02,73 --> 01:35:06,44 generally Cheney Miers and she said that she has plenty run an item and that 1111 01:35:06,48 --> 01:35:11,46 deadline is that twenty six which is what yesterday we still get something and so 1112 01:35:11,50 --> 01:35:15,64 yeah we enter Julie had that if if that sufficient for you I guess it does go to 1113 01:35:15,65 --> 01:35:20,11 every household by partly the question is where she's going to position it on the 1114 01:35:20,12 --> 01:35:21,94 front cover you know we don't know I wouldn't give him 1115 01:35:21,95 --> 01:35:25,96 a good thing yet maybe it would be sufficient if you if you just checked into that 1116 01:35:25,97 --> 01:35:30,27 that in your judgment to get sufficient billing in the newsletter this ability that 1117 01:35:30,28 --> 01:35:36,41 is OK So that would answer that question so really I'm just suggesting that we 1118 01:35:36,63 --> 01:35:37,08 consider 1119 01:35:37,09 --> 01:35:41,18 a resolution that reaffirms our position that's targeted to the topic during 1120 01:35:41,83 --> 01:35:48,30 construction. I will be the first to admit that I feel coming into this. From 1121 01:35:48,31 --> 01:35:55,23 a fairly. Position although I have. Those people here know that I've spoken out 1122 01:35:55,84 --> 01:36:00,90 on this on this issue and I guess so some of my questions are going to be fairly 1123 01:36:01,21 --> 01:36:08,18 basic. I guess I'm still puzzled if you could mayor answer as to what was the 1124 01:36:08,22 --> 01:36:13,04 reason that the representatives from the why I actually wanted to have 1125 01:36:13,05 --> 01:36:19,60 a face to face meeting I was with you and your staff. As opposed to just an 1126 01:36:19,61 --> 01:36:24,41 exchange of emails it doesn't sound like there was any substantive discussion of 1127 01:36:24,42 --> 01:36:30,44 them an exchange of facts this refer to it so I'm just I'm curious I would say that 1128 01:36:30,45 --> 01:36:35,72 they were they were looking to understand the best way to. 1129 01:36:38,06 --> 01:36:44,16 Communicate and get the best feedback I would I would characterize their position 1130 01:36:44,17 --> 01:36:51,01 as the best feedback with the least amount of noise. And then the least amount of 1131 01:36:51,70 --> 01:36:56,58 noise from home. As in like. 1132 01:36:58,71 --> 01:36:59,38 Is is there 1133 01:36:59,39 --> 01:37:06,68 a good way for them to get to either share or get information about whatever 1134 01:37:06,69 --> 01:37:12,52 it is that they or we would feel was necessary to correspond about so that we 1135 01:37:12,53 --> 01:37:18,55 presume that they're actually interested in listening Yes I got that impression. I 1136 01:37:18,56 --> 01:37:23,27 mean from my perspective it was just you know an opportunity for them to try to 1137 01:37:23,28 --> 01:37:27,31 reach out I think they were open to pretty much any form of communication I think 1138 01:37:27,82 --> 01:37:31,10 you know it's easier probably to talk then to exchange lots of wordy emails 1139 01:37:31,11 --> 01:37:35,34 necessarily I think that you know this was just their their call I know that in the 1140 01:37:35,38 --> 01:37:39,64 e-mail that I received from from Jack He also referenced and I'm I'm not party to 1141 01:37:39,65 --> 01:37:40,76 this but I guess 1142 01:37:40,77 --> 01:37:44,40 a conversation that he had with Representative and Holland about trying to keep 1143 01:37:44,44 --> 01:37:48,25 open communications with all kinds of I get assume represent us within the state of 1144 01:37:48,26 --> 01:37:52,89 Maryland so that may have also them or is there again this is just another open 1145 01:37:53,41 --> 01:38:00,19 question and an indication of them. Of interest on the Y.A.'s Representatives 1146 01:38:00,65 --> 01:38:06,84 parts about trying to offer communications so we're looking no 1147 01:38:07,20 --> 01:38:13,49 conversation that's called use up big word here with outside of the formal 1148 01:38:14,03 --> 01:38:19,61 process that's being set up by one model in the in the in the D.C. 1149 01:38:19,62 --> 01:38:25,21 Government and all of the other because we all are aware of the formal process 1150 01:38:25,58 --> 01:38:31,68 that's was probably terrified some of the people in this room is that. It's going 1151 01:38:31,69 --> 01:38:38,33 to go down the tracks and pickups the steam and speed and will be get more and more 1152 01:38:38,34 --> 01:38:43,77 difficult to. Change things as as time goes by. 1153 01:38:45,52 --> 01:38:47,10 You know that I I don't have 1154 01:38:47,11 --> 01:38:51,16 a good answer about how they were thinking about you know the other thing or that 1155 01:38:51,17 --> 01:38:56,60 process you know I think that again this was my opinion at least just their 1156 01:38:56,61 --> 01:39:01,63 opportunity to try to reach out and try to communicate as much as they can and I'm 1157 01:39:01,70 --> 01:39:06,77 you know right now we're still in sort of sort of the more of an informal process 1158 01:39:06,78 --> 01:39:10,67 because we're still pre we're right