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I think really. Good evening everyone
I like to call the session the call

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to order this session the car park city
council Well the clerk please call the roll

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mayor Stewart here council member Cobar
council member Deval council member caustic

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council member Siemens Council Member
Smith council members here see. Three

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and I'm realizing I
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In the blue that I got it thank you had too
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me OK. Looking at our agenda
items moving forward on.

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Next week is no meeting because it's the
Fourth of July I hope everybody will

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come out and watch the parade as
well as join. The Crossroads food

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market on an street and I hear there is

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a corn on the cob eating contest. Yes

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. Yeah yeah definitely So
that is next Wednesday.

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On Monday July ninth we're having the one
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regarding the Tacoma junction project
and we'll get into more discussion what

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that's going to look like in

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a moment on Wednesday July eleventh we're
back here at seven thirty pm Our voting

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session it will be

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a single reading ordinance authorizing
award of the F Y nineteen community grants

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and tentatively

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a resolution appointing the Tacoma poor
poet laureate our work sessions discussion

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of resolution regarding the Tacoma junction
site plan and as we've said before

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a draft of that should be posted sometime
next week. And then on Wednesday July

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eighteenth we have seven thirty
again here voting session

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a single reading ordinance a warning

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a contract for Lincoln Avenue sidewalk
construction first reading ordinance

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authorizing the F Y twenty one
thousand budget amendment number one

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a resolution authorizing the
temporary closure of an street for

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a night market our work
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a discussion of the formation of

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a legal services review group and discussion
of legislative priorities to submit to

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the Marilyn Municipal League then on
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a voting session that night will be

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a resolution regarding the Tacoma
junctions I plan second reading ordinance

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authorizing F Y twenty one thousand
budget amendment number one

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a resolution authorizing submission of
legislative action requests to the Maryland

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Musa Belleek and

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a resolution setting forth the city
council's summer recess so that will be our

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last meeting. Until early September and
we will come back on September fifth.

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The next thing we managed to show
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a clip of the Regarding the I can shine
campaign that was held last week I can

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shine is an international charitable nonprofit
organization that collaborates with

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local organization to conduct

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a five day I can programs serving nearly
three thousand people with disabilities

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each year as we have in previous
years to come parks or as

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a collaborating organization for the
five day program geared towards teaching

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people with disabilities to ride conventional
two wheel bicycles the impact of

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learning to ride

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a bicycle independently in the high
level success in helping people with

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disabilities accomplish this feat continues
to drive demand for our I can program

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and so we're going to show this just this
short clip to your. New this morning

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learning to ride a bike can be a scary
process for a child especially one who has

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a disability but a camp and Tacoma
Park is helping kids ride away with

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a newfound confidence D.V.M.

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Joins us now live with the eye
to seventy news room with

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a story. Ross that I can buy camp gift
kids guess kids the skills they need to

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learn a new form of Frida. Or
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a bike for years although it's only been

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a few days. He's

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part of the I can bike camp that teaches
kids with disabilities how to gain more

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independence the volunteers help
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a bike I can same bike have
a roller which is like

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a kitchen rolling pin on the back and
we have various sizes of that that we

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exchange or change in and
out the other week. For

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a child that is. He's to get hit by. Her

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rider spend seventy five
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a week owning their skills and by
the end of the camp they've learned

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a lot more than how to write

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a fight we see positive changes to their
lives and think. That they can do things

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that they thought were hard things they've
never been able to try before they're

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excited and proud of themselves and
succeed here goes from this to this he's

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realizing he can do anything
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just keep try. Thank you he's

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a smart kid and the camp also has other
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reporting live in the I two seventy NEWSROOM.
Thank you and also in that video two

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of our city staffers helping out at the
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been doing it for the last few years.
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the purple line and we have

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a presentation this evening. We
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The stranger to the purple line we were
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this long I think we're both about the same
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so. And you have

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a nice selection of purple where. Welcome.

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I think you got it OK good
even Mike Madden I work for

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M.T.A.

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Maryland Transit Administration
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project director of the purple line and
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it since its very inception way back

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a long time because. So
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a pile of briefing and just
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mostly after talking to Ross.
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the Tacoma Park Langley Park area that
you will or most interested in I would

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assume. In terms of how it's
construction going on at this point.

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So just as a reminder purple line is

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a light rail line sixteen miles it
extends from downtown but on the West.

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All the way to the east to New Carrollton
obviously along the way the purple line

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connects to. A number of major
activity centers employment. Goes

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right through the heart of the University
of Maryland campus which was no easy task

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. But which or were achieving that twenty
one stations along the way purple line

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also connects to the metro rail
line. The red line you have

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a direct elevator connection from
the purple line. Down to the new

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south in southern entrance to the Metro
red line. And then we connect into the

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SO OVER spring transit center we connect
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Continue east along

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a couple miles of University Boulevard
and eventually come into. The green

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line after going through the campus of the
University of Maryland and then extends

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further east to the New Carrollton metro
station we also connect to all three of

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Maryland's Mark commuter rail lines
it's over spring at College Park in New

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Carrollton and of course the
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So the project purple line. M.T.A.

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We completed what we called poll
marriage in airing. Back around.

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Twenty eleven twenty
twelve or so. And then.

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Maryland Department of
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Carried out

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a very comprehensive study in terms of
trying to figure out what is the best read

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route what is the best way to actually
deliver the project as you know M.T.A.

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Does not operate. Transit service
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area except for commuter buses
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a number of reasons including accountability
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And the fact that it didn't
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a whole additional
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. To build and operate the
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a public private partnership
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a while where we. Put out

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a. Request for interest. And
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the different companies narrowed down we
narrow them down from six to four and then

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we went through a very fair all evaluation
process and eventually some selected

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a group that calls themselves purple
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a contract with them was approved by the
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thousand and sixteen now these purple
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a lot of very large
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lot of engineering companies.
All kinds of different.

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Contractors engineering companies
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the purple line complete
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a taking are pulling an area designed
to final design build the project and

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actually operate the project and maintain
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financing that's not free money that was
money for us to be able to build it within

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a certain period of time. If we
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funding. Basically in time to
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so. There was a I'm sure
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a lawsuit that the laid the
project for almost exactly

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a year but we've been purchasing right away
since two thousand and fourteen when we

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received the record of decision and so
that that process is nearly complete

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We're began construction our contractors
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time the project is expected to be
completed in up and run in sometime in two

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thousand and twenty two so. Not sure
how Cleary could see this drawing

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but I wanted to cover. The Long Branch
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interest in over. Over on the left is.

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Where the purple line goes into

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a tunnel it's only eleven hundred twelve
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the top of

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a hill of purple line runs along the
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right after cluster creek that
grade gets too steep for even

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a light rail vehicle to operate on so we
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middle of when ave it goes off.
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a tunnel so there will be

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a station right there where the tunnel
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Manchester place station that
is under construction now that.

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Tunnel which we've for two as the Plymouth
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close under flower Avenue and just
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that portion of it is closed. The
purple line. Has the eastern poor

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ole were where the vehicles will come out
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For people who are not familiar the big
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John is the giant Yes grocery store.
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along the edge of Arliss street we have

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a station at the just before the
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alignment then goes back out on
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a Piney Branch purple line operates
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Piney Piney Branch obviously along there
we have to widen the roadway could get.

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Purple and then continues. Along pony
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Onto University Boulevard and we have

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a station just on the east side of the
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purple line then continues along the
middle of university beloved art.

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Until it reaches. The the Tacoma
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center. With which urban hit here had

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a lot to do with. So.
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we have

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a Purple Line station in the middle of the
road. People will be able to go across

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signalized intersections where there are
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. The bus transfer center there
purple line and crosses New Hampshire

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Avenue and continuous east along
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a cross section of University Boulevard. I
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all of you do but we worked

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a long time with state highway administration
we were concerned with the fact that

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University Boulevard has three lanes of
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sure it's a very. Has

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a really serious problem with pedestrian
fatalities pedestrian accidents we were

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concerned that we would come in and widen
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in each direction. For that reason and
for the fact that we would have had

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a lot more displacements specially businesses
along University Boulevard we were

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able to do traffic studies and convince
state highway. To let us convert two lanes

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of traffic to the dedicated purple line
lanes now we still have to why is now.

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A good bit along University Book Boulevard
especially where we have stations and

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things like that we are reconstruction
the entire University Boulevard

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roadway we are adding bicycle
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We're providing obviously we're
replacing sidewalks in some areas

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especially all along the stations we
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we can we provided

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a green buffer between the curb and sidewalk
that all depends on the right of way

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refuge areas for at the cross
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signalized intersections we provide well
marked cross walks along with the but

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Esther in Countdown signals. And
fencing especially in station areas

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all got all directed to basically
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at the intersection. So what the vehicle

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that the purple line transit partners will
be bringing operate on for the purple

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line is design design it
will be constructed by Caf

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of they actually or. A company
in Spain the components or

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B.M.A.

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Will be made in Spain and they will
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in Elmira currently the design is
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a vehicle that's about one hundred
forty feet long. We originally

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. When we were first working on the
project assumed that the vehicle would be

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similar to Charlotte or some of those other
cities in which case those vehicles or

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one hundred twenty feet long we figured
it would be two of those vehicles hooked

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together to basically meet the demand
but instead this vehicle is one vehicle

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actually one hundred feet long I'm sorry
this vehicle is one hundred forty nine

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feet long but we only need to use
one of them to meet the demand

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it's almost entirely low floor so the
platforms themselves are fourteen

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inches high people there will be wide open
doors people being to walk across right

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into the vehicle be able to take your
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onto the vehicle. And if it also is

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a five modular unit meaning it
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pretty easily. So what to
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a lot of things that we notify the
community or businesses whatever

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which include Will any lane
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Weekend work because our the contractors
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five during the week day they basically
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able to put out it advance notice if they
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most cases that is. Pretty must
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on

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a Saturday. Obviously maintaining
safe access for pedestrians certainly

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was at the fourth row front of our
design but it also is key during

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construction there is

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a lot of disruption out there. A lot of
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so we have to maintain access to all the
residences and all the businesses. Can

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still get around. Obviously we
have going coordination with both

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Montgomery County and Prince George's
County State Highway Administration all the

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other transit operators within the
quarter. All throughout their

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construction of there is

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a whole host of requirements that the
contractors have to carry out in terms of

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environmental monitoring noise monitoring
vibration monitoring erosion It said I'm

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a control monitoring and all that's part
of our job and our resident engineers

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to oversee that they are complying with
all the technical provisions included in

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the contract. Also obviously
important to all of us

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is. Close coordination with the
businesses we know they're very concerned

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about what happens during construction.
And we we're working very

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closely with them and well throughout
construction. To base basically meet their

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needs whether it's has to do with deliveries
access to their business or whatever

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construction work hours as I said or during
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night shifts for certain work such as at
the tunnel typical night shift is from

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eight to four thirty lane closures
we try to avoid the peak periods for

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those. In terms of the tunnel
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Was closed between flower and Walton that
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a couple years you tell it he relocations
in that area have already begun and will

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continue for

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a while. Because of the
concern of giant food

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and the community in terms of continuing
to have easy access there and also for

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their delivery trucks. We worked
with state highway in the county to

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provide

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a temporary entrance directly from
Flower Avenue down to the giant food

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parking area. That was open
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Tolling work actually began. In the
spring of twenty eighteen right now it

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already. Consists of twenty four
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a week. There may be some blasting needed
that would happen inside the tunnel

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of there or requirements in terms of
who to notify in advance if that is

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necessary. Which may begin
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large appends on what kind of where they
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this is a fairly recent photo. About

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a week ago or so they actually broke
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building all the infrastructure at the
tunnel entrance so they have started

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the tunnel portion of this so what happens
is at the Western and over off of

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Wayne Avenue. They are building.
The underground station the

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Manchester station but in terms of the
tunneling that is taking place from the

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eastern end. In the giant parking lot

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so all the Culkin soil and all that
nice stuff will be taken out of

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the tunnel from the east and then and
then there or does it need it haul routes

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that those trucks have to follow. And we've
heard some from some residents in Long

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Branch and sometimes some of the some sub
contractors don't get the message or they

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forget and they drive on

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a part of Florida that they're
not suppose. So that's

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a continuing reminder. To the
contractors out here. Construction

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update beyond the tunnel. Punny branch
road up to the Tacoma Langley transit

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center. The Domino's pizza that was
to close that that's been demolished.

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The make a marsh which
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a bowling alley. That that's

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a former Megamind because there
it moved down yes yes yes and

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a former bowling alley. So it's had

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a few lives so that actually is way
too close. To university but all of

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our That already is own by.
And in the near future that

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will be demolished and along with the
auto repair smaller repair next to it

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and that area there will
be used. Temporarily as

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a construction staging
equipment area. Cutting

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utility relocations are ongoing along
University Boulevard they actually will will

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start on the east side and run up along
the west along to the west of long West

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University poll of our site preparation
and things like that truck traffic signal

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reconstruction re timing and then the new

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a few new intersections all that will
occur within the next six months phased

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replacement of the of the university
people of four bridge over the Northwest

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branch will happen this fall
that's actually. A pretty

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complicated construction because there
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it will be

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a series of three bridges. One in one
direction for the traffic one for the purple

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line in the middle and then one in the
other direction for the traffic. Obviously

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there's

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a lot of county and Metro bus. Stops along

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the way and number of those have to be
relocated so we are working with the various

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transit agencies. To make that

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a seamless as possible. This is just
another photo of that area that's

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where utility. Relocation
is happening and also

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a tree clearing. In terms of
utility work. And what they

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do is they relocate the overhead lines
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Then they work in local works.
And where necessary they have

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to close lanes and they work on underground
utilities. And it's actually we have

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agreements with all the M.T.A.

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Has agreements with all of the utility
companies. Including some of our best

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friends like to say. And those

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agreements spell out who does the design
whether they do it or we have our contact

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the contractor to do it. Obviously all
the design of the new utilities have to

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be follow their criteria and then who
does the construction but actually

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they are responsible for because they
wanted to to be the ones that notify people

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of any service interruptions Now I know
that businesses are very concerned about

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that. But at this point our
contractors do not see any long term

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interruptions when they are. Splice
things together and all the. Utility

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may be shut off for an hour or two
but it but obviously their job is

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to minimize any of those
disruptions. Pedestrian safety

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which we all know as is. Key.
Along many entire university

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Bill of our Long Branch
areas. There will be clearly

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marked the tours where we have to
relocate a pedestrian way whether that's

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a sidewalk or whatever when closures occur
we have to provide alternate routes.

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Pedestrian access as I mentioned before
has to be maintained all residences and

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businesses work zones will clearly be
marked and of course we encourage but

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extremes to obey construction signage
and stay out of works which. Hasn't

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always happened already the.
Community Outreach. As you know we

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have been carrying out M.T.A.

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Has what we call community
advisory teams. We have eight of

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these cat groups along the
sixteen miles. We've held

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two rounds of the meetings with
all any of those cats were taking

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a break in the summer. And where you will
be restarting those in the early fall.

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Those or case you don't know what we did
is we worked with the counties and other

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local municipalities to identify
all of the community associations

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large civic groups business
groups whatever along the in

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each of those eight areas. Roughly
we're talking about at least

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a mile out of the purple line
alignment and we requested that they

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designate someone from their
association or group of to be

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a cat member and also to appoint an alternate
who could attend meetings along with

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them or. In place of them.
So the cat members.

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Sit. Sort of

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a front table. The meetings are
specifically intended for them for us to

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give them information for them to give us
feedback ask questions but these meetings

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are also open to the general public
and we always provide time to

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answer their questions also.
Business outreach and coordination

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are purple and transit
partners and the M.T.A.

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We basically take what we call case
management approach you know we we have held

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meetings with this like the Long Branch
business Lee other groups but it's really

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hard to reach into virtual businesses and
really the only way to do that is is to

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meet with them when they're available on
an individual basis find out what they are

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concerned about. In terms of delivery
access things like that and work with the

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contractors. To minimize impacts
to their operations as much as we

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can our goal obviously is to help them
survive during this rough disruption

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of so that they can basically
reap the benefits of more people

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more customers once the purple line is
up and running. Part of what we will

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be able to do is provide open for business
signs different things like that both

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counties require in the
midst of. Providing

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some funding to do some additional
signage and things like that this is not

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financial. Compensation or
anything but it could be technical

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assistance it could be. Signage maybe
banners farther out than just that their

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business where we would provide signage
different things like that maybe facade

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improvements. So both like Emery County
where we were starting to work with them.

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So we coordinate together so we are not
doing the same thing we can kind of

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piggyback on each other and. Prince George's
hasn't quite gotten under way but they

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also have

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a small amount of funds. To help us
work with the businesses. Construction

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there is a construction
in mail there's also

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a hotline that operates twenty four hours

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a day so you can contact them what I
would encourage you to see it's on here.

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For construction updates if you
go to the purple line website.

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And there that will direct you
to sign up for notifications

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whether it's in the university Bill of our
Long Branch area or whether it's for all

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air eight areas along the sixteen miles
you will receive e-mail or text whatever

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you choose and receive notification
that those notifications or just for

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specific worked out activity that could
basically just drop your trash travel or

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whatever it's not every time they go out
there and they're off the side of the road

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and. Relocating here tell it or you're
taken to treat you're not notified but

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anything significant of significance or
you will be notified obviously you can

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also contact them if you have questions
or concerns about construction. Can also

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contact. Our M.T.A.

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Outreach group. And may directly
and we also have obviously

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we also have phone or able to
translate for the Spanish speaking

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population so please feel
free to ask me any questions.

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As long as they're going to her job.
Or draw out my old memory to match

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Great well thank you very much for that
overview I think I'll turn the first over

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to councilman's here see. How Mike Oh I
know you know I'm good how are you doing

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good first I want to say thank you
so much for not only in T.N.A.

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But also purple on transit partners.
Engaging with the community I've

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had an opportunity to participate in

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a couple of cat meetings. And it's it's.
Wonderful to see that the feedback that

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the community is providing that you all
are taking action on those on those

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concerns so thank you very much for that
and I appreciate the time and attention

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that you all of specifically to Langley
Park area. A couple quick questions so

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one thing. That has come up is the
staging areas and I know that there is

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a limited amount of space and there are
some places that you mentioned during your

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presentation that has already been I
you know designated as staging so at

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university and Piney Branch you guys have
already acquired land for that in some

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space along Arliss has already been pretty
pretty identified in the Crossroads area

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in Langley Park there there isn't. Like

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a pretty identifying or an aging area and
so I know that there's been some talk. Of

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perhaps using like the seven eleven corner
or the like and so one question I have

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for you is you know how would we be notified
about in those areas where you don't

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have pre-designated staging areas how we
go about one being notified of you know

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identified staging areas that maybe were
not on initial maps and to if there are

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concerns by businesses of having you know

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a staging area in there and there are
lots which my actually impact. You know

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patron at their business
and I know you've done

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a lot with giant you know what recourse
what we have to kind of sit down with you

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all to kind of talk through what some
options may be kind of stand you know there

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are some places where you all have enough
space to stay but you don't have space

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along the entire stretch so you may have
to use some Latino I mean for University

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Boulevard the primary stage in your
ears right there. At the corner of

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Piney Branch in university with step
building goes down that will be

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a pretty large area so while we did in
the beginning was to go through our

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construction engineers and all went through
the sixteen miles and where we had to

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purchase right away and where we could
purchase enough and where that could be in

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a location that is not right
next well in one case it is.

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Next to residences but as much
as we can so since M.T.A.

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Carried out the right
away process we purchased

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a nice man or some cases bought the
property whatever we had to do to

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provide what we thought felt was sufficient
staging area for the contractors so.

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What we have out there today that's it
there is there are staging areas obviously

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in Prince George's County especially

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a very large one where we we will be
building of the rail the main Braille yard

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although there isn't another rail yard
at least in Seville. So if there are any

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additional those would have to be purchased
and paid for by Purple Line transit

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partners. And my guess is they'd
rather save money. Now that's

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not to say that somewhere down the line
they need to. Purchase the property but

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they just can't go plot their equipment
they want to plan and that's junk anywhere

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they feel like they have to have

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a right of entry they have to have an
easement in place or own the property to do

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that so. Obviously if there are
additional as they continue

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their construction if there's some additional
space they need they would coordinate

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that with us and we certainly would let you
know and again we. You know we would be

444
00:42:24,63 --> 00:42:30,56
very careful as to where that would be
located and so if there are you know on like

445
00:42:30,63 --> 00:42:34,61
construction day tear and stuff you
know it wouldn't be the case that large

446
00:42:34,62 --> 00:42:39,31
equipment would be stored on you know
business harking lives while you all are

447
00:42:39,32 --> 00:42:44,22
working you know now they could be
stored along the side of a road. In

448
00:42:44,23 --> 00:42:51,21
a works. But I doubt if that would be
very large equipment. You know that

449
00:42:51,25 --> 00:42:57,01
there would be substantial there if it
would have to be fenced off and identified

450
00:42:57,02 --> 00:43:02,96
as that works out in the public right
away but that's we don't we can't step on

451
00:43:03,00 --> 00:43:06,75
private property a less
we have a or some kind of

452
00:43:06,76 --> 00:43:12,93
a right right of entry matter what are.
Thank you for clarifying that. One other

453
00:43:12,94 --> 00:43:19,61
question I know we talked at length
about pedestrian safety along you know

454
00:43:19,62 --> 00:43:25,61
particularly in Langley Park along University
Boulevard and the fact that there are

455
00:43:25,62 --> 00:43:30,30
quite long blocks and the fencing and you
did mention that the fencing would remain

456
00:43:30,30 --> 00:43:36,60
. Will have to be replaced will have to be
replaced. But you know one of the things

457
00:43:36,61 --> 00:43:40,61
that we did chat about or at least were
bringing up during the last cat was the

458
00:43:40,62 --> 00:43:46,77
possibility of perhaps more intersections
to perhaps kind of break up.

459
00:43:48,20 --> 00:43:49,60
The need to walk

460
00:43:49,64 --> 00:43:54,79
a long distance before you would actually
be able to cross the street in order to

461
00:43:54,80 --> 00:44:00,27
either go to the businesses on either side
or the residences on either side or you

462
00:44:00,28 --> 00:44:05,84
know go to the train. Has
there been any additional.

463
00:44:06,91 --> 00:44:12,52
Discussion about the length
of some of the current.

464
00:44:13,81 --> 00:44:17,39
Blocks and which are the distances in
which pedestrians would have to travel

465
00:44:17,40 --> 00:44:23,52
between intersections before they even
across the street well let me say this. You

466
00:44:23,53 --> 00:44:29,74
know there. We worked we continue
to work with state highway were for

467
00:44:29,92 --> 00:44:36,53
a long time with them and in certain
areas Lloyd Gilbert street lots of

468
00:44:37,10 --> 00:44:41,98
people so walk if you have an intersection
there well state highway wouldn't allow

469
00:44:41,99 --> 00:44:48,72
it it's too close to the other one so we
put in an intersection. Approved by state

470
00:44:48,73 --> 00:44:52,13
highway at sea claim that will be

471
00:44:52,14 --> 00:44:57,51
a new intersection so there or I think
along University poll of our There's about

472
00:44:57,52 --> 00:45:04,38
five new intersections. But.
At the same time we are

473
00:45:04,42 --> 00:45:10,27
operating a train we don't want to
have to stop every few blocks like

474
00:45:10,28 --> 00:45:16,29
a boss. So I would say
we've reached our limit.

475
00:45:18,26 --> 00:45:24,93
And then the last question I know
previously there was. A discussion

476
00:45:24,94 --> 00:45:29,04
about the new sidewalks along the stretch
and I know that that was one question

477
00:45:29,05 --> 00:45:34,06
that I asked along the stretch of the
route because of the need to expand

478
00:45:34,07 --> 00:45:38,70
particularly University Boulevard could
we expect to get new sidewalks on both

479
00:45:38,71 --> 00:45:43,30
sides of the street and it sounds as if
Or at least what you presented today was

480
00:45:43,31 --> 00:45:50,21
that it would depend so you will
have. Sidewalks on both sides of

481
00:45:50,22 --> 00:45:55,83
University poll over the whole length of
university pullover that they will be what

482
00:45:55,92 --> 00:45:57,41
state highway requires

483
00:45:57,59 --> 00:46:03,59
a five foot sidewalk.
Compliant. Station areas.

484
00:46:06,38 --> 00:46:12,10
Along some of the sidewalks will be wider
than that. Where we can OK and I lied I

485
00:46:12,11 --> 00:46:17,64
said that was my last question one more
and. He's used to me asking questions Mrs

486
00:46:17,65 --> 00:46:24,63
Mayer you know allow her
to do. So I know that we

487
00:46:24,64 --> 00:46:27,74
talked about green buffers. What

488
00:46:27,83 --> 00:46:33,87
a green buffer is and having more trees
along the route and I know that initially

489
00:46:33,88 --> 00:46:38,92
it was we don't know if that's in the budget
but today you mentioned where possible

490
00:46:39,59 --> 00:46:45,83
there would be green you know more green
scaping in green buffers and I know that

491
00:46:45,84 --> 00:46:48,90
you all may not be at the stage I know
that you were talking on nationally about

492
00:46:49,10 --> 00:46:52,56
meeting with your your landscape
architect content just to try to get

493
00:46:52,57 --> 00:46:58,60
a better feel for where those green buffers
are going to be along the route when

494
00:46:58,61 --> 00:46:59,62
could we expect to get

495
00:46:59,63 --> 00:47:04,86
a better idea of kind of like what that
green steeping is I don't want you to.

496
00:47:07,03 --> 00:47:12,71
Misunderstand what I'm saying. In terms
of green buffers that's basically

497
00:47:13,55 --> 00:47:20,28
where the either exists today or
whether we we're all wired to

498
00:47:20,29 --> 00:47:27,04
now and there's room for we're
not able to go by right

499
00:47:27,09 --> 00:47:33,89
additional right away just to put
in the green buffer. So and we're

500
00:47:33,90 --> 00:47:40,88
also putting you know five foot bike lanes
which further winds things along along

501
00:47:41,38 --> 00:47:47,40
University the weights of university below
are so. You know I can't tell you where

502
00:47:47,41 --> 00:47:54,09
the green buffers or the landscaping
is primarily. Around station

503
00:47:54,10 --> 00:48:00,74
areas it is we're not able
to. You know plenty of

504
00:48:00,75 --> 00:48:05,46
trees along the whole point two mile
link to an after mile link the Buner

505
00:48:05,72 --> 00:48:07,99
University Boulevard we do have

506
00:48:08,00 --> 00:48:14,93
a landscape plant. We can you can either
come into our office we can go over that

507
00:48:14,94 --> 00:48:18,29
or we could come back here. And have

508
00:48:18,30 --> 00:48:24,88
a short presentation on the landscape
player that would be great if we could have

509
00:48:24,92 --> 00:48:29,86
a I'm willing to do either but I do want
to make sure that we're not in essence

510
00:48:29,87 --> 00:48:33,64
creating the heat island where having you
know the trains and the bike lanes are

511
00:48:33,65 --> 00:48:38,60
great but if we don't have any shade along
the sidewalks then it can be really

512
00:48:38,61 --> 00:48:42,42
challenging for residents and if there are
things that you know I mentioned before

513
00:48:42,62 --> 00:48:46,31
you know that we could work together if
the issue is you know you all would have

514
00:48:46,32 --> 00:48:49,73
the capacity to plant more trees because
you have the ground open you just don't

515
00:48:49,74 --> 00:48:53,86
have the trees that might be something that
we can kind of talking about when we do

516
00:48:53,86 --> 00:48:57,84
. We have a tight budget and we there is

517
00:48:57,92 --> 00:49:04,50
a. Finite number of trees to be planted in
other words we don't have extra ones to

518
00:49:05,38 --> 00:49:05,87
give out

519
00:49:05,88 --> 00:49:10,60
a player and it's hard to find it depends
on where it is but it's hard to find

520
00:49:10,61 --> 00:49:17,54
space. To provide trees but
we would be. Glad I mean it

521
00:49:17,55 --> 00:49:19,99
would be easier if

522
00:49:20,00 --> 00:49:26,33
a group of you come into our office in
Riverdale. And you can we can roll out the

523
00:49:26,34 --> 00:49:30,24
maps and you can look at them and ask
questions yeah that would be great sir thank

524
00:49:30,25 --> 00:49:33,46
you thank councilman BELL Yeah thanks

525
00:49:34,20 --> 00:49:40,20
a lot of my questions that was about bike
lanes so you're already halfway done my

526
00:49:40,21 --> 00:49:46,33
only question has to do with
construction timing of construction

527
00:49:47,03 --> 00:49:50,89
to meet the needs of
businesses you could use

528
00:49:50,90 --> 00:49:55,61
a little bit more about it it may may be
that you're not at that point yet but in

529
00:49:55,62 --> 00:50:02,60
the Langley area specifically
what are you doing to accommodate

530
00:50:02,61 --> 00:50:09,37
the need to businesses during the
construction. Well if it really

531
00:50:09,38 --> 00:50:15,51
varies by area I mean. We have
been working with businesses.

532
00:50:16,96 --> 00:50:23,92
For instance on policy street. Because
that street is being torn up pretty soon.

533
00:50:25,35 --> 00:50:30,63
So it all depends on the area where you
know University Boulevard you know there's

534
00:50:30,73 --> 00:50:37,45
really not that much going on oh we.
Have to make sure we get out there

535
00:50:37,75 --> 00:50:44,16
before the construction actually starts.
And you know there's lots of businesses

536
00:50:45,02 --> 00:50:51,22
along University Boulevard and other places
and what we try to do is identify those

537
00:50:51,23 --> 00:50:58,13
that we feel would be. Impacted the
greatest possible and and meet with

538
00:50:58,14 --> 00:51:04,17
them. Work with the when there are two
livers take place whatever whatever concerns

539
00:51:04,18 --> 00:51:11,09
they have can not. The case
give you an exact date when

540
00:51:11,16 --> 00:51:17,31
when the one happens. But obviously
we'd like your input or.

541
00:51:18,91 --> 00:51:25,75
You know who were those businesses.
Back several years ago we

542
00:51:25,82 --> 00:51:32,57
did have we did walk. From business to
business to business and there was.

543
00:51:33,86 --> 00:51:40,05
Roughly six hundred businesses altogether
along the sixteen miles of that

544
00:51:40,86 --> 00:51:45,77
are close enough to purple only
construction that they could be impacted.

545
00:51:47,75 --> 00:51:54,49
But that list is probably pretty
outdated So we're attempting to

546
00:51:54,77 --> 00:52:01,40
basically update and get out soon as
soon as we can so as you get closer to

547
00:52:01,41 --> 00:52:08,28
construction your particular area we need
to be with at that point OK yes it's

548
00:52:09,23 --> 00:52:14,58
based on the schedule and we need to
go out with they have two years to the

549
00:52:14,59 --> 00:52:20,83
businesses we need to know how it's
construction be carried out at what exactly is

550
00:52:20,84 --> 00:52:27,78
happening. Now something caustic. Thank
you for the presentation it was really

551
00:52:27,79 --> 00:52:30,36
helpful to see everything on
the map and to kind of get

552
00:52:30,40 --> 00:52:36,43
a big picture of it I'm wondering how
you are coordinating with the. Other

553
00:52:36,47 --> 00:52:39,78
construction projects going on
we'll be working on the floor of

554
00:52:39,79 --> 00:52:43,60
a new Green Street Project for example and
I'm sure there may be utility worker or

555
00:52:43,61 --> 00:52:47,43
other projects on nearby streets at the
same time as you're doing some of this

556
00:52:47,44 --> 00:52:51,39
construction so how are you working
to coordinate so that there is

557
00:52:51,43 --> 00:52:53,87
a general flow of traffic
and you don't cause

558
00:52:53,88 --> 00:53:00,41
a great jam up in any location the that
actually is is. The job of our purple and

559
00:53:00,42 --> 00:53:05,91
tourism partners to coordinate.
And. Obviously it but.

560
00:53:07,73 --> 00:53:11,17
All of us are working closely
with the construction to take

561
00:53:11,18 --> 00:53:17,62
a place where they. Took down the apex
building and building in three high rises

562
00:53:18,11 --> 00:53:24,98
at the. That's very complicated
of. Connecticut Avenue

563
00:53:24,99 --> 00:53:31,67
there's ongoing development. First of all
the south side of the alignment and soon

564
00:53:31,68 --> 00:53:38,33
on the north side Oh if if I
mean I'm aware of several

565
00:53:38,37 --> 00:53:44,83
things you all are doing. A
particular flower Avenue. If you can

566
00:53:45,61 --> 00:53:51,97
have the person the project manager or
whoever contact me I will make sure that our

567
00:53:52,49 --> 00:53:57,86
team reaches out to make sure I mean I
don't think we're doing anything actually

568
00:53:57,90 --> 00:54:04,86
own flower right but we should be aware
of what's happening there because you

569
00:54:04,87 --> 00:54:09,23
know we don't want to mess up traffic any
more than there will be messed up that

570
00:54:09,24 --> 00:54:13,01
would be great I think even if you're
not directly working on that street or

571
00:54:13,02 --> 00:54:16,75
detouring cars on the streets there's there
if there is congestion people will just

572
00:54:16,76 --> 00:54:20,94
be looking for an alternative route they
need to be aware of it for sure and I'm

573
00:54:20,95 --> 00:54:27,66
sorry Susie I thought that the
whole list all of. The come

574
00:54:27,67 --> 00:54:30,79
apart projects have been shared
with the team and there was

575
00:54:30,80 --> 00:54:33,21
a meeting and so I think
there's there's quite

576
00:54:33,22 --> 00:54:37,20
a nation that has been happening that was
there was some time ago but you know one

577
00:54:37,21 --> 00:54:41,05
of the things that happens with these
projects is time the projects slip and change

578
00:54:41,06 --> 00:54:46,63
schedule so we need to go back around and
give the updated time and then. I was

579
00:54:46,64 --> 00:54:52,52
like oh my god like him and what would
help or or to identify the project limits

580
00:54:52,89 --> 00:54:56,98
you know because the website
is so slow or avenue it gave

581
00:54:56,99 --> 00:55:02,59
a distance but I was. And sure it goes
with any brains Yeah OK great. Thank you.

582
00:55:05,23 --> 00:55:12,11
Thank you thanks for the. Curious about
one thing this is read by resident

583
00:55:12,12 --> 00:55:13,17
Ward one I think it's

584
00:55:13,18 --> 00:55:17,41
a good question Have you noticed or do you
anticipate maybe it's too soon in the

585
00:55:17,42 --> 00:55:22,66
schedule that there could be an increase
in costs associated with higher prices for

586
00:55:22,67 --> 00:55:27,28
steel and how that would come into play
and would that affect you know the budget

587
00:55:27,29 --> 00:55:34,18
for trees or for assistance to
businesses and so on. Firstly

588
00:55:34,19 --> 00:55:41,03
I'm not worried about that because. They
have already bet on the project and

589
00:55:41,04 --> 00:55:46,75
if that. Could increase the cost of the
project so they're required to do what

590
00:55:46,76 --> 00:55:51,40
they're required to do for
them for the price. You talked

591
00:55:51,41 --> 00:55:58,20
a lot about. Just to go.
To reiterate that. We

592
00:55:58,21 --> 00:55:58,87
signed

593
00:55:59,28 --> 00:56:05,74
a five point six billion dollar
contract. And that takes us

594
00:56:06,71 --> 00:56:12,95
through five six years of construction
testing commission in thirty years of

595
00:56:12,96 --> 00:56:18,73
operation so we the state
of Maryland. One of the

596
00:56:19,57 --> 00:56:25,08
benefits or one of the reasons why we went.
TO THE WANTED to deliver the project

597
00:56:25,09 --> 00:56:32,02
through this mechanism is then we
know the cost. So you know that

598
00:56:32,03 --> 00:56:35,90
changes a lot and that's
just on on them to absorb

599
00:56:36,53 --> 00:56:43,30
a lost something overfull. Just
kind of. Given the question

600
00:56:43,52 --> 00:56:47,06
really. You talked

601
00:56:47,07 --> 00:56:53,69
a lot about the impact on. The businesses
is there any other any steps being taken

602
00:56:53,70 --> 00:56:58,64
terms of the impact on on homeowners
either. Noise and things like that

603
00:56:58,65 --> 00:57:05,48
affordability those kinds of things
that fall under your. Area. Well it

604
00:57:05,52 --> 00:57:12,38
again it all depends where where
we're talking about. You know for

605
00:57:12,39 --> 00:57:17,55
instance along the. Three point
one mile Georgetown bridge.

606
00:57:19,07 --> 00:57:24,10
Neighbors encroached into that right away
because it was left there for years. We

607
00:57:24,11 --> 00:57:30,81
in the county worked with them
to get fences and. Park and

608
00:57:30,85 --> 00:57:37,65
everything all kinds of things out of the
way of. It and It depends whether we're

609
00:57:37,94 --> 00:57:44,80
purchasing property from them or
if we're gone. You know again just

610
00:57:44,81 --> 00:57:44,98
like

611
00:57:44,99 --> 00:57:51,91
a business. The contractors
work with the homeowners

612
00:57:51,92 --> 00:57:58,67
to watch is the. Last thing the mention
of the utility projects is also the Pepco

613
00:57:58,68 --> 00:58:02,99
work that's coming up in the Silver Spring
it's going to end up right where that

614
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:06,89
comes in by the Silver Spring library so
that should be part of that core yes has

615
00:58:06,90 --> 00:58:12,54
been discussed very much so I've. Got
time to thank you Mayor and thank you for

616
00:58:12,55 --> 00:58:17,64
being here tonight and. Upon the whole
presentation to be very interesting I just

617
00:58:17,65 --> 00:58:22,06
want to thank you and also tell you that
I was particularly interested in hearing

618
00:58:22,31 --> 00:58:27,89
the attention of your teams Paine to
business continuity thinking. Aspect pretty

619
00:58:28,39 --> 00:58:35,38
sure and that was great thank you cast
members many. Thanks Mr Madden appreciate

620
00:58:35,39 --> 00:58:41,36
the presentation this evening. A
few questions. I know this is

621
00:58:41,37 --> 00:58:48,01
a piece three and the actual fair
I guess will be managed by the

622
00:58:48,05 --> 00:58:53,67
private company no it's not sorry to
cut you off so that's next and so.

623
00:58:54,85 --> 00:59:01,77
Will manage the fare structure
Yes OK. This piece three is

624
00:59:01,78 --> 00:59:02,47
not like

625
00:59:02,48 --> 00:59:08,13
a tollway where they earn their. Money from
that they don't earn any money from the

626
00:59:08,14 --> 00:59:10,04
fares M.T.A.

627
00:59:10,05 --> 00:59:16,94
Will collect and establish the
fares OK and if ridership is not

628
00:59:16,99 --> 00:59:22,43
what it's been modeled to be do you
anticipate any change in what those fares are

629
00:59:22,44 --> 00:59:28,81
going to. Eventually be for easier. Well.

630
00:59:32,33 --> 00:59:38,02
I'm not sure how to answer
that in you know the fares on

631
00:59:38,03 --> 00:59:44,79
a light rail system just like a bus. They're
always subsidized it's not like M.T.A.

632
00:59:44,80 --> 00:59:51,29
Is going to make money from operating the
system we know. It will be subsidized

633
00:59:51,30 --> 00:59:57,01
just like metro rail and everything else
does well in the reason I bring it up you

634
00:59:57,02 --> 01:00:01,71
know I've I've heard stories that the
estimates for the right or ship are not as

635
01:00:01,97 --> 01:00:07,05
you know what they really are and so I
just want to make sure that you know users

636
01:00:07,06 --> 01:00:13,13
want to see some big sticker shock when
it comes time for the project to come on

637
01:00:13,14 --> 01:00:18,42
line. No You know we. Have gone through

638
01:00:18,43 --> 01:00:24,45
a lawsuit never being else. And of course
ridership was one of those things that's

639
01:00:24,46 --> 01:00:31,36
been resolved we. Very much believe
in the ridership estimates. Federal

640
01:00:31,67 --> 01:00:37,54
government does too. They may not be exactly
right but they're certainly going to

641
01:00:37,55 --> 01:00:44,37
be in the ballpark Oh right now I cannot
tell you what the fare is. But it will not

642
01:00:44,47 --> 01:00:51,29
be. Eyeball each mileage based
fare like Metro is it will

643
01:00:51,30 --> 01:00:52,99
be where it will work more like

644
01:00:53,00 --> 01:00:59,74
a bus fare. And it certainly
would and should be reasonable

645
01:01:00,38 --> 01:01:07,10
because again it's been subsidized
OK Thank you. Regarding tracking

646
01:01:07,11 --> 01:01:12,99
business. Continuity I think that's excellent
you know you guys are tracking you

647
01:01:13,00 --> 01:01:14,80
know when you have to use in

648
01:01:14,81 --> 01:01:21,13
a domain appreciate that are you guys
tracking. The outflows or the migration of

649
01:01:21,14 --> 01:01:27,22
people that are living in the partnered
buildings that are better around your sites

650
01:01:27,26 --> 01:01:33,46
if these people are moving because of the
anticipated problems or price increases

651
01:01:33,47 --> 01:01:40,20
with the apartments that are near the
purple line oh no that's not really our

652
01:01:40,21 --> 01:01:42,96
business we we certainly hear

653
01:01:43,39 --> 01:01:49,91
a lot of that from residents
homeowners whatever Oh in terms of.

654
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:57,20
Their right going up things like that Oh
and if some cases if there are specific

655
01:01:57,21 --> 01:02:03,55
concerns we may of talk to the county about
that but really that's not part of our

656
01:02:03,64 --> 01:02:08,14
business OK And then one last
question you know it's I'm

657
01:02:08,15 --> 01:02:10,36
a big supporter of light
relict think it's it's

658
01:02:10,37 --> 01:02:16,41
a. Great means of transportation are you
guys thinking about their spurs to connect

659
01:02:16,55 --> 01:02:21,32
different activities centers in the county
just just ific Lima gum or county like

660
01:02:21,33 --> 01:02:26,33
white oak or is that something that you
guys I mean considering that let's That is

661
01:02:26,34 --> 01:02:31,44
not anything we have embarked on I know
in Prince George's County they have.

662
01:02:33,45 --> 01:02:38,77
A concept or at least talked about
extending the purple or even beyond New

663
01:02:38,78 --> 01:02:45,52
Carrollton. But. You know
that's its efficiency

664
01:02:45,53 --> 01:02:52,13
stage OK but but where is THEM TO HAVE
NO All right thank you church. Right

665
01:02:52,77 --> 01:02:58,52
thank you like our questions went beyond
just the other day that's no process near

666
01:02:58,53 --> 01:03:02,71
us so we thank you for staying this evening
in answering questions I'm sure you

667
01:03:02,72 --> 01:03:08,07
have met the new executive. Actor of the
Crossroads Development Authority yes yes

668
01:03:08,37 --> 01:03:13,63
they made that connection you know the old
old one yes. The old although I think

669
01:03:13,64 --> 01:03:20,25
that. We just want to make that connection
I think the only sitting down yes I

670
01:03:20,26 --> 01:03:25,08
think along the way somehow we got kind of
dropped from some of the e-mails during

671
01:03:25,09 --> 01:03:30,27
transitions and we're glad that you were
able to come here this evening and I would

672
01:03:30,28 --> 01:03:35,88
like to just echo councilman Circe. Request
and I think we would love to come to

673
01:03:35,89 --> 01:03:39,47
your office to look at your
landscaping scans as you know we have

674
01:03:39,73 --> 01:03:46,72
a very active tree Commission here in Tacoma
Park and one of our priorities for our

675
01:03:46,73 --> 01:03:51,89
city council is looking at our tree canopy
across our entire city so if there are

676
01:03:51,90 --> 01:03:56,83
some ways that we can connect that priority
to the work that you all are doing and

677
01:03:56,84 --> 01:04:02,10
work together that would be excellent. And
that lead to piggyback on the arts is

678
01:04:02,11 --> 01:04:05,96
that it has public art has been one of those
points that we've been trying to push

679
01:04:05,97 --> 01:04:12,59
for some time as well yes you know each
station will be will look very similar. In

680
01:04:12,60 --> 01:04:17,11
terms of the parts of it the canopy and
all that but each of the twenty one

681
01:04:17,12 --> 01:04:23,99
stations will have its own art and the
artist and their art concepts have

682
01:04:24,00 --> 01:04:30,44
already been selected. And we can
always update you on that too the those

683
01:04:31,11 --> 01:04:37,06
concepts will be referring to but the you
know they have to be early on so that

684
01:04:37,07 --> 01:04:43,45
they are the design of them are integrated
into the design of the station so that

685
01:04:44,11 --> 01:04:44,34
that's

686
01:04:44,35 --> 01:04:49,23
a pretty exciting piece so at least for me
this. Thank you great well we look forward

687
01:04:49,24 --> 01:04:55,23
to hearing from can you get thank you very
much thank you. All right now we will

688
01:04:55,24 --> 01:05:01,89
move onto. Public comments
on our voting items. So

689
01:05:01,99 --> 01:05:05,24
tonight we're going to do first public
comment on voting items The first is the

690
01:05:05,47 --> 01:05:09,76
second reading ordinance authorizing transfer
between the former John Evans Andrew

691
01:05:09,77 --> 01:05:16,24
school and Spring Park. Does anyone
have public comments on that. Yet.

692
01:05:21,69 --> 01:05:28,64
Hi Todd Solomon the mayor circle.
I'm here to ask you hit the

693
01:05:28,65 --> 01:05:34,28
pause button on this ordinance. I know that
at least one citizen this advisory goes

694
01:05:34,29 --> 01:05:34,51
to get

695
01:05:34,52 --> 01:05:40,35
a professional presell. In the swap and
there doesn't seem to be any interest in

696
01:05:40,36 --> 01:05:47,01
doing that. If you don't know what
you're given up so you were essential

697
01:05:47,08 --> 01:05:52,41
punting on your fiduciary obligation but
in addition to that if it turns out we're

698
01:05:52,42 --> 01:05:58,11
giving up land of greater value them
or getting back then you are also.

699
01:05:59,27 --> 01:06:02,17
Giving a gift to a religious
institution and that's

700
01:06:02,18 --> 01:06:08,23
a constitutional violation beast while we
still have the establishment clause so. I

701
01:06:08,24 --> 01:06:12,79
just ask you hit the pause button it
will cost us nothing the parties who are

702
01:06:12,80 --> 01:06:16,26
engaged in the larger transaction
will pay for it the city is not in

703
01:06:16,27 --> 01:06:21,95
a hurry. As far as I know we have no
interest in whether that transaction takes

704
01:06:21,96 --> 01:06:27,68
place now or two or three months from
now. The only thing it will do is get you

705
01:06:27,69 --> 01:06:34,58
guys off the hook to find out that the
end is of equal value. Thanks thank

706
01:06:34,59 --> 01:06:40,55
you. And the other public comments on the
second reading ordinance authorizing

707
01:06:40,56 --> 01:06:44,00
property transfer between the form of John
Evans and your school and Spring Park.

708
01:06:46,57 --> 01:06:50,15
Scene and that will move to
the next voting item which is

709
01:06:50,16 --> 01:06:51,80
a single review ordinance awarding

710
01:06:51,81 --> 01:06:55,31
a contract for flower Avenue
green street construction and

711
01:06:55,32 --> 01:07:01,32
a public comments on that. Right then our
last voting item is the content agenda

712
01:07:01,33 --> 01:07:06,28
with appointments to our arts humanities
committee and our recreation committee.

713
01:07:08,29 --> 01:07:14,65
Ok seen on that we're going to move
in now into our voting session we had

714
01:07:15,24 --> 01:07:19,83
were trying something new with our agenda
item we had requests from some residents

715
01:07:19,84 --> 01:07:24,69
to have particular interest in voting
items to see if we tried doing public

716
01:07:24,70 --> 01:07:29,04
comments on voting items and then went
right into our vote. Session so that

717
01:07:29,36 --> 01:07:33,27
comments and the discussion of it were
closer together so we're trying out this

718
01:07:33,28 --> 01:07:38,36
week to see how it goes so our first moving
to our goading session our first item

719
01:07:38,37 --> 01:07:42,05
is the second reading ordinance authorizing
property transfer between the former

720
01:07:42,06 --> 01:07:48,16
John Evans and your school and spring and.
Over to our city county city manager so

721
01:07:48,17 --> 01:07:54,88
we've had work session background information
and our first meeting on this I don't

722
01:07:54,89 --> 01:08:01,00
know if there's any additional
questions the property is.

723
01:08:03,11 --> 01:08:07,69
Proximate same size between what we would
be giving up and what we would be getting

724
01:08:08,00 --> 01:08:11,98
it regularize is what we had thought
were our properties all along in

725
01:08:11,99 --> 01:08:18,84
a pretext spring and so I urge your vote
for approval if going to questions as. I

726
01:08:18,85 --> 01:08:25,08
said you know just. Two things One
is that you seem to have. The same

727
01:08:25,97 --> 01:08:32,79
if you have an extra but I wanted
to just clarify the size of the

728
01:08:32,83 --> 01:08:39,83
parcel exchange is about eleven
thousand square feet and I

729
01:08:39,84 --> 01:08:46,71
read there right OK. Thank
you. Counseling. Thank

730
01:08:46,72 --> 01:08:50,97
you I just wanted to follow up in regards
to the public comment that was made and

731
01:08:50,98 --> 01:08:53,73
some comments I've been
hearing Can you talk

732
01:08:53,74 --> 01:08:58,96
a little bit about our typical process in.
These sorts of situations where there is

733
01:08:58,97 --> 01:09:04,18
a difference in. The records and we find
out that there is some exchange that needs

734
01:09:04,19 --> 01:09:09,72
to be baited Is it typical to do an appraisal
what sort of process for doing these

735
01:09:09,73 --> 01:09:15,34
things typically and how if we've done it
in this case. Particularly if there is

736
01:09:15,50 --> 01:09:22,33
a significant difference in the
kind of property. Maybe something

737
01:09:22,34 --> 01:09:27,94
that appraisals appropriate if it's taxpaying
property it may be. Place where that

738
01:09:27,95 --> 01:09:31,76
appraisal is appropriate if
there is something that gives

739
01:09:31,80 --> 01:09:34,56
a financial benefit to one
party or the other it may be

740
01:09:34,57 --> 01:09:39,92
a place where prisons appropriate we did
work with our city attorney who advised

741
01:09:39,93 --> 01:09:44,39
that no appraisal is needed for this because
of the types of property tax property

742
01:09:44,40 --> 01:09:50,63
exchanges was and the amount of size of
those parcels and so it was something that

743
01:09:50,64 --> 01:09:57,51
was asked and chairman that was not
me. Give. Me Any other questions.

744
01:10:00,71 --> 01:10:05,44
I would just also like to point out in
reference to the public comment that we did

745
01:10:05,45 --> 01:10:11,01
ask another during the work session. That
if we were to delay and not move this

746
01:10:11,02 --> 01:10:15,32
forward based on our counsel his advice
this part of Spring Park would have to be

747
01:10:15,33 --> 01:10:20,26
cordoned off until it was resolved and
so that's correct and that's that and

748
01:10:20,27 --> 01:10:25,71
entrance into the park from happening there
so that would be the impact also right

749
01:10:25,72 --> 01:10:28,92
that someone like to move the ordinance
councilman Kostic that I have

750
01:10:28,93 --> 01:10:35,83
a second. Council and Councilman
seaman's second this is the second

751
01:10:35,84 --> 01:10:37,52
reading ordinance do we need

752
01:10:37,83 --> 01:10:44,75
a roll call yes. Council member Cobar
council member Deval council member

753
01:10:44,76 --> 01:10:49,98
Kostic council member seaman's Council
Member Smith council members here see their

754
01:10:49,99 --> 01:10:52,54
story. The next is

755
01:10:52,55 --> 01:10:56,02
a single reading ordinance authorizing
contract for the construction of the flower

756
01:10:56,03 --> 01:11:02,18
Avenue Green Street Project. Yes So. The
flower Avenue Green Street Project is one

757
01:11:02,19 --> 01:11:08,54
of the largest projects that we
have underway and all told we're.

758
01:11:10,08 --> 01:11:10,26
In

759
01:11:10,27 --> 01:11:16,01
a project that's in the six million dollars
range most of which is being paid by other

760
01:11:16,02 --> 01:11:20,88
sources of funds it's gone through
a long process of designing with

761
01:11:20,89 --> 01:11:27,87
a number of other utility
agencies etc and. The. Because

762
01:11:28,37 --> 01:11:35,12
specifications have had very detailed
state highway review. That process

763
01:11:35,23 --> 01:11:39,64
now went to bid for bids we received.

764
01:11:43,20 --> 01:11:49,54
The postal here is for
the bid to go to. In our

765
01:11:49,73 --> 01:11:56,20
services which had the lower bid price it's
gone through quite a like I said quite

766
01:11:56,21 --> 01:12:02,07
a lot of careful looking at. One
of the things is that there is

767
01:12:02,11 --> 01:12:07,81
a bit of an increase over the amount that
we had estimated for the price for the

768
01:12:07,82 --> 01:12:12,91
work and there's also an additional two
hundred fifty thousand dollars which the

769
01:12:12,92 --> 01:12:18,15
city needs to pay for for the construction
oversight one of the things when you

770
01:12:18,16 --> 01:12:18,26
have

771
01:12:18,27 --> 01:12:22,59
a very complex project is you need to make
sure that all the parts are fitting together

772
01:12:22,60 --> 01:12:28,98
that the invoices are reviewed and
that the information is presented and

773
01:12:28,99 --> 01:12:33,76
categorized in ways that then go for the
grant reimbursements or the other utility

774
01:12:33,77 --> 01:12:40,15
payment reimbursements what this means is
that we will have. Additional information

775
01:12:40,16 --> 01:12:44,91
that will need to come to you through the
budget amendment to allocate those funds

776
01:12:44,91 --> 01:12:50,90
. And so. To give you the heads up we did
mention that during the budget process it

777
01:12:50,91 --> 01:12:53,52
came into that during
that process but it's

778
01:12:53,53 --> 01:12:56,01
a fairly significant amount of money it's

779
01:12:56,02 --> 01:13:01,68
a small part of the whole overall project
but I did want to make sure that it's

780
01:13:01,69 --> 01:13:08,01
clear that that is part of the case what
I'm asking for you to do is to authorize

781
01:13:08,80 --> 01:13:09,84
the city to enter into

782
01:13:09,85 --> 01:13:14,56
a contract with the in our services
for the construction project at

783
01:13:14,57 --> 01:13:18,73
a price of five million seven hundred
seventy five thousand eight hundred seventy

784
01:13:18,74 --> 01:13:25,72
five thousand dollars. Of for
certain like to thank staff

785
01:13:26,00 --> 01:13:29,26
for all the hard work. Spent a lot
of work and I was and I was it's

786
01:13:29,27 --> 01:13:35,06
a public works and name in particular
I've done it extraordinary job yes when I

787
01:13:35,12 --> 01:13:40,16
first was elected in two thousand and
twelve this project was just in preliminary

788
01:13:40,17 --> 01:13:42,46
design and there was also

789
01:13:42,47 --> 01:13:47,35
a resolution in place that said that the
city would not put money into this project

790
01:13:47,39 --> 01:13:52,42
so I had to get that overturned I want to
thank personally very Thwaite Director of

791
01:13:52,43 --> 01:13:54,20
Public Works she was

792
01:13:54,21 --> 01:13:58,84
a rock star on this project couldn't have
happened without her and actually she was

793
01:13:58,85 --> 01:14:01,96
then they came up with the idea that this
should be a Green Street and not just

794
01:14:01,97 --> 01:14:07,24
a street repaving. I want to thank my
predecessor movements never it was his idea

795
01:14:07,25 --> 01:14:13,86
he you know put this together. And I
want to thank everyone else on the staff

796
01:14:13,87 --> 01:14:17,79
Suzanne staff that helped with this
because you know it's going to be

797
01:14:17,80 --> 01:14:22,39
a wonderful project yes it was really tough
to do really tough to get the money and

798
01:14:22,40 --> 01:14:26,91
then you guys had to live with the kind of
the construction. I think residents will

799
01:14:26,95 --> 01:14:32,81
live with the construction the. One thing
that I request is can we get an update to

800
01:14:32,94 --> 01:14:37,81
the project page on the website and put
out something on social media that says

801
01:14:37,82 --> 01:14:43,08
that when construction was actually started
right so we have to wait for one little

802
01:14:43,75 --> 01:14:49,24
extra dot from S H A that point we'll get
the schedule from the contractor and we'd

803
01:14:49,25 --> 01:14:54,96
like to do both the kick off kind of event
but also have the whole communications

804
01:14:54,97 --> 01:15:01,66
product planned for the duration of the
project OK thank you for. That oh yes I

805
01:15:01,67 --> 01:15:02,56
just need to be helpful to have

806
01:15:02,57 --> 01:15:06,97
a little bit of information maybe when you
get to some of what Council Member Smith

807
01:15:06,98 --> 01:15:11,18
was talking about on the track record of
the of the contractor you know are similar

808
01:15:11,19 --> 01:15:15,63
kinds of projects so people can sort
of see that you know the low bid is

809
01:15:15,64 --> 01:15:21,06
a good bid. Yeah I mean I will have to say
that for something that's this complex

810
01:15:21,31 --> 01:15:24,87
we do appreciate that
the state highway did

811
01:15:24,88 --> 01:15:30,65
a very detailed evaluation of
the. Thank you. Callsigns about.

812
01:15:32,16 --> 01:15:38,67
Banks. I mean I'm looking forward to this
project three things the first this I was

813
01:15:38,68 --> 01:15:39,98
in April at

814
01:15:39,99 --> 01:15:44,90
a conference on energy efficiency and
someone from the water got up and talked

815
01:15:44,91 --> 01:15:51,21
about the electric buses and how the in
Montgomery County they were going to be on

816
01:15:51,22 --> 01:15:56,42
flower avenue to coordinate with this
project I thought that was awesome. And I

817
01:15:56,43 --> 01:16:01,77
think that the the money for construction
management is very well worthwhile even

818
01:16:01,78 --> 01:16:02,76
though it does it

819
01:16:02,77 --> 01:16:07,88
a little bit to the total but I I would
like to ask I know we talked about this

820
01:16:07,89 --> 01:16:12,89
during the budget process but could you
just summarize again the difference between

821
01:16:12,90 --> 01:16:18,94
what was budgeted them how the big came in
I remember Daryl explaining why the even

822
01:16:18,95 --> 01:16:19,97
the lowest bid was

823
01:16:19,98 --> 01:16:26,42
a little bit over and how that could be I
asked if it could be trimmed in some way

824
01:16:26,43 --> 01:16:31,29
if some piece could be left out to stay
within the money we had allocated and the

825
01:16:31,30 --> 01:16:34,57
answer was No that was impossible but could
you just go over that again it's right

826
01:16:34,58 --> 01:16:40,99
I mean I think basically the specs on this
are so defined by state highway and by

827
01:16:41,00 --> 01:16:45,89
the various utilities to coordinate on
it that it's not something that can be

828
01:16:45,90 --> 01:16:51,81
changed. If part of the reason it took
so many years to get to this point is

829
01:16:51,82 --> 01:16:57,43
because every single little component was
looked at so carefully. It is one of the

830
01:16:57,44 --> 01:16:58,72
awkward things when you're dealing with

831
01:16:58,73 --> 01:17:03,80
a project that has state highway oversight
that also makes it very difficult to

832
01:17:03,81 --> 01:17:03,99
make

833
01:17:04,00 --> 01:17:09,30
a modification so I think I can give more
information that another time but but that's

834
01:17:09,31 --> 01:17:14,69
the story. Thank you. All right seeing no
other comments with someone like them in

835
01:17:14,70 --> 01:17:19,85
the ordinance Council Member Smith and
I second council member seaman senses

836
01:17:19,86 --> 01:17:23,74
a single reading ordinance I asked the clerk
to call the World Council member Cobar

837
01:17:24,03 --> 01:17:29,13
council member Deval I had some caustic
guts. And receive Council Member Smith.

838
01:17:30,37 --> 01:17:35,53
Council member seriously mayor steward Yes
thank you very much and thank you also

839
01:17:35,54 --> 01:17:41,74
to our public works director thank you so
much on this all right now on our last

840
01:17:41,78 --> 01:17:46,18
item on our voting session is it consent
to gender would someone like to move the

841
01:17:46,19 --> 01:17:51,93
consent agenda. Counselor see Mr I was
second sure counsel on this year see all

842
01:17:51,94 --> 01:17:58,51
those in favor of the sent agenda please
say I in the oppose any abstaining. Right

843
01:17:58,51 --> 01:18:05,34
. Now we will move on to
public comments before

844
01:18:05,35 --> 01:18:07,09
public comments I just wanted to make

845
01:18:07,10 --> 01:18:14,05
a few comments of my own. And state that
So you know sometimes with letters back

846
01:18:14,06 --> 01:18:20,77
and forth I think there's miscommunication.
And with e-mails and I would just like

847
01:18:20,77 --> 01:18:23,16
to say I know we received

848
01:18:23,20 --> 01:18:27,77
a letter to from the Co-op this week and I
think they're planning on making public

849
01:18:27,79 --> 01:18:32,96
comments tonight that I don't believe
anyone on the city council in any of our

850
01:18:33,26 --> 01:18:39,12
letters or the information we've put out
said we were whole we were going to have

851
01:18:39,13 --> 01:18:44,81
a vote before mediation ended I think we
have said clearly that we hope mediation

852
01:18:45,19 --> 01:18:51,17
happens this month and concludes before the
vote that we are committed to mediation

853
01:18:51,62 --> 01:18:57,70
in fact. A city manager deputy city manager
and Councilman dollar met today with

854
01:18:57,70 --> 01:19:02,92
the mediator and I know they're meeting
tomorrow with representatives of M.D.C.

855
01:19:03,20 --> 01:19:05,99
And are trying to. Schedule

856
01:19:05,99 --> 01:19:12,80
a time with the co-op our hope is that
mediation will take place before we vote on

857
01:19:12,81 --> 01:19:19,33
July twenty fifth if. Something happens and
it does not and we are conferring with

858
01:19:19,34 --> 01:19:25,35
the mediator as we have outlined the
process is such that once we go to

859
01:19:25,98 --> 01:19:31,17
however we decide that vote if it goes
forward when it goes forward it will have to

860
01:19:31,18 --> 01:19:35,82
go before the planning board historic
preservation and state highway there are

861
01:19:35,83 --> 01:19:42,68
going to be many times in the near
future that we're going to be reviewing

862
01:19:43,10 --> 01:19:49,25
changes and that changes will probably be
made we have stated before that we are

863
01:19:49,26 --> 01:19:54,71
supportive of the mediation and the
council has said that we will financially

864
01:19:54,72 --> 01:20:00,10
support that as well as in spirit because
we believe the number one goal is to

865
01:20:00,11 --> 01:20:00,52
build

866
01:20:00,56 --> 01:20:06,19
a stronger relationship and trust that is
going to have to follow us through not

867
01:20:06,20 --> 01:20:12,83
just the next three to four weeks but
throughout the entire process. There is also

868
01:20:12,84 --> 01:20:17,58
the option as we've talked about mediation
for that to continue between the co-op

869
01:20:17,59 --> 01:20:18,45
and in D.C.

870
01:20:18,60 --> 01:20:24,93
If the co-op would like to reconsider
becoming the anchor tenant so the mediation

871
01:20:24,97 --> 01:20:28,00
may go on for many many reasons for

872
01:20:28,43 --> 01:20:33,14
a while and we don't know yet until it
starts but I just want to clearly say

873
01:20:33,29 --> 01:20:35,44
nothing we have communicated as

874
01:20:35,45 --> 01:20:40,85
a city council didn't say we are voting
before mediation our hope is that mediation

875
01:20:40,86 --> 01:20:43,16
will get underway we have scheduled

876
01:20:43,17 --> 01:20:48,60
a vote and we are working with the
co-op with the media and D.C.

877
01:20:49,42 --> 01:20:49,95
And if

878
01:20:49,96 --> 01:20:55,76
a vote does happen before mediation concludes
there are proper processes in place

879
01:20:55,96 --> 01:20:59,03
for us to go back and work with N.B.C.

880
01:20:59,42 --> 01:21:06,10
And adjust the site plan in addition as
we have promised before we talk about

881
01:21:06,14 --> 01:21:07,19
a resolution in

882
01:21:07,20 --> 01:21:12,70
a work session we will be sending to the
Co-op tomorrow morning the clauses that

883
01:21:12,93 --> 01:21:18,55
pertain to making sure that we're meeting
reason. Accommodations for the co-op so

884
01:21:18,56 --> 01:21:24,67
that the co-ops attorney can review that
as we did in October people remember that

885
01:21:24,68 --> 01:21:30,18
resolution I think we accepted almost
all if not all of the suggestions and

886
01:21:30,19 --> 01:21:35,67
requests of the co-op when we did that
resolution we are fully open to having that

887
01:21:35,68 --> 01:21:40,26
dialogue type of dialogue again with the
co-op to make sure that the resolution

888
01:21:40,27 --> 01:21:45,87
reflects what it needs. In addition

889
01:21:46,83 --> 01:21:53,05
regarding postponing of the work session
on reasonable accommodations again I think

890
01:21:53,06 --> 01:21:57,24
this is a case of possible
miscommunication we never scheduled

891
01:21:57,25 --> 01:22:00,27
a work session so I'm not sure how you
postpone something you actually never

892
01:22:00,28 --> 01:22:03,75
scheduled. Our intent is to have

893
01:22:03,76 --> 01:22:10,05
a work session once mediation takes
place so that we can discuss it.

894
01:22:11,28 --> 01:22:17,92
And we've always said that and so right now
we said we would have that possibly in

895
01:22:17,93 --> 01:22:21,85
September but again our hope is that
mediation will move forward it will move

896
01:22:21,86 --> 01:22:27,40
forward quickly and these issues will be
resolved. I think another great first step

897
01:22:27,41 --> 01:22:32,58
is the information that the co-op has
provided regarding deliveries our staff has

898
01:22:32,59 --> 01:22:36,98
been looking at that and I think it's
very helpful now to understand when

899
01:22:36,99 --> 01:22:41,29
deliveries are happening and how many
trucks are there and will actually move us

900
01:22:41,30 --> 01:22:47,82
forward quite quickly. So I think
that I just wanted to make sure

901
01:22:48,25 --> 01:22:52,95
because again I think sometimes with e-mails
and letters miscommunication happens

902
01:22:53,00 --> 01:22:54,88
and I'm much more of

903
01:22:54,89 --> 01:22:59,97
a person to like to speak in person
to pick up the phone and to clear up

904
01:23:00,16 --> 01:23:03,94
miscommunications before they
have a tendency to create

905
01:23:03,95 --> 01:23:07,80
a life of their own and I think on
these two points they were creating

906
01:23:07,81 --> 01:23:13,48
a life of their own and so I wanted to
clarify in addition we have information

907
01:23:13,49 --> 01:23:18,92
looking at the deputy city manager regarding
the July ninth discussions is that up

908
01:23:18,93 --> 01:23:23,64
yet on the website that information is up
on the website and people can sign up for

909
01:23:23,65 --> 01:23:26,34
it I know there's also
we've been receiving

910
01:23:26,35 --> 01:23:32,79
a great deal of feedback on that I
understand that no one model was going to be

911
01:23:32,80 --> 01:23:39,63
perfect we did consult with folks who
do mediation and facilitate dialogues

912
01:23:39,64 --> 01:23:43,57
and went back and forth with
professionals when it will have

913
01:23:43,58 --> 01:23:49,02
a professional facilitator possibly to that
evening to help the city that somebody

914
01:23:49,03 --> 01:23:54,04
who is independent not of the city staff
or the city council to come in actually

915
01:23:54,05 --> 01:23:58,63
doesn't even live in Tacoma Park to help
us facilitate that and again they helped

916
01:23:58,64 --> 01:24:03,35
us think about what was the best way and
talking to residents we could really have

917
01:24:03,35 --> 01:24:08,98
. Something that people were asking for
and so again best please look at the city

918
01:24:08,99 --> 01:24:15,78
Web site and sign up for that if you'd
like. I think. I think I'm I might be

919
01:24:15,79 --> 01:24:19,61
forgetting something but I just wanted to
say that before we had public comments

920
01:24:19,62 --> 01:24:24,08
the same as you had mentioned earlier but
I think just really be mentioning when

921
01:24:24,09 --> 01:24:30,17
we'll have information on the draft
resolution yes. So information on the draft

922
01:24:30,18 --> 01:24:35,19
resolution should be out next week probably
later in the week than earlier in the

923
01:24:35,20 --> 01:24:36,27
week unfortunately

924
01:24:36,28 --> 01:24:42,49
a number of my colleagues have been. Down
with some stomach bugs and other things

925
01:24:43,03 --> 01:24:48,09
not this year too much information but.
You know there's something going around

926
01:24:48,10 --> 01:24:53,41
servility and washing hands so we all stay
well over the next couple of weeks but

927
01:24:53,42 --> 01:24:59,99
and as with that as well we will have the
update on the racial equity work as well

928
01:25:00,00 --> 01:25:01,39
for folks we are we're just

929
01:25:01,40 --> 01:25:06,99
a little bit behind where we want to be
on that So yes next week and then on the

930
01:25:07,00 --> 01:25:11,73
ninth we'll have the dialogues and then
on the eleventh of the work session.