before the compact hearing and it gets 1159 01:39:10,68 --> 01:39:13,37 a lot more formal as pretty much most of the council knows it gets 1160 01:39:13,38 --> 01:39:18,55 a little formal after the compact hearing with the process and so forth and so and 1161 01:39:18,59 --> 01:39:22,52 honestly even within the P.T. Process there's a lot of meetings and A and C. 1162 01:39:22,53 --> 01:39:24,72 Involvement so I mean even even that is not 1163 01:39:24,73 --> 01:39:31,32 a silly as rigid as. There's no scripted there's scripted meetings but there 1164 01:39:31,33 --> 01:39:36,22 certainly are meetings outside of that process that happen. Just as 1165 01:39:36,23 --> 01:39:43,17 a for instance. One of my responses to. What they 1166 01:39:43,18 --> 01:39:49,25 were talking about I said I wanted to consider as we as we went through the 1167 01:39:50,16 --> 01:39:56,21 compact during the Peter day that if they. Were willing to come back to that to the 1168 01:39:56,22 --> 01:39:57,35 city and make 1169 01:39:57,36 --> 01:40:02,85 a presentation as as things were going to change through that process or just get 1170 01:40:02,86 --> 01:40:03,27 a kind of 1171 01:40:03,28 --> 01:40:09,70 a formal way to get information back on those processes if it would be helpful to 1172 01:40:10,66 --> 01:40:12,98 have them before they make 1173 01:40:12,99 --> 01:40:17,38 a formal presentation of the council meeting to something less formal where they 1174 01:40:17,39 --> 01:40:22,30 can you know kind of explain what it whatever it is that they're proposing or 1175 01:40:22,31 --> 01:40:26,11 changes or something like that so that there could be something where boards are 1176 01:40:26,12 --> 01:40:31,38 set up and public has the opportunity to ask questions rather than that just that 1177 01:40:31,39 --> 01:40:36,45 more formal process I mean I think that's. I've been in is that that's 1178 01:40:37,27 --> 01:40:44,24 a critical thing that needs to be. Encouraged. Because you can 1179 01:40:44,28 --> 01:40:45,20 surely why 1180 01:40:45,21 --> 01:40:50,93 a understands you know they're not ignorant of this resolution that we passed 1181 01:40:50,94 --> 01:40:57,34 they're not ignorant of the the the Takoma park communities or the D.C. 1182 01:40:57,35 --> 01:41:01,32 Communities points of concerns. And of I'm 1183 01:41:01,33 --> 01:41:07,97 a developer I have to be calculating what are my chances of being able to pull this 1184 01:41:07,98 --> 01:41:14,18 thing off without having to. Make any substantial changes in response to the 1185 01:41:14,19 --> 01:41:18,47 community of what are my chances if I start to talk about it and in 1186 01:41:18,48 --> 01:41:23,56 a creative way informally with with people like of those who are sitting in our 1187 01:41:23,57 --> 01:41:30,50 audience right now not you know aside from us. And so that's what I've been hoping 1188 01:41:30,51 --> 01:41:37,49 that will happen and whatever we can do to encourage that kind of conversation 1189 01:41:37,50 --> 01:41:44,08 is. Public public conversation would be. 1190 01:41:45,40 --> 01:41:50,79 Something we want to. Encourage them to work but I think that's one thing I wanted 1191 01:41:50,80 --> 01:41:52,64 to say about it right now I'm just 1192 01:41:52,65 --> 01:41:57,58 a little disappointed that we passed this this thing last October twenty eighth 1193 01:41:57,59 --> 01:42:04,25 that's half a year ago or more about and we haven't seen anyone a move 1194 01:42:04,29 --> 01:42:10,47 a dawn yet when have we I mean the material stuff. 1195 01:42:12,83 --> 01:42:19,72 That's that's concerning. There I'd be interested in hearing Mr Porter is 1196 01:42:19,76 --> 01:42:24,71 Chris Lee joined us she has anything to say about her opinion of the best way for 1197 01:42:24,72 --> 01:42:30,40 the city of Hama park to express its position in an effective manner and maybe if I 1198 01:42:30,41 --> 01:42:34,93 give it ask you first to just say a couple sentences about 1199 01:42:36,73 --> 01:42:43,18 a nice quick little summary of the compact hearing what the reason for the compact 1200 01:42:43,19 --> 01:42:48,50 hearing and kind of the length of time that the process takes because it has 1201 01:42:48,85 --> 01:42:55,62 multiple parts to it. The main purpose of the compact public hearing is to 1202 01:42:55,81 --> 01:43:02,72 look at the impact of the development of trans that facilities. And so I 1203 01:43:02,73 --> 01:43:09,08 would I would say that to the extent that you can link your concerns to transit 1204 01:43:09,09 --> 01:43:15,45 issues I think it would. It would make them more powerful although. I would know 1205 01:43:15,46 --> 01:43:21,84 that the change that you know in the resolution that the model committee made at 1206 01:43:22,36 --> 01:43:29,05 the request of the council that was brought to us by set didn't know that. The 1207 01:43:29,60 --> 01:43:36,13 come from this public company here in Unlike most would accept non transit 1208 01:43:36,14 --> 01:43:42,85 related comments and would forward them on to. The district 1209 01:43:43,64 --> 01:43:48,69 and see that it's putting on the P D So so it is there's 1210 01:43:48,70 --> 01:43:52,73 a little bit more latitude and leeway in this when that would normally be the 1211 01:43:52,74 --> 01:43:58,12 compact public hearing basically is that the the the way one model looks at it and 1212 01:43:58,13 --> 01:44:01,39 I. I have to keep reiterating that this is not 1213 01:44:01,40 --> 01:44:08,07 a typical process for them. Is that the first the first step. 1214 01:44:09,14 --> 01:44:14,17 Which is the joint development agreement normally for the model that's about money 1215 01:44:14,22 --> 01:44:19,18 and about nothing else most of the most of the projects that they have they're just 1216 01:44:19,19 --> 01:44:24,10 working out the you know the negotiations about who gets paid what and for how much 1217 01:44:24,80 --> 01:44:29,74 normally there is not the same kinds of issues that there is in this one and so 1218 01:44:29,75 --> 01:44:34,11 they normally don't think of those kinds of things. And they come back public here 1219 01:44:34,12 --> 01:44:37,37 and then talks about the development and how that would affect the transit 1220 01:44:37,38 --> 01:44:43,01 facilities and in some cases it's fairly cut and dried in this case obviously it is 1221 01:44:43,02 --> 01:44:49,38 not and then if there are so many issues or building issues or design issues those 1222 01:44:49,39 --> 01:44:55,61 are normally. Dealt with by the jurisdiction in which the development is going to 1223 01:44:55,62 --> 01:44:59,67 occur in this case the District of Columbia and that would that would be what the 1224 01:44:59,74 --> 01:45:01,33 plane development the P.D. 1225 01:45:01,34 --> 01:45:06,48 Process would be about so those are sort of the steps that one model would normally 1226 01:45:06,49 --> 01:45:13,42 do in development situations like this as I said I think. This is 1227 01:45:13,49 --> 01:45:18,76 this is not at all typical. For the kinds of things that they do that most of the 1228 01:45:18,77 --> 01:45:22,24 stuff that they will mine to deals with development next to 1229 01:45:22,25 --> 01:45:25,87 a metro station it's in a it's in an industrial area it's in 1230 01:45:25,88 --> 01:45:30,33 a commercial area where they're just looking to you know put up an office building 1231 01:45:30,34 --> 01:45:31,36 or you know 1232 01:45:31,37 --> 01:45:37,55 a parking garage and those in you don't have the same kinds of. Issues with 1233 01:45:37,59 --> 01:45:43,08 proximity to residential areas you don't have the same issues with. You know 1234 01:45:43,18 --> 01:45:45,57 building in an already built up community 1235 01:45:46,12 --> 01:45:49,88 a lot of the issues that are that are very essential in this particular situation 1236 01:45:50,18 --> 01:45:56,65 don't exist in most of that and most of the compact public hearing situations that 1237 01:45:56,66 --> 01:46:00,88 one wanted deals so this is is very unusual and a lot of that 1238 01:46:00,94 --> 01:46:06,38 a lot of the things I think they're sort of figuring it out as they go along. And 1239 01:46:06,52 --> 01:46:11,45 my recollection of the last time that we went through the compact theory it was 1240 01:46:12,37 --> 01:46:19,18 that was kind of the first step in the process of the model board coming 1241 01:46:19,19 --> 01:46:19,44 to 1242 01:46:19,45 --> 01:46:26,03 a resolution about deciding what if any transit impact there was and it involved 1243 01:46:26,04 --> 01:46:32,19 a number of steps with the Federal Transit Administration with any federal historic 1244 01:46:32,27 --> 01:46:34,78 piece that goes it that feeds into that F.D.A. 1245 01:46:34,78 --> 01:46:40,51 . And so there are those pieces that make this. So that. 1246 01:46:42,32 --> 01:46:47,61 Doesn't kind of conclude the compact hearing process with a resolution until 1247 01:46:47,62 --> 01:46:53,42 a couple months down the her. Basically Well this is very different than the 1248 01:46:53,43 --> 01:46:58,23 previous one because the previous proposal for development the Metro would have 1249 01:46:58,35 --> 01:47:05,09 drastically altered the transit facilities it would have shrunk the bus area 1250 01:47:05,32 --> 01:47:10,41 it would have shrunk the parking area there were. Major major changes to the 1251 01:47:10,42 --> 01:47:14,94 transit facilities and that was what was the focus of most of our comments from the 1252 01:47:14,98 --> 01:47:20,35 focus of the city's comments at that point was access by the people to call part 1253 01:47:20,61 --> 01:47:24,86 being impaired because of the major changes they were making in the transit 1254 01:47:24,87 --> 01:47:29,99 facilities to the detriment of people getting access to the Metro station that was 1255 01:47:30,00 --> 01:47:36,21 basically the issue. In this particular situation since they're not talking about 1256 01:47:36,90 --> 01:47:41,96 major changes to the transit facilities I think that that's that will be that piece 1257 01:47:41,97 --> 01:47:46,83 of it would