931
01:25:13,84 --> 01:25:18,21
That's it I'm sure I'm forgetting something
but I just wanted to kind of state that

932
01:25:18,22 --> 01:25:20,51
and get that out there as

933
01:25:20,52 --> 01:25:25,34
a courtesy I see our fire chief is here
and I know Wednesday nights are very busy

934
01:25:25,35 --> 01:25:29,08
for the chief and so I know you want to
speak this evening would you like to kick

935
01:25:29,09 --> 01:25:29,58
us off.

936
01:25:50,06 --> 01:25:57,03
Your not your mike so. All the better. Your
good once again thank you very much for

937
01:25:57,04 --> 01:26:03,33
this opportunity to address this fine
counsel. In representing the coal for

938
01:26:03,34 --> 01:26:04,56
Volunteer Fire Department there are

939
01:26:04,57 --> 01:26:10,76
a few things that I. Have related to from
ation to to the mayor so we're on the

940
01:26:10,77 --> 01:26:16,54
same page but just to go ahead and be clear
about this I want to make sure that we

941
01:26:16,58 --> 01:26:23,50
take into consideration. The if we end
up with more than one delivery truck.

942
01:26:24,78 --> 01:26:31,69
Trash truck things like that.
And. What happens if the

943
01:26:32,33 --> 01:26:39,14
lay by is actually full with with vehicles
and what considerations are being given

944
01:26:39,34 --> 01:26:45,52
for the current traffic that is blocking
our fire station right now I arrived at

945
01:26:45,53 --> 01:26:51,98
the station today about two thirty and took
me. A couple minutes to get in because

946
01:26:51,99 --> 01:26:58,70
of the traffic that is already presently
impeding our. Egress an entrance into the

947
01:26:58,71 --> 01:27:04,74
station and considerations in regarding
the placement or replacement of the bus

948
01:27:04,75 --> 01:27:11,37
stop. If that moves forward towards
Ethan Allen Avenue which is already

949
01:27:11,38 --> 01:27:17,84
a narrow section that may also
increase our traffic congestion and

950
01:27:18,29 --> 01:27:24,97
the offloading of the delivery trucks
is that going to impede any of the

951
01:27:25,01 --> 01:27:31,54
walking traffic. These are
my questions like concerns

952
01:27:32,23 --> 01:27:39,06
we all know that. Seconds count
when it comes time for us to

953
01:27:39,50 --> 01:27:42,32
respond to an incident we now have

954
01:27:42,33 --> 01:27:49,28
a paramedic in station. And that seems to
be working well and what we don't want

955
01:27:49,29 --> 01:27:53,24
to do is we don't want to slow their
response still thank you very much don't

956
01:27:53,25 --> 01:27:59,19
because we worked really hard to get
that paramedic. For the record I have

957
01:27:59,20 --> 01:28:04,63
a couple volunteers and medics training
right now so along with the one career

958
01:28:04,64 --> 01:28:09,95
paramedic that we have there we should
also be able to provide additional medic

959
01:28:09,96 --> 01:28:15,12
coverage to run our other analysts wonderful
OK Well thank you very much we should

960
01:28:15,13 --> 01:28:16,85
have you back here regularly to give us

961
01:28:16,86 --> 01:28:21,97
a report to remind me of that well thank
you Tina thank you very much for things

962
01:28:21,98 --> 01:28:25,40
you so much for coming this evening and
we'll get you the responses those questions

963
01:28:25,41 --> 01:28:28,71
there ones that we have discussed
prior so will absolutely get you

964
01:28:28,72 --> 01:28:35,37
a letter back thank you very much. And I

965
01:28:35,38 --> 01:28:40,86
know Mr Pierce will ask for extra time
this evening. Instead of the regular three

966
01:28:40,87 --> 01:28:46,28
minutes six minutes for tonight and so
will that Ms Pierce of the next and then

967
01:28:46,29 --> 01:28:50,67
we'll open it up to everyone
else OK. Thank you very much.

968
01:28:53,37 --> 01:28:58,83
We'd like to review only the historic
preservation issues with respect to road

969
01:28:58,98 --> 01:29:02,89
reconfiguration So we have seen
and why we're concerned first

970
01:29:02,90 --> 01:29:08,08
a little background historic districts
aren't just buildings equally important is

971
01:29:08,09 --> 01:29:13,29
the setting feeling Association of the
area building relationships to streets and

972
01:29:13,30 --> 01:29:19,29
roads and original Street patterns
we think of this as integrity.

973
01:29:20,26 --> 01:29:24,45
Architectural historians look for such
things to determine whether an area has the

974
01:29:24,46 --> 01:29:31,02
fabric to tell its story and we certainly
do in fact the junction maps of one nine

975
01:29:31,03 --> 01:29:35,77
hundred six and one nine hundred thirty
show is that we have the same road patterns

976
01:29:35,78 --> 01:29:41,30
today as we had at that time and that is
historically actually very important.

977
01:29:43,52 --> 01:29:48,50
Maintaining the integrity of the district
is always a good idea particularly in

978
01:29:48,51 --> 01:29:54,18
a vulnerable area and helps us retain
protections under county state and federal

979
01:29:54,19 --> 01:30:00,69
laws. Whatever we do with respect
to our roads if anything we should

980
01:30:00,73 --> 01:30:06,74
really retain our historic integrity to
the greatest extent. I'd like to correct

981
01:30:06,75 --> 01:30:13,30
a few misunderstandings in the city
manager comments. The two thousand and

982
01:30:13,31 --> 01:30:18,56
thirteen city agreement with SH A which I
know very well provides no protections at

983
01:30:18,57 --> 01:30:23,13
all on road widening none whatsoever and
I think that's really important for you

984
01:30:23,14 --> 01:30:29,80
all to realize there is also no
state law that prohibits us ha from

985
01:30:29,81 --> 01:30:36,78
widening for ten through park and
that's also very important so Peterson

986
01:30:37,19 --> 01:30:43,48
said that our historic district was his
greatest impediment to road widening our

987
01:30:43,49 --> 01:30:49,68
district must retain its integrity
to be that impediment there lies our

988
01:30:49,69 --> 01:30:55,51
protections so in this regard we're very
concerned with the reconfiguration on

989
01:30:56,02 --> 01:31:00,16
seventy three hundred block
of Carroll Avenue which has

990
01:31:00,35 --> 01:31:06,84
a strategic location at one ninety
five and four ten this block has

991
01:31:06,85 --> 01:31:11,59
a unique assembly of very significant
historic building showing how early

992
01:31:11,60 --> 01:31:16,17
commercial and residential structures
were closely integrated together they are

993
01:31:16,18 --> 01:31:22,18
rare and special and the reconfiguration
is really affecting this block so I'd like

994
01:31:22,19 --> 01:31:28,61
to go through our observations of the various
options that we've seen and give you

995
01:31:29,03 --> 01:31:33,67
our thoughts on them from again from Historic
Preservation perspective and no other

996
01:31:33,68 --> 01:31:39,58
perspective the least impactful option that
we can see is option three which is an

997
01:31:40,20 --> 01:31:46,96
option three the dog. Eg option in
this option Carol Avenue is largely

998
01:31:46,97 --> 01:31:52,27
untouched the street pattern is the same
everything relating to it is the same

999
01:31:52,60 --> 01:31:57,58
building still relate properly to the
street and road the Sears Craftsman house

1000
01:31:57,59 --> 01:32:04,18
a two or three Manor circle is not harmed
that's very important Sycamore does not

1001
01:32:04,19 --> 01:32:08,74
line up directly with Carol
in this option it retains

1002
01:32:08,78 --> 01:32:15,11
a separateness with the dogleg and it's
easy to see the original relationship of

1003
01:32:15,12 --> 01:32:21,40
Carol to Sycamore archaeologically that's
pretty important in preserving integrity

1004
01:32:21,40 --> 01:32:25,12
. So this this is not

1005
01:32:25,13 --> 01:32:31,53
a bad option the island option
by the traffic group is less

1006
01:32:31,54 --> 01:32:38,06
favorable Carol Avenue buildings to
relate to their sidewalks but the road is

1007
01:32:38,07 --> 01:32:41,13
changed by a floating island that reads as

1008
01:32:41,14 --> 01:32:46,71
a modern device to manage traffic and we
really lose the original settings and

1009
01:32:46,72 --> 01:32:53,35
associations that are important for
that street as a whole Carol I have

1010
01:32:53,36 --> 01:32:56,64
a new also is lined up with
Sycamore here which is not

1011
01:32:56,65 --> 01:33:03,55
a good thing and the new road
is very close to two three

1012
01:33:03,59 --> 01:33:09,17
man or circle and it's difficult to see
exactly how we have it I haven't had

1013
01:33:09,18 --> 01:33:16,04
adequate adequate drawings on this that
could be harmful the circle option is

1014
01:33:16,05 --> 01:33:21,71
devastating it's the traffic groups option
it destroys the relationship between

1015
01:33:21,72 --> 01:33:27,87
streets roads and buildings it's circle
is an anomaly late twentieth century

1016
01:33:27,88 --> 01:33:32,24
traffic device that would degrade
this area's historic value it's

1017
01:33:32,25 --> 01:33:37,10
a horrible option option
two A and B. By A.M.T.

1018
01:33:37,35 --> 01:33:37,63
Is

1019
01:33:37,64 --> 01:33:44,60
a drastic reorientation of Carol with
Sycamore. It is also very frightening

1020
01:33:44,71 --> 01:33:50,73
it destroys the relationship of the buildings
road and street it changes the major

1021
01:33:50,74 --> 01:33:56,47
historical pattern of Carroll Avenue
forcing it to meet Sycamore. Contributing

1022
01:33:56,48 --> 01:33:59,60
serious craftsman house would be torn down

1023
01:34:00,38 --> 01:34:04,83
a plaza in front of these historic buildings
would harm their value because they

1024
01:34:04,84 --> 01:34:10,66
were not developed that way their proper
setting and relationships are destroyed by

1025
01:34:10,67 --> 01:34:16,80
this I really really doubt that this
would get through this stage Storch

1026
01:34:16,81 --> 01:34:23,66
preservation office review because it is
so dreadful together with the circle so

1027
01:34:23,75 --> 01:34:29,97
you are going through Section one of six
process that involves many entities

1028
01:34:30,49 --> 01:34:36,42
and it seeks to do no harm or as little
as possible the area will be reviewed for

1029
01:34:36,43 --> 01:34:39,63
historic resources and
as the junction is in

1030
01:34:39,64 --> 01:34:44,70
a local district we feel certain it will
be found to be national register eligible

1031
01:34:44,99 --> 01:34:51,70
that means that all of that area will
configure reconfigurations would be studied

1032
01:34:52,13 --> 01:34:58,73
and. The local process you may want to
hear this the local process on road

1033
01:34:59,45 --> 01:35:04,75
reconfiguration will come before section
when I was six and also will provide

1034
01:35:04,76 --> 01:35:09,33
information for the one of six process
so that's important to know I also look

1035
01:35:09,34 --> 01:35:13,40
forward to meeting with you all on this on
these issues that are very important to

1036
01:35:13,41 --> 01:35:19,20
us actually we would certainly prefer no
reconfiguration at all I just want to put

1037
01:35:19,21 --> 01:35:22,39
that in there. In city manager I have

1038
01:35:22,40 --> 01:35:28,30
a request for you if I may can we
please get better drawings from A.M.T.

1039
01:35:28,31 --> 01:35:33,75
And the traffic group focusing on two or
three minor circle property and showing

1040
01:35:33,76 --> 01:35:38,21
the road distances and the placement of
the house it's very hard to see that I

1041
01:35:38,22 --> 01:35:41,67
think we start Comber really want to have

1042
01:35:41,68 --> 01:35:46,60
a close look at that and thank you very
much for doing that thinking of yourself if

1043
01:35:46,61 --> 01:35:49,67
you have your notes and could send them to
us that you know I'm going to type them

1044
01:35:49,68 --> 01:35:55,81
up OK. I am going to get a lot
of that and we need. Great at

1045
01:35:56,08 --> 01:36:00,08
a quarterly meeting that we were going to
deal with historic to come so wonderful

1046
01:36:00,17 --> 01:36:04,28
oh that's great thank you
thank you good thank you.

1047
01:36:08,18 --> 01:36:11,68
We're going to go to Pat loveless and then
we'll start from the podium Mr loveless

1048
01:36:12,61 --> 01:36:17,44
Yes I mean your version. Says we're going.

1049
01:36:20,34 --> 01:36:27,31
Yes. Like I said I'm Pavlov was your
official ph delegate and I'd like to.

1050
01:36:28,39 --> 01:36:29,79
Let the city know they've got

1051
01:36:29,80 --> 01:36:36,76
a few problems going on why the sidewalk
between Maple Avenue and where you

1052
01:36:36,77 --> 01:36:43,59
turn down into the into the.
Building progress. Is very uneven

1053
01:36:43,92 --> 01:36:49,76
they're very uneven and people are going
over it numerous times and have their.

1054
01:36:51,06 --> 01:36:57,30
My back taken care of soon as I get home.
So please address that problem about the

1055
01:36:57,31 --> 01:37:03,58
sidewalk and you know leading up to City
Hall. And that appreciated my backward

1056
01:37:03,62 --> 01:37:10,32
back vertebrae would appreciate
too. And also. I'd like to tell

1057
01:37:10,33 --> 01:37:16,69
everybody of the importance of recognizing
our police so please come out on

1058
01:37:16,70 --> 01:37:21,44
National Night Out Day and I need to
know the day that I think it's the first

1059
01:37:21,45 --> 01:37:28,25
Tuesday in August. That would be put on
the second thing so I think we should.

1060
01:37:29,67 --> 01:37:36,28
Let everybody know the time and.
Date so that we can hide in that

1061
01:37:37,15 --> 01:37:37,61
and I think

1062
01:37:37,62 --> 01:37:43,82
a lot of people. Think about it and come
out support their law enforcement because

1063
01:37:43,82 --> 01:37:45,29
. There are

1064
01:37:45,30 --> 01:37:49,87
a lot of good people police officers out
there too and we've got some good ones.

1065
01:37:51,60 --> 01:37:58,60
Too I give to that. To give thanks
for the good offices we've got and

1066
01:37:58,61 --> 01:38:05,30
maybe around the kinds of. Police offices

1067
01:38:05,88 --> 01:38:11,85
unnecessary shooting in some cases not
matter not an area but it has happened.

1068
01:38:13,78 --> 01:38:19,80
As shot them and. Right there in cold blood
and they weren't even armed and we're

1069
01:38:19,81 --> 01:38:20,80
going to really face

1070
01:38:20,81 --> 01:38:27,42
a tissue. By state in our first step
is net would be National Night Out

1071
01:38:28,49 --> 01:38:34,95
so they could learn the pause or side.
Learns pauses the police office.

1072
01:38:36,64 --> 01:38:43,37
And yes. Again I'd like to see
more people. Speak it I meetings

1073
01:38:44,36 --> 01:38:44,55
and

1074
01:38:44,56 --> 01:38:51,67
a lot of people. Bring up issues that
we probably don't even know about. Like

1075
01:38:51,68 --> 01:38:58,13
to see them come out and take part
in public. Public service in also.

1076
01:38:59,36 --> 01:39:05,35
You know public participation I'd like to
see that I would love to see it love it

1077
01:39:05,36 --> 01:39:10,21
love it love it and that's what I
mean I love the. Thank you Mr highly.

1078
01:39:18,49 --> 01:39:25,46
Oh. Stuff advised candidates
around us schools because

1079
01:39:25,47 --> 01:39:26,08
there's been

1080
01:39:26,09 --> 01:39:31,55
a lot of them left I was told and I should
be cleaned out right away before school

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01:39:31,56 --> 01:39:37,75
starts that the schools are giving us.
The right for over the privilege to use

1082
01:39:37,76 --> 01:39:43,36
their property we got to keep it clean
as it was when we got it so please I'm

1083
01:39:43,37 --> 01:39:48,99
telling the candidates out there and I'm
also telling the. Inforce that speak to

1084
01:39:49,00 --> 01:39:55,28
the candidates their registration
stuff they must clean up

1085
01:39:56,27 --> 01:40:00,86
things little before they clean up their
act Thank you Miss them out of very much

1086
01:40:00,90 --> 01:40:07,89
Love it love it love it. Thank you
madam mayor says the seven seven

1087
01:40:07,90 --> 01:40:10,92
zero eight Tacoma Avenue
I'd like to talk to

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01:40:10,93 --> 01:40:14,87
a little bit tonight about the potential
environmental impacts of the development

1089
01:40:14,88 --> 01:40:21,73
at the junction. For about the past secures
of I was on the Environment Committee I

1090
01:40:21,74 --> 01:40:25,50
pressed real hard for some I undertake
an environmental impact study of this

1091
01:40:25,51 --> 01:40:30,58
construction Unfortunately the committee
probably doesn't have the necessary

1092
01:40:30,59 --> 01:40:35,53
expertise in its current configuration.
However since I've been doing this for

1093
01:40:35,54 --> 01:40:39,80
about forty years I decided to jump into
the water here and started to undertake

1094
01:40:39,81 --> 01:40:46,42
this myself. The council may not
appreciate the magnitude of the

1095
01:40:46,43 --> 01:40:47,49
potential impacts of

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01:40:47,50 --> 01:40:53,23
a project like this for example just
removing the parking lot is going to involve

1097
01:40:53,72 --> 01:40:58,36
Quitman such as jackhammers compressors
front end loaders roll off or dump truck

1098
01:40:58,37 --> 01:41:04,30
color's all of these operations use diesel
fuel all of them emit greenhouse gases

1099
01:41:04,63 --> 01:41:08,36
so for oxide nitrogen oxides and
foreign particulates matter

1100
01:41:09,24 --> 01:41:12,91
a typical published rates of
activity we're talking about maybe

1101
01:41:12,92 --> 01:41:18,24
a two week stretch of effort up there
where there's going to be constant noise

1102
01:41:18,25 --> 01:41:24,84
constant air pollution emissions and also
about forty loads of large trucks being

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01:41:24,85 --> 01:41:29,60
used to haul this material site to
wherever it's going to go. I did

1104
01:41:29,61 --> 01:41:34,92
a limited life cycle analysis just focusing
on greenhouse gases right now I intend

1105
01:41:34,93 --> 01:41:36,72
to amplify this to look

1106
01:41:36,73 --> 01:41:41,20
a little bit more about other sources of
air and water pollution as time goes on

1107
01:41:41,66 --> 01:41:45,81
but just looking at the current development
plan which calls for roughly fifty

1108
01:41:45,82 --> 01:41:50,97
thousand square foot building level of
underground parking about eight thousand

1109
01:41:50,98 --> 01:41:57,03
square feet of additional paving material.
I'm not talking about anything that

1110
01:41:57,04 --> 01:42:01,73
would have to do is the demolition of the
to come auto clinic because I don't have

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01:42:01,74 --> 01:42:06,68
enough information about that right now
that it's Johnny's property he's pretty

1112
01:42:06,69 --> 01:42:11,13
tight about that but I used standard
methods that were used in environmental

1113
01:42:11,14 --> 01:42:15,33
engineering these are not secret methods
most of them are developed by the middle

1114
01:42:15,34 --> 01:42:22,27
Protection Agency and I forecast that this
activity just the construction alone the

1115
01:42:22,28 --> 01:42:27,78
demolition of the existing parking lot in
the construction of this building will

1116
01:42:27,79 --> 01:42:34,16
result in about eighty eight thousand
metric tons of carbon dioxide equal and

1117
01:42:35,17 --> 01:42:38,73
this is more than the whole
city of Tacoma Park in

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01:42:38,74 --> 01:42:43,81
a tire year and this kind of activity is
not mitigate evolved in other words you

1119
01:42:43,82 --> 01:42:49,49
couldn't of said this activity to carbon
neutrality. I've seen an alternative

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01:42:49,50 --> 01:42:50,05
design for

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01:42:50,06 --> 01:42:55,58
a thirty four thousand square foot project
without underground parking this would

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01:42:55,59 --> 01:42:57,55
reduce the greenhouse gas emissions by

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01:42:57,56 --> 01:43:02,82
a whopping sixty percent and the residual
greenhouse gas emissions would be

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01:43:02,83 --> 01:43:07,66
mitigated ball and could be dealt with
by offsets Thank you I see my time is up

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01:43:07,67 --> 01:43:13,08
Fortunately I have a handout
being a thank you. And I have

1126
01:43:13,09 --> 01:43:16,52
a lot more numbers in here
Frankie so much thank you.

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01:43:24,10 --> 01:43:29,54
Good evening mare Stewart and members of
the city council I am Diane Kerryn and I'm

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01:43:29,55 --> 01:43:34,40
on the board of representatives of the
co-op I want to thank the mare for her

1129
01:43:34,41 --> 01:43:39,61
clarifying comments tonight I want to tell
you how carefully we read your letter.

1130
01:43:41,04 --> 01:43:45,81
And we you know we take them seriously and
we you know we're all trying to do our

1131
01:43:45,82 --> 01:43:51,38
best to figure this process out and make
sure that it works for everyone we really

1132
01:43:51,39 --> 01:43:57,68
appreciate the city's commitment to the
mediation by funding partially funding our

1133
01:43:57,73 --> 01:44:04,17
finding all thing and to five thousand
dollars and participating as observers we

1134
01:44:04,18 --> 01:44:10,82
see the mediation as our best
hope for resolving our concerns

1135
01:44:10,86 --> 01:44:17,56
about accommodating the Co-op's needs our
operational needs when the development

1136
01:44:17,74 --> 01:44:24,19
is done and we also see it as
your best tool for making the

1137
01:44:24,20 --> 01:44:28,73
decision that you need to make under the
development agreement about whether the

1138
01:44:28,74 --> 01:44:34,27
co-ops operational needs have been
reasonably accommodated. At this point the

1139
01:44:34,28 --> 01:44:40,74
mediation is the only formal process that
the Council has set up to develop that

1140
01:44:40,75 --> 01:44:42,89
information and when we asked for

1141
01:44:42,90 --> 01:44:49,15
a work session and the letter you mention
what we asked for was if you don't want

1142
01:44:49,16 --> 01:44:52,22
to wait till the mediation
is over then please give us

1143
01:44:52,23 --> 01:44:58,25
a work session so that we can brief you
on these issues because. To to our way of

1144
01:44:58,29 --> 01:45:02,55
reading it and I think it's pretty clear
that development agreement gives you

1145
01:45:02,56 --> 01:45:08,95
a decision point which is coming up and
it's the decision on the site plan and

1146
01:45:08,96 --> 01:45:15,28
that's when you need to decide has the
co-ops operational needs been reasonably

1147
01:45:15,29 --> 01:45:21,99
accommodated we are really concerned that
the basics of that have to be addressed

1148
01:45:22,61 --> 01:45:28,61
if you wait until the plan has been approved
and it's before the planning board we

1149
01:45:28,62 --> 01:45:33,86
do not think the city will have legal
authority anymore to actually make demands on

1150
01:45:33,87 --> 01:45:39,53
N.B.C. You will be in the role of a supple
can't you will be able to ask N.B.C.

1151
01:45:39,57 --> 01:45:43,97
Because they will have finalized their
plan in reliance on your approval and

1152
01:45:43,98 --> 01:45:47,44
they're going to say if you want changes
to this then you're going to have to pay

1153
01:45:47,45 --> 01:45:52,14
form and if you want to walk away you're
going to have to pay us because we've

1154
01:45:52,15 --> 01:45:57,21
taken action in reliance on you that's our
concern and we really appreciate your.

1155
01:45:58,23 --> 01:46:04,14
Remarks clarifying your commitment thank
you thank you Ms Currie. And I just want

1156
01:46:04,15 --> 01:46:10,01
to say this is the this is the point I did
forget that that we did forget we are

1157
01:46:10,02 --> 01:46:15,65
getting a clarifying letter from our
attorney brakemen unfortunately got

1158
01:46:15,66 --> 01:46:19,46
a little distracted with something
this afternoon but we're

1159
01:46:19,50 --> 01:46:23,98
a to clarify that point at no point the
development agreement is very clear if we

1160
01:46:23,99 --> 01:46:28,27
make changes at to the site plan even after
it starts going through the process at

1161
01:46:28,28 --> 01:46:33,36
the county we do not have to pay there is
no penalty there is absolutely nothing

1162
01:46:33,37 --> 01:46:38,47
the city has to pay for and we can ask them
to change the site plan as it's moving

1163
01:46:38,48 --> 01:46:44,49
forward through the county process so or
we can stop the project so sorry that was

1164
01:46:44,50 --> 01:46:47,83
one of the things I forgot to mention
and we were happy to have more of

1165
01:46:47,84 --> 01:46:54,82
a dialogue on that thank you. I'm says Alan
also on the co-op board Thank you Mayor

1166
01:46:54,86 --> 01:46:58,73
for your response to our letter which. As
in response to your letter in our ongoing

1167
01:46:58,74 --> 01:47:03,52
dialogue. So in the interest of transparency
I'm going to go ahead and read the

1168
01:47:03,53 --> 01:47:08,28
letter that we sent today so that to which
you directed your comments so the public

1169
01:47:08,29 --> 01:47:13,12
can hear it as well. On behalf of the
call part of Representatives I'm happy to

1170
01:47:13,13 --> 01:47:14,81
talk a little more in

1171
01:47:14,82 --> 01:47:17,85
a little more depth about the truck
delivery study that the cop conducted in

1172
01:47:17,86 --> 01:47:22,34
preparation for mediation which has been
provided in full to you and to N.B.C.

1173
01:47:22,59 --> 01:47:26,97
Which is posted on the Co-op's website one
of the traffic studies provided to the

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01:47:26,98 --> 01:47:31,13
city relied on delivery vehicle analysis
that was conducted for less than one full

1175
01:47:31,14 --> 01:47:36,05
day while we provided the city was detailed
traffic information last fall in light

1176
01:47:36,06 --> 01:47:39,13
of the more recent analysis
submitted to the city we conducted

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01:47:39,14 --> 01:47:43,54
a more thorough review to update the prior
information in conducting our study we

1178
01:47:43,55 --> 01:47:46,94
hired temporary workers from an
independent staffing agency to conduct

1179
01:47:46,95 --> 01:47:48,57
a survey of the co-op deliveries for

1180
01:47:48,58 --> 01:47:53,60
a full week we counted all deliveries
between five thirty am and three thirty pm

1181
01:47:53,84 --> 01:47:57,93
when most of our deliveries occur during
the seven days between Friday May twenty

1182
01:47:57,94 --> 01:48:02,22
fifth and Thursday May thirty first.
We felt it was important to capture

1183
01:48:02,23 --> 01:48:05,36
information from each day of the week
since they vary widely in the breeze of

1184
01:48:05,37 --> 01:48:10,07
deliveries during that time the co-op
received fifty deliveries they mean for the

1185
01:48:10,08 --> 01:48:14,04
delivery times was twenty three minutes
with half of the deliveries taking longer

1186
01:48:14,05 --> 01:48:18,73
than eighteen minutes and the longest
taking ninety eight minutes. Sixty nine

1187
01:48:18,74 --> 01:48:23,46
percent of those deliveries arrived in
eighteen wheelers or box trucks we aggregate

1188
01:48:23,50 --> 01:48:27,64
eighteen wheelers and box trucks because
based on our analysis to date their size

1189
01:48:27,65 --> 01:48:29,14
precludes use of the sycamore

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01:48:29,15 --> 01:48:34,42
a lot while it is being used for customer
parking. Perhaps the most telling part of

1191
01:48:34,43 --> 01:48:38,35
the survey was the frequency of multiple
deliveries delivery vehicles trying to

1192
01:48:38,36 --> 01:48:42,60
unload their goods at the same time this
happened frequently and often with more

1193
01:48:42,61 --> 01:48:46,77
than two delivery vehicles making
deliveries at once the call up is posted

1194
01:48:46,78 --> 01:48:50,49
a video of the duration of the survey period
each day for those who wish to see for

1195
01:48:50,50 --> 01:48:55,80
themselves how this occurs. Of course
all of this information clarifies and

1196
01:48:55,81 --> 01:49:00,33
quantify is the need to ensure the
functionality of the lay by the label will not

1197
01:49:00,34 --> 01:49:04,24
only serve the eighteen wheelers and box
trucks for the co-op but for delivery

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01:49:04,25 --> 01:49:05,33
serving the N.B.C.

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01:49:05,34 --> 01:49:10,16
Retail and restaurant tenants. In our view
the robust information that we learned

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01:49:10,17 --> 01:49:12,44
from the study establishes the need for

1201
01:49:12,45 --> 01:49:17,37
a careful coordination between the co-op
and he sees tenants and the city many of

1202
01:49:17,38 --> 01:49:21,36
the drivers surveyed indicated that if the
labor I were full they would just go on

1203
01:49:21,40 --> 01:49:26,69
to their next stop. Some drivers said they
would try to park along the residential

1204
01:49:26,70 --> 01:49:30,37
streets others said that if they had
repeated difficulty making deliveries they

1205
01:49:30,38 --> 01:49:31,31
would drop the co-op as

1206
01:49:31,32 --> 01:49:36,71
a customer. The challenges that the cult
faces in this regard will also face in

1207
01:49:36,72 --> 01:49:37,07
D.C.

1208
01:49:37,35 --> 01:49:42,23
Tenants it's impossible to quantify at this
time how many deliveries those uses will

1209
01:49:42,24 --> 01:49:43,53
bring certainly

1210
01:49:43,54 --> 01:49:47,89
a restaurant will require more frequent
deliveries to replenish fresh food it's

1211
01:49:47,90 --> 01:49:51,73
difficult to imagine that multiple vehicles
pulling into and leaving the lay by

1212
01:49:51,85 --> 01:49:55,83
parallel to Maryland for ten will not have
implications for pedestrians and bikers

1213
01:49:56,37 --> 01:50:00,22
other for other vehicles in the vicinity
including buses serving the nearby bus

1214
01:50:00,23 --> 01:50:04,20
stops and the fire station operations thank
you I'm out of time for the last two

1215
01:50:04,21 --> 01:50:07,10
paragraphs are the culprits Thank you.

1216
01:50:13,85 --> 01:50:18,10
Hi My name is Susan Cho I'm in Ward two I'm
on the board of the co-op and I want to

1217
01:50:18,11 --> 01:50:18,33
talk

1218
01:50:18,34 --> 01:50:22,42
a little bit more about the delivery survey
I appreciate the attention that folks

1219
01:50:22,43 --> 01:50:27,08
are giving the issue of our deliveries and
coming up with creative solutions one of

1220
01:50:27,09 --> 01:50:31,31
the proposed solutions was to use the
sycamore lot before the store opens at eight

1221
01:50:31,32 --> 01:50:36,25
am although we could certainly attempt to
arrange delivery times before eight this

1222
01:50:36,26 --> 01:50:40,78
is often times not acceptable to vendors
and sometimes impossible for the drivers

1223
01:50:40,79 --> 01:50:46,06
who are given routes optimized by their
dispatchers In addition even for deliveries

1224
01:50:46,07 --> 01:50:49,72
currently of arriving before eight am There
would be difficulty fitting multiple

1225
01:50:49,73 --> 01:50:54,65
trucks at once one driver noted I usually
get here at five thirty am and there are

1226
01:50:54,66 --> 01:50:56,40
two trucks waiting to be unloaded

1227
01:50:56,80 --> 01:51:01,09
a photo shown in the survey shows four
trucks measuring between twenty feet and

1228
01:51:01,20 --> 01:51:06,24
forty feet all unloading simultaneously
at seven am not pictured as

1229
01:51:06,25 --> 01:51:11,55
a smaller additional vehicle this would
be impossible on the sycamore lot it also

1230
01:51:11,56 --> 01:51:14,81
would be made worse with more of the
trucks arriving earlier in the morning.

1231
01:51:16,03 --> 01:51:19,81
According to drivers eighty percent of
their deliveries are made at the same time

1232
01:51:19,82 --> 01:51:24,40
as others even looking just at the eighteen
wheelers eighty percent. Deliveries are

1233
01:51:24,41 --> 01:51:28,99
made at the same time as other trucks and
D.C.'s proposed solution for when the lay

1234
01:51:29,00 --> 01:51:33,80
by as full is the truck should circle
around the block and attempt again they

1235
01:51:33,81 --> 01:51:35,18
estimate that there are prescribed

1236
01:51:35,19 --> 01:51:39,81
a route would take thirteen minutes only
twenty percent of the I'm sorry only

1237
01:51:39,82 --> 01:51:44,00
twenty seven percent of the drivers we
surveyed were willing to try this however

1238
01:51:44,01 --> 01:51:48,01
sixty two percent of deliveries took
longer than thirteen minutes so the second

1239
01:51:48,02 --> 01:51:52,69
attempt could very well be unsuccessful
seventy three percent of the driver

1240
01:51:52,70 --> 01:51:55,11
surveyed who are unwilling
to circle the block

1241
01:51:55,83 --> 01:51:59,21
a few of the drivers noted that their
company might not be willing to deliver at

1242
01:51:59,22 --> 01:52:03,21
all using this design plan nine
percent would attempt to park on

1243
01:52:03,22 --> 01:52:07,44
a side street sixteen percent said they
would sit and wait for ten to fifteen

1244
01:52:07,45 --> 01:52:12,61
minutes twenty percent would leave an attempt
to return later in the day this would

1245
01:52:12,62 --> 01:52:16,66
increase their comp time and fuel cost
as well as requiring extra time at

1246
01:52:16,67 --> 01:52:21,03
subsequent stops since our boxes would be
in the way of unloading for other stores

1247
01:52:21,79 --> 01:52:26,05
there's also no guarantee that their second
attempt would be successful it seems

1248
01:52:26,06 --> 01:52:29,88
likely that some of these companies might
end up cancelling the contracts as well

1249
01:52:31,33 --> 01:52:37,15
some drivers would simply leave and not
return our drivers comments include the

1250
01:52:37,16 --> 01:52:43,36
following it will cost more gas to drive
around and be more costly we can circle

1251
01:52:43,37 --> 01:52:47,54
around the block we'll have to double park
on the street and block traffic to wait

1252
01:52:47,55 --> 01:52:52,68
for our turn to be to be unloaded organic
stores are really district about getting

1253
01:52:52,69 --> 01:52:57,69
their product early they don't like to
be held up and as it seems the proposal

1254
01:52:57,70 --> 01:52:58,42
would require

1255
01:52:58,43 --> 01:53:12,74
a loading dock for the
co-op Thank you. Mayor

1256
01:53:12,75 --> 01:53:19,52
Sturton council members I am speaking on
behalf of fifteen design professionals in

1257
01:53:19,56 --> 01:53:20,86
Tacoma Park and

1258
01:53:20,87 --> 01:53:25,10
a letter has been submitted to you all
with this information and I think it will

1259
01:53:25,11 --> 01:53:30,39
fit within three minutes and I'll do
my best. We are writing to you as

1260
01:53:30,40 --> 01:53:34,97
professionals in the field of architecture
and design and we appreciate the fact

1261
01:53:34,98 --> 01:53:40,09
that US leaders of our city and many
members of our community have invested

1262
01:53:40,10 --> 01:53:46,69
a lot of time in plans for this Tacoma
junction devout the full amount. However we

1263
01:53:46,70 --> 01:53:51,08
are concerned that support from the
community is waning and there is

1264
01:53:51,09 --> 01:53:57,98
a lot of concern. Traditionally on
projects of this scale and the impact of

1265
01:53:57,99 --> 01:54:01,09
community hires an onerous
representative who is

1266
01:54:01,38 --> 01:54:07,81
a professional who is dedicated
to capturing the intensity and

1267
01:54:08,74 --> 01:54:10,00
of this challenge and this is

1268
01:54:10,01 --> 01:54:16,44
a specialist in the various issues that are
coming up on them tonight and all along

1269
01:54:17,38 --> 01:54:20,03
and their job would be charged to develop

1270
01:54:20,04 --> 01:54:26,80
a program that clearly defines the programs.
Of the problem and functions of the

1271
01:54:26,81 --> 01:54:32,29
project in the programming face goals
are clarified relevant information is

1272
01:54:32,30 --> 01:54:37,09
gathered and priorities are established
the success of a project depends on

1273
01:54:37,10 --> 01:54:42,46
a shared understanding of these
requirements. The city has produced

1274
01:54:42,47 --> 01:54:49,40
a number of important documents that have
elements of the development as it needs

1275
01:54:49,41 --> 01:54:53,84
to go forward but what has been missing is
the articulation of the requirements and

1276
01:54:53,85 --> 01:54:59,51
the expectations in clear concise
measurable and accountable terms.

1277
01:55:00,72 --> 01:55:03,57
And we feel that that
is needed to to define

1278
01:55:03,58 --> 01:55:08,37
a successful project we had
vies us the council to take

1279
01:55:08,38 --> 01:55:14,37
a critical mid-course correction and to
enable us to really take best advantage of

1280
01:55:14,38 --> 01:55:18,25
this opportunity while it will
take some time to complete

1281
01:55:18,26 --> 01:55:23,97
a program of the upfront investment will
save time irreversible decisions and lost

1282
01:55:23,98 --> 01:55:25,88
opportunities here is

1283
01:55:25,89 --> 01:55:31,50
a suggested pathway going forward recognize
that the documents development today do

1284
01:55:31,51 --> 01:55:35,52
not sufficiently design
define a program and

1285
01:55:35,82 --> 01:55:40,82
a concept design worthy of council approval
we don't have enough information yet

1286
01:55:41,81 --> 01:55:47,82
hire an experienced owner's representative
are using Can I continue for you there

1287
01:55:47,83 --> 01:55:48,05
is like

1288
01:55:48,06 --> 01:55:54,87
a thank you. Hire an experienced owner's
representative. And generate and

1289
01:55:54,93 --> 01:55:55,35
outline

1290
01:55:55,36 --> 01:56:00,82
a program like we just like I described
earlier conduct an intensive community

1291
01:56:00,83 --> 01:56:05,58
programming and design Charette. This
would be we're in a great place we have

1292
01:56:05,59 --> 01:56:06,55
a developer we have

1293
01:56:06,56 --> 01:56:11,65
a lot of people at the table it would
be open to the public would be led by

1294
01:56:11,69 --> 01:56:17,70
a share at facilitator it would include
independent design professionals Thank you

1295
01:56:17,71 --> 01:56:20,73
that's that's all the time we have your
letter thank you and could you give your

1296
01:56:20,74 --> 01:56:27,51
name and. What's that. Yes I'm
Geoffrey Luke I'm an architect in Ward

1297
01:56:27,52 --> 01:56:29,99
one great thank you so much and
thank you for sending the letter.

1298
01:56:40,61 --> 01:56:41,64
I'm Joseph Klock never

1299
01:56:41,65 --> 01:56:45,46
a resident of War two for over
thirty years and the owner of

1300
01:56:45,47 --> 01:56:50,42
a design and construction business and to
come apart for thirty five years. I wish

1301
01:56:50,43 --> 01:56:54,01
to explore the recent lease
terminations letter sent to the T.P.S.

1302
01:56:54,02 --> 01:56:54,92
a Sculpin intice

1303
01:56:54,93 --> 01:57:00,86
a patient of initiating the ground lease
with and to see on September first. In

1304
01:57:00,87 --> 01:57:03,15
a recent exchange the
city manager explained to

1305
01:57:03,16 --> 01:57:07,49
a constituent that if the council
votes yes to proceeding with N.B.C.

1306
01:57:07,50 --> 01:57:13,36
And I emphasize if only then would the
county review process move forward the

1307
01:57:13,37 --> 01:57:16,95
county process entails reviews comments
revisions in approvals by half

1308
01:57:16,96 --> 01:57:22,76
a dozen or more agencies the state review
process they had several more the city

1309
01:57:22,77 --> 01:57:26,74
manager further explained that at any time
throughout this process the city and or

1310
01:57:26,75 --> 01:57:27,23
N.B.C.

1311
01:57:27,24 --> 01:57:31,92
Can walk away although this may be technically
accurate we are all familiar with

1312
01:57:31,93 --> 01:57:38,12
the phrase foot in the door. The etymology
of this phrase evokes images of the

1313
01:57:38,13 --> 01:57:40,43
proverbial salesman who
knocks on your door and with

1314
01:57:40,44 --> 01:57:46,03
a friendly grin. Yet you open up
just slightly just enough to get

1315
01:57:46,04 --> 01:57:50,33
a foot in so that you can't close
the door unfortunately N.B.C.

1316
01:57:50,34 --> 01:57:51,79
Already has way more than

1317
01:57:51,80 --> 01:57:55,89
a foot in the door here and is not going
to back away from the sweet deal easily.

1318
01:57:58,24 --> 01:58:03,42
Which brings me back to the terminations
letter and the groundless initiation once

1319
01:58:03,43 --> 01:58:03,89
N.B.C.

1320
01:58:03,90 --> 01:58:07,95
Has legal rights to the city lot they
control the use of the lot they literally

1321
01:58:07,96 --> 01:58:13,27
have the ability to shut the co-op down
presumably with very short notice according

1322
01:58:13,28 --> 01:58:15,59
to N.B.C.'s project schedule
they will not be in

1323
01:58:15,60 --> 01:58:19,00
a position to do anything substantive
on the city lot until November of two

1324
01:58:19,01 --> 01:58:23,68
thousand and nineteen Why are we initiating
a ninety nine year commitment over

1325
01:58:23,69 --> 01:58:28,40
a year prior to end the season need to
utilize the property. This is totally

1326
01:58:28,41 --> 01:58:30,48
premature and not only gives N.B.C.

1327
01:58:30,49 --> 01:58:35,13
a Foot in the door Believe me at that
point they are in the front foyer of.

1328
01:58:36,22 --> 01:58:39,30
Reasonable accommodation This is
what the city has asked N.B.C.

1329
01:58:39,31 --> 01:58:44,26
To provide to the co-op but the city in
executing the ground lease prematurely is

1330
01:58:44,27 --> 01:58:48,63
giving them the keys to the kingdom for
those of us who have ever been renters know

1331
01:58:48,64 --> 01:58:53,35
what it's like to negotiate with your
landlord. Any of us who have dealt with the

1332
01:58:53,36 --> 01:58:57,12
county or permit in process know full well
that the likely bumps in the road are

1333
01:58:57,13 --> 01:59:03,26
numerous and the time frames are frequently
woefully underestimated there are so

1334
01:59:03,27 --> 01:59:07,15
many potential obstacles in this process
that end the season need to access and

1335
01:59:07,16 --> 01:59:08,69
control the lot is well over

1336
01:59:08,70 --> 01:59:13,78
a year away. Resolving the legal ramifications
of the door ownership conundrum

1337
01:59:13,79 --> 01:59:14,23
alone is

1338
01:59:14,24 --> 01:59:19,85
a serious legal and time consuming obstacle.
To sum up I respectfully request the

1339
01:59:19,86 --> 01:59:23,90
mayor and council to direct the city manager
to renegotiate the initiation date of

1340
01:59:23,91 --> 01:59:24,65
the ground lease to

1341
01:59:24,66 --> 01:59:29,04
a time that makes practical sense doesn't
place the Co-op's current use of the lot

1342
01:59:29,05 --> 01:59:33,54
in jeopardy allows enough time for the
review and approval process to actually play

1343
01:59:33,55 --> 01:59:38,09
itself out and protect the city from
potential legal consequences should and D.C.

1344
01:59:38,10 --> 01:59:42,46
Fail in this efforts to obtain not only
the requisite permits to proceed but the

1345
01:59:42,47 --> 01:59:47,25
approved financing as well let's not repeat
the failure of Mt Rainier and continue

1346
01:59:47,37 --> 01:59:48,43
counting on the D.C.

1347
01:59:48,44 --> 01:59:52,22
To come through Thank you the repercussions
of initiating this lease prematurely

1348
01:59:52,23 --> 01:59:55,13
are dangerous at best and
potentially disastrous on my worst

1349
01:59:56,08 --> 02:00:02,66
perhaps.

1350
02:00:05,43 --> 02:00:11,05
I'm Susie Cheston seventy one seventeen
Sycamore Avenue I have nothing to add to

1351
02:00:11,06 --> 02:00:15,17
these very expert comments
I'm just speaking as

1352
02:00:15,79 --> 02:00:20,89
a constituent and as somebody who has
been following with great interest and

1353
02:00:20,90 --> 02:00:26,67
a lot of dismay what has
seemed to be very thoughtful

1354
02:00:27,23 --> 02:00:34,05
expert in fact impressively expert fact
based analysis of various projected

1355
02:00:34,06 --> 02:00:40,63
paths that from my limited experience have
been met with Oh don't worry we'll work

1356
02:00:40,64 --> 02:00:47,54
it out later and oh don't worry we know
best and so it has been. You know in

1357
02:00:47,55 --> 02:00:54,29
the in the context of my need to
have to come a park demonstrate

1358
02:00:54,30 --> 02:00:59,36
a democratic process where constituents
are really listened to it's been

1359
02:00:59,40 --> 02:01:06,37
distressing to witness. And I would
just like to say one comment

1360
02:01:06,42 --> 02:01:11,27
this this idea about you know around eight
am or before eight am having that be the

1361
02:01:11,28 --> 02:01:15,15
time when the trucks come that is the
time the children are crossing that

1362
02:01:15,16 --> 02:01:21,49
intersection and if you have spent any
time at that intersection you know how

1363
02:01:21,50 --> 02:01:27,53
active that is and how many young children
are have been at risk even now with our

1364
02:01:27,54 --> 02:01:33,63
current situation much less with this
potential new situation so I would just like

1365
02:01:33,64 --> 02:01:38,48
to to ask emphasize this don't put the foot
in the door don't allow them to put in

1366
02:01:38,49 --> 02:01:43,56
the four foot in the door and don't execute
the ground least until these things are

1367
02:01:43,57 --> 02:01:45,20
worked out and until there is

1368
02:01:45,21 --> 02:01:49,00
a clear path for the co-op to
survive for the future thank you.

1369
02:01:59,32 --> 02:02:06,20
Hello I'm just an Mary from Ward two and.
I'm going to be just here to tell you

1370
02:02:06,21 --> 02:02:11,22
that I believe there is strong support for
the development unfortunately not all of

1371
02:02:11,23 --> 02:02:16,29
us can be here we have families we have
you know work we work late hours right of

1372
02:02:16,30 --> 02:02:21,44
the country in the case of my wife she is
hand foot mouth disease or. So she can't

1373
02:02:21,45 --> 02:02:23,73
be here. But I do have

1374
02:02:23,74 --> 02:02:27,76
a list of people and now that I just blew
it out of my phone of people who want to

1375
02:02:27,77 --> 02:02:32,56
be just to let you know that they strongly
support this development Max Parness on

1376
02:02:32,60 --> 02:02:38,34
Aspen Avenue Stuart Sarkozy a Nazi
from Piney Branch been rough L.

1377
02:02:38,38 --> 02:02:45,01
From Cleveland Ave Ashley Nugent from
Dell for Dr Allison MacDonald Jessica

1378
02:02:45,02 --> 02:02:50,75
Helen and Cesar opinion is from Central
Avenue Aaron O'Brien from Ethan Allen

1379
02:02:51,15 --> 02:02:52,19
Corwin J.

1380
02:02:52,27 --> 02:02:57,40
From Ethan Allen Morgan Snider from Ethan
Allen and I'm also I want to and I don't

1381
02:02:57,94 --> 02:03:01,52
know these folks are unable to be here for
the reasons that I just described let me

1382
02:03:01,53 --> 02:03:05,80
add two more names Rachel letter and
Paul Mackey also from Ward two strongly

1383
02:03:05,81 --> 02:03:10,32
support this development. So that's pretty
much all I have to say is that there

1384
02:03:10,33 --> 02:03:10,73
really is

1385
02:03:10,74 --> 02:03:14,16
a contingent of us that thinks this should
move forward we don't think there should

1386
02:03:14,17 --> 02:03:19,65
be any more delays you know we want to
vote yes on the current plan we think it's

1387
02:03:19,66 --> 02:03:23,18
going to generate income that the city
desperately needs to fund progressive

1388
02:03:23,19 --> 02:03:27,81
priorities. And thank you very much.

1389
02:03:39,07 --> 02:03:44,43
Hello my name's Megan Scrivener I live
in Willow Avenue in Ward one so I've

1390
02:03:44,44 --> 02:03:45,28
listened or been

1391
02:03:45,29 --> 02:03:49,79
a part of about six of these sessions and
each time I've heard heartfelt thoughtful

1392
02:03:49,80 --> 02:03:54,35
and largely civil testimonies and while
many myself included have strong feelings

1393
02:03:54,36 --> 02:03:57,65
about this development I still contend
that we are not as far apart as we may

1394
02:03:57,66 --> 02:04:01,79
appear in these hearings from what I've
heard here most people want some kind of

1395
02:04:02,36 --> 02:04:05,68
injunction people want locally
owned stores and restaurants and

1396
02:04:05,69 --> 02:04:09,78
a real public space serve in the full
diversity of our community people want

1397
02:04:09,79 --> 02:04:13,84
loading systems that will work the co-op
the new restaurants and businesses and

1398
02:04:13,85 --> 02:04:18,35
people want to keep it Esther and safe and
avoid gridlock the disagreements come in

1399
02:04:18,36 --> 02:04:20,26
how to balance these
interests and do it in

1400
02:04:20,27 --> 02:04:25,21
a way that fits base these tensions are
natural to any undertaking especially one

1401
02:04:25,22 --> 02:04:26,50
this big and in

1402
02:04:26,51 --> 02:04:30,37
a community where people really care about
what happens so how do we move beyond

1403
02:04:30,38 --> 02:04:34,92
the disagreements in our blog Mary Stuart
noted that the formal meeting set up is

1404
02:04:34,93 --> 02:04:39,22
not conducive real dialogue and back and
forth conversations with residents I

1405
02:04:39,23 --> 02:04:43,59
couldn't agree more these meetings typical
council meetings every where forced us

1406
02:04:43,60 --> 02:04:47,02
to fit our remarks into three minute
segments which inevitably mean that our

1407
02:04:47,03 --> 02:04:48,76
research perspective and insights

1408
02:04:48,77 --> 02:04:53,22
a resource reduce to short talking points
that also lead some to reduce the views

1409
02:04:53,23 --> 02:04:56,73
of others down to points that can be easily
dismissed further leading to the kind

1410
02:04:56,74 --> 02:05:01,97
of divisions frustrations and anger that
if that many experiences this process and

1411
02:05:01,98 --> 02:05:06,52
then you have to sit here for hours without
giving any sign that you have heard us

1412
02:05:06,53 --> 02:05:10,31
or whether you agree or disagree or even
the opportunity to ask questions to better

1413
02:05:10,32 --> 02:05:14,53
understand the issues and points being
made so yes I agree this is not conducive

1414
02:05:14,89 --> 02:05:19,48
dialogue and back and forth conversations
with residents more importantly these

1415
02:05:19,49 --> 02:05:24,05
meetings are not conducive conversations
between residents I'm sorry I missed your

1416
02:05:24,06 --> 02:05:28,38
comments about your upcoming July ninth
meeting but as I understand it you're

1417
02:05:28,39 --> 02:05:28,80
working with

1418
02:05:28,81 --> 02:05:33,67
a facilitator on those I ask you when you
look at the facility that meaning that

1419
02:05:33,68 --> 02:05:39,22
you focus not so much as the interaction
between council members. And residence but

1420
02:05:39,23 --> 02:05:44,98
more and how to facilitate conversations
between within and between communities the

1421
02:05:44,99 --> 02:05:49,26
communities and we need facilitators sessions
where the community can talk together

1422
02:05:49,27 --> 02:05:53,03
in large and small groups including
the council members where we can have

1423
02:05:53,04 --> 02:05:56,35
a chance to find the places where we are
in agreement and work through the places

1424
02:05:56,36 --> 02:06:00,66
where we disagree I'd also be OK with
people representing the different sides

1425
02:06:00,67 --> 02:06:04,38
coming together with council members to
talk to the issues and come to agreement or

1426
02:06:04,39 --> 02:06:04,73
at least

1427
02:06:04,74 --> 02:06:09,55
a riot at reasonable compromises we have
many skilled mediators in this community

1428
02:06:09,84 --> 02:06:11,57
surely some of them could help us find

1429
02:06:11,58 --> 02:06:14,30
a way to talk about that's
together this is not meant to be

1430
02:06:14,31 --> 02:06:18,01
a delaying tactic these meetings will take
some time but they don't have to stretch

1431
02:06:18,02 --> 02:06:21,37
on forever and the benefits and goodwill
in the successful development will be

1432
02:06:21,38 --> 02:06:25,53
worth it please let's be willing to be
creative engage in real dialogue and find

1433
02:06:25,54 --> 02:06:27,24
a way forward together Thank you.

1434
02:06:40,60 --> 02:06:47,44
Hello. My name's Dan Rather and son and
I lived in the park for over thirty

1435
02:06:47,45 --> 02:06:50,12
years raise my family here and still own

1436
02:06:50,13 --> 02:06:55,89
a home an office building small office
building in Ward three and I have

1437
02:06:55,90 --> 02:07:01,44
a letter to read. It starts dear Mary Stewart
and council members diabolical Custer

1438
02:07:01,48 --> 02:07:07,86
coworkers even Circe against me. Because
as former kid city council members we have

1439
02:07:07,87 --> 02:07:11,26
speciate the serious thought and considerable
time you have invested in Tacoma

1440
02:07:11,27 --> 02:07:15,36
junction development we respect the efforts
of the mayor and council as well as

1441
02:07:15,37 --> 02:07:21,54
city staff. Many community stakeholders as
well as developer and consultants we can

1442
02:07:21,55 --> 02:07:26,22
identify with the sense of getting this
project done now after long hours of public

1443
02:07:26,23 --> 02:07:31,22
debate the lengthy complex and contentious
process has led has led to even more

1444
02:07:31,23 --> 02:07:36,95
questions and some issues such as traffic
implications not fully answered despite

1445
02:07:36,96 --> 02:07:38,40
many great efforts there is still

1446
02:07:38,41 --> 02:07:42,60
a tremendous amount of community disagreement
which unless resolved will threaten

1447
02:07:42,61 --> 02:07:47,49
the larger sense of community for which
to come park is no. We urge you to take

1448
02:07:47,50 --> 02:07:51,91
additional time for consideration and debate
to assure that Tacoma junction becomes

1449
02:07:51,92 --> 02:07:56,06
a vital part of a larger community
vision as you prepare for

1450
02:07:56,07 --> 02:08:00,12
a vote on the Tacoma Jarka junction site
plan we former council members would like

1451
02:08:00,13 --> 02:08:03,67
to share the following
thoughts to come a park is

1452
02:08:03,68 --> 02:08:08,35
a built city two of us served on the
council in the one nine hundred eighty S.

1453
02:08:08,54 --> 02:08:08,79
It was

1454
02:08:08,80 --> 02:08:14,04
a time when the city was coming out of
bank redlining issues deposits from T.P.

1455
02:08:14,05 --> 02:08:18,83
Welcome housing loans not so much and
beginning to deal with issues of

1456
02:08:18,97 --> 02:08:23,92
gentrification we are unsure whether any
of the traffic study options will have

1457
02:08:23,97 --> 02:08:28,17
a positive impact in the short term however
however we do believe that none of the

1458
02:08:28,19 --> 02:08:29,46
options will make Tacoma Park

1459
02:08:29,47 --> 02:08:35,01
a better place to live in the long term
even acceptable level levels of traffic

1460
02:08:35,02 --> 02:08:39,50
today will likely mean unacceptable levels
tomorrow and create pressure in an area

1461
02:08:39,51 --> 02:08:44,42
where white road widening a neighborhood
spillover are unacceptable. In

1462
02:08:44,43 --> 02:08:50,46
a community like Tacoma Park process is
at least as important as product and

1463
02:08:50,55 --> 02:08:55,13
they've you've heard that before and after
so many for so many of us who came to

1464
02:08:55,14 --> 02:08:57,62
Tacoma Park the goal was
a city welcoming for all

1465
02:08:57,63 --> 02:09:02,13
a city open to seeking out and hearing all
opinions it is that view that took us

1466
02:09:02,14 --> 02:09:07,79
beyond City to communities well we understand
the desire of the council to consider

1467
02:09:08,09 --> 02:09:12,50
I might go over just thirty seconds on this
I read it before and I and I'm speaking

1468
02:09:12,51 --> 02:09:16,57
on behalf of seven former counselor seventy
seven minutes at thirty seconds and

1469
02:09:16,58 --> 02:09:21,53
a lot of people lined up please I understand.
Well maybe I'll skip skip ahead.

1470
02:09:23,51 --> 02:09:26,46
I'll go to the last paragraph you know
have your traffic studies you do not have

1471
02:09:26,47 --> 02:09:30,05
a unified community we encourage you
to take some more time bring together

1472
02:09:30,06 --> 02:09:34,58
representatives of all stakeholders keep
your minds open and tasks and task them

1473
02:09:34,59 --> 02:09:40,17
with creating several consecutive consensus
options for your group for your review

1474
02:09:40,17 --> 02:09:47,12
. My own opinion this is signed by. Lynn

1475
02:09:47,13 --> 02:09:53,37
Bradley so surely the bank Pransky Jim do
Luigi and myself and I would encourage

1476
02:09:53,38 --> 02:09:58,54
you to look at the. Weaver Street Market
co-op in the Great thank you Harborough

1477
02:09:58,70 --> 02:10:02,30
North Carolina like a little waiting
I understand I'm here who've done

1478
02:10:02,31 --> 02:10:06,68
a great job and taking it exist I do
understand can you can the next person please

1479
02:10:06,69 --> 02:10:07,51
come now thank you.

1480
02:10:14,05 --> 02:10:19,39
Hello. David Korn from Word three my
wife has lived in Tacoma Park for around

1481
02:10:19,40 --> 02:10:22,06
twenty years and I've lived
in CO park for about

1482
02:10:22,07 --> 02:10:27,39
a year well visiting admiring the city and
its by since I arrived in the area about

1483
02:10:27,40 --> 02:10:32,03
a decade ago as we all know there
is change afoot in and around to go

1484
02:10:32,04 --> 02:10:37,39
a park that you can see and then you can
feel some quite good but not all some

1485
02:10:37,40 --> 02:10:42,64
changes like increased traffic and development
density give the body pas to give

1486
02:10:42,65 --> 02:10:47,35
a body part about developments like the
one proposed that junction. There's

1487
02:10:47,36 --> 02:10:52,04
a nightmare scenario that continues to
loom involving increased traffic at the

1488
02:10:52,05 --> 02:10:53,80
coming junction the loss of

1489
02:10:53,81 --> 02:10:59,88
a cherished community that touched down
and thereby diminishment community of all

1490
02:10:59,89 --> 02:11:06,51
of our community seeming abit of
course will let this. Come to pass and

1491
02:11:07,00 --> 02:11:11,95
neither should we it isn't coming upon us
all to be vigilant in this regard and I

1492
02:11:11,96 --> 02:11:17,43
applaud the council's efforts in that
direction Montgomery County writ large will

1493
02:11:17,59 --> 02:11:21,41
need more development in years
to come but the cost of

1494
02:11:21,42 --> 02:11:24,53
a co-op without fully stocked
goods on its shelves is

1495
02:11:24,54 --> 02:11:27,36
a grocery store that doesn't
sell groceries and that's

1496
02:11:27,37 --> 02:11:32,65
a cost to high Thank you for your time
tonight and your continued vigilance in had

1497
02:11:32,66 --> 02:11:33,56
getting the community.

1498
02:11:42,52 --> 02:11:46,08
Good evening my name's Eric leave my live
at seventy five hundred Carroll Avenue

1499
02:11:46,40 --> 02:11:47,99
director of design for a large D.C.

1500
02:11:48,00 --> 02:11:50,01
Based architecture firm
which is engaged in

1501
02:11:50,02 --> 02:11:55,15
a great deal of urban mixed use primarily
multifamily residential plus retail

1502
02:11:55,62 --> 02:11:59,47
pretty much continuously for the past
fifteen years have been working one of the

1503
02:11:59,48 --> 02:12:03,59
nation's leading retail developers federal
realty first at Rockville town square

1504
02:12:03,60 --> 02:12:07,52
and more recently at the pike and Rose
development near White Flint hopefully in

1505
02:12:07,53 --> 02:12:11,60
that time I've learned some lessons
regarding retail architecture one hundred

1506
02:12:11,61 --> 02:12:15,57
percent underground parking will be problematic
federal realty would never proceed

1507
02:12:15,58 --> 02:12:19,27
on a retail development without some
great parking it doesn't need to be

1508
02:12:19,28 --> 02:12:19,94
a lot just

1509
02:12:19,95 --> 02:12:24,17
a handful of spaces which can be quite
short term but it's absolutely mandatory

1510
02:12:24,18 --> 02:12:28,48
that someone can easily drop off grandma
at the front door or be able to run into

1511
02:12:28,49 --> 02:12:28,82
pick up

1512
02:12:28,83 --> 02:12:33,43
a large purchase purchase if it isn't easy
retailers will have plenty of options to

1513
02:12:33,44 --> 02:12:37,45
go elsewhere but the overarching problem
with the current proposal is the

1514
02:12:37,46 --> 02:12:39,44
unprecedented lack of Austria eat

1515
02:12:39,62 --> 02:12:44,12
a combination front loading and trash
removal when working with ARC developers in

1516
02:12:44,13 --> 02:12:49,08
my role it goes without saying that my task
is to provide the maximum density yield

1517
02:12:49,09 --> 02:12:54,51
on all projects but that maximum yields
needs to account for servicing that's the

1518
02:12:54,52 --> 02:12:59,06
responsibility of the developer to keep
loading and stinky trash removal out of the

1519
02:12:59,07 --> 02:13:04,19
public realm jamming fifty thousand square
foot of density on the site and placing

1520
02:13:04,20 --> 02:13:06,07
BACK OF HOUSE functions in the middle of

1521
02:13:06,08 --> 02:13:09,74
a sidewalk right at the public
part of the junction strikes me as

1522
02:13:09,75 --> 02:13:14,83
a bad deal I'm frustrated because the
issue is absolutely solvable I drew up

1523
02:13:14,84 --> 02:13:18,79
a modification of the street sense scheme
which I shared with Mayor Stewart and

1524
02:13:18,80 --> 02:13:21,19
several council persons which creates

1525
02:13:21,23 --> 02:13:25,42
a little one way loop drive behind the
development which would allow all loading

1526
02:13:25,43 --> 02:13:31,01
and trash collection to occur and out
of public sight and smell the notion is

1527
02:13:31,02 --> 02:13:35,36
coming off care all instead of immediately
driving down or. Ramp one would drive on

1528
02:13:35,37 --> 02:13:37,37
grade for around one
hundred feet before making

1529
02:13:37,38 --> 02:13:42,64
a left turn and ramping down to the
garage below trucks up to fifty five foot

1530
02:13:42,65 --> 02:13:47,71
length would utilize the same entry and
continue to loop around the back at grade

1531
02:13:47,92 --> 02:13:51,85
and exit out between the co-op and the new
building directly into the intersection

1532
02:13:52,24 --> 02:13:57,61
cars that ramp up from the garage and
utilize the same signalized eagerness from

1533
02:13:57,62 --> 02:14:02,91
Carol Avenue the project will look virtually
the same street sense is handsome

1534
02:14:02,92 --> 02:14:07,27
facades or be retained the only change
being the ten foot separation between the

1535
02:14:07,28 --> 02:14:07,66
co-op

1536
02:14:07,67 --> 02:14:12,15
a new construction would be would increase
by around fifteen feet virtually all the

1537
02:14:12,16 --> 02:14:16,68
viable street front retail would be preserved
the overall project would decrease in

1538
02:14:16,69 --> 02:14:17,32
size by about

1539
02:14:17,33 --> 02:14:21,06
a third which I believe would put the
project back to the size originally

1540
02:14:21,10 --> 02:14:23,20
envisioned the plan we share with N.B.C.

1541
02:14:23,21 --> 02:14:26,96
Was quickly dismissed because it wouldn't
accommodate seventy three foot trucks I

1542
02:14:26,97 --> 02:14:31,05
was not the intent I believe we'd all be
happy to make the sections for the co-op

1543
02:14:31,06 --> 02:14:35,07
a substantial lay by would still be
constructed which could accommodate necessary

1544
02:14:35,08 --> 02:14:40,62
drop offs and short term plot parking plus
unloading for those co-op deliveries and

1545
02:14:40,63 --> 02:14:45,21
trucks exceeding fifty five feet only the
great majority of deliveries to the co-op

1546
02:14:45,22 --> 02:14:49,73
to still take place off street as well as
all trash pick ups and general conflicts

1547
02:14:49,74 --> 02:14:56,72
of the vastly mitigating in time thank
you really have to practice. Practice in

1548
02:14:56,73 --> 02:15:03,05
office oh it's just man it's not that
you gotta quit clock to. Think for.

1549
02:15:06,80 --> 02:15:11,65
Getting the mayor and council on Robin but
I live only and down and you've seen me

1550
02:15:11,66 --> 02:15:15,61
before so I want to thank you Mayor for
reaching out to me I haven't gotten back to

1551
02:15:15,62 --> 02:15:21,86
you yet in your in your your e-mail you
mentioned that you were hoping that the

1552
02:15:22,08 --> 02:15:28,34
negotiations the mediation would be complete
before the vote still it seems to me

1553
02:15:28,74 --> 02:15:30,99
a little difficult to
take the mediation is

1554
02:15:31,00 --> 02:15:35,67
a true good faith effort if the intent is
to vote before. The mediation is complete

1555
02:15:36,01 --> 02:15:40,33
that just seems like put the cart before
the horse the other thing is I have

1556
02:15:40,34 --> 02:15:46,76
a question for my representative Casey
and that was. And I never thought I'd be

1557
02:15:46,77 --> 02:15:51,09
doing this hearing to come park asking the
question so follow the money so I was

1558
02:15:51,10 --> 02:15:57,03
looking at the campaign donations and
most of your campaign money came from to

1559
02:15:57,04 --> 02:16:00,98
donors one of whom lives in New York
and it's an art gallery in D.C.

1560
02:16:01,36 --> 02:16:05,20
And the other one lives
in Silver Spring and is

1561
02:16:06,15 --> 02:16:11,54
a real estate investor and I don't know
who those people are and I don't know why

1562
02:16:11,58 --> 02:16:18,08
they were willing to invest so handsomely
in your campaign I would like that

1563
02:16:18,09 --> 02:16:22,44
question answered. Next.

1564
02:16:32,97 --> 02:16:39,62
Good evening my name is Ben Miller from
Ward three. Ask you one. Link I believe I'm

1565
02:16:39,63 --> 02:16:45,48
worth three. I'm here representing or we
are here representing seventy three young

1566
02:16:45,49 --> 02:16:49,20
people from Tacoma and others who grew
up spending time to convert to voice our

1567
02:16:49,21 --> 02:16:53,22
feelings about the use of the public lot
these signatures were collected over the

1568
02:16:53,23 --> 02:16:57,35
past twenty four hours alone and the list
is growing by the minute our statement

1569
02:16:57,36 --> 02:17:02,11
reads as follows those of us young folks
sign below urge you to vote no on the

1570
02:17:02,12 --> 02:17:06,48
proposed junction say plan we are concerned
about the racial and socioeconomic

1571
02:17:06,49 --> 02:17:11,46
exclusion that undeniably results from
this huge high end retail development and

1572
02:17:11,47 --> 02:17:15,73
instead urge you to put community
before corporations by considering

1573
02:17:15,74 --> 02:17:19,01
a plan which would be more
communal. By considering

1574
02:17:19,02 --> 02:17:24,14
a plan with more communal and free space
the following forty six young to park

1575
02:17:24,15 --> 02:17:31,07
residents of voting age to sign the statement
is about Hendrix Tacoma Park. Park

1576
02:17:31,40 --> 02:17:37,82
Eliza walk near Tacoma Park.
Trevor Gibson out alone you know

1577
02:17:37,83 --> 02:17:43,44
boxing Michael launced or Korn solid
can Jari Dio Kramer Alex Franzen.

1578
02:17:44,84 --> 02:17:46,15
Ben Segal gen-u.

1579
02:17:46,16 --> 02:17:51,99
Bates hockey Johnson Layla Bartholet
Lucas Ritchie Adrian Cohn De Jean Jarvis

1580
02:17:51,100 --> 02:17:58,99
Gibson Sam downplaying Nick you get Jacob
Brini Sandy Hunter miles away. Peter

1581
02:17:58,100 --> 02:18:05,98
burger Alex Ferrer. Dana cook
Matty Cohen Aaron Nolan Emilio

1582
02:18:05,99 --> 02:18:12,10
Langer Connor James John fair to change
fair Becker Richie Mariel Caprio go

1583
02:18:12,78 --> 02:18:19,38
Amy Miller Alison Goodman national ruther
Molly Ellis and Paul monger. Jesse broad

1584
02:18:19,39 --> 02:18:25,07
command. And lot of. The following young
people from surrounding Marilyn town.

1585
02:18:29,59 --> 02:18:32,42
The following young people from
surrounding Maryland towns and D.C.

1586
02:18:32,43 --> 02:18:37,56
Also joined us in signing my Montenegro
Silver Spring Emmanuel Enrique set our own

1587
02:18:37,67 --> 02:18:43,08
Silver Spring Will Buckley D.C.
Called Garcia. Washington D.C.