be less complicated My understanding is that after the company public 1258 01:47:46,84 --> 01:47:53,41 hearing this staff then takes all the testimony and analyzes it puts it together as 1259 01:47:53,42 --> 01:47:57,06 I said this is very different from most of the types of development we're going to 1260 01:47:57,07 --> 01:48:01,39 do so I haven't I haven't seen one like this but normally what they do is they 1261 01:48:01,40 --> 01:48:04,83 gather all the information together and they analyze it and they put together 1262 01:48:04,84 --> 01:48:08,09 a report that says you know this is what people thought about this and this is what 1263 01:48:08,10 --> 01:48:11,87 people thought about that and that sort of thing and then the board votes to accept 1264 01:48:11,88 --> 01:48:18,71 it here except the report in the analysis by the staff or not. So there's pressure 1265 01:48:18,72 --> 01:48:19,05 when you're 1266 01:48:19,47 --> 01:48:25,02 a staffer at them and comes back in the form of the resolution. I'm not sure it's 1267 01:48:25,03 --> 01:48:31,46 a recommendation. As I said this this is very different from the the normal types 1268 01:48:31,47 --> 01:48:36,76 of joint developments that will mount it does my understanding is that they will 1269 01:48:36,77 --> 01:48:42,26 come back with an analysis of the comments and how those comments bear on the 1270 01:48:42,27 --> 01:48:46,69 transom facilities issues that are being dealt with this part of the development. 1271 01:48:47,58 --> 01:48:52,45 And how does the board decided which comments are important. 1272 01:48:54,44 --> 01:49:00,38 Well it's my school impact is that my understanding is that they will include and 1273 01:49:00,54 --> 01:49:04,98 analyze all of the comments I don't know what their analysis will be as I said I 1274 01:49:04,99 --> 01:49:06,29 haven't ever I've never seen 1275 01:49:06,30 --> 01:49:11,24 a process you know from the woman and that they have gone through that has been 1276 01:49:11,25 --> 01:49:16,74 like this most of them are not just to trust that process and by coming back 1277 01:49:16,81 --> 01:49:23,78 directly to the borders committee first. I don't know the answer to that most 1278 01:49:23,84 --> 01:49:26,16 things that go to the board go to 1279 01:49:26,17 --> 01:49:30,51 a committee first so that would be my guess that it would come good work to give 1280 01:49:30,59 --> 01:49:37,34 the. Planning in real estate committee that would be my guess because 1281 01:49:38,22 --> 01:49:40,59 that would be unusual if it went to 1282 01:49:40,60 --> 01:49:42,66 a committee would be that committee would usually go to 1283 01:49:42,67 --> 01:49:49,56 a committee so. Those are 1284 01:49:49,57 --> 01:49:56,04 something else you want to add. To that. Answer your question or was there to your 1285 01:49:56,05 --> 01:50:01,78 question go beyond what the discussion was. The original question so I thought it 1286 01:50:01,79 --> 01:50:08,77 was yours I. Asked Miss Porter's suggestions and yes 1287 01:50:08,87 --> 01:50:13,50 OK well I guess that the two suggestions I would have one is to the extent that you 1288 01:50:13,51 --> 01:50:19,38 can link it to the transit issues I think it will make it more on point but I would 1289 01:50:20,14 --> 01:50:25,30 I would put any issues that you're concerned about in there. You know because of 1290 01:50:25,31 --> 01:50:29,96 your suggestions before that the topic got somewhat broadened in this particular 1291 01:50:29,97 --> 01:50:34,59 instance and I would I mean I think the the one thing that we learned from our 1292 01:50:34,60 --> 01:50:41,58 previous experience is that you have to keep. Making your points I 1293 01:50:41,59 --> 01:50:45,75 think the situation that we had the last time was that it was always too early to 1294 01:50:45,76 --> 01:50:52,10 make the point until it was too late. And I think you don't want to do that we get 1295 01:50:52,63 --> 01:50:56,83 we do have lots of stuff that relates to transit that also relates to design for 1296 01:50:56,84 --> 01:50:57,18 instance 1297 01:50:57,19 --> 01:51:01,08 a lot of residents are concerned about the reduction in transit use or parking 1298 01:51:01,09 --> 01:51:06,49 spaces from the number is never quite fixed one hundred fifty to ninety five or 1299 01:51:06,50 --> 01:51:10,65 something like that the reduction in parking spaces for transit users will mean 1300 01:51:10,66 --> 01:51:16,78 fewer people using the station that's an argument that we can make in our testimony 1301 01:51:17,53 --> 01:51:20,70 a lowly some people including myself but not everyone believes there's an 1302 01:51:20,71 --> 01:51:22,87 oversupply of residential parking that's 1303 01:51:22,88 --> 01:51:27,50 a design element in the building of the residential portion of the building but the 1304 01:51:27,51 --> 01:51:32,93 argument is that if you have more residential parking spaces then you will invite 1305 01:51:32,94 --> 01:51:37,75 people into the building to live there who will be less likely to use transit so 1306 01:51:37,76 --> 01:51:41,99 there are plenty of arguments that we can make that relate to transit better both 1307 01:51:42,00 --> 01:51:47,55 transit and building design questions and I'll just say that the number of 1308 01:51:47,56 --> 01:51:52,25 residential parking spaces is going to be related to the bulk of the building which 1309 01:51:52,26 --> 01:51:56,22 is our biggest. Daryn because if you have fewer residential parking spaces then you 1310 01:51:56,23 --> 01:52:03,20 can shift the apartments around and so on. Yes. But it but having said that the 1311 01:52:03,21 --> 01:52:06,56 second part of what I said is that if there is something that concerns you I would 1312 01:52:06,57 --> 01:52:13,54 bring that up. You've mentioned. These other areas where if you will moderate 1313 01:52:13,55 --> 01:52:20,47 those developments or industrial or. Their lust developed right what 1314 01:52:21,07 --> 01:52:27,88 right would issues come up that the board would address in that type of process. 1315 01:52:33,81 --> 01:52:39,14 I'm trying to remember there's issues there's always arguments about you know if 1316 01:52:39,19 --> 01:52:44,77 the development is going to take the place of existing parking whether the park is 1317 01:52:44,78 --> 01:52:51,28 going to be replaced in one form it's going to be replaced. If there is an 1318 01:52:51,28 --> 01:52:57,93 issue of. But space being taken out you know what how is that going to be 1319 01:52:58,15 --> 01:53:04,14 replaced there's issues sometimes in enjoying development will want it on entrance 1320 01:53:04,15 --> 01:53:06,25 to the station or will have to go over 1321 01:53:06,26 --> 01:53:12,28 a road or over the train tracks you know so there's there's entrance issues from 1322 01:53:12,65 --> 01:53:14,20 you know if a if 1323 01:53:14,21 --> 01:53:18,61 a hotel or an office building wants to be adjacent to Metro and they want to have 1324 01:53:18,62 --> 01:53:19,05 some kind of 1325 01:53:19,06 --> 01:53:22,13 a bridge or something and there's issues about how it's going to connect to the 1326 01:53:22,14 --> 01:53:26,86 station. Those are the kinds of things that I can think about they're not usually 1327 01:53:26,87 --> 01:53:31,76 this kind of thing right but those things you mention the board usually does have 1328 01:53:31,77 --> 01:53:37,07 some type of statement comment some way that they would fix that rather than just 1329 01:53:37,08 --> 01:53:42,38 saying we're not going to deal with it the board tends not to directly deal with 1330 01:53:42,39 --> 01:53:46,24 things like that. There will usually be 1331 01:53:46,55 --> 01:53:51,51 a document or something like it or it may end up the the contract has not been 1332 01:53:51,52 --> 01:53:56,20 signed yet the contract will not be signed until the process goes through. And so 1333 01:53:56,21 --> 01:54:02,09 sometimes those end up in the in the contract with the developer. But generally the 1334 01:54:02,10 --> 01:54:07,19 kinds of things that Metro would be would would specify would be if you were taking 1335 01:54:07,20 --> 01:54:13,69 out Metro if you are removing Metro facilities they have to be replaced and they 1336 01:54:13,70 --> 01:54:20,53 have to be replaced under these kinds of specs or if you're trying to. Make another 1337 01:54:20,54 --> 01:54:24,52 entrance into the station it has to meet the specifications I'm just trying to get 1338 01:54:24,53 --> 01:54:30,27 a sense of I mean like you said this is completely new. What market hasn't seen 1339 01:54:30,28 --> 01:54:37,12 anything like this are they even going to seriously consider these 1340 01:54:37,13 --> 01:54:43,88 concerns. If they've never done it before how do we even begin 1341 01:54:43,94 --> 01:54:50,85 to address. The I think the way I mean I have I 1342 01:54:50,86 --> 01:54:54,87 have spoken to some of my colleagues on the board because I think many of them 1343 01:54:54,88 --> 01:55:01,80 didn't sort of understand why this was coming up before the board at all. There and 1344 01:55:01,81 --> 01:55:04,51 some of them are sort of saying well you know we don't do that we don't deal with 1345 01:55:04,52 --> 01:55:08,16 that the jurisdiction deals with that and that's sort of the way that they 1346 01:55:08,17 --> 01:55:12,66 generally deal with it is these kinds of design issues are for the jurisdiction to 1347 01:55:12,67 --> 01:55:16,74 decide not for the moderated side you know we say you know you pay us X. 1348 01:55:16,75 --> 01:55:20,77 For the land and you know we want to make sure that you know we end up with the 1349 01:55:20,81 --> 01:55:25,14 same amount of parking and we end up with you know places where the buses can go 1350 01:55:25,15 --> 01:55:27,48 and if you're going to try to make another entrance you've got to do in 1351 01:55:27,49 --> 01:55:32,85 a way that doesn't mess up our station but beyond that issues beyond that they say 1352 01:55:32,86 --> 01:55:37,63 are the are the purview of the jurisdiction in which the development is occurring 1353 01:55:37,86 --> 