1588
02:18:43,09 --> 02:18:48,36
Amir price D C Connor Smith Silver Spring
you know me Weintraub Silver Spring Alex

1589
02:18:48,37 --> 02:18:55,22
Michel Silver Spring. Silver Spring.
Silver Spring Summer Spring

1590
02:18:55,41 --> 02:19:00,26
Jonathan Chang mean Kyon
so responding. A J.J.

1591
02:19:00,33 --> 02:19:04,27
Columbia Matthew key can sing
Silver Spring why equality on

1592
02:19:04,28 --> 02:19:06,11
a silver spring Serina far

1593
02:19:06,12 --> 02:19:12,92
a key Silver Spring Marco saw on blue
color Silver Spring James Anthony Silver

1594
02:19:12,93 --> 02:19:19,03
Spring Eric Super Bowl Bethesda Charlie
flack D C Sean Derek and Silver Spring Thea

1595
02:19:19,04 --> 02:19:25,89
Polk own D C stuff and been retailer
for Washington. So responding thank

1596
02:19:25,84 --> 02:19:26,49
you you thank

1597
02:19:34,28 --> 02:19:41,08
. But. Ron Davies the

1598
02:19:41,09 --> 02:19:44,29
process of pushing the proposed
development through regardless has been

1599
02:19:44,30 --> 02:19:46,70
a travesty of democracy there are quite

1600
02:19:46,71 --> 02:19:50,33
a few folks against the current version of
Tacoma junction development who have not

1601
02:19:50,34 --> 02:19:53,90
been heard from for instance two black
neighbors and friends of ours came to

1602
02:19:53,91 --> 02:19:57,20
a recent council meeting and though they
waited three hours we're not allowed to

1603
02:19:57,21 --> 02:20:01,51
speak those who oppose the current version
of the proposed development haven't

1604
02:20:01,52 --> 02:20:06,71
classic Orwellian language been described
as haters as in don't let the haters win

1605
02:20:07,02 --> 02:20:10,82
and it democracy neither side should
be smeared as haters just for simple

1606
02:20:10,83 --> 02:20:11,44
opposition to

1607
02:20:11,45 --> 02:20:15,85
a plan areas of the city which are in fact
interested in development and attention

1608
02:20:15,86 --> 02:20:19,30
and funding it comes with that word six
for instance have been ignored due to the

1609
02:20:19,31 --> 02:20:24,05
council's senseless obsession with the
junction I was a meeting at a meeting where

1610
02:20:24,06 --> 02:20:28,27
a word six represented race exactly this
point none of the objections to the

1611
02:20:28,28 --> 02:20:32,79
current version of development plan have
in fact been dealt with the traffic study

1612
02:20:32,80 --> 02:20:36,68
should have done long before any vote was
taken it's patently obvious that Council

1613
02:20:36,69 --> 02:20:40,72
Council intended to pursue development
regardless of the results of any traffic

1614
02:20:40,73 --> 02:20:45,45
study the traffic study when it came out
did not deal with traffic conditions and

1615
02:20:45,46 --> 02:20:50,25
neighbors close to the proposed bell and
would have to live with forever especially

1616
02:20:50,26 --> 02:20:54,84
the unavoidably worst traffic the
area will see at rush hour with

1617
02:20:54,85 --> 02:21:00,14
a proposed seventy two car underground
parking garage the council pays lip service

1618
02:21:00,15 --> 02:21:03,22
to the value of the co-op which in
fact embodies the best of its come

1619
02:21:03,23 --> 02:21:05,28
a park good wholesome food and

1620
02:21:05,29 --> 02:21:10,25
a friendly efficient and wonderfully
multicultural and multi-ethnic staff yet the

1621
02:21:10,26 --> 02:21:13,96
proposed plan will clearly cripple the co-op
for the entire period of construction

1622
02:21:14,31 --> 02:21:18,88
possibly years and possibly kill it now the
traffic funnels traffic study rules the

1623
02:21:18,98 --> 02:21:22,53
results are finally here the plan is the
trucks waiting to deliver goods to the

1624
02:21:22,54 --> 02:21:26,03
caught or to circulate around the neighborhood
and come back yet drivers as we've

1625
02:21:26,04 --> 02:21:29,64
heard have told us that earlier meetings
they would not in fact do this they would

1626
02:21:29,65 --> 02:21:34,06
just leave during the period of construction
will be dramatically more difficult to

1627
02:21:34,07 --> 02:21:38,23
find. Parking to shop at the Co-op this
one avoidably mean the shoppers will go

1628
02:21:38,24 --> 02:21:42,09
elsewhere when shoppers have changed habits
they will not be easy to win them back

1629
02:21:42,13 --> 02:21:44,63
if at all the developer and D.C.

1630
02:21:44,64 --> 02:21:49,09
And co-op are involved in mediation. It's
unclear what the council doing about this

1631
02:21:49,10 --> 02:21:52,16
what's the point of the mediation if the
council will vote to approve the current

1632
02:21:52,17 --> 02:21:56,30
plan as they've already voted to pursue
develop in the past and my putting in the

1633
02:21:56,31 --> 02:22:00,46
mayor has muddied the water on this
rather than clarifying perhaps the most

1634
02:22:00,60 --> 02:22:05,73
egregious misrepresentation by the proponents
of this version available is to claim

1635
02:22:05,74 --> 02:22:08,63
they are above all interested
in creating a community hub

1636
02:22:09,00 --> 02:22:13,18
a mute meeting place for pedestrians and
bicyclists this is patently false if

1637
02:22:13,19 --> 02:22:16,41
you're primarily interested in pedestrians
and bicyclists you would not need

1638
02:22:16,42 --> 02:22:20,66
a seventy two car underground parking
garage and that this parking garage in the

1639
02:22:20,70 --> 02:22:25,28
busy cause it attracts cannot help but bring
more congestion danger to non-drivers

1640
02:22:25,29 --> 02:22:29,45
and air pollution why should this attract
walkers and bikers when even the air will

1641
02:22:29,46 --> 02:22:33,44
be worse there are still many unanswered
questions this point is not in posture to

1642
02:22:33,45 --> 02:22:34,55
be voted on now.

1643
02:22:44,22 --> 02:22:48,81
Hi I'm Katherine Desmond out of it to thirty
eight Park Avenue and one I'm opposed

1644
02:22:48,82 --> 02:22:53,70
to the project and I urge you to vote No I
dislike both the product and the process

1645
02:22:53,92 --> 02:22:57,66
the products too big too intrusive
into the character of the surrounding

1646
02:22:57,67 --> 02:23:02,13
architecture and too boring to Weren't the
loss of free parking free parking and

1647
02:23:02,14 --> 02:23:07,39
public faith find its twentieth century
shopping center slash office complex pretty

1648
02:23:07,40 --> 02:23:11,20
dull and it disappointment for
a parcel of land that could be

1649
02:23:11,21 --> 02:23:15,23
a vibrant away three years to come what
full food did for the junction with

1650
02:23:15,24 --> 02:23:18,44
a can of paint and tasty
food then do worth

1651
02:23:18,45 --> 02:23:24,45
a proposal ten times its size can I be any
clearer I dislike the process because I

1652
02:23:24,46 --> 02:23:31,10
don't trust it. Red talked attended such
potential for misinformation rumors snark

1653
02:23:31,11 --> 02:23:38,06
dismissiveness Where is the group
hug where is the consensus traffic

1654
02:23:38,07 --> 02:23:43,01
studies mediation and racial equity are
these legitimate or are they side shows

1655
02:23:43,02 --> 02:23:47,38
that will play out after the
big tent show goes on and

1656
02:23:47,39 --> 02:23:51,87
a word seriously on racial equity I'm
so ashamed that we would proclaim such

1657
02:23:51,88 --> 02:23:57,52
a worthy ideal and give it such short
shrift does N.B.C.'s plan invite people of

1658
02:23:57,53 --> 02:24:03,22
diverse economic means to gather and get
to know each other is anyone asking N.B.C.

1659
02:24:03,23 --> 02:24:08,37
How workers on this job will be treated
is this the kind of construction project

1660
02:24:08,66 --> 02:24:13,96
that devoid of any requirements to pay
prevailing wages or offer health insurance

1661
02:24:13,97 --> 02:24:16,38
or pensions amount to

1662
02:24:16,39 --> 02:24:21,72
a race to the bottom for the workers well
and you see those contractors who might

1663
02:24:21,73 --> 02:24:22,10
provide

1664
02:24:22,11 --> 02:24:28,02
a leg up to the under-served by offering
jobs to city residents has anyone asked

1665
02:24:28,03 --> 02:24:34,64
these questions in the lens
of racial equity. Finally I

1666
02:24:34,84 --> 02:24:38,74
lived in Tacoma Park for thirty two years
three different addresses all in board

1667
02:24:38,75 --> 02:24:42,70
one I've been a renter a homeowner
single married stepmother mother

1668
02:24:42,71 --> 02:24:44,03
a commuter volunteer and

1669
02:24:44,04 --> 02:24:49,40
a shopper not just in word one but Flower
Avenue New Hampshire corridor and Langley

1670
02:24:49,41 --> 02:24:54,99
Park does anyone remember McCrory's.
Throughout all the taxpayer and voter.

1671
02:24:56,00 --> 02:25:01,42
So I want to be proud of my hometown
I want the city to shine in

1672
02:25:01,43 --> 02:25:07,74
a way that reflects its history its growth
its evolution its diversity it's the

1673
02:25:07,75 --> 02:25:12,70
deliberate to transcend differences and
going forward its ability to break new

1674
02:25:12,71 --> 02:25:18,54
ground in how we interact with each other
and the larger world you are elected

1675
02:25:18,72 --> 02:25:25,28
representatives are charged with this please
don't short sight yourselves or Us Be

1676
02:25:25,29 --> 02:25:29,17
brave move forward but vote no.

1677
02:25:38,04 --> 02:25:42,69
Good evening I'm Roger Schlegel Allegheny
Ave word three I'm come in it's night

1678
02:25:42,70 --> 02:25:45,13
strictly on the traffic studies
relevance to the N.B.C.

1679
02:25:45,14 --> 02:25:50,89
Site plan without bringing up concerns about
equity and inclusion so as I've stated

1680
02:25:50,90 --> 02:25:51,00
in

1681
02:25:51,01 --> 02:25:55,51
a detailed analysis that I sent you this
afternoon the studies in the presentations

1682
02:25:55,68 --> 02:26:02,05
upon very careful examination suggest that
the site plan could work in the District

1683
02:26:02,06 --> 02:26:08,48
of Columbia. Because it could use the value
network to handle deliveries and trash

1684
02:26:08,52 --> 02:26:09,97
because the grid of streets helps

1685
02:26:09,98 --> 02:26:13,58
a vehicle circulate because there's on
street parking and because lawn font's

1686
02:26:13,59 --> 02:26:18,41
design already provides numerous
public spaces it also could work in

1687
02:26:18,42 --> 02:26:22,85
a post World War two commercial district
like New Hampshire Avenue where planners

1688
02:26:22,86 --> 02:26:27,41
located driveways away from intersections
and favored cars or pedestrians with

1689
02:26:27,42 --> 02:26:33,00
plenty of then cheap land for parking and
roadways. But the junction isn't D.C.

1690
02:26:33,01 --> 02:26:36,11
And isn't a post-war suburb
being stuck in between it's

1691
02:26:36,12 --> 02:26:40,46
a deck to twice daily two commuters squeezing
through from one of those places to

1692
02:26:40,47 --> 02:26:45,06
the other makes for endless trade offs
more retail can add to cut through traffic

1693
02:26:45,37 --> 02:26:49,55
smoother vehicular flow and come at the
expense of pedestrians and truck deliveries

1694
02:26:49,56 --> 02:26:50,28
seem to require

1695
02:26:50,29 --> 02:26:54,26
a tricky lay by solution which according
to the traffic consultants in assessing

1696
02:26:54,66 --> 02:27:00,18
wholesale changes to the intersection just
beyond it could possibly I believe make

1697
02:27:00,19 --> 02:27:05,15
the junction unsuitable for any grocery
operation in the long term the studies say

1698
02:27:05,16 --> 02:27:05,26
that

1699
02:27:05,27 --> 02:27:09,62
a reconfigured intersection would improve
traffic flow this would rely largely on

1700
02:27:09,63 --> 02:27:14,03
eliminating all red pedestrian crossing
phases in the Grand Avenue crosswalk the

1701
02:27:14,04 --> 02:27:18,12
studies don't address upstream and downstream
effects of higher volume traffic flow

1702
02:27:18,68 --> 02:27:22,33
they don't address how reconfigured
intersection along with the development might

1703
02:27:22,34 --> 02:27:27,20
encourage or discourage cut through activity
nor do they address how soon induced

1704
02:27:27,21 --> 02:27:31,34
demand in combination with navigation apps
might invite new commuters to squeeze

1705
02:27:31,35 --> 02:27:36,84
through many key questions remain for
example how would new pedestrian routes and

1706
02:27:36,85 --> 02:27:41,10
longer parking garage queues impact customers
using business across Carroll Avenue

1707
02:27:41,82 --> 02:27:44,61
and how would a reconfigured
intersection which eliminates B.-Y.

1708
02:27:44,62 --> 02:27:47,37
Morse and Park Square
with the idea that only

1709
02:27:47,38 --> 02:27:51,07
a small public space in front of the new
development will be sufficient It's been

1710
02:27:51,08 --> 02:27:52,81
just a few weeks since we
were hearing that the Y.

1711
02:27:52,82 --> 02:27:57,90
Morse and should be the core public space
for the junction residents have shared

1712
02:27:57,92 --> 02:27:59,44
alternative plans that don't require

1713
02:27:59,45 --> 02:28:03,54
a lay by that locate the driveway away
from the curve or they create an alley

1714
02:28:03,56 --> 02:28:03,83
behind

1715
02:28:03,85 --> 02:28:07,53
a development where they align the driveway
with the existing main intersection

1716
02:28:08,11 --> 02:28:12,39
these plans include meaningful public
space for events while still allowing

1717
02:28:12,40 --> 02:28:13,15
a developer to make

1718
02:28:13,17 --> 02:28:17,08
a reasonable profit but those ideas
are basically off the table if

1719
02:28:17,08 --> 02:28:22,24
a decision to proceed with this site plan.
Or with an intersection reconfiguration

1720
02:28:22,28 --> 02:28:25,06
is made as tires we maybe this

1721
02:28:25,07 --> 02:28:29,16
a plan still requires much more thinking
consultation and probably significant

1722
02:28:29,17 --> 02:28:33,58
reworking before it could function well
in this particular location please set

1723
02:28:33,59 --> 02:28:36,49
aside the time and resources to develop

1724
02:28:36,50 --> 02:28:38,88
a plan that we won't regret
in years to come thank you.

1725
02:28:50,61 --> 02:28:54,70
Good evening my name is David Eisenhower
on the president and founder of the house

1726
02:28:54,71 --> 02:29:01,06
musical traditions forty six years in Tacoma
Park. OK So good evening it seems like

1727
02:29:01,07 --> 02:29:07,43
the fireworks have started already. This
is not this project it is not the Field of

1728
02:29:07,43 --> 02:29:12,98
Dreams in the in the movie Field of Dreams
the line was if you build it they will

1729
02:29:12,98 --> 02:29:18,68
come this project is if you build
it they will perish guaranteed

1730
02:29:19,87 --> 02:29:24,93
another thought to think about if I want
to live in Bethesda I'd move to Bethesda

1731
02:29:25,08 --> 02:29:30,28
that's what they do in Bethesda they take
square footage and they turn it in cubic

1732
02:29:30,32 --> 02:29:37,03
footage. So don't let the gate Tacoma
Park anybody wants to do it T.-Shirt I'm

1733
02:29:37,04 --> 02:29:42,26
interested. There's not that you gotta leave
the flex place just leave it where it

1734
02:29:42,27 --> 02:29:47,62
is the co-op used to sponsor concerts
with the help from this very same city

1735
02:29:47,63 --> 02:29:53,14
council who underwrote fifty to seventy
percent of the concerts How do I know that

1736
02:29:53,14 --> 02:29:59,11
. I'd produce them and without the help
of the city to run concerts to bring out

1737
02:29:59,42 --> 02:30:00,50
the people of the comb

1738
02:30:00,51 --> 02:30:04,87
a park that we wouldn't be able to do
it and you know for like twelve hundred

1739
02:30:04,88 --> 02:30:10,15
dollars we were in for concerts. Musicians
were happy I picked the largely

1740
02:30:10,16 --> 02:30:15,73
musicians from Tacoma Park. The people
attending it were happy the co-op was happy

1741
02:30:16,08 --> 02:30:21,63
free parking far enough off of Carl Avenue
so trucks and busses going by I mean it

1742
02:30:21,64 --> 02:30:21,81
was

1743
02:30:21,82 --> 02:30:26,22
a green space is just if you look down it
happened to be black instead of green so

1744
02:30:26,47 --> 02:30:26,66
put

1745
02:30:26,67 --> 02:30:36,44
a park in you know don't you
don't need this thing I mean. We

1746
02:30:36,45 --> 02:30:37,43
are we are

1747
02:30:37,99 --> 02:30:43,11
a city that celebrates the arts and celebrates
diversity Ben Miller used to hang in

1748
02:30:43,12 --> 02:30:46,35
my store when he was ten years old
I never bothered him the kid was

1749
02:30:46,36 --> 02:30:48,90
a great musician I did
be back there well in

1750
02:30:48,91 --> 02:30:51,48
a way and look at him now he's becoming

1751
02:30:51,49 --> 02:30:57,31
a leader in the community I me that's what
Tacoma Parks about diversity think of

1752
02:30:57,32 --> 02:31:02,28
the Beatles the Beatles said
speaking words of wisdom let it be.

1753
02:31:15,06 --> 02:31:19,18
Hi I'm David Black seen seven
zero one six six more ave just

1754
02:31:19,19 --> 02:31:25,89
a block from Ground Zero and I want to
repeat something I said to both the past

1755
02:31:25,90 --> 02:31:31,55
Council in this council before that I
really encourage you to take falling nicely

1756
02:31:31,56 --> 02:31:37,78
from Dave like the physicians the Hippocratic
Oath to first do no harm that I think

1757
02:31:37,79 --> 02:31:39,37
we're all aware that this is

1758
02:31:39,38 --> 02:31:45,85
a proposed development is coming from good
people with good intentions what can go

1759
02:31:45,86 --> 02:31:47,71
wrong I was going to give you

1760
02:31:47,72 --> 02:31:54,63
a little quickie on the local economy
that comes around from the co-op with the

1761
02:31:54,90 --> 02:32:00,48
local businesses like George's veggie garden
and olive tree hummus and Otis kitchen

1762
02:32:00,78 --> 02:32:05,19
but instead I'm going to read something
from my twenty one year old daughter Eva

1763
02:32:05,23 --> 02:32:05,64
who was

1764
02:32:05,65 --> 02:32:11,14
a peer and signed letter from from Ben
Miller that I think describes the stakes

1765
02:32:11,15 --> 02:32:16,65
here. I've lived next to a common Junction
my entire life has seen it evolve from

1766
02:32:16,66 --> 02:32:21,34
a run down area to thrive with many
small local businesses but one thing is

1767
02:32:21,35 --> 02:32:26,02
remained constant the co-op the
cop is a staple of Tacoma Park

1768
02:32:26,35 --> 02:32:31,41
a sign of our city's love and support for
low income families organic and healthy

1769
02:32:31,42 --> 02:32:37,04
food and support of diversity to College
Park has large long opposed large

1770
02:32:37,05 --> 02:32:42,29
corporations from entering our city and by
supporting the many small businesses in

1771
02:32:42,30 --> 02:32:43,49
this area we have

1772
02:32:43,50 --> 02:32:49,04
a duty as an inclusive and forward thinking
community to preserve important spaces

1773
02:32:49,32 --> 02:32:54,06
instead of driving them up by gentrifying
and commercializing an area that does not

1774
02:32:54,07 --> 02:32:56,45
need to be luxurious this could become

1775
02:32:56,46 --> 02:33:01,19
a community space that can be shared and
loved by all and couldn't Hansa local

1776
02:33:01,20 --> 02:33:06,29
culture and help operation and help the
local businesses instead of driving them

1777
02:33:06,30 --> 02:33:12,70
away so I want to operationalize
the term first do no harm

1778
02:33:13,33 --> 02:33:18,80
it's operationalized by the precautionary
principle that you need to be sure of

1779
02:33:18,81 --> 02:33:25,35
what you're doing before you do it for
you PROVE IT analysis more traffic

1780
02:33:25,36 --> 02:33:32,35
analysis economic analysis cost
benefit analysis risk assessment what

1781
02:33:32,36 --> 02:33:39,35
level of risk is this council willing to
bear responsibility for in terms of impact

1782
02:33:39,55 --> 02:33:45,03
to something that is actually working
really really well for our community right

1783
02:33:45,04 --> 02:33:51,62
now in Tacoma junction. So before you
vote yes to move forward I ask that

1784
02:33:51,63 --> 02:33:58,21
you make sure that you are really really
really confident that you are doing no

1785
02:33:58,22 --> 02:33:59,21
harm to

1786
02:33:59,22 --> 02:34:05,54
a community with progressive coopted of
values into an existing thriving local

1787
02:34:05,55 --> 02:34:10,16
economy thank you thank you for

1788
02:34:10,17 --> 02:34:13,09
one too.

1789
02:34:17,71 --> 02:34:24,22
Kozlov Ford three. So the ongoing disagreement
around the future of Tacoma junction

1790
02:34:24,23 --> 02:34:24,65
seems to

1791
02:34:24,66 --> 02:34:28,62
a polarized our community to the extent
that some neighbors about that completely

1792
02:34:28,63 --> 02:34:33,64
out of engaging on the issue when we
try to communicate our views to other

1793
02:34:33,65 --> 02:34:37,52
neighbors we often use neighborhood
list serv Facebook neither of which are

1794
02:34:37,53 --> 02:34:43,05
particularly conducive to civil dialogue.
On the contrary such platforms are rarely

1795
02:34:43,06 --> 02:34:47,74
used to understand what factors lead
other neighbors to hold their views but

1796
02:34:47,75 --> 02:34:50,22
there's no similarly available forum for

1797
02:34:50,23 --> 02:34:52,67
a group of residents who
disagree with each other about

1798
02:34:52,68 --> 02:34:54,50
a controversial issue to conduct

1799
02:34:54,87 --> 02:35:00,37
a safe and respectful dialogue. To help
fill this gap in informal potluck was

1800
02:35:00,38 --> 02:35:05,27
organized last Sunday which brought twelve
neighbors together on my back porch

1801
02:35:06,07 --> 02:35:10,39
though none of us wants the status quo
parking lot at the junction we hold the wide

1802
02:35:10,40 --> 02:35:14,66
range of views both about the proposed
project in the decision process that led to

1803
02:35:14,67 --> 02:35:18,51
it we also share an interest in how we
treat each other regardless of the outcome

1804
02:35:18,52 --> 02:35:23,01
of the process so our primary goal that
evening was for everyone to experience

1805
02:35:23,02 --> 02:35:28,64
being understood and to understand we
explicitly committed ourselves to curiosity

1806
02:35:28,65 --> 02:35:32,44
intellectual honesty and emotional
authenticity and we brought in

1807
02:35:32,45 --> 02:35:37,64
a facilitator from outside the community
to help us practice listening skills our

1808
02:35:37,65 --> 02:35:42,03
conversation focused on listening to each
other's views regarding the junction for

1809
02:35:42,04 --> 02:35:48,53
their underlying core values such as trust
fear accurate communication respect

1810
02:35:48,57 --> 02:35:53,53
community cohesion and accountability.
When we reverted to our familiar talking

1811
02:35:53,54 --> 02:35:57,76
points we brought ourselves back on track
and we learned that we've different

1812
02:35:57,77 --> 02:36:03,41
opinions often because we prioritize
different values when I realize that my core

1813
02:36:03,42 --> 02:36:09,14
values were heard my defenses soften and I
became more open to other points of view

1814
02:36:09,14 --> 02:36:15,51
. At this event we didn't see consensus or
even common ground on substantive issues

1815
02:36:15,89 --> 02:36:20,12
we might meet again and several of us express
interest in applying these listening

1816
02:36:20,13 --> 02:36:25,73
skills when engaging with our neighbors
going forward. Understanding each other's

1817
02:36:25,74 --> 02:36:32,16
values is by itself no solution to
disagreement however doing so does seem to

1818
02:36:32,17 --> 02:36:36,59
increase the likelihood of finding mutually
acceptable solutions to conflicts not

1819
02:36:36,60 --> 02:36:40,52
only about the junction but about other
development related challenges facing our

1820
02:36:40,53 --> 02:36:42,87
community and although this was strictly

1821
02:36:42,88 --> 02:36:47,00
a neighbor to neighbor initiative maybe
there's some implications for the city led

1822
02:36:47,01 --> 02:36:49,38
processes as well thanks very much.

1823
02:37:04,64 --> 02:37:09,57
Calling Courtis Ward one there are two
mysteries I'd like to talk about tonight may

1824
02:37:09,59 --> 02:37:13,80
not have time for both and I'm this is
not to criticize anyone but to share

1825
02:37:13,81 --> 02:37:17,53
information I think the council in residence
or would be helpful in terms of the

1826
02:37:17,55 --> 02:37:24,47
process on about May. Ninth
I asked my council member

1827
02:37:24,48 --> 02:37:28,94
Peter Cobar What was the
deadline by which the N.P.C.

1828
02:37:28,95 --> 02:37:32,09
Was supposed to have a
primary a lease with

1829
02:37:32,10 --> 02:37:38,74
a primary tenet or the city council had
the option of terminating its partnership

1830
02:37:38,75 --> 02:37:41,40
with N D C I saw that as being important

1831
02:37:41,41 --> 02:37:48,20
a lot of other residents did too because
that creates negotiating room and space

1832
02:37:48,21 --> 02:37:50,69
for the city in talking to N.B.C.

1833
02:37:50,69 --> 02:37:56,87
. Finally on May twenty third so I
started May ninth May twenty third Peter

1834
02:37:56,100 --> 02:38:02,57
finally was able to get an answer told me
that that night the city manager would be

1835
02:38:02,58 --> 02:38:06,81
talking about it he said it was complicated
but the deadline was July twenty fourth

1836
02:38:07,29 --> 02:38:10,85
that didn't seem right to me because while
waiting I'd been looking at the project

1837
02:38:10,86 --> 02:38:17,21
schedules it seemed to me more likely it
was July eleventh twenty eight teen I

1838
02:38:17,31 --> 02:38:22,59
called Grigsby Sarah Danes called me back
quite soon after that this was the day of

1839
02:38:22,60 --> 02:38:27,52
the council meeting on May twenty third
she told me the deadline was July twenty

1840
02:38:27,53 --> 02:38:32,30
fourth we discussed the reasons why I
thought it was July eleventh we agreed that

1841
02:38:32,31 --> 02:38:36,52
she could look at an earlier project schedule
because the project schedule is part

1842
02:38:36,56 --> 02:38:41,96
of the. Development agreement
she hung up call me back

1843
02:38:41,97 --> 02:38:46,04
a few minutes later and said we have a
letter signed we sent a letter to N.B.C.

1844
02:38:46,05 --> 02:38:49,29
In January two thousand and seventeen and
we said the deadline was July eleventh

1845
02:38:49,30 --> 02:38:54,09
twenty eighteen she called the city manager
to correct what the city manager was

1846
02:38:54,10 --> 02:38:59,98
about to tell the council No it's not July
twenty fourth it was July eleventh. Then

1847
02:38:59,99 --> 02:39:05,23
on May twenty fourth the day after I asked
Peter help me find out if for sure the

1848
02:39:05,24 --> 02:39:09,61
count the city house anytime after that
can't be clear with ten business days

1849
02:39:09,62 --> 02:39:14,38
warning that the that it's terminating the
agreement or does it have to do it in

1850
02:39:14,39 --> 02:39:17,95
the first ten business days which would
be about July twenty fifth the day you're

1851
02:39:17,96 --> 02:39:22,14
planning on voting He said the city
manager addressed that but she said it's

1852
02:39:22,15 --> 02:39:23,19
something like it's a little in

1853
02:39:23,20 --> 02:39:27,80
a little bit of limbo so Peter wanted to
get confirmation from the city's attorneys

1854
02:39:27,84 --> 02:39:31,82
I asked for written
confirmation. Peter eventual

1855
02:39:31,83 --> 02:39:36,56
e today has come I still didn't have an
answer I called Douglas Bregman who is the

1856
02:39:36,57 --> 02:39:40,23
development attorney he told me he had
sent Sarah Jane something about this some

1857
02:39:40,24 --> 02:39:41,40
time ago it was

1858
02:39:41,44 --> 02:39:45,46
a week or more ago he said he I think he
said some I said was it some weeks ago and

1859
02:39:45,47 --> 02:39:52,33
he said maybe. And he and and apparently
Peter had not yet heard from her. About

1860
02:39:52,34 --> 02:39:57,05
this whatever this was he couldn't recollect
whether you guys have to act by July

1861
02:39:57,06 --> 02:40:01,34
twenty fifth or you lose your option of
terminating the partnership or if you at

1862
02:40:01,38 --> 02:40:06,34
any point after this with ten days notice
can do this so I'm still waiting for an

1863
02:40:06,35 --> 02:40:09,74
answer go on that and the second mystery
will have to wait for next thank you thank

1864
02:40:09,75 --> 02:40:13,52
you. And well really in

1865
02:40:13,53 --> 02:40:20,42
a much. Time any

1866
02:40:21,03 --> 02:40:22,94
degree go just bought

1867
02:40:22,95 --> 02:40:29,76
a house in Tacoma Park and I don't know
what Ward I'm in. But. I have been

1868
02:40:30,10 --> 02:40:37,02
an area resident and person frequenting
the co-op for thirty two years originally

1869
02:40:37,03 --> 02:40:42,04
moved from Buffalo to Tacoma
Park and then now I've purchased

1870
02:40:42,05 --> 02:40:48,86
a home so I. Feel like the.
Junction is already pretty

1871
02:40:48,87 --> 02:40:54,14
congested as far as getting around
and I don't really understand how.

1872
02:40:56,04 --> 02:41:01,14
A massive development. I would
think that we should be finding

1873
02:41:01,15 --> 02:41:05,87
a way to make it easier to get around
easier for people to interact and to get to

1874
02:41:05,88 --> 02:41:12,73
the different facilities and I. Opposed
the idea of mess of development in

1875
02:41:12,74 --> 02:41:14,32
that location Thank you.

1876
02:41:23,42 --> 02:41:28,97
Here you being. One twelve Sherman
Avenue to come apart I've sent

1877
02:41:28,98 --> 02:41:32,70
a couple of letters that I'm going to read
to the ministries that one I just sent

1878
02:41:32,89 --> 02:41:38,01
first of all I think it's just described
as full that this meeting was planned so

1879
02:41:38,02 --> 02:41:42,55
far ahead and this is the turnout we get
from all of the whole city of Tacoma Park

1880
02:41:42,74 --> 02:41:47,47
everybody's too busy to attend something
that is our future I think that's just

1881
02:41:47,48 --> 02:41:54,26
deplorable but my opinion anyway I know
to change to the current tiny already

1882
02:41:54,27 --> 02:41:56,81
overcrowded area I live about two and

1883
02:41:56,82 --> 02:42:00,88
a half blocks from Ground Zero I have lived
in my current address since one nine

1884
02:42:00,89 --> 02:42:05,08
hundred seventy seven so I've seen many
changes over the years when I moved to

1885
02:42:05,09 --> 02:42:10,25
Tacoma Park of this referred to as tacky
park and then you know as it started to

1886
02:42:10,26 --> 02:42:16,81
grow due to businesses and tenant
business owners you know we

1887
02:42:16,87 --> 02:42:21,27
or where we are now the growth was mainly
due to our A superb school system and

1888
02:42:21,28 --> 02:42:27,45
resident tenants raise rents difficulty
parking all reasons why all will loose how

1889
02:42:27,46 --> 02:42:31,62
many times have you waited at the Carroll
avenue for ten traffic light I mean it's

1890
02:42:31,63 --> 02:42:35,13
ridiculous like the way it
is that Carol Avenue ten

1891
02:42:35,14 --> 02:42:39,93
a block for ten an east west does poorly
I've seen countless businesses fail most

1892
02:42:39,94 --> 02:42:45,20
of the tenants other than that no laundry
live day by day stores have been vacant

1893
02:42:45,21 --> 02:42:50,00
there for years not just months picks
up the storefronts on Carol figure out

1894
02:42:50,01 --> 02:42:55,17
a better traffic light situation make the
area more bike say leave us Northern to

1895
02:42:55,18 --> 02:42:55,41
come

1896
02:42:55,42 --> 02:43:00,13
a park or as the lone go to New Hampshire
Avenue where there's plenty of space trucks

1897
02:43:00,14 --> 02:43:01,66
won't be a problem there's

1898
02:43:01,67 --> 02:43:06,37
a bacon school in New Hampshire Avenue at
the foot of the hill below Shoppers Food

1899
02:43:06,38 --> 02:43:07,46
Warehouse there's

1900
02:43:07,47 --> 02:43:12,40
a lot of places to build but I think
we could enlarge the co-op add

1901
02:43:12,41 --> 02:43:17,49
a couple little businesses to it get rid
of that horrible wedge shaped design in

1902
02:43:17,50 --> 02:43:18,95
the middle of the street that is

1903
02:43:18,96 --> 02:43:25,30
a nuisance for anybody who's. Jogging biking
walking it's just terrible and I have

1904
02:43:25,31 --> 02:43:26,58
also been electrocuted

1905
02:43:26,59 --> 02:43:29,90
a couple of times pressing the button
when it's went to cross the street at the

1906
02:43:30,05 --> 02:43:30,52
L.R.

1907
02:43:30,52 --> 02:43:46,41
. Thank you thank you. Good

1908
02:43:46,42 --> 02:43:51,38
evening council members My name is Mike
Rose to reside on Park Avenue in Ward one.