01:55:41,07 and I know that there are instances where there have been 1354 01:55:41,08 --> 01:55:45,39 a lot of discussions within that within those jurisdictions about some of the 1355 01:55:45,40 --> 01:55:52,36 developments but they haven't come to the board. Have either of the mayoral 1356 01:55:52,37 --> 01:55:58,71 candidates weighed in on this well Muriel Bowzer is actually on the board 1357 01:55:59,45 --> 01:56:06,09 she represents the district council on the board and she you know 1358 01:56:06,39 --> 01:56:10,81 has been involved in this all the way through and I and I will say that at the 1359 01:56:10,82 --> 01:56:16,50 board the board meeting at which this was decided she made some very helpful 1360 01:56:16,51 --> 01:56:23,45 comments and I would if I we take her up on that thank you for the 1361 01:56:24,20 --> 01:56:30,86 company question. For what issues such as. 1362 01:56:32,21 --> 01:56:37,46 The. Impact on. Eastern haven't. 1363 01:56:39,56 --> 01:56:46,35 With me that's the main entrance for the cars vehicles coming in 1364 01:56:46,64 --> 01:56:53,56 whether they be residential You know people that live on the premises or. Or users 1365 01:56:53,57 --> 01:56:58,51 of the transom people coming in off of eastern Iowa know that trash trucks and 1366 01:56:58,52 --> 01:57:05,23 moving trucks and all the other functionalities would be using. Eastern eyes as 1367 01:57:05,28 --> 01:57:12,14 with point of entry onto the property would those those kinds 1368 01:57:12,15 --> 01:57:19,03 of. Discussions fall into the transportation 1369 01:57:19,08 --> 01:57:26,04 rubric but you but what that will model wants to focus on. When. We're 1370 01:57:26,05 --> 01:57:26,24 not 1371 01:57:26,25 --> 01:57:31,22 a specifically interested in transit issues you know not necessarily all transportation 1372 01:57:31,23 --> 01:57:37,32 issues. And you know access to the station might very well be an issue that they 1373 01:57:37,33 --> 01:57:42,56 would be interested in yes but I don't know if the issue of particular kinds of 1374 01:57:42,57 --> 01:57:46,91 vehicles I mean I guess my general advice to you is if there's 1375 01:57:46,92 --> 01:57:53,31 a concern that you have I would I would state it if I may let's not forget that 1376 01:57:53,32 --> 01:57:57,86 metro buses use the surrounding residential streets and if there is additional can 1377 01:57:57,90 --> 01:58:03,10 just you know or issues with driveways and so on but those points will affect Metro 1378 01:58:03,11 --> 01:58:09,93 busses him on the I can sort of see where if it does impact 1379 01:58:09,94 --> 01:58:16,60 transit. You know. The other question that I 1380 01:58:16,61 --> 01:58:23,06 have. Is is the compact hearing. The way you vision of 1381 01:58:23,86 --> 01:58:30,13 what you can vision of being about. Is that an appropriate time for other other 1382 01:58:30,60 --> 01:58:37,18 elected pretty people such as the Montgomery County Executives office or 1383 01:58:37,22 --> 01:58:44,00 members of the month Montgomery County Council who represent this this area of the 1384 01:58:44,01 --> 01:58:50,34 county to involve themselves in providing written or oral testimony 1385 01:58:51,32 --> 01:58:58,09 I don't I don't think it would hurt. I don't even you know that. I 1386 01:58:58,10 --> 01:59:01,01 couldn't even tell you which board members are going to be the come back over here 1387 01:59:01,02 --> 01:59:04,35 I will be but I don't even know what other board members will be there I imagine 1388 01:59:04,36 --> 01:59:07,75 there will be somebody there but I do remember the previous compact public hearing 1389 01:59:07,76 --> 01:59:14,51 there's only one board member there so but again I guess I would say the same thing 1390 01:59:14,94 --> 01:59:16,89 if there is if there are people who have 1391 01:59:16,90 --> 01:59:21,14 a concern people who want to. Say something I'm going to make 1392 01:59:21,15 --> 01:59:25,22 a particular point I would say that you know they should they should be there you 1393 01:59:25,43 --> 01:59:30,94 know it would be Oh generally speaking more warm bodies the better generally 1394 01:59:30,95 --> 01:59:37,85 speaking the more officials that you can get there expressing their concerns the 1395 01:59:37,85 --> 01:59:44,13 better it's never you can never literally have too much of that. I mean the people 1396 01:59:44,14 --> 01:59:48,98 who are listening may think it's too much but the people who are testifying should 1397 01:59:48,99 --> 01:59:54,07 never think of it as being too much and so. That's something for us also to think 1398 01:59:54,08 --> 01:59:57,73 about and I do notice that they have they have a lot of quite 1399 01:59:57,74 --> 02:00:02,00 a long time for the public hearings something like five hours five hours you know 1400 02:00:02,01 --> 02:00:06,49 there's so little I would I would one time I would say that they probably do 1401 02:00:06,50 --> 02:00:07,63 anticipate that there will be 1402 02:00:07,64 --> 02:00:11,15 a fair amount of interest in this my