1909
02:43:52,67 --> 02:43:58,61
I'm here in support of rebut the revitalization
effort to come in Junction. First

1910
02:43:58,62 --> 02:44:00,58
I'd like to thank the city
council for setting up

1911
02:44:00,59 --> 02:44:02,76
a schedule for them to come in Junction or

1912
02:44:02,77 --> 02:44:08,65
a development process. Tonight I would like
to speak about parks located within the

1913
02:44:08,66 --> 02:44:14,55
city of Tacoma Park. I've lived in Tacoma
Park for just over three years and since

1914
02:44:14,57 --> 02:44:19,44
I've lived here. I never knew how many
parks are located in Tacoma Park and so I

1915
02:44:19,46 --> 02:44:22,08
recently looked into it based on

1916
02:44:22,10 --> 02:44:25,42
a map that I received from the
city I found out there are

1917
02:44:25,42 --> 02:44:30,19
a total of seventeen parks located in the
city if you count Hodges feel that come

1918
02:44:30,20 --> 02:44:31,88
a Park Elementary School in

1919
02:44:31,90 --> 02:44:38,73
a major infield at the middle school I also
want to know what the total acreage of

1920
02:44:38,74 --> 02:44:43,54
these seventeen parks is when I took through
the city it was referred to the Tacoma

1921
02:44:43,55 --> 02:44:50,18
Park master plan which is on line so
I looked it up it is noted that on

1922
02:44:50,19 --> 02:44:54,18
page seventy one of the master plan that
there are one hundred twenty two point

1923
02:44:54,19 --> 02:44:59,04
four acres of park land in Tacoma Park
and this number may have gone up since I

1924
02:44:59,05 --> 02:44:59,18
mean

1925
02:44:59,19 --> 02:45:03,86
a master plan was published. Some parks are
owned by the city other parks are owned

1926
02:45:03,87 --> 02:45:04,01
by

1927
02:45:04,02 --> 02:45:10,88
a monk Emery County. Why do I bring
this up now. I really had no

1928
02:45:10,89 --> 02:45:15,38
idea how much Parkland otherwise known as
public land was present in Tacoma Park

1929
02:45:16,24 --> 02:45:22,14
but there is one hundred twenty two point
four acres based on the master plan I'm

1930
02:45:22,15 --> 02:45:25,78
calling attention to this number because
several speakers have noted the perceived

1931
02:45:25,79 --> 02:45:27,67
lack of public land and to go to

1932
02:45:27,68 --> 02:45:33,43
a park for people to gather hangout and
even hold events and are therefore

1933
02:45:33,44 --> 02:45:35,14
demanding more public land for

1934
02:45:35,15 --> 02:45:40,94
a public space within the proposed development
even though existing public land or

1935
02:45:40,95 --> 02:45:46,29
parks are very underutilized most of the
time throughout the year. I also bring

1936
02:45:46,30 --> 02:45:50,07
this up because I feel the amount of
public space shown in the most recent site

1937
02:45:50,08 --> 02:45:55,29
plan is generally sufficient based on the
size of the zero and how I see that used

1938
02:45:55,30 --> 02:46:01,98
to since I lived here. I ask that you do
not forget about the majority of residents

1939
02:46:01,99 --> 02:46:07,58
that want revitalization of Tacoma junction
to happen. And lastly just thank you

1940
02:46:07,59 --> 02:46:12,31
for your continued time and dedication to
move the revitalization effort forward.

1941
02:46:26,74 --> 02:46:30,77
Carried in our work three I know I've been
in touch with many of you already and

1942
02:46:30,78 --> 02:46:33,85
thank you Casey and Kate
for some of your sponsors

1943
02:46:34,63 --> 02:46:38,31
a couple of concerns not just I want to
echo all the concerns already mentioned but

1944
02:46:38,32 --> 02:46:42,33
also bringing up my concerns about traffic
that was not addressed in the traffic

1945
02:46:42,34 --> 02:46:47,59
studies I find it quite agree just that the
cut through on lease sermon and Hancock

1946
02:46:47,60 --> 02:46:51,44
were not considered anyone who
knows the area knows that there is

1947
02:46:51,45 --> 02:46:57,71
a high volume of pedestrian and bicycle and
vehicle traffic cutting down from Carol

1948
02:46:57,72 --> 02:47:03,71
on to Maple. And many of our most
vulnerable residents live there in terms of

1949
02:47:03,72 --> 02:47:08,71
people with in wheelchairs and trips again
people kids walking by themselves to

1950
02:47:08,72 --> 02:47:14,26
school are on that road and there's been
no sustained attention to what that's

1951
02:47:14,27 --> 02:47:18,13
going to mean for the community along
Maple Avenue and those roads intersecting

1952
02:47:18,14 --> 02:47:19,33
with it and I found it to be

1953
02:47:19,34 --> 02:47:23,77
a significant omission and ultimately.
I know that you tried to gather some

1954
02:47:23,78 --> 02:47:26,49
information and I appreciate that but the
idea that that's going to be dealt with

1955
02:47:26,50 --> 02:47:31,17
down the road is not adequate it's simply
not adequate and we can do much better.

1956
02:47:32,23 --> 02:47:37,97
Also I'd like to suggest that many of us I
think who are here who are saying we can

1957
02:47:37,98 --> 02:47:40,21
live with thirty thousand
square feet that is

1958
02:47:40,22 --> 02:47:44,92
a compromise position many of us will do
like the idea of it becoming another park

1959
02:47:44,96 --> 02:47:47,77
other open space so there's already

1960
02:47:47,78 --> 02:47:51,43
a compromise position out there I
think and that compromise position is

1961
02:47:51,56 --> 02:47:56,56
a much smaller scaled back development
that has accommodations for the co-op and

1962
02:47:56,57 --> 02:48:00,91
that is realistic about traffic again on
the avenue I have already seen big trucks

1963
02:48:00,92 --> 02:48:03,05
forty foot trucks making
deliveries from D.C.

1964
02:48:03,06 --> 02:48:07,86
So kitchen turning down the avenue and
that's now so if the revitalization happens

1965
02:48:07,87 --> 02:48:11,53
across the street and if that happens that
on Tacoma junction that's going to be

1966
02:48:11,54 --> 02:48:16,30
more and more traffic and I don't hear
the type of forward thinking that is

1967
02:48:16,31 --> 02:48:18,10
necessary to really make this

1968
02:48:18,14 --> 02:48:22,05
a positive and I think right now everything
is on the table is going to really harm

1969
02:48:22,28 --> 02:48:26,50
various communities it might allow some
privileged residents to have more places to

1970
02:48:26,51 --> 02:48:31,01
eat out but I don't see the benefit to the
whole community and that's continuing to

1971
02:48:31,02 --> 02:48:36,06
neglect it and I think all of you no matter
what word you on are in or represent

1972
02:48:36,34 --> 02:48:39,29
can do better by the whole
community thank you.

1973
02:48:52,09 --> 02:48:55,43
My name is Deborah Kay and I flipped into
come up since one thousand nine hundred

1974
02:48:55,44 --> 02:49:00,79
four and I first like to respond to the
speaker who was complaining about our

1975
02:49:00,80 --> 02:49:06,85
underutilized parks they're not underutilized
there are many of them are our green

1976
02:49:06,86 --> 02:49:11,26
areas that are used by wildlife and
accept us so that needs to be told.

1977
02:49:14,100 --> 02:49:18,38
That the second thing is I don't have
any studies or anything to back up my

1978
02:49:18,39 --> 02:49:23,01
position I'm definitely against this
development all I have to back up my position

1979
02:49:23,05 --> 02:49:29,00
is what I see and experience and there's
an awful lot of traffic there goes and it

1980
02:49:29,01 --> 02:49:35,69
just I cannot see in my mind how it can
work with this plan that you've developed I

1981
02:49:35,70 --> 02:49:41,18
just cannot see it and I can't see
how you can see it I mean it's just.

1982
02:49:44,50 --> 02:49:48,98
Ask yourself are you doing something damaging
to our city and believe that if this

1983
02:49:48,99 --> 02:49:52,84
thing goes through it will be damaging the
is going to be terrible traffic how are

1984
02:49:52,85 --> 02:49:57,25
you going to deal to try temple to widen
for ten knock down some houses this will

1985
02:49:57,26 --> 02:50:01,27
happen if you build this this will
happen that's all I have to say.

1986
02:50:11,05 --> 02:50:16,21
Good evening my name is Jessica landmen
and I live in Ward one I'm here tonight

1987
02:50:16,22 --> 02:50:19,48
because I wanted to flag that
I'm still awaiting an answer to

1988
02:50:19,49 --> 02:50:24,60
a question that I posed to the council
in a public meeting in May and in

1989
02:50:24,61 --> 02:50:30,54
a follow up letter which I consider very
important how can this project move

1990
02:50:30,55 --> 02:50:32,99
forward with construction on

1991
02:50:33,00 --> 02:50:39,11
a site that consists of two lots owned
by two separate parties my read of the

1992
02:50:39,12 --> 02:50:43,07
county rules is that a construction
permit would not be issued for

1993
02:50:43,08 --> 02:50:48,39
a project that is more than
one legal lot. This design of

1994
02:50:48,40 --> 02:50:51,42
a project on two lots even if you can get

1995
02:50:51,43 --> 02:50:55,45
a construction permit for it
places the city at risk it is

1996
02:50:55,46 --> 02:51:00,84
a risky proposition which will mean that
even if financing can be found that

1997
02:51:00,85 --> 02:51:01,70
financing will be at

1998
02:51:01,71 --> 02:51:06,31
a higher rate and will make the project
costly or in rents more costly This is

1999
02:51:06,32 --> 02:51:11,02
a fundamental and important legal issue
which should certainly be addressed and

2000
02:51:11,03 --> 02:51:15,08
resolved before you vote on whether you
want to proceed with this project may or

2001
02:51:15,09 --> 02:51:18,64
Stuart you wrote to me and said This question
was being submitted to the lawyers I

2002
02:51:18,65 --> 02:51:23,21
would appreciate if you could address it
because I think it's very important let me

2003
02:51:23,22 --> 02:51:28,21
just add one other not so light hearted
but light hearted note there's

2004
02:51:28,22 --> 02:51:32,79
a story that many of you may know of the
bus last week that got stuck straddling

2005
02:51:32,80 --> 02:51:37,90
the stormwater drain on top the bottom
of the hill on Columbia behind the co-op

2006
02:51:37,94 --> 02:51:43,02
a Megabus that appeared there mysteriously
straddling the stormwater drain the

2007
02:51:43,03 --> 02:51:48,36
photos of that are quite amazing Why was
that bust mysteriously there the answer to

2008
02:51:48,37 --> 02:51:53,47
that question according to the bus driver
is that ways center there because that

2009
02:51:53,51 --> 02:51:59,84
could congestion at the junction if we
don't get the traffic study right this may

2010
02:51:59,85 --> 02:52:01,02
be the first of

2011
02:52:01,03 --> 02:52:07,78
a wave of ways instructions to the way
we're drivers so I encourage you. To be

2012
02:52:07,79 --> 02:52:10,70
very very careful about how
we proceed here thank you.

2013
02:52:21,93 --> 02:52:26,08
Hi my name stepper Zuckerman I live on
Poplar Avenue I wasn't going to speak but I

2014
02:52:26,14 --> 02:52:32,08
actually was got up to talk about the bus
since it was at the top of my street. I

2015
02:52:32,09 --> 02:52:35,78
really do think that the
traffic congestion is

2016
02:52:35,82 --> 02:52:40,83
a huge problem and I sort of chuckled last
week when I don't remember his name but

2017
02:52:41,04 --> 02:52:45,33
I think he was the person who gave the
traffic report from the company that the

2018
02:52:45,34 --> 02:52:51,10
city hired that they were they were surprised
at how many people already go out of

2019
02:52:51,11 --> 02:52:56,87
their way to avoid that Junction unless
side leave my house and go on auto pilot

2020
02:52:57,14 --> 02:53:02,96
and get stuck out on Sycamore and for ten
I will do to go way out of my way to

2021
02:53:02,97 --> 02:53:09,36
avoid that that intersection. And I think
they they really couldn't get an accurate

2022
02:53:09,37 --> 02:53:15,03
count of how many people use the junction
intersection currently because there's

2023
02:53:15,04 --> 02:53:21,09
really no way to know how many people go
out of their way to avoid it and since

2024
02:53:21,10 --> 02:53:24,06
Popper goes down to New
Hampshire it already is

2025
02:53:24,60 --> 02:53:31,44
a big cut through and as the
previous speaker mentioned the

2026
02:53:31,45 --> 02:53:36,36
bus you know I mean it's kind of ridiculous
that it came down Columbia and turned

2027
02:53:36,37 --> 02:53:42,71
on to Poplar and got stuck I think that's
the beginning of the end and the trucks

2028
02:53:42,72 --> 02:53:47,08
are coming down there because they have
to circle to get back to the Co-op it's

2029
02:53:47,09 --> 02:53:53,36
just going to be more of it to
Sastre than it already is thanks.

2030
02:54:00,63 --> 02:54:06,80
Good evening Cynthia Marmie al. Cities
are shaping the story of America.

2031
02:54:07,70 --> 02:54:14,27
The future of our urban places will be
defined by how we work together to lift

2032
02:54:14,80 --> 02:54:21,57
members of our communities and the future
in the future great places don't rise

2033
02:54:21,58 --> 02:54:21,82
from

2034
02:54:21,83 --> 02:54:28,82
a blank slate they use unique assets to
build up what's special about the community

2035
02:54:29,43 --> 02:54:36,05
rather than seeking to really create success
from elsewhere as can cities continue

2036
02:54:36,06 --> 02:54:42,07
to grow equity and inclusion
will ever more be pressing.

2037
02:54:43,61 --> 02:54:49,38
In March twenty eighth mayor Cates steward
was appointed to serve on the National

2038
02:54:49,39 --> 02:54:55,02
League of Cities race in equity and Leadership
Council the statement I just read is

2039
02:54:55,03 --> 02:54:55,30
from

2040
02:54:55,31 --> 02:55:02,09
a report by the National League of
Cities. Mayor steward commented upon her

2041
02:55:02,10 --> 02:55:04,38
appointment I'm honored to be part of

2042
02:55:04,39 --> 02:55:11,04
a group charged with building stronger
and more just communities that N.L.C.

2043
02:55:11,43 --> 02:55:16,12
Race in equity and leadership councils
work to address inequities in bridge

2044
02:55:16,13 --> 02:55:22,05
community divide is an inspiring is
as inspiring as it is essential.

2045
02:55:25,64 --> 02:55:30,14
Last Friday I was in this very
auditorium to watch a play

2046
02:55:30,49 --> 02:55:35,74
a play that was funded in part by the city
of Tacoma Park prior to the start of the

2047
02:55:35,75 --> 02:55:36,53
performance

2048
02:55:36,58 --> 02:55:42,30
a questionnaire developed by the city was
distributed to audience participants the

2049
02:55:42,31 --> 02:55:47,83
questionnaire asked demographic information
the purpose was to make sure an

2050
02:55:47,87 --> 02:55:53,03
audience reach the intended audience was
reached with questions were asked about

2051
02:55:53,04 --> 02:55:59,87
gendered residency in Tacoma Park Age
type of household one lived in rented

2052
02:55:59,88 --> 02:56:06,12
home owner language spoken in the
household. Income level many

2053
02:56:06,13 --> 02:56:12,81
details. The grant for this play
from the city of Tacoma Park did

2054
02:56:12,82 --> 02:56:17,12
not exceed ten thousand
dollars most likely it was

2055
02:56:17,13 --> 02:56:21,38
a much lower figure.
Tonight produce cutscene

2056
02:56:21,39 --> 02:56:28,36
a development project that does exceed ten
thousand dollars of city invested money

2057
02:56:29,10 --> 02:56:33,84
the last time I looked at the website
this was closer to one hundred thousand

2058
02:56:33,85 --> 02:56:39,31
dollars the period of performances for
ninety nine years obviously the city of

2059
02:56:39,32 --> 02:56:45,15
Tacoma Park has the intent and ability
for accountability and demographics and

2060
02:56:45,16 --> 02:56:51,12
intended audience how have what
is the evidence that demographics

2061
02:56:52,10 --> 02:56:58,72
have been used to get all people all
residents of all incomes and backgrounds

2062
02:56:58,92 --> 02:57:04,18
to weigh in on this design and to
ensure that all people will be able to

2063
02:57:04,19 --> 02:57:07,82
participate in this
proposed design Thank you.

2064
02:57:16,00 --> 02:57:20,44
I truly was not going
to speak. Tabor's seven

2065
02:57:20,45 --> 02:57:26,75
o six Yuri I feel turn to stand and this
is way way way past my bedtime but I'm

2066
02:57:26,76 --> 02:57:32,54
intrigued by this I don't understand why
you want to move forward with development

2067
02:57:32,58 --> 02:57:39,51
I don't grasp it I know
character representing many

2068
02:57:39,52 --> 02:57:45,60
of us in our community is opposed to it I
know Peter is open to seeing changes and

2069
02:57:45,61 --> 02:57:51,92
who the mayor means well and is trying
to come up with something that would.

2070
02:57:53,02 --> 02:57:57,76
Would work but I don't understand the rest
of you I don't understand how you could

2071
02:57:57,77 --> 02:58:04,31
sit here. Day after day after day for the
last four or five years however long even

2072
02:58:04,61 --> 02:58:10,49
I don't understand how you don't
grasp that this is so divisive

2073
02:58:11,41 --> 02:58:17,39
so upsetting it splits the community and
us and so thing to me by the way to see

2074
02:58:17,40 --> 02:58:22,09
you I wonder if your faces are blank I
wonder if you could hear anything we ever

2075
02:58:22,10 --> 02:58:29,02
say because I don't comprehend why you would
want to move forward on this you could

2076
02:58:29,03 --> 02:58:35,89
see how opposed to the community is.
Why would you err on the side of

2077
02:58:36,19 --> 02:58:41,35
the bell a buck a developer that doesn't
live here and people want to have

2078
02:58:41,36 --> 02:58:48,26
a cocktail who can't afford the time to
show up here the community is split I

2079
02:58:48,27 --> 02:58:53,38
would say it's more oppose than split
Why would you want to go forward.

2080
02:59:02,61 --> 02:59:09,43
Thank you. Linda Robin I
live in Ward to put into

2081
02:59:09,43 --> 02:59:16,25
coke park for almost thirty years. I would
like to draw attention to the racial

2082
02:59:16,27 --> 02:59:23,18
equity impact statement on the
second page of agenda item five.

2083
02:59:24,73 --> 02:59:31,14
It is one sentence long at this time we
are unable to determine whether any group

2084
02:59:31,31 --> 02:59:36,99
could be disproportionately impacted
positively or negatively by potential changes

2085
02:59:37,03 --> 02:59:41,72
in traffic patterns and or
infrastructure is this supposed to be

2086
02:59:41,79 --> 02:59:48,50
a racial equity impact statement.
It is completely unacceptable and

2087
02:59:48,51 --> 02:59:54,21
inadequate we need proper attention
paid to the real consequences of this

2088
02:59:54,22 --> 03:00:00,67
development. For example to
the merchants who have shops

2089
03:00:01,08 --> 03:00:07,39
on the Carroll Avenue side half of those
merchants are minority people how will

2090
03:00:07,40 --> 03:00:10,61
they be affected by
construction and later by

2091
03:00:10,62 --> 03:00:17,17
a competition from people who tenants
who can afford to pay vastly higher

2092
03:00:17,18 --> 03:00:23,45
rents than they could ever possibly
afford. So I think this has to be

2093
03:00:23,53 --> 03:00:30,49
addressed before you can go ahead with
anything I'd also like to point out. Tonight

2094
03:00:30,70 --> 03:00:35,45
I have been keeping count of how many
people have spoke in opposition to this

2095
03:00:35,46 --> 03:00:41,50
project at least fifteen I should
think of those fifteen. To

2096
03:00:42,23 --> 03:00:48,39
express support and yet when I've spoken
to city council members they have said to

2097
03:00:48,40 --> 03:00:54,78
me Well about half the people I've talked
to support the project where are they I

2098
03:00:54,79 --> 03:00:58,15
think there is ample evidence from the
meetings that I've attended in the

2099
03:00:58,16 --> 03:01:02,50
discussions that I've had that the vast
majority of people who have bothered to

2100
03:01:02,51 --> 03:01:07,47
inform themselves about this project
oppose it not only do they oppose it they

2101
03:01:07,48 --> 03:01:13,57
oppose it passionately so please pay
attention to the vast majority of your

2102
03:01:13,58 --> 03:01:15,52
constituents and vote no

2103
03:01:16,26 --> 03:01:24,23
thanks

2104
03:01:24,23 --> 03:01:29,72
. And any other public
comments this evening. Or.

2105
03:01:38,49 --> 03:01:43,35
This is now i'm sorry this is this is we
done public comments we can and I can

2106
03:01:43,36 --> 03:01:48,29
answer your question afterwards thank you
and any other public comments on other

2107
03:01:48,30 --> 03:01:55,15
topics or anything else. Sorry
seen now and we'll move on

2108
03:01:55,49 --> 03:02:02,42
to our next agenda item. That is
council comments any. Council comments

2109
03:02:02,43 --> 03:02:09,24
is evening council member Siemens Thank
you. I had several things I wanted to

2110
03:02:09,25 --> 03:02:15,37
mention tonight one was I wanted to
congratulate captains corn and Callington who

2111
03:02:15,38 --> 03:02:20,69
graduated from elite law enforcement
executive training. You've been in for the

2112
03:02:20,70 --> 03:02:27,49
last month or so and I also. I'm
sure the city manager will be

2113
03:02:27,99 --> 03:02:34,33
congratulating the two officers who were
just promoted today. And I'm sorry that I

2114
03:02:34,34 --> 03:02:41,06
was unable to make that ceremony Anyways
I speak you know the police I wanted to

2115
03:02:41,07 --> 03:02:47,02
express my frustration having gone to the
Maryland in this bullying. Convention

2116
03:02:47,40 --> 03:02:54,17
a couple weeks ago that Hyattsville
was there are. Touting their new

2117
03:02:54,21 --> 03:03:00,76
electric police cars now for
several years whenever we went to

2118
03:03:00,77 --> 03:03:07,18
purchase. Whenever we went to purchase new
police cars I have asked if there were

2119
03:03:07,42 --> 03:03:14,36
you know was it some of those vehicles that
we could have. Downsized and and maybe

2120
03:03:14,37 --> 03:03:18,49
have some electric cars as the mayor just
pointed out to me they only have one

2121
03:03:18,50 --> 03:03:21,98
police car right now I did ask the mayor
Hyattsville about this because she is

2122
03:03:21,99 --> 03:03:22,63
bringing about

2123
03:03:22,64 --> 03:03:27,31
a lot and it's one current mainly does it
for parking enforcement work right it is

2124
03:03:27,32 --> 03:03:27,56
not

2125
03:03:27,57 --> 03:03:34,33
a high speed pursuit vehicle or one for
transporting. Prisoners but I will say that

2126
03:03:34,34 --> 03:03:39,75
we do. Police work to could use these
cars they also had only have an electric

2127
03:03:39,76 --> 03:03:46,65
motor cycle and. I believe it was the
park at least. I believe it was the

2128
03:03:46,66 --> 03:03:53,32
Park Police who looked at the. Hyattsville
car and. Are talking with the

2129
03:03:53,33 --> 03:04:00,24
manufacturer to purchase fourteen of
them so. Again I'm. I'm frustrated

2130
03:04:00,25 --> 03:04:04,04
there were three we're the first in the
country to get one and we should be the

2131
03:04:04,05 --> 03:04:10,05
first forward progress and things like
that I just wanted to thank the city staff

2132
03:04:10,09 --> 03:04:16,80
that. We've made some progress I
mentioned oh probably two months ago

2133
03:04:17,16 --> 03:04:23,96
about the woman who lives in Tacoma
Park who had cancer and was. Visited

2134
03:04:23,97 --> 03:04:29,14
by our neighborhood services and and in
a very unneighborly way told it she had

2135
03:04:29,15 --> 03:04:34,13
a lot of Maine has had to be done to our
property but I appreciate the staff has

2136
03:04:34,14 --> 03:04:38,94
been working with her to get to help her
find the resources to get that done.

2137
03:04:39,99 --> 03:04:45,03
Because she is experiencing some pain
financial discipline difficulties right now

2138
03:04:45,36 --> 03:04:51,25
but she remains very concerned about it and
I'm hopeful it be nice if we could send

2139
03:04:51,26 --> 03:04:51,36
her

2140
03:04:51,37 --> 03:04:56,44
a letter and just let her know that yes
we will continue to work with her because

2141
03:04:56,84 --> 03:05:00,35
every time that she gets an extension
and then it gets near the end of the

2142
03:05:00,36 --> 03:05:06,24
extension she gets another letter that
threatens that you know she could get all

2143
03:05:06,25 --> 03:05:11,39
kinds of bad things done if she didn't get
this taken care of so. If we could just

2144
03:05:11,40 --> 03:05:16,25
let her know that things are moving we like
the way that she's progressing and and

2145
03:05:16,26 --> 03:05:22,04
she certainly appreciates what the city
staff has done and then lastly I wanted to

2146
03:05:22,04 --> 03:05:28,46
. Just compliment the people who are going
to rise the Richie Avenue picnic this

2147
03:05:28,47 --> 03:05:33,40
year this is an annual event it's
kind of like a it's more like

2148
03:05:33,41 --> 03:05:39,28
a family reunion than it
is a block party. It's

2149
03:05:39,86 --> 03:05:45,27
a lot of people from through the many years
that have lived on Richie Avenue and

2150
03:05:45,28 --> 03:05:52,21
Maple Avenue. And they all come together
come in from out of town to. Socialize

2151
03:05:52,22 --> 03:05:58,46
have some have some food and and
reminisce about the old days and I.

2152
03:06:01,52 --> 03:06:07,61
Recognition to several of the
residents or past residents

2153
03:06:08,61 --> 03:06:13,20
including Lee Jordan who I'm
sure many of you know of her.

2154
03:06:15,39 --> 03:06:22,24
Loan my father thank you.
And other public comments

2155
03:06:22,25 --> 03:06:28,89
this evening. Councilman
So you see what I said. OK

2156
03:06:29,19 --> 03:06:35,20
I'm sorry. Seriously Good evening
everyone so I just want to do I put

2157
03:06:35,21 --> 03:06:40,07
a plug again for the
crossroads farmer's market on

2158
03:06:40,08 --> 03:06:46,85
a street there are some new
vendors amazing popcorn today so

2159
03:06:46,89 --> 03:06:53,13
definitely come out especially next
Wednesday which will be the fourth of

2160
03:06:53,14 --> 03:06:54,56
July there will be

2161
03:06:54,57 --> 03:06:59,33
a point eating contest there's different
types of hot dogs including begin to hot

2162
03:06:59,34 --> 03:07:05,44
dogs there it'll be lots of fun so
please please please come out. Also for

2163
03:07:05,45 --> 03:07:11,60
residents in New Hampshire I'm sorry
Hampshire towers apartments we have been in

2164
03:07:11,82 --> 03:07:17,37
communication with parks and
planning and so we have been.

2165
03:07:20,09 --> 03:07:26,90
And so we have been able to. Extend again
the overnight parking agreements at the

2166
03:07:26,91 --> 03:07:33,58
rec center so I'm sorry till August fifth
and till August fifteenth correct So

2167
03:07:33,62 --> 03:07:40,12
again we're continuing. Grateful to
property management as well as city

2168
03:07:40,13 --> 03:07:46,83
staff as well as the county staff for
continuing to work collectively on keeping

2169
03:07:46,84 --> 03:07:51,25
the agreement going until something more
permanent can be put in place Thank you.

2170
03:07:53,22 --> 03:08:00,02
Council member. Thank you there and thanks
to all the people who spoke to. I agree

2171
03:08:00,03 --> 03:08:06,93
there are some important. Significant
legal. Aspects of the junction

2172
03:08:07,68 --> 03:08:12,71
project and process that we need to get
get clarifications on I look forward to

2173
03:08:12,72 --> 03:08:15,21
having it happen as soon as we're
able to and we may talk about that

2174
03:08:15,22 --> 03:08:17,53
a bit in the coming session later tonight

2175
03:08:18,44 --> 03:08:24,41
a few other points unrelated to that I
mentioned his previous about tomorrow night

2176
03:08:24,42 --> 03:08:30,04
which is the twenty eighth the kickoff
of the Montgomery College math science

2177
03:08:30,65 --> 03:08:36,22
design process is taking place it's at their
cultural arts center in Georgia Avenue

2178
03:08:36,43 --> 03:08:39,09
from seven to nine thirty pm And
so this is the initiation of

2179
03:08:39,10 --> 03:08:45,44
a longer term Charette process that will
be lasting on into September October but

2180
03:08:45,45 --> 03:08:49,52
this will be the kickoff and I think an
important opportunity for those interested

2181
03:08:49,53 --> 03:08:55,80
in that project to learn about and to
participate in it. There was also reference

2182
03:08:55,81 --> 03:09:02,76
made by council members to the
Crossroads farmers market

2183
03:09:02,77 --> 03:09:06,76
and they've been these different ward days
so the word one day there's going to be

2184
03:09:06,77 --> 03:09:10,70
Wednesday July eleventh probably starting
around noon to have more information out

2185
03:09:10,71 --> 03:09:17,52
on that later but I think it's really
important. Opportunity for people from one

2186
03:09:17,53 --> 03:09:23,54
part of town to go shopping patronize
another one of the farmer's market related

2187
03:09:23,55 --> 03:09:27,51
thing and I don't expect this to be answered
right now but maybe we can just look

2188
03:09:27,52 --> 03:09:33,40
into it I was asked about
the. Rules governing

2189
03:09:34,17 --> 03:09:40,15
political act to Vittie at the other
farmers' market the one in Old Town and

2190
03:09:40,16 --> 03:09:43,00
questions had arisen I think
of late because there are

2191
03:09:43,01 --> 03:09:49,34
a lot of candidates just prior to the recent
yesterday's primary election there on

2192
03:09:49,35 --> 03:09:56,11
Sunday and. I don't know whether
the contract that exists for

2193
03:09:56,15 --> 03:10:02,36
the market covers that or not I would
certainly want to err on the side of people

2194
03:10:02,37 --> 03:10:06,33
being allowed to engage in whatever
political activity they wanted there but I

2195
03:10:06,34 --> 03:10:10,70
would like to understand what the rules
are maybe can get get back to. Slater on

2196
03:10:10,71 --> 03:10:15,75
that and then lastly. The parade is
coming up I think everybody knows

2197
03:10:15,76 --> 03:10:21,25
a lot of it's on Carolyn maple which is in
Ward one would have people all over the

2198
03:10:21,26 --> 03:10:25,57
city and look forward to it I think it's
going to be you know the typical hot day

2199
03:10:25,58 --> 03:10:32,13
but I think it should be great thank
you. Thank you Councilman to. Thank you.

2200
03:10:34,42 --> 03:10:38,85
Thanks to everybody who came out there
some questions I'd like to follow up with

2201
03:10:38,86 --> 03:10:45,37
people on but I won't get into
that rate and. Crossroads It was

2202
03:10:45,38 --> 03:10:51,21
a great day at the cross or it's the
cucumber drinks are wonderful so today was

2203
03:10:51,22 --> 03:10:57,15
word today please don't think we were
left out and it was it was just I urge

2204
03:10:57,16 --> 03:11:01,72
everybody to get out there said different
set of things for sale than at the.

2205
03:11:04,47 --> 03:11:06,79
Rate at the Sunday market and it's

2206
03:11:06,80 --> 03:11:11,18
a different feeling completely in terms of
the kinds of people who show up and the

2207
03:11:11,19 --> 03:11:16,34
kinds of activities that go on there so you
might want to check it out I do want to

2208
03:11:16,35 --> 03:11:22,92
bring up two things One is I didn't
another birth people. Boyd and.

2209
03:11:23,96 --> 03:11:28,26
Particular boy have
contacted the council about

2210
03:11:28,73 --> 03:11:34,25
a community garden proposal that I've put
forward and what I'd appreciate from the

2211
03:11:34,26 --> 03:11:38,74
rest of the council is to get back from
you whether you'd like to consider it so

2212
03:11:38,75 --> 03:11:43,87
that we can ask the mayor to get in on the
agenda in September so for those of you

2213
03:11:43,88 --> 03:11:49,90
who aren't familiar with the cut the idea
it's to use. Small amounts of public

2214
03:11:49,91 --> 03:11:55,06
right of way for community gardens that
neighbors might want to have so just F.Y.R.

2215
03:11:55,50 --> 03:12:01,22
And the second thing I want to ask is whether
this city manager is going to discuss

2216
03:12:01,23 --> 03:12:05,94
Lincoln Avenue sidewalks which is my
other pet topic this week that I've had

2217
03:12:05,95 --> 03:12:11,51
a lot of. Contact from residents
on. And why and why we're not

2218
03:12:11,85 --> 03:12:15,61
a contract tonight. OK Thank
you that's it for me.

2219
03:12:19,40 --> 03:12:25,39
I'm. Thank you I was a city manager
if we can get an update on man

2220
03:12:25,40 --> 03:12:31,39
a restaurant flower party
branch Oh yes yes.

2221
03:12:32,62 --> 03:12:35,40
So I don't know if you know
homeless people to get

2222
03:12:35,41 --> 03:12:41,07
a presence in the building but to walk
up the steps at one time there was

2223
03:12:41,11 --> 03:12:47,90
a homeless person around. Terry but the
really good if we can find out what

2224
03:12:47,97 --> 03:12:54,52
the owners plan on doing with it I do know
the owner of. The longer Mint building

2225
03:12:54,72 --> 03:13:01,09
would love to purchase the property if it
became available so there is interest in

2226
03:13:01,10 --> 03:13:07,82
it. So thank you very much and
appreciated. Counsel accosting thank you

2227
03:13:08,25 --> 03:13:08,49
just

2228
03:13:08,50 --> 03:13:13,38
a couple of quick things. Three is not being
left out of the Crossroads market and

2229
03:13:13,39 --> 03:13:14,62
we are having our word day

2230
03:13:14,63 --> 03:13:20,48
a little later it's August twenty second
so mark your calendars for that. But also

2231
03:13:20,49 --> 03:13:25,84
working with the residents to organize
what will be an environmental walk in Ward

2232
03:13:25,85 --> 03:13:30,38
three and we're looking to coordinate with
Ward two as well. Probably sometime in

2233
03:13:30,39 --> 03:13:34,48
the fall so we're looking at probably
September but that would give people an

2234
03:13:34,49 --> 03:13:39,63
opportunity to walk around and identify
some of the environmental. Projects that

2235
03:13:39,64 --> 03:13:44,10
have happened in the city as well as
environmental needs in the city so keep an eye

2236
03:13:44,11 --> 03:13:49,13
out for that I hope people will be interested
in participating I also want to build

2237
03:13:49,14 --> 03:13:55,53
on council member seaman's comments
regarding the citation process I had

2238
03:13:55,54 --> 03:14:01,10
a talk with some representatives from the
village of Tacoma Park not too long ago

2239
03:14:01,11 --> 03:14:06,56
and we discussed looking for ways to provide
people with information about services

2240
03:14:06,57 --> 03:14:11,06
when we're getting citations so as
much as possible if somebody's getting

2241
03:14:11,07 --> 03:14:17,37
a snow citation citation excuse me someone's
going to snow so. They can also learn

2242
03:14:17,38 --> 03:14:20,99
about product programs like the snow angels
that provide them with opportunities to

2243
03:14:21,00 --> 03:14:26,28
get help so if we could look into that
that would be helpful and then finally I

2244
03:14:26,29 --> 03:14:30,47
just want to thank everyone who came out
to share your thoughts and views tonight.

2245
03:14:31,62 --> 03:14:35,62
I'm happy to follow up with people
individually on questions and I you know I'm

2246
03:14:35,63 --> 03:14:38,31
a little behind on
emails I've been out for

2247
03:14:38,32 --> 03:14:41,81
a family event for most of the past week
so I'm still trying to catch up but I

2248
03:14:41,82 --> 03:14:47,26
haven't gotten back to. Please feel free
to show me another message I do also want

2249
03:14:47,27 --> 03:14:53,42
to address the question that was posed
tonight regarding campaign contributions I

2250
03:14:53,43 --> 03:14:57,80
would be happier if these things would be
brought to me directly so that I could

2251
03:14:58,34 --> 03:15:02,72
avoid the implications that I think are
involved in the suggestion but the two

2252
03:15:02,73 --> 03:15:06,65
people who are mentioned as donation
donators to my campaign are relatives of my

2253
03:15:06,66 --> 03:15:11,73
husband my husband's cousin and my mother
in law neither of them to my knowledge

2254
03:15:11,74 --> 03:15:14,67
are real estate and investors
my mother in law is

2255
03:15:14,68 --> 03:15:20,44
a public educated public education
consultant and my cut my husband's cousin is

2256
03:15:20,45 --> 03:15:24,77
a an art agent in New York so there is
nothing untoward going on there there are

2257
03:15:24,78 --> 03:15:29,86
family members and friends thank
you. Thank you very much.

2258
03:15:32,94 --> 03:15:37,42
First I appreciate everyone coming out
tonight I know there have been questions in

2259
03:15:37,43 --> 03:15:42,52
the past do we listen I've taken copious
notes notes tonight and I think there are

2260
03:15:42,53 --> 03:15:45,34
a couple of things that have been
raised that I definitely more than

2261
03:15:45,35 --> 03:15:51,31
a couple want to come back
to and look at. In addition.

2262
03:15:53,17 --> 03:15:59,61
I was at the Ritchie Avenue. Reunion
which was great to meet Lee Jordan's

2263
03:15:59,91 --> 03:16:04,60
daughter and I actually got to spend the
next day with her as well because Joyce

2264
03:16:04,61 --> 03:16:08,14
Siemens put together her annual women's T.

2265
03:16:08,90 --> 03:16:14,10
With the help of Adventists COMMUNITY
SERVICES This was it every year Joyce does

2266
03:16:14,11 --> 03:16:15,84
something more and more for

2267
03:16:16,39 --> 03:16:20,22
a number of the women who live in
our community and this is just

2268
03:16:20,23 --> 03:16:25,86
a wonderful event to get together to
dress up we all wore wonderful hats my

2269
03:16:25,87 --> 03:16:29,15
daughter kept asking me why my picture
was an I Facebook and I thought I kept

2270
03:16:29,16 --> 03:16:32,22
taking pictures of other
people's. But it was

2271
03:16:32,23 --> 03:16:38,46
a wonderful event I just want to thank
Joyce for that as well. And let's see what

2272
03:16:38,47 --> 03:16:43,17
else is kind of yes as Cynthia pointed out
I did spend the last couple of days I am

2273
03:16:43,17 --> 03:16:49,09
. The vice chair of the nationally the
city's. Racial equity and Leadership Council

2274
03:16:49,66 --> 03:16:54,17
I was in Little Rock Arkansas the last
couple of days and it was a was actually

2275
03:16:54,18 --> 03:16:59,83
a great experience to go there to. Be
able to see how they're doing some of the

2276
03:16:59,84 --> 03:17:05,90
things in Little Rock and also to work
with the former mayor of Minneapolis

2277
03:17:06,66 --> 03:17:13,06
as well as mayors around the country who
are struggling with and working on racial

2278
03:17:13,07 --> 03:17:16,70
equity issues in addition one
of the reasons that we're

2279
03:17:16,71 --> 03:17:20,61
a little late in getting back to answering
the questions regarding racial equity is

2280
03:17:20,62 --> 03:17:27,32
because they raised some very good points
and the staff and I'll see you know with

2281
03:17:27,33 --> 03:17:31,08
helping me think through some of the things
that we've been discussing on council

2282
03:17:31,09 --> 03:17:35,81
so instead of rushing something wanted to
bring back those learnings and have it be

2283
03:17:35,82 --> 03:17:38,27
reflected in the document but it's been

2284
03:17:38,28 --> 03:17:44,65
a great past two days. Being with people
to discuss these issues and to see that

2285
03:17:44,69 --> 03:17:51,40
other cities struggle. With many of the
same things that we're grappling with right

2286
03:17:51,41 --> 03:17:57,45
now and also where we may be one of
the first cities in this group to

2287
03:17:58,03 --> 03:18:01,70
actually ask some racial equity questions
on our community survey and so people are

2288
03:18:01,71 --> 03:18:08,21
really interested in that work
as well. And then finally

2289
03:18:08,50 --> 03:18:11,80
counseling caustic. Has left the room for

2290
03:18:11,81 --> 03:18:16,74
a moment but I was just going to yeah here's
the back I just want to. Say thank you

2291
03:18:16,75 --> 03:18:22,88
to cast councilman caustic and all my
colleagues up here. Each of you we don't all

2292
03:18:22,89 --> 03:18:28,66
agree on how we're going to move forward
on this we have different perspectives but

2293
03:18:28,67 --> 03:18:34,96
I think all of you have seen how we interact
with each other here as well out in

2294
03:18:34,97 --> 03:18:41,47
the public and quite frankly. I just
I am sorry tonight that from the

2295
03:18:41,48 --> 03:18:46,61
podium there was this accusation to my
colleague because I can tell you right now

2296
03:18:46,62 --> 03:18:47,80
if you look at my donations there are

2297
03:18:47,81 --> 03:18:54,33
a lot of people in New York Florida
because they're family and friends and

2298
03:18:54,92 --> 03:18:58,05
you know we don't raise a lot of
money for our campaigns here we do

2299
03:18:58,06 --> 03:19:04,10
a little bit. But I just I think we
all are really working very hard

2300
03:19:04,73 --> 03:19:11,35
and I think we're all open to criticism
about maybe our views the process. But I

2301
03:19:11,36 --> 03:19:16,41
think if someone has questions like that.
I don't know I would I think we're better

2302
03:19:16,42 --> 03:19:17,77
than that to handle them

2303
03:19:18,48 --> 03:19:23,89
a little bit better so I thank you for
responding. And with that I'm going to turn

2304
03:19:23,90 --> 03:19:30,64
it over to the city manager for comments
and ask about bus shelters. Ask

2305
03:19:30,65 --> 03:19:34,04
about BUSH Yeah last week I had your
request because somebody had brought

2306
03:19:34,75 --> 03:19:37,39
a question about bus shelters
and you know there's

2307
03:19:37,40 --> 03:19:39,64
a new policy regarding
That's right there is

2308
03:19:39,65 --> 03:19:42,83
a new policy and I am sorry
I don't have that in from

2309
03:19:42,84 --> 03:19:49,17
a lot of stuff going on. So we can we can
follow back up on that yeah there was

2310
03:19:49,50 --> 03:19:56,41
about the advertising on your shelters
Yeah OK so. Last That one I do

2311
03:19:56,42 --> 03:19:59,99
want to respond briefly about the issue
about electric cars we have several

2312
03:20:00,00 --> 03:20:05,27
electric cars in the police department and
so and we bought them several years ago

2313
03:20:05,28 --> 03:20:10,40
our N.S.T. Team uses them and our parking
enforcement for parking enforcement

2314
03:20:10,41 --> 03:20:15,52
a variety of things. They don't have to fly
she lied to computers all they need to

2315
03:20:15,53 --> 03:20:20,92
know they don't know because that wears out
the electricity really bass so there's

2316
03:20:20,93 --> 03:20:24,57
that but he just sent a message
that for some reason I think

2317
03:20:24,61 --> 03:20:31,58
a single soffit Tim and it's not good.
Feeling warm in here. I do want to

2318
03:20:31,59 --> 03:20:31,91
give

2319
03:20:32,46 --> 03:20:38,06
a congratulations to freely of the vehicles
so two things about the vehicle that

2320
03:20:38,07 --> 03:20:45,06
they had it was fitted for petroleum
retrofit right and that was of

2321
03:20:45,07 --> 03:20:51,35
interest to me and the other thing about
it is that the company that is making it

2322
03:20:51,36 --> 03:20:56,77
is looking to talk to police departments
because they want to issue an electric

2323
03:20:56,78 --> 03:21:02,25
vehicle that's specifically designed for
patrol and I say wise to work during close

2324
03:21:02,26 --> 03:21:06,22
we've been wanting to have with them in
touch with with our police chief great

2325
03:21:06,48 --> 03:21:11,83
we've been wanting to have electric
patrol vehicles for a long time we have

2326
03:21:11,87 --> 03:21:14,27
a vehicular kind of

2327
03:21:14,28 --> 03:21:20,53
a policy group that deals with vehicle
purchases and come apart and we look at what

2328
03:21:20,54 --> 03:21:25,77
are the requirements. For the different
usages of them as well as. Cost of

2329
03:21:25,78 --> 03:21:32,22
maintenance and those kinds of things and
so that's right so one of the things that

2330
03:21:32,23 --> 03:21:35,94
we examine every years you know what are
the appropriate purchases and is are there

2331
03:21:35,95 --> 03:21:42,86
ways that we can do as little gas base
is possible that you know US alternative

2332
03:21:42,87 --> 03:21:48,83
fuels so yes we'll make the connection I
appreciate everybody bringing that out. As

2333
03:21:48,84 --> 03:21:53,46
two. And before I get into my
little less today we did have

2334
03:21:53,47 --> 03:22:00,37
a nice. Promotional ceremony for
our officers Kara sin and God Lou

2335
03:22:00,38 --> 03:22:04,84
Skeeter and our corporals and it's nice
to see promotion within our police

2336
03:22:04,85 --> 03:22:09,07
department one thing that was nice is that
I hadn't been in half an hour since the

2337
03:22:09,08 --> 03:22:13,49
floors and walls were upgraded and it's
much nicer I don't think all the work is

2338
03:22:13,50 --> 03:22:15,46
done there yet but it's clearly

2339
03:22:15,47 --> 03:22:20,14
a much nicer facility and it and
will be great for people see in

2340
03:22:20,15 --> 03:22:26,40
a variety of ways. I wanted to I'm going
to skip over the Lincoln Avenue side walk

2341
03:22:26,41 --> 03:22:30,53
until counselor develop
the terms we've had

2342
03:22:30,54 --> 03:22:34,83
a couple questions or at least one question
about how people can view the city

2343
03:22:34,84 --> 03:22:41,62
council meetings on. Cable television.
Some people I think have thought that the

2344
03:22:41,84 --> 03:22:45,98
numbers had the channel so it switched
so I have information it's in my city

2345
03:22:45,99 --> 03:22:49,93
manager report about how you can
watch on cable through R.C.N.

2346
03:22:49,94 --> 03:22:56,42
Comcast horizon as well as three different
ways to watch it on line and so you know

2347
03:22:56,43 --> 03:23:01,16
sometimes if one way is not working you can
work you can check another way but I do

2348
03:23:01,17 --> 03:23:03,27
want to make sure that
people know that we have

2349
03:23:03,99 --> 03:23:09,07
a number of different options for watching
the council member council meeting

2350
03:23:09,08 --> 03:23:11,89
either in live or later whether it's

2351
03:23:11,90 --> 03:23:17,64
a rerun or it's online on demand.
Just to clean up for one second sure.

2352
03:23:18,77 --> 03:23:25,67
I've talked to our social media guy. Both
of us and one idea is near. And I'm doing

2353
03:23:25,68 --> 03:23:29,98
this now to cord cutting so all my T.V.

2354
03:23:30,04 --> 03:23:36,35
Is streamed now through different services
one thing that our city could consider

2355
03:23:36,39 --> 03:23:41,56
is like creating app for one of these are
all the streaming services because it's

2356
03:23:41,57 --> 03:23:45,68
agnostic it doesn't matter and
we could put you know City T.V.

2357
03:23:45,69 --> 03:23:52,65
On there so you know you can go to Amazon
or Android or i O S and you can watch

2358
03:23:52,66 --> 03:23:56,88
your program from your television you
don't have to worry about doing it from

2359
03:23:56,89 --> 03:24:00,23
Facebook where I think we're
actually going to be moving to

2360
03:24:00,24 --> 03:24:05,08
a new system in the near future as well be
bringing that to you so that maybe part

2361
03:24:05,09 --> 03:24:08,82
of that that transition I've attached

2362
03:24:09,49 --> 03:24:12,93
a copy the Fourth of July
parade folks brought in

2363
03:24:12,97 --> 03:24:18,17
a copy of the flyer from the original
Fourth of July parade from eight hundred

2364
03:24:18,18 --> 03:24:22,26
eighty nine there were little jokes about
that that was where the that's when the

2365
03:24:22,27 --> 03:24:28,05
to come in Junction discussion began to
burn me when I did. Or or how we've been

2366
03:24:28,06 --> 03:24:31,60
where the landfill started many
of it but it's a very it's

2367
03:24:31,61 --> 03:24:38,51
a very cute. Flyer talking
about. You know having famous or

2368
03:24:38,52 --> 03:24:45,15
Raiders of national reputation as
well as. Lawn Tennis and croquet and

2369
03:24:45,66 --> 03:24:47,10
people can bring their baskets and have

2370
03:24:47,11 --> 03:24:51,26
a good time and it's nice that we've had
that can tradition continue for some many

2371
03:24:51,27 --> 03:24:56,79
years. Next week we do have the Fourth of
July city offices and facilities will be

2372
03:24:56,80 --> 03:25:02,39
closed on Wednesday the fourth obviously
police emergency services are always open

2373
03:25:02,82 --> 03:25:06,33
and Wednesday's trash and recycling
collection will also take place on Thursday

2374
03:25:06,34 --> 03:25:10,25
along with the Thursday
collection. And this is just

2375
03:25:10,26 --> 03:25:16,61
a reminder that. Private individuals are
not to use fireworks just go to the public

2376
03:25:16,63 --> 03:25:22,51
things it's illegal in McHenry County
to even even the little. Little

2377
03:25:23,15 --> 03:25:28,16
sprinklers sparklers of a sprinkler
sparklers etc You sprinklers don't use

2378
03:25:28,17 --> 03:25:34,96
a Spartan. So can't do that. The core part

2379
03:25:34,97 --> 03:25:39,29
brick center gymnasium and finally the
floors are being redone and they were

2380
03:25:39,30 --> 03:25:41,21
supposed to been redone
last week and there was

2381
03:25:41,22 --> 03:25:47,73
a problem from the contractor and so. For
today through approximately Sunday those

2382
03:25:48,53 --> 03:25:52,55
facilities are not available and we've got

2383
03:25:52,56 --> 03:25:56,68
a list of our hiring up day as
always on my list we do have

2384
03:25:56,69 --> 03:25:58,49
a special request for C.B.L.

2385
03:25:58,50 --> 03:26:04,41
Drivers periodic leave we need
them on and on and call basis for

2386
03:26:04,42 --> 03:26:11,14
a number of our senior trips or teen
trips that require the larger bus and so

2387
03:26:11,54 --> 03:26:14,48
if people do know of
somebody who has the C.D.O.

2388
03:26:14,54 --> 03:26:18,07
Requirement for passengers. Please give us

2389
03:26:18,08 --> 03:26:22,07
a current please contact us so that we can
get you on our list as one of the people

2390
03:26:22,08 --> 03:26:28,63
that we might call. To do some of the
driving. Thanks for the questions

2391
03:26:28,64 --> 03:26:35,41
before that will respond to are there any
other questions. And just in general for

2392
03:26:35,42 --> 03:26:38,69
me OK that's it I'm thinking.

2393
03:26:42,82 --> 03:26:49,69
We move on to our. Oh yeah you're back
when can I mean the same as it is I

2394
03:26:49,70 --> 03:26:51,40
was ready to talk about Lincoln Avenue

2395
03:26:51,41 --> 03:26:57,26
a few moments ago and so the Lincoln
Avenue sidewalk construction.

2396
03:26:58,32 --> 03:27:04,71
Was originally scheduled to come to
tonight's Council meeting for one of the

2397
03:27:04,72 --> 03:27:11,03
contract that everybody's hopes up
and. That it will hear seriously

2398
03:27:11,68 --> 03:27:16,70
and so that that contract is still winning
approval from around one state highway

2399
03:27:16,71 --> 03:27:20,42
administration apparently I mean they're
they're providing eighty percent of the

2400
03:27:20,48 --> 03:27:26,24
funds for this fairly expensive
sidewalk project the.

2401
03:27:28,07 --> 03:27:29,78
The process project required

2402
03:27:29,83 --> 03:27:34,99
a new memorandum of agreement between us
ha in the city which is what's causing the

2403
03:27:35,00 --> 03:27:39,05
additional delay we've sent that in so
now we just have to wait for it to go

2404
03:27:39,06 --> 03:27:45,47
through whichever offices that goes
through and then when that comes out

2405
03:27:45,95 --> 03:27:51,46
we can bring back the contract for your
others ation and then we can move forward

2406
03:27:51,47 --> 03:27:55,23
so. I'm behalf of the residents
who've been waiting for

2407
03:27:55,24 --> 03:28:02,04
a while on this sidewalk. We
appreciate it if you could identify

2408
03:28:02,62 --> 03:28:07,54
for me and then I'll get it to people
someone it S H A that they can direct their

2409
03:28:07,55 --> 03:28:13,41
comments to my email OK I mean I
will say that I think. I have.

2410
03:28:14,52 --> 03:28:19,43
To hear from them that's fine I will say
that it is not particularly dragging its

2411
03:28:19,44 --> 03:28:24,91
feet on this it's just it's just that as
they got to the end they realized that you

2412
03:28:24,91 --> 03:28:27,38
needed to be re out and so that took

2413
03:28:27,43 --> 03:28:31,41
a little bit longer than the normal process
I'm happy to share that information but

2414
03:28:31,41 --> 03:28:33,88
I don't think there's actually dragging

2415
03:28:33,90 --> 03:28:40,52
a feet going on it's just slow. See.
Any other questions the city manager.

2416
03:28:42,89 --> 03:28:48,98
On our work session it's continued
discussion of the party term

2417
03:28:48,99 --> 03:28:53,93
a junction project and proposed
site plan adjustments. And C.

2418
03:28:53,94 --> 03:28:59,35
Maj Yeah I think I can start off because I
put some information in the in the cover

2419
03:28:59,36 --> 03:29:03,49
page that kind of summarizes some of the
previous discussion and questions but

2420
03:29:03,50 --> 03:29:09,09
there's there are many other
items that are out there. The.

2421
03:29:11,50 --> 03:29:17,52
Singing. Traffic study we did
have the presentation by.

2422
03:29:18,53 --> 03:29:25,39
The two traffic engineering firms one
that is the traffic group hired by N.B.C.

2423
03:29:25,52 --> 03:29:29,47
Which is required for the Macon County
development process and the other

2424
03:29:30,01 --> 03:29:35,40
a MORTON THOMAS same team for the city to
look at other elements as well as to kind

2425
03:29:35,41 --> 03:29:40,85
of double check the traffic groups numbers
and that kind of thing as well as look

2426
03:29:40,86 --> 03:29:45,89
at impacts on nearby intersections and
streets look at bike pedestrian and transit

2427
03:29:45,90 --> 03:29:52,53
routes essay and safety the reports are on
our website. Some of them are lying and

2428
03:29:52,54 --> 03:29:57,75
they have lots of counts and that kind of
thing. I think some of the main takeaways

2429
03:29:57,76 --> 03:30:03,05
from the two traffic studies are that with
the recent changes to the timing of the

2430
03:30:03,06 --> 03:30:07,89
traffic signals in the Junction area
intersections the traffic levels just barely

2431
03:30:07,90 --> 03:30:12,75
acceptable by county traffic standards
which is just under an eighty second delay

2432
03:30:13,09 --> 03:30:17,90
with projects that are approved or in the
review pipeline but not yet active would

2433
03:30:17,91 --> 03:30:23,86
add just enough to purse the level of
service into the failing category before

2434
03:30:23,87 --> 03:30:30,33
consideration of additional vehicles expected
from the city's project and. I sense

2435
03:30:30,34 --> 03:30:35,11
some additional information I'll just mention
it that the three background projects

2436
03:30:35,11 --> 03:30:41,94
. None of them actually look like they're
moving forward anytime soon one of which

2437
03:30:41,95 --> 03:30:46,70
was from two thousand and four
and does and that's the one for

2438
03:30:46,71 --> 03:30:51,82
a restaurant and that kind of thing.
In the strip on by John or C.

2439
03:30:51,83 --> 03:30:57,97
Oh well on Wall Avenue and so
that's. That is information that is

2440
03:30:58,38 --> 03:31:02,73
required to be counted in there but that
does not look like it's something that's

2441
03:31:02,74 --> 03:31:09,37
a real project. The two projects
that are to be added in that they're

2442
03:31:09,38 --> 03:31:16,20
expecting are the to come apart middle
school expansion and the Ascension the. Use

2443
03:31:16,21 --> 03:31:23,06
of the John Evan Sanders school so the
numbers were. Being provided as if those

2444
03:31:23,07 --> 03:31:26,99
would be something that would be approved
not gone through the approval process yet

2445
03:31:27,97 --> 03:31:28,35
but as

2446
03:31:28,36 --> 03:31:34,05
a way to kind of get worst case scenario
and in the worst case scenario they don't

2447
03:31:34,06 --> 03:31:38,51
ever say well we know the hospitals leaving
and we're going to take those numbers

2448
03:31:38,52 --> 03:31:43,49
out so part of this is to really find
worst case scenario as these numbers are

2449
03:31:43,50 --> 03:31:50,48
being run. In any event we're right on the
line before you do anything with any of

2450
03:31:50,49 --> 03:31:56,99
these numbers and so any change
in the junction. And the expected

2451
03:31:57,33 --> 03:32:04,00
but not approved projects the middle school
and central Mia put it over that eighty

2452
03:32:04,34 --> 03:32:10,98
second delay level. Reconfiguration
of the intersection.

2453
03:32:12,86 --> 03:32:13,52
In

2454
03:32:13,67 --> 03:32:19,33
a version that the both traffic studies
recommend would take that delay from eighty

2455
03:32:19,34 --> 03:32:24,97
seconds just over eighty seconds to about
thirty seconds which is much less than

2456
03:32:24,98 --> 03:32:31,30
currently exists and is clearly within
the eighty second level that the county

2457
03:32:32,12 --> 03:32:38,41
has as its limit. Having said that it is
not up to anybody but that intersection

2458
03:32:38,42 --> 03:32:45,30
change happens without going through
State Highway and so one of the

2459
03:32:45,31 --> 03:32:50,91
things and so one of the things that has
always been an issue with this project or

2460
03:32:50,92 --> 03:32:56,08
anything else in the junction is that what
is it does it take to have state highway

2461
03:32:56,87 --> 03:33:02,84
sit at the table help redesign the center
section so functions so the so it doesn't

2462
03:33:02,85 --> 03:33:09,35
have the kind of. Traffic backups
that people complain about that.

2463
03:33:10,44 --> 03:33:14,38
That it doesn't have some of the safety
issues that people complain about people

2464
03:33:14,39 --> 03:33:21,13
passing busses. Long waits for the pedestrian
crossings those kinds of things and

2465
03:33:21,14 --> 03:33:27,08
so generally and it's I don't like it but
generally the only way that you actually

2466
03:33:27,09 --> 03:33:31,48
get state highway at the table is to have
a project there that says oh there's

2467
03:33:31,49 --> 03:33:35,36
a time limit there's something that has
to be looked at somebody had to do those

2468
03:33:36,24 --> 03:33:43,10
get the runs on the different estimates.
The synchro runs about how many

2469
03:33:43,11 --> 03:33:50,01
cars can get through in what time. We're
at that point if the project is allowed

2470
03:33:50,02 --> 03:33:55,81
to get started in the development review
process then that actually physically goes

2471
03:33:55,82 --> 03:34:02,58
to stay highway and they have to look
at it. Can they look at it beforehand

2472
03:34:02,88 --> 03:34:09,49
maybe there is no requirement that they do
so and takes real arm twisting for them

2473
03:34:09,50 --> 03:34:15,39
to do that it's not in their study
plan that. Through the state.

2474
03:34:16,42 --> 03:34:22,61
State consolidated transportation plan the
so that's something that you know as we

2475
03:34:22,62 --> 03:34:27,45
talk about the timing about how we
look at the traffic studies there's

2476
03:34:27,46 --> 03:34:33,37
a variety of different. Kind of
things going on in the same timeframe

2477
03:34:34,00 --> 03:34:40,86
there's the Cities Project there
is. The city's overall concern

2478
03:34:40,87 --> 03:34:44,88
about the area and how traffic goes through
the area and the impact on cut through

2479
03:34:44,89 --> 03:34:51,64
traffic and how bikes and pedestrians and
chance it works in and through to come

2480
03:34:51,65 --> 03:34:58,39
apart and then there's. What we hope
which is real attention by state

2481
03:34:58,40 --> 03:35:02,77
highway to the center section one of the
things that we have been told by Greg

2482
03:35:02,78 --> 03:35:09,24
Slater who's the state highway
administrator is that. In his view

2483
03:35:10,24 --> 03:35:15,01
the intersection does not work right it's
not designed correctly and it shouldn't

2484
03:35:15,02 --> 03:35:15,72
be up to

2485
03:35:15,89 --> 03:35:21,33
a particular developer to have to correct the
problem when it's clearly an intersection

2486
03:35:21,34 --> 03:35:25,32
problem that's a problem
for state highway. That's

2487
03:35:25,33 --> 03:35:30,33
a nice statement I think we should try
to hold on to it. And so you know we're

2488
03:35:30,34 --> 03:35:35,30
going to continue to press that. But
I think it is you know I think it is

2489
03:35:35,34 --> 03:35:42,11
unrealistic to if anybody wanted to do
anything in the Tacoma Junction area

2490
03:35:42,62 --> 03:35:47,77
to have them be the one that ends up
having to pay all the money to do the

2491
03:35:47,78 --> 03:35:49,18
intersection is quite

2492
03:35:49,19 --> 03:35:55,88
a burden so you know if any one of the
small businesses wanted to add more than

2493
03:35:55,89 --> 03:36:00,42
a thousand square feet to the back of
their business or anything this triggers

2494
03:36:00,43 --> 03:36:05,00
these kind of reviews it would trigger
the exact same kind of review as this

2495
03:36:05,01 --> 03:36:09,45
project and I So I think you know just
keeping in mind that we are right on the

2496
03:36:09,46 --> 03:36:11,13
cusp and we have

2497
03:36:11,14 --> 03:36:15,78
a failing intersection that needs to be
dealt with is part of what we're doing.

2498
03:36:16,94 --> 03:36:20,36
Because we're responsible in our
community for trying to have

2499
03:36:20,37 --> 03:36:25,42
a better and or section. So I want to
just kind of lay out that there's these

2500
03:36:25,43 --> 03:36:31,53
different tracks. We have to kind of figure
out what we can afford on things that

2501
03:36:32,00 --> 03:36:36,00
might cost us money when it's some of the
questions that were raised last week and

2502
03:36:36,01 --> 03:36:41,91
have been sent to to me over time are
additional counts of different kinds of

2503
03:36:41,92 --> 03:36:48,22
studies that might be done some of those
are expensive and we have hit the maximum

2504
03:36:48,23 --> 03:36:49,95
of our contract with A.M.T.

2505
03:36:50,17 --> 03:36:53,68
Without having it come back
for through to get a you know

2506
03:36:53,72 --> 03:37:00,47
a new contract through council. You know
there may be and it may be worth that but

2507
03:37:00,48 --> 03:37:05,21
we have to recognize that will need to
make some choices about additional study

2508
03:37:05,22 --> 03:37:09,51
work that might be done maybe some and
we have asked for some additional

2509
03:37:09,52 --> 03:37:13,26
information from the traffic
group that gets paid by N.B.C.

2510
03:37:13,77 --> 03:37:17,93
So it's not direct it's not out of our
pocket on that but there's some limits to

2511
03:37:17,94 --> 03:37:24,89
what we can ask of that nice to be
associated with the project. I think we have

2512
03:37:24,90 --> 03:37:28,32
some of the information but
we've still frankly it's been

2513
03:37:28,33 --> 03:37:34,25
a very difficult week. For the with the
with the number of staff that are here to

2514
03:37:34,26 --> 03:37:39,19
try to accommodate all the questions in
and getting answers from lawyers and from

2515
03:37:39,20 --> 03:37:43,52
traffic engineers and and the
different parties and put this in

2516
03:37:43,53 --> 03:37:46,38
a form that can come back out
to you we're very close on

2517
03:37:46,39 --> 03:37:51,53
a lot of this but I didn't have it by the
by the time of this meeting I guess the

2518
03:37:51,54 --> 03:37:57,12
other thing that I would just like
to say. Not on traffic is that.

2519
03:37:58,47 --> 03:38:05,46
We have been working on compiling. The kinds
of comments that you've had on the job

2520
03:38:05,47 --> 03:38:09,93
site plan that has been presented to
you so far things are in that you're

2521
03:38:09,94 --> 03:38:14,12
interested in trying to draft. After

2522
03:38:14,13 --> 03:38:19,98
a solution what that takes though and part
of the discussion for the seedling is if

2523
03:38:19,99 --> 03:38:26,55
there are elements that have been Address
think you need to make sure they're in

2524
03:38:26,56 --> 03:38:32,36
a draft resolution when it comes before
you we need to identify that I think it

2525
03:38:32,37 --> 03:38:32,67
hurt

2526
03:38:32,79 --> 03:38:37,52
a lot from folks but there may be some
additional pieces that have occurred to you

2527
03:38:37,53 --> 03:38:43,43
through listening to you constituents
reading some of the information or we're

2528
03:38:43,44 --> 03:38:46,08
still you know sometimes
you get some information

2529
03:38:46,09 --> 03:38:50,66
a desk means you ask another question so
like to hear if there's some additional

2530
03:38:51,02 --> 03:38:56,21
kinds of thoughts that need to come out
today so that we can make sure that we get

2531
03:38:56,22 --> 03:39:01,61
that to you in some in some form for
your. Further consideration as as the

2532
03:39:01,62 --> 03:39:08,21
resolution gets put together.
And I have one question on

2533
03:39:09,10 --> 03:39:15,31
and I know we talked about this when we
talked about we went for the tap Grant. And

2534
03:39:15,32 --> 03:39:15,69
that's for

2535
03:39:15,70 --> 03:39:22,26
a design with that also cover and additional
money for some of the things that we

2536
03:39:22,27 --> 03:39:28,71
were talking about with the. Questions that
have come up regarding the traffic. But

2537
03:39:28,72 --> 03:39:34,72
I don't I don't know I don't know I mean
so because of how this intersection

2538
03:39:34,76 --> 03:39:38,63
because of its location and how it intersects
with so many different things there

2539
03:39:38,64 --> 03:39:38,98
might be

2540
03:39:38,99 --> 03:39:45,98
a kind of broad area that it could
go into I just can't say. Right

2541
03:39:45,99 --> 03:39:52,74
well why don't we take this first what we
spend some time talking about if there's

2542
03:39:52,75 --> 03:39:57,47
things in regarding the traffic studies
or other things and in addition I know

2543
03:39:57,51 --> 03:40:03,94
people are here and again some techs I know
people watching as well. In the meeting

2544
03:40:03,95 --> 03:40:08,39
this evening and I would just say that
many of us have been funneling as the city

2545
03:40:08,40 --> 03:40:10,02
manager said question

2546
03:40:10,06 --> 03:40:15,05
a lot of questions and we were given the
hour the late hour I'm not sure we have to

2547
03:40:15,09 --> 03:40:19,38
repeat all of those this
evening but if there's

2548
03:40:19,39 --> 03:40:23,44
a new regarding the traffic studies and I
will just say thank you to the residents

2549
03:40:23,45 --> 03:40:28,49
who have went back where you watched the
presentations last night and sent us

2550
03:40:28,71 --> 03:40:33,96
additional questions and Alice's And
also I just want to note that I really

2551
03:40:33,97 --> 03:40:38,78
appreciated that the co-op has done that
study of its deliveries and to share that

2552
03:40:38,79 --> 03:40:41,35
information we have actually

2553
03:40:41,86 --> 03:40:48,82
a pretty quick hit graphed out. When the
deliveries occur how long those trucks

2554
03:40:48,83 --> 03:40:55,62
are how many overlap at what length. In
the way that we have been looking at this

2555
03:40:55,67 --> 03:41:02,50
they could all be accommodated with the
labor and the Book of the deliveries do

2556
03:41:02,51 --> 03:41:06,13
happen before the door open.
That so that if there's

2557
03:41:06,14 --> 03:41:08,88
a small vehicle that it could go
into the sycamore Avenue lot that's

2558
03:41:08,89 --> 03:41:13,93
a possibility as well so we're going to be
sharing this information but we need to

2559
03:41:13,94 --> 03:41:18,78
double check it and I think it will be great
to work with the co-op to ensure that

2560
03:41:18,79 --> 03:41:23,51
this information makes sense to them and
if there's some additional information

2561
03:41:23,52 --> 03:41:29,80
that we need to get from them that we do
that. But we you know we all want this to

2562
03:41:29,81 --> 03:41:35,78
work and so part of this I really appreciated
staff being able to take that data

2563
03:41:35,79 --> 03:41:38,06
from their spreadsheet and putting it into

2564
03:41:38,07 --> 03:41:41,68
a little time line with
length of truck so we have

2565
03:41:41,69 --> 03:41:45,61
a you know it's so that's something
that we can really see and it's

2566
03:41:45,62 --> 03:41:52,12
a very good discussion point as well in the
mediation I think it has real facts for

2567
03:41:52,13 --> 03:41:55,82
them to use which is what we want to spend

2568
03:41:55,83 --> 03:42:02,60
a little time talking about traffic
study. Of all yes thank you.

2569
03:42:03,74 --> 03:42:09,99
So I won't go into I don't think I
mean I think yeah I was just a label

2570
03:42:10,00 --> 03:42:13,87
a truck I mean again I need to say just
trust us but if you have sent us questions

2571
03:42:14,65 --> 03:42:16,47
we have and we have

2572
03:42:16,48 --> 03:42:21,44
a if we have acknowledged them we have
been one of the prime offenders forwarding

2573
03:42:21,45 --> 03:42:27,09
questions from others that is on traffic
and we I think we all have. But I do they

2574
03:42:27,10 --> 03:42:32,58
do think it's worth. It
dressing two things now.