recollection is there were something like one 1403 02:00:11,16 --> 02:00:14,18 hundred ten people who testified last round there's 1404 02:00:14,19 --> 02:00:20,75 a ton right. It was the last time 1405 02:00:20,90 --> 02:00:25,42 the previous public hearing on this the first iteration right development it did go 1406 02:00:25,43 --> 02:00:29,46 very long and I and I do remember we had several members of the city council 1407 02:00:29,47 --> 02:00:33,96 testify and I if I remember what we did that point is we sort of decided what we 1408 02:00:33,97 --> 02:00:38,53 wanted to say and giving it up and say you know one person said this somebody else 1409 02:00:38,54 --> 02:00:45,52 said this somebody else said this and somebody else said that. So you know if you 1410 02:00:45,53 --> 02:00:49,08 choose to do that that would be fine that's we I can't remember why we thought that 1411 02:00:49,09 --> 02:00:49,19 was 1412 02:00:49,20 --> 02:00:53,79 a good idea but it worked pretty well public officials to collect officials to get 1413 02:00:53,80 --> 02:00:57,54 five minutes to testify I certainly wouldn't want to abuse that but that's more 1414 02:00:57,55 --> 02:01:01,42 than members of the public get yes yes and I think that may have been the other 1415 02:01:01,43 --> 02:01:05,38 thing that was the way that we got in all of our points within the time limits that 1416 02:01:05,39 --> 02:01:10,67 we had is that we did not the. Council members I mean instances like that I was 1417 02:01:10,68 --> 02:01:14,35 like to try and if the public gets through officials get five I'd like to try to do 1418 02:01:14,36 --> 02:01:21,34 three. Comes forward. Seaman's to 1419 02:01:21,35 --> 02:01:25,80 do you have something or you just like in the narrative. You know you. 1420 02:01:32,11 --> 02:01:38,45 Can't tell what you say. I mean now OK. Facts. 1421 02:01:40,63 --> 02:01:45,75 As. A point that cast member Schultz was getting at. 1422 02:01:47,59 --> 02:01:54,49 I wonder. I wonder if it's worth trying 1423 02:01:54,50 --> 02:02:01,02 to make any point about traffic studies around the site and the effect on the 1424 02:02:01,03 --> 02:02:07,68 access to transit. Or is or people going to be feeling like gee we did 1425 02:02:07,69 --> 02:02:10,21 a traffic study you're beating 1426 02:02:10,22 --> 02:02:16,53 a dead horse Well I guess I'm I'm not I'm not saying that 1427 02:02:17,33 --> 02:02:21,72 I agree that their traffic study was what was needed but I'm thinking about their 1428 02:02:21,73 --> 02:02:27,75 reaction to going I guess what what I would go back to with if there's something 1429 02:02:27,76 --> 02:02:31,18 that you think it's important that I would encourage you to think. 1430 02:02:35,98 --> 02:02:42,35 Other council questions or comments. Like you OK. 1431 02:02:45,04 --> 02:02:48,70 What I'm tempted to say is that we probably want to take 1432 02:02:48,71 --> 02:02:55,12 a look at this. The existing resolution from last October think about how we can. 1433 02:02:56,16 --> 02:03:02,30 Focus it on both accessed transom and other issues that we want to cover see if 1434 02:03:02,31 --> 02:03:06,09 there's anything that we want to add to it so if there's anything that we want to 1435 02:03:07,00 --> 02:03:11,89 kind of group the put the points that we want to make and how many of us will be 1436 02:03:11,90 --> 02:03:18,00 there to testify and how we want want to divvy up that testimony. Make 1437 02:03:18,16 --> 02:03:24,82 suggestions. To staff to staff suggestions about how we can structure this 1438 02:03:25,47 --> 02:03:32,06 yeah I might if if. A normal process for something like this is that. 1439 02:03:33,14 --> 02:03:38,79 You know we take the information in the previous resolution. Recognizing that you 1440 02:03:38,80 --> 02:03:43,15 know obviously some time has passed since that was adopted to give some 1441 02:03:43,16 --> 02:03:47,82 identification of the points made in the testimony if you're looking at several 1442 02:03:47,83 --> 02:03:52,24 different people you know and how you want to divvy it up I think you may have to 1443 02:03:52,25 --> 02:03:57,23 just among yourselves figured that some of that out if you want one particular one 1444 02:03:57,24 --> 02:03:57,80 that's kind of 1445 02:03:57,81 --> 02:04:02,72 a summary one from the mayor that represents the city I'm happy to draft that it's 1446 02:04:02,73 --> 02:04:05,55 a little bit awkward if each person wants to take 1447 02:04:05,56 --> 02:04:10,81 a different piece I just need to be told what you want me to do and any other way 1448 02:04:10,82 --> 02:04:15,97 and we need to know who's interested in testifying. Maybe just 1449 02:04:15,98 --> 02:04:20,06 a preliminary sense right now of those who might be interested in attending and 1450 02:04:20,07 --> 02:04:26,06 testify so as myself and council member crimes. There but I'm OK. 1451 02:04:27,77 --> 02:04:34,41 And my. Goodness. OK. So it sounds like. 1452 02:04:36,07 --> 02:04:41,85 It took potentially two of us potentially for us potentially so. 1453 02:04:42,97 --> 02:04:48,96 This is going to be videotaped by Wal-Mart or not. I don't know but I did give 1454 02:04:48,97 --> 02:04:50,46 a heads up to our city T.V. 1455 02:04:50,47 --> 02:04:54,45 Today that's what I was going to do to last at the last compact hearing we had them 1456 02:04:54,46 --> 02:04:59,31 there and that was how it was recorded yeah I'm so grateful to see everybody would 1457 02:04:59,32 --> 02:05:05,88 call whether elected officials go first yes they courting to woman out of 1458 02:05:06,21 --> 02:05:12,88 people or here yes OK. So 1459 02:05:13,71 --> 02:05:20,47 is there anything that isn't in this. Previous resolution that anybody has done 1460 02:05:20,48 --> 02:05:25,95 a five feels we should include. There are 1461 02:05:25,96 --> 02:05:31,11 a few factual things that change but I can work with this Ludlow on that the number 1462 02:05:31,12 --> 02:05:36,63 of parking units has been reduced for instance and so on OK So that's updates to 1463 02:05:36,64 --> 02:05:43,45 existing points but his or any other point that isn't covered here. Well there were 1464 02:05:43,46 --> 02:05:47,96 some there were Miss pierce holes points about federal review for the historic 1465 02:05:47,97 --> 02:05:51,91 district given the expanding the border and stuff like that is not 1466 02:05:51,92 --> 02:05:56,31 a matter for the compact cheering or not I don't know the inconsistency with 1467 02:05:56,32 --> 02:06:01,24 central district plan she raised is another point again is that matter for them to 1468 02:06:01,25 --> 02:06:07,21 have something I want to say. Important to realize you're setting 1469 02:06:07,22 --> 02:06:12,97 a record too for what can we afterward and a lot of there are 1470 02:06:12,98 --> 02:06:19,96 a lot of possibilities of you know what can come after this. There's Yes this 1471 02:06:19,97 --> 02:06:24,95 is very unique you heard Kathy say how unusual this is it's extremely unusual 1472 02:06:24,96 --> 02:06:30,64 because they're dealing with two historic districts here national register historic 1473 02:06:30,65 --> 02:06:36,71 districts they have never had to focus on theirs and they are still not they are 1474 02:06:36,72 --> 02:06:41,75 sidestepping and they did at the last time they are not getting away with doing it 1475 02:06:41,79 --> 02:06:48,41 again there this is different they're not used to this it's unique so 1476 02:06:48,59 --> 02:06:50,11 yes please set 1477 02:06:50,15 --> 02:06:56,74 a record on this and go back and read what the work that we did on 1478 02:06:56,75 --> 02:07:03,17 this and I'm happy to meet with you to discuss it in more detail but these are 1479 02:07:03,21 --> 02:07:08,24 really very important points for protecting our neighborhood and so we keep talking 1480 02:07:08,25 --> 02:07:13,94 about public process is local processes but what we're forgetting is that there is 1481 02:07:13,95 --> 02:07:20,87 a federal process here and and that has been totally just ignored and 1482 02:07:20,88 --> 02:07:23,73 so please yes you know set 1483 02:07:23,74 --> 02:07:30,56 a record here for what will come later and I don't know what that is but something 1484 02:07:30,60 --> 02:07:34,53 you know who knows so I think step it the city manager maybe you could work with 1485 02:07:34,54 --> 02:07:41,20 the city attorney to evaluate these points for inclusion as I would like just. Some 1486 02:07:41,21 --> 02:07:46,48 of the folks who diocese were not involved with the central district plan but that 1487 02:07:46,49 --> 02:07:52,44 did incorporate the concept of having the townhouses on the site so that's just for 1488 02:07:52,45 --> 02:07:58,37 your information. OK. So. 1489 02:08:00,03 --> 02:08:06,45 Why don't I consult with staff about. What we might need to do to kind of 1490 02:08:07,47 --> 02:08:12,42 consider maybe of a new resolution. Will come up with 1491 02:08:12,43 --> 02:08:19,35 a draft that kind of. Moves in pieces around to see the best way to do 1492 02:08:19,36 --> 02:08:25,48 it will put it out for some. Review on. 1493 02:08:26,92 --> 02:08:31,89 It would we would because we would be getting back to it on the screen. 1494 02:08:35,07 --> 02:08:37,16 You're sitting on the right. 1495 02:08:41,77 --> 02:08:48,64 Sounds like that's being said I think that frankly. The testimony 1496 02:08:48,65 --> 02:08:52,97 may be the strongest thing unless there is this unless there is as this goes 1497 02:08:52,98 --> 02:08:53,49 forward 1498 02:08:53,94 --> 02:09:02,95 a substantive different point that is not in this very hearing. We'll 1499 02:09:02,96 --> 02:09:09,89 see if maybe we can come up with something here but we'll 1500 02:09:10,22 --> 02:09:15,75 try and come up with something in the next. Week. 1501 02:09:18,23 --> 02:09:23,90 OK So we'll we'll come up with something and if we need to do anything it'll we'll 1502 02:09:23,91 --> 02:09:30,50 try to bring up next week for further direction. OK. 1503 02:09:35,76 --> 02:09:40,71 We don't have any additional agenda items the seasoning so we're trying.