2575
03:42:34,62 --> 03:42:39,78
One of which we've talked about before
but just again with feeling what is your

2576
03:42:39,79 --> 03:42:46,00
understanding at this point of who pays for
the reconfiguration assuming that there

2577
03:42:46,01 --> 03:42:53,00
may be one in all so again I think
we've touched on this before but

2578
03:42:53,11 --> 03:42:59,27
what's the public process on
commenting on can configuration

2579
03:43:00,00 --> 03:43:06,10
options if it goes forward
state level. The.

2580
03:43:10,41 --> 03:43:13,62
I think state highway has
attended seen math to have

2581
03:43:13,63 --> 03:43:20,37
a very. Big public process however the
state highway administrator has indicated

2582
03:43:20,38 --> 03:43:21,46
that he is interested in

2583
03:43:21,47 --> 03:43:26,92
a public process and so I think that
because we are always interested in

2584
03:43:26,93 --> 03:43:32,61
a public crisis there would be one. That
is something we still need to find out

2585
03:43:32,62 --> 03:43:38,33
more information about from him
her and how that timing goes

2586
03:43:39,02 --> 03:43:41,15
there's there's two ways

2587
03:43:41,16 --> 03:43:46,13
a public process on that one is gathering
in put about what are people's needs

2588
03:43:46,14 --> 03:43:52,79
particularly of adjacent businesses and
residents. The other is just you know there

2589
03:43:52,80 --> 03:43:54,88
certainly is a whole process related to

2590
03:43:54,89 --> 03:44:01,41
a historic review with the Maryland Historic
Trust and then there is general public

2591
03:44:01,42 --> 03:44:07,09
comment you know does this mean does
this make sense. State highway has

2592
03:44:07,10 --> 03:44:13,27
a little bit of. Its own hand so
we can kind of make the make the

2593
03:44:13,28 --> 03:44:19,39
decisions and in fact I want to raise that
too when we talk about the whole site

2594
03:44:19,40 --> 03:44:26,14
clan because ultimately the location
of driveways on two hundred ten

2595
03:44:26,15 --> 03:44:31,44
and. The lay by fourteen and all is

2596
03:44:31,45 --> 03:44:38,28
a decision by SH this not. They they
have not officially received that as

2597
03:44:38,29 --> 03:44:40,57
a request and so they've
not officially made

2598
03:44:40,58 --> 03:44:46,81
a decision but that's those are things
that really they're kind of final word on.

2599
03:44:48,50 --> 03:44:53,50
And then on my understanding on I'm sorry
and you and I was about who would pay who

2600
03:44:53,51 --> 03:44:58,36
would pay for the reconfiguration my
understanding from what has been discussed

2601
03:44:58,37 --> 03:45:03,20
before is that if this H A I think it's
good I think it's two state highways and

2602
03:45:03,29 --> 03:45:08,75
they pay for I would like sounds lame or
too good to be true but I you know believe

2603
03:45:08,76 --> 03:45:13,60
it for it we have as a city with a
very small budget we have paid for

2604
03:45:13,61 --> 03:45:18,51
a lot of stuff on State Highway. And that's
I think it's ridiculous this could be

2605
03:45:18,52 --> 03:45:25,29
an expensive project in the past we have
partnered with. Council governments

2606
03:45:25,30 --> 03:45:29,52
and the of folks that's why we've got
money for Ethan Allen project in

2607
03:45:29,53 --> 03:45:35,05
a variety of of those kinds and flower
Avenue with tax funds so again you know

2608
03:45:35,16 --> 03:45:39,19
that's part of the reason we looked at that
everybody would try to bring something

2609
03:45:39,20 --> 03:45:42,90
to the table. I really
believe it should be

2610
03:45:42,91 --> 03:45:48,58
a state funded project. That that's just
my bill and I will say that the morning

2611
03:45:48,59 --> 03:45:54,57
after we had. The residents call the meeting
that was in the fire station groups

2612
03:45:54,58 --> 03:46:00,43
later the administrator state highway and
I spoke by phone and I have my notes

2613
03:46:00,44 --> 03:46:02,88
right in front of me and says Yes A.J.

2614
03:46:02,92 --> 03:46:04,41
Investing money because this is

2615
03:46:04,42 --> 03:46:11,17
a preexisting situation so whether they
pay for the whole thing. You know we

2616
03:46:11,18 --> 03:46:12,37
haven't had those details of

2617
03:46:12,38 --> 03:46:18,40
a conversation but the state highway
administration has said this is

2618
03:46:18,41 --> 03:46:22,92
a preexisting condition that the city is
dealing with that we can no longer do

2619
03:46:22,93 --> 03:46:26,68
Band-Aid fixes we need to be thinking
about how to make real changes to this

2620
03:46:26,69 --> 03:46:32,46
intersection and that
means investment. So it's

2621
03:46:32,47 --> 03:46:37,71
a Republican administration that recognizes
preexisting conditions you know. I'm

2622
03:46:37,72 --> 03:46:41,82
just I'm not going to say that because I'm
going to say that administrators Slater

2623
03:46:41,83 --> 03:46:46,43
and I have had very good conversations and
I don't care what parties are OK if you

2624
03:46:46,44 --> 03:46:49,21
get it because that interaction. We have

2625
03:46:49,22 --> 03:46:54,76
a cost estimate. No And in fact I mean
that comes from that comes with the design

2626
03:46:54,77 --> 03:46:59,59
so one of the things that's going to be
very important is is what is the correct

2627
03:46:59,60 --> 03:47:04,63
design and you know there have been several
design step have been looked at in post

2628
03:47:04,64 --> 03:47:10,86
by the two traffic studies and. In
my view each of them has pros and

2629
03:47:10,94 --> 03:47:17,64
cons. You know some have.
If you are constant others

2630
03:47:18,51 --> 03:47:22,94
I thought it was very helpful that Lorraine
Purcell had an analysis of different

2631
03:47:22,95 --> 03:47:27,98
ones and looking forward to continue to
talk with her but the you know that's what

2632
03:47:27,99 --> 03:47:33,25
will need to go through on each of these
designs and and because state highway has

2633
03:47:33,34 --> 03:47:38,84
known that we are interested in this
intersection they have had their own staff in

2634
03:47:38,85 --> 03:47:42,50
some format looking at this and they don't
know how much work but they may have

2635
03:47:42,51 --> 03:47:48,62
a different answer altogether.
Canceling caustic I just have

2636
03:47:48,63 --> 03:47:51,97
a couple of things I won't reiterate
other questions that I have

2637
03:47:52,86 --> 03:47:57,35
a number of questions that I hope we can
get answers to those from the traffic

2638
03:47:57,36 --> 03:48:04,06
groups. So related to cut through
traffic again I want to just

2639
03:48:04,59 --> 03:48:10,93
propose to my colleagues and. Make it known
that I think it would make sense for us

2640
03:48:10,94 --> 03:48:15,73
to look at larger scale cut their trapping
traffic throughout the city so that we

2641
03:48:15,74 --> 03:48:20,20
have some of those numbers long term.
I think those would be useful for

2642
03:48:20,21 --> 03:48:26,38
a lot of different purposes for
considering. New projects to

2643
03:48:26,69 --> 03:48:31,82
considering traffic calming and sidewalk
installations to just looking at changes

2644
03:48:31,83 --> 03:48:34,69
in traffic throughout the
city long term to give us

2645
03:48:34,70 --> 03:48:39,35
a baseline of what's happening so I hope
that's something we can explore more long

2646
03:48:39,36 --> 03:48:43,00
term I don't see that as something that
we need to do directly related to the

2647
03:48:43,04 --> 03:48:49,49
junction project but something larger
throughout the city. That's what I do think

2648
03:48:49,75 --> 03:48:51,89
we need a little more
information from AM T.

2649
03:48:52,23 --> 03:48:55,90
About their data on Jackson and what which
I was disappointed they didn't include

2650
03:48:55,91 --> 03:49:01,51
in their report and we have asked
for that. And then I had two

2651
03:49:02,18 --> 03:49:08,65
questions one was if. This
project goes to the county

2652
03:49:08,78 --> 03:49:14,28
and for whatever reason it is not possible
to reconfigure the intersection or

2653
03:49:14,29 --> 03:49:14,47
there's

2654
03:49:14,48 --> 03:49:18,79
a question about reconfiguring the
intersection is it possible that the county

2655
03:49:18,80 --> 03:49:23,77
would approve it or does the eighty
second delay entirely preclude them from

2656
03:49:23,98 --> 03:49:27,47
approving it I don't know I
mean I think that that's

2657
03:49:27,48 --> 03:49:33,03
a good question. The.

2658
03:49:36,86 --> 03:49:43,69
County language is that you simply
have to accommodate the extra from

2659
03:49:43,88 --> 03:49:48,36
the new development. They're
trying to look at this at

2660
03:49:48,37 --> 03:49:52,54
a larger scale so that's why they talk
about this other background information.

2661
03:49:53,77 --> 03:50:00,19
It's possible that they could be
talked out of including. Traffic from

2662
03:50:00,20 --> 03:50:04,25
a proposal that was introduced in two
thousand and four and has not had any

2663
03:50:04,26 --> 03:50:10,26
activity since two thousand and
four. I think it would be.

2664
03:50:12,03 --> 03:50:17,49
A hard push but I don't I don't know
exactly if we could explore that

2665
03:50:17,50 --> 03:50:20,82
a little further early but an example of
interest are you sure you have they I mean

2666
03:50:20,89 --> 03:50:25,64
they also have received an enormous number
of citizen calls and so they're being

2667
03:50:25,70 --> 03:50:31,53
very careful to simply follow exactly what
they can say and so they're not sharing

2668
03:50:31,54 --> 03:50:36,41
additional speculative information at this
point they're trying to be very careful

2669
03:50:36,42 --> 03:50:40,38
so that they're not telling once one
person one thing in a different person

2670
03:50:40,39 --> 03:50:46,61
a different. And so related to that if this
goes down the line in the hospital has

2671
03:50:46,62 --> 03:50:52,58
moved before it gets into the county process
with those traffic numbers be taken

2672
03:50:52,59 --> 03:50:56,12
out or with those to be included because
they were part of this original traffic

2673
03:50:56,13 --> 03:50:59,75
study I think that frankly
if if this gets delayed

2674
03:50:59,76 --> 03:51:04,65
a year and tears into the project and the
hospital moves I think that they will

2675
03:51:04,66 --> 03:51:10,03
have to take those numbers out. Now they
may keep some baseline in the air assuming

2676
03:51:10,04 --> 03:51:14,13
that something could come in and they
might they might take the underlying our

2677
03:51:14,14 --> 03:51:17,91
sixty zone for half I'm just speaking of
the top of my head because I don't know

2678
03:51:17,92 --> 03:51:23,33
the answer but they might say that it could
equate to this number of single family

2679
03:51:23,34 --> 03:51:29,43
homes and so you have to keep some baseline
number in there but. I mean I think

2680
03:51:29,44 --> 03:51:29,87
that would be

2681
03:51:29,88 --> 03:51:36,08
a fairly substantive change. And then my
other question is related to the design

2682
03:51:36,09 --> 03:51:37,78
process and our role as

2683
03:51:37,79 --> 03:51:44,60
a counsel. What. What is our role at
this point in time and are we looking at

2684
03:51:44,61 --> 03:51:49,48
identifying something that we
think would work in terms of

2685
03:51:49,49 --> 03:51:56,26
a reconfiguration and to what level of
specificity in what format what is our

2686
03:51:56,49 --> 03:52:03,26
involvement in that. I think in
terms of the reach in terms of

2687
03:52:03,27 --> 03:52:10,02
a reorganization of the intersection.
I think that because there

2688
03:52:10,11 --> 03:52:16,71
are some reasonable options that
have been presented you probably

2689
03:52:17,25 --> 03:52:17,87
don't take

2690
03:52:17,88 --> 03:52:23,70
a position on it at this time other than
you may in your resolution or in an

2691
03:52:23,85 --> 03:52:25,09
especially at

2692
03:52:25,10 --> 03:52:30,61
a resolution to the Planning Board want to
make some very specific comments on the

2693
03:52:30,62 --> 03:52:33,80
district in safety or
location of bus stops or

2694
03:52:33,81 --> 03:52:40,11
a variety of those kinds of things. May not
say that it has to be this way but here

2695
03:52:40,12 --> 03:52:43,56
are the things that you care about or that
you want to see you don't want to see so

2696
03:52:43,57 --> 03:52:50,42
there might be that kind of specificity.
If if for example the only answer

2697
03:52:50,43 --> 03:52:55,64
to this intersection where around about
which you know and just politically think

2698
03:52:55,68 --> 03:52:59,54
you know not going there that may
be a time when you might take

2699
03:52:59,55 --> 03:53:00,55
a more active role but there's

2700
03:53:00,56 --> 03:53:06,90
a variety of options that are less than
that that. I think they seem to indicate

2701
03:53:06,91 --> 03:53:13,17
that there's room for discussion with us
ha for options and would would that be if

2702
03:53:13,18 --> 03:53:17,23
say that we're looking at around about for
example is that something that we would

2703
03:53:17,24 --> 03:53:20,89
be notified of and then we would provide
that comment or is that something that.

2704
03:53:22,09 --> 03:53:25,65
You will definitely know actually I mean
one of the things that's really important

2705
03:53:25,66 --> 03:53:30,22
here is that there will be lots of back
and forth and there's going to be times

2706
03:53:30,23 --> 03:53:35,78
when somebody might come up with something
that you say oh no we're not doing that

2707
03:53:36,70 --> 03:53:40,75
you can speak up right then you don't need
to wait to the end and then say no we

2708
03:53:40,76 --> 03:53:47,61
don't want this because of that. Now.
We would not you would not want to way

2709
03:53:48,17 --> 03:53:51,27
yeah all right thank you and I
would just add to what the C.

2710
03:53:51,28 --> 03:53:56,00
Manager said I think now that we've got
in the final analysis of the traffic

2711
03:53:56,01 --> 03:54:01,90
studies we have these few questions is you
know basically reaching out to me like

2712
03:54:01,91 --> 03:54:07,02
OK what's the next step and then see how
that conversation goes bringing that back

2713
03:54:07,03 --> 03:54:12,08
to the full council and then I think we
may have some decision points from there

2714
03:54:12,09 --> 03:54:18,04
but at this point I think. Spending
more time looking at this was if it

2715
03:54:18,22 --> 03:54:22,80
configurations without getting at least
some initial feedback from SH Kerry may not

2716
03:54:22,81 --> 03:54:29,01
be the best use of our time question on
that point so it would be helpful for.

2717
03:54:30,20 --> 03:54:35,21
Prior to starting the process to at least
communicate some of the priorities that

2718
03:54:35,22 --> 03:54:39,27
we that we have I mean we've gone through
all of these analyses we have all of

2719
03:54:39,28 --> 03:54:44,20
these different plans would it make sense
for us to at least be able to communicate

2720
03:54:44,32 --> 03:54:48,60
there are plenty of options for reconfiguration
and we would prefer an option that

2721
03:54:48,61 --> 03:54:49,61
includes A.B.C.

2722
03:54:50,30 --> 03:54:54,90
But that be helpful in kind of sparking
some of the discussion with us ha I think

2723
03:54:54,91 --> 03:54:55,52
it's I think it's

2724
03:54:55,53 --> 03:55:00,18
a very good to do that it's good not only
to do that for the discussion with this

2725
03:55:00,19 --> 03:55:04,41
ha on the configuration but it also is
important for the other county agencies that

2726
03:55:04,42 --> 03:55:09,47
would be looking at the. Don't plan to say
oh well if you know that their priority

2727
03:55:09,48 --> 03:55:14,09
is that then yeah we shouldn't be moving
the drive way over here so it helps give

2728
03:55:14,10 --> 03:55:18,28
them some direction about where your
priorities are you may not want to write them

2729
03:55:18,29 --> 03:55:25,20
as. It too. But it's really helpful
to say what you prefer and what you

2730
03:55:25,21 --> 03:55:29,19
don't prefer And of course if there's
something that you absolutely have to have or

2731
03:55:29,20 --> 03:55:34,15
don't you know where won't except you
can put that but it's that kind of

2732
03:55:34,16 --> 03:55:38,96
information is really helpful in looking
at the overall plan because it may affect

2733
03:55:38,97 --> 03:55:42,67
something that you're not
thinking of directly. You know as

2734
03:55:42,68 --> 03:55:47,64
a utility looks at this for some. And
that's that's helpful to get in mind so as

2735
03:55:47,65 --> 03:55:51,99
we're reviewing it as we're asking questions
and getting lots of ideas to kind of

2736
03:55:52,00 --> 03:55:57,66
really. What is it that you would fall on
the sword to keep and then be unable to

2737
03:55:57,67 --> 03:56:04,56
communicate. Right now who

2738
03:56:04,57 --> 03:56:11,05
is there anything else you're good council
member cover. On the eighty second

2739
03:56:11,06 --> 03:56:18,02
question. So when the traffic. Studies

2740
03:56:18,03 --> 03:56:21,43
were done and they found that certain
points it exceeded that which I think was

2741
03:56:21,44 --> 03:56:26,55
typically rush hour early so would exceed
that with the addition of the other

2742
03:56:26,56 --> 03:56:32,65
projects that were in the works. Is the
assumption that there are times even now

2743
03:56:32,66 --> 03:56:37,99
when the already exceeds the I did you
know check for one day because you know as

2744
03:56:38,00 --> 03:56:41,60
you know I mentioned questions or concerns
I had about the recalibration and

2745
03:56:41,61 --> 03:56:44,92
whether it's really working the way it's
intended and then meanwhile I'm continuing

2746
03:56:44,93 --> 03:56:49,05
to hear from residents who see in individual
cases where the wait is much longer

2747
03:56:49,06 --> 03:56:55,12
than that where the light is much longer
than that. So it seems like. We're already

2748
03:56:55,20 --> 03:57:00,38
there basically right I think so how do
you do it by averages and why they all of

2749
03:57:00,39 --> 03:57:06,80
the studies done at least ten simulations
on the same thing just have to do that.

2750
03:57:08,29 --> 03:57:14,53
There are certainly in any time be
something that you know throws it out of

2751
03:57:14,79 --> 03:57:19,77
kilter and that was one of the things that
we found out actually last Thursday when

2752
03:57:19,81 --> 03:57:24,73
we County traffic engineer who's dealing
with it has been dealing with the timing

2753
03:57:24,74 --> 03:57:25,75
for questions for

2754
03:57:25,76 --> 03:57:32,57
a long time about the signals. Around four
thirty four forty five long backup on

2755
03:57:32,62 --> 03:57:38,04
Philadelphia at the first station and
investigating found that at the first station

2756
03:57:38,05 --> 03:57:43,23
override button had been pressed three
times in half an hour. When the override

2757
03:57:43,24 --> 03:57:49,20
button is pressed so that all the lights
go red so that the fire point is the goal

2758
03:57:49,21 --> 03:57:53,86
is for the fire truck to either
come out or go in. It takes

2759
03:57:53,87 --> 03:58:00,64
a few cycles before it gets back.
To the right system and so that may

2760
03:58:00,65 --> 03:58:03,05
very well be why sometimes there is

2761
03:58:03,06 --> 03:58:07,26
a back up on one of these streets that
because that override button got pushed it's

2762
03:58:07,27 --> 03:58:08,29
just out of kilter for

2763
03:58:08,30 --> 03:58:12,32
a little bit so that even though most of
the time it's working fine then all of

2764
03:58:12,33 --> 03:58:13,71
a sudden one Carol Avenue there's

2765
03:58:13,72 --> 03:58:19,43
a line. Or whatever and so I think you
know that's there is going to be these

2766
03:58:19,44 --> 03:58:23,19
glitches so that's why they have to
take the average so I may send you

2767
03:58:23,94 --> 03:58:30,48
a few more examples of that but is it
that crucial. Whether we do or don't

2768
03:58:30,49 --> 03:58:34,69
exceed that level I mean I guess this is
following up on it's absolutely crucial

2769
03:58:34,70 --> 03:58:36,90
from the county's point of view
they have a pretty They have

2770
03:58:36,91 --> 03:58:43,36
a hard line at eighty second billing.
That's their you know this they don't they

2771
03:58:43,37 --> 03:58:48,25
don't do in judgment call they have this
hard line it's eighty second so but they

2772
03:58:48,26 --> 03:58:53,66
can make you're saying they can make
it conditional on. Approval based on.

2773
03:58:54,77 --> 03:59:00,64
Fixing. A delay of a major or am I
missing it won't be approved if there's

2774
03:59:00,65 --> 03:59:06,100
a delay of eighty seconds. Or so and
have in other words what goes in

2775
03:59:07,13 --> 03:59:12,14
is a recommended
reconfiguration. Maybe not

2776
03:59:12,15 --> 03:59:19,11
a specific design but reconfiguring
the intersection and. Goes in as

2777
03:59:19,12 --> 03:59:23,35
part of the plane right and so then again
that's what I'm saying that there is like

2778
03:59:23,40 --> 03:59:29,01
this other track which is the idea that you
just have to accommodate the additional

2779
03:59:29,02 --> 03:59:33,46
number of cars from the one development
they're not going that route they're

2780
03:59:33,47 --> 03:59:36,69
looking at this higher level
route where they count in

2781
03:59:36,78 --> 03:59:41,45
a variety of other you know
potential developments but.

2782
03:59:43,77 --> 03:59:47,77
I think they're you know they want to see
the intersection fixed too and they're

2783
03:59:47,81 --> 03:59:51,69
like I said they're trying to be very careful
so they just give the same answer to

2784
03:59:51,70 --> 03:59:58,19
us no matter which way we ask
it. And I think. You know it

2785
03:59:58,20 --> 04:00:00,65
Demain be though that it doesn't take

2786
04:00:00,66 --> 04:00:07,05
a whole scale intersection change to make
the difference of the eighty seconds and

2787
04:00:07,06 --> 04:00:12,00
that may be part of something that we find
out from state highway that she really

2788
04:00:12,11 --> 04:00:15,94
you don't really have to completely get rid
of the white Morse and park and move it

2789
04:00:15,95 --> 04:00:16,00
in

2790
04:00:16,01 --> 04:00:21,42
a different way it could just be some other
placement of something or removal of

2791
04:00:21,43 --> 04:00:25,54
a traffic signal or
something in. Me This is

2792
04:00:25,55 --> 04:00:30,76
a question that counts I'm asked. A couple
of weeks ago on our own or make sure I

2793
04:00:30,77 --> 04:00:36,46
have the right answer when we ask the
traffic groups to do their analysis the

2794
04:00:36,47 --> 04:00:41,40
resolution we passed back in October said
we want you to do it in different you

2795
04:00:41,41 --> 04:00:48,32
know sizes that's rental sizes of it
and so what my recollection is if the

2796
04:00:48,33 --> 04:00:53,82
size was reduced that and still it still
goes over the level I still doesn't I just

2797
04:00:53,83 --> 04:00:55,58
wonder if there was nothing that made

2798
04:00:55,59 --> 04:01:02,54
a difference on that. Before
you get to the before you

2799
04:01:02,55 --> 04:01:08,81
get to the two new. Potential projects it
goes over the level of the eighty second

2800
04:01:08,82 --> 04:01:15,59
so it's it's. Yeah I mean I
think they have found that

2801
04:01:16,02 --> 04:01:22,96
they have something else has to
happen. And. In just again to

2802
04:01:22,97 --> 04:01:27,31
be clear and so we hear these two studies
and they both suggest that the thing that

2803
04:01:27,32 --> 04:01:31,39
has to happen is not changing
the stop sign or painting

2804
04:01:32,05 --> 04:01:36,97
a line on its reconfigured that especially
those of African generics have so come

2805
04:01:36,98 --> 04:01:41,73
up with if this proposal goes
forward it goes forward with

2806
04:01:41,74 --> 04:01:47,70
a recommendation to reconfigure the
intersection in some form Yeah that's my take

2807
04:01:47,71 --> 04:01:54,55
from it and what we've been told.
Well I mean part of this is until

2808
04:01:54,56 --> 04:01:59,03
it actually goes into the development
review process in the SH They won't look at

2809
04:01:59,04 --> 04:02:05,79
the exact plan they won't I mean it's
it's I mean it's part of this. They

2810
04:02:06,04 --> 04:02:10,30
simply won't won't do that level
of study right so I guess just

2811
04:02:10,31 --> 04:02:14,11
a last question I'm sorry for getting
bogged down in this present really more

2812
04:02:14,12 --> 04:02:20,51
important. So the project itself if it
were to be approved our city projects

2813
04:02:20,95 --> 04:02:26,06
and the traffic reconfiguring project
to call that those two can proceed on

2814
04:02:26,07 --> 04:02:32,18
separate tracks but they are connected by
this eighty second that's ready so what

2815
04:02:32,32 --> 04:02:37,19
what I what we were told
before was that if there is

2816
04:02:37,20 --> 04:02:43,70
a commitment to redoing the
intersection. And that means real money

2817
04:02:43,75 --> 04:02:49,03
real you know real commitment and age and
sex I mean I know but not just like oh

2818
04:02:49,04 --> 04:02:54,94
yeah we're going to get it done. Then the
development can go forward. But there's

2819
04:02:54,95 --> 04:02:56,29
it's got to be you know

2820
04:02:56,30 --> 04:03:02,97
a fairly soon time thereafter that the
actual intersection reconfiguration

2821
04:03:02,98 --> 04:03:08,86
takes place and one of the you know one of
the topics that we have talked about is

2822
04:03:08,87 --> 04:03:13,92
what does that mean for the placement of
the labor because if you have the labor I

2823
04:03:13,92 --> 04:03:20,87
. If you don't have the intersection
reconfigured at first then the Labor

2824
04:03:20,88 --> 04:03:26,56
has got to be farther back from the
intersection until the intersections redone

2825
04:03:26,57 --> 04:03:27,36
then they can move up

2826
04:03:27,37 --> 04:03:31,17
a little closer and then that's part of
the issue about how much public space is

2827
04:03:31,18 --> 04:03:36,67
available on the west end of the project
so you know that's been part of that's

2828
04:03:36,68 --> 04:03:42,44
been part of the discussion. So I guess I
would just say I mean it seems like for

2829
04:03:42,45 --> 04:03:46,15
all the people who spoke tonight or people
I spoke to generally in the community

2830
04:03:46,33 --> 04:03:52,30
not everybody tonight mention traffic
obviously but everybody who did it said that

2831
04:03:52,31 --> 04:03:55,46
they think there's already too much traffic
there and we need to address it so it

2832
04:03:55,68 --> 04:04:01,77
sort of strikes me sort of it strikes me
that. Whatever happens with the Tacoma

2833
04:04:01,78 --> 04:04:05,67
junction project we need to fix the traffic
and the intersection Yes So we've been

2834
04:04:05,68 --> 04:04:09,03
asking we've been saying that for fifteen
years now so then we're finally at the

2835
04:04:09,04 --> 04:04:09,44
point where

2836
04:04:09,45 --> 04:04:15,31
a city is paying attention to that yes
we absolutely agree. But I would you say

2837
04:04:15,32 --> 04:04:19,18
Well I think I don't know how much it
would cause but some of the extra studies

2838
04:04:19,19 --> 04:04:23,88
that council member constables talk
about I'd be willing to do that within

2839
04:04:23,89 --> 04:04:28,29
a reasonable level of costs I just want to
toss it out there for some of the extra

2840
04:04:28,30 --> 04:04:31,78
cut to try. And.

2841
04:04:35,62 --> 04:04:41,08
Pretty soon we're going to have a
county executive and when things as

2842
04:04:41,09 --> 04:04:45,82
a council previous councils that
we really do talk about is.

2843
04:04:48,93 --> 04:04:53,99
You know I've stated my position on the
project but the intersection like council

2844
04:04:54,00 --> 04:04:59,82
member Kovar stated needs to be
approved and there probably will be

2845
04:04:59,83 --> 04:05:06,61
a requirement for money from the city
with the to be appropriate not just

2846
04:05:06,62 --> 04:05:09,34
a tip for the specific
location but more like

2847
04:05:09,35 --> 04:05:13,52
a tiff overlay that includes New Hampshire
out of me because that's where we have

2848
04:05:13,53 --> 04:05:19,62
discussed this on numerous occasions so
the idea that I mean the scheme that has

2849
04:05:19,63 --> 04:05:26,55
been talked about. Which we don't have
authority to do by state law. Would

2850
04:05:26,56 --> 04:05:33,51
be that assuming that improvements mean
that there's greater property value of

2851
04:05:33,99 --> 04:05:36,22
surrounding properties that

2852
04:05:36,23 --> 04:05:42,97
a portion of the tax money that would
come from that increased value

2853
04:05:43,10 --> 04:05:45,53
would help go to

2854
04:05:45,57 --> 04:05:52,06
a specified find. That was targeted for
that geographic area and what we've talked

2855
04:05:52,07 --> 04:05:58,97
about particularly in the New Hampshire
and University Boulevard area is

2856
04:05:58,98 --> 04:06:04,92
that that's an area that once the purple
line is is is put in could really benefit

2857
04:06:04,93 --> 04:06:09,26
from the US of the mixed use development
that we've been trying to do that helps

2858
04:06:09,27 --> 04:06:10,60
advance affordable housing and

2859
04:06:10,61 --> 04:06:16,59
a variety of things that we want to see.
We need some funds for even if and it's

2860
04:06:16,60 --> 04:06:21,09
not just to have more property tax money
for general government but it would be

2861
04:06:21,10 --> 04:06:27,41
specified for. Either infrastructure
improvements are police seeing or other kinds

2862
04:06:27,42 --> 04:06:32,24
of things that are more specific
to a geographic area. It's

2863
04:06:32,25 --> 04:06:38,85
a possibility I don't know I don't know
if the junction areas big enough you need

2864
04:06:38,86 --> 04:06:42,32
for that sigma make it bigger.
I'm not sure you can have

2865
04:06:42,33 --> 04:06:48,26
a noncontiguous right. But I think that
that's all to look at but in any of them

2866
04:06:48,27 --> 04:06:52,39
please. I don't have state authority and
so it and the county has has said that

2867
04:06:52,40 --> 04:06:56,18
they don't do tips nevertheless they have

2868
04:06:56,19 --> 04:07:03,02
a different name for it that they're
doing at. The pike in rows good

2869
04:07:03,03 --> 04:07:08,92
elements and I kind of stuff so. It's got
some it's got some other generic name

2870
04:07:08,93 --> 04:07:12,25
that you know it's the same thing but it's
and they and they say it's not the same

2871
04:07:12,26 --> 04:07:17,08
thing but exactly the same thing and so you
know if we can get something that would

2872
04:07:17,15 --> 04:07:21,09
that the county can help us on that right
one grape I just want to make sure that

2873
04:07:21,48 --> 04:07:26,78
it's something that we're going to have new
people to we have lots of education to

2874
04:07:26,79 --> 04:07:30,94
do with some new folks yes we can make
sure we can get this in front of them

2875
04:07:31,29 --> 04:07:36,10
because it's very very important
for the future as well. Thank you.

2876
04:07:38,94 --> 04:07:40,46
All right we want to have

2877
04:07:40,47 --> 04:07:46,76
a couple of things that. Traffics thinking
about some of the stuff that was raised

2878
04:07:47,42 --> 04:07:52,94
this evening during public comments I
know we are getting information from.

2879
04:07:55,02 --> 04:08:01,68
The lawyer brakeman regarding the anchor
tenant issue and Jessica's killer and the

2880
04:08:01,69 --> 04:08:08,05
issue about and we have gotten some of that
information break. But we just have to

2881
04:08:08,06 --> 04:08:08,37
play it in

2882
04:08:08,38 --> 04:08:14,19
a format that America had to say two
things with you so. Thank you Tenet issue

2883
04:08:14,63 --> 04:08:20,11
because because we do have that July
eleventh cutoff date we really need to get

2884
04:08:20,12 --> 04:08:25,25
that information not like on July eleventh
so I mean I'm just saying I think the

2885
04:08:25,26 --> 04:08:28,07
more just on the line and it was
just a little confusing to have

2886
04:08:28,08 --> 04:08:34,52
a president call our lawyer today we have
two memos from them today OK And honestly

2887
04:08:34,53 --> 04:08:34,89
having

2888
04:08:34,90 --> 04:08:40,98
a resident from the city call our lawyer
asking for information and I'm sorry calling

2889
04:08:40,99 --> 04:08:43,14
police and it was just it caused

2890
04:08:43,15 --> 04:08:47,89
a bit of confusion right so
we rectified right. Now.

2891
04:08:52,44 --> 04:08:58,30
And so we have had this request in for
a while and we've needed to clarify

2892
04:08:58,34 --> 04:09:01,87
a few things and so I just
we had requested that we had

2893
04:09:01,88 --> 04:09:07,72
a meeting for night and that was hanging
up as after the other point is on the

2894
04:09:07,76 --> 04:09:09,29
overlapping parcels for want of

2895
04:09:09,30 --> 04:09:15,65
a better term. It would be good to know
if there have been other examples of that

2896
04:09:15,66 --> 04:09:21,40
within the County in particular taking into
account the comments of sure and so on

2897
04:09:21,41 --> 04:09:21,90
that there's

2898
04:09:21,91 --> 04:09:27,87
a couple things first is that even that
counting Chinese parcel there's multiple

2899
04:09:27,88 --> 04:09:30,62
parcels so there has to be

2900
04:09:30,63 --> 04:09:37,16
a combination of lots as part of this
project because you. That's how it goes.

2901
04:09:38,62 --> 04:09:44,02
When it comes to the point where it's going
through the county development process

2902
04:09:44,02 --> 04:09:49,14
. There may speed some discussion about
how do we combine all the lots and how do

2903
04:09:49,15 --> 04:09:54,84
we do that and how do we protect everybody's
interests. The only other way really

2904
04:09:54,85 --> 04:09:56,70
is is something that's very similar to

2905
04:09:56,71 --> 04:10:01,55
a condominium approach which
there are models for and that's

2906
04:10:01,56 --> 04:10:08,28
a little more complex. But it
makes sense to not decide that

2907
04:10:08,29 --> 04:10:13,99
yet there are certainly the legal the legal.
Options are pretty straightforward to

2908
04:10:14,14 --> 04:10:19,48
the issue is that. Depending on how the
site plan might change as it goes through

2909
04:10:19,49 --> 04:10:22,88
the process where some of the requirements
may change as it goes through the

2910
04:10:22,89 --> 04:10:28,98
process we can't can completely
commit to one version or another

2911
04:10:29,76 --> 04:10:35,58
at this point we certainly don't
want to have anything that has

2912
04:10:35,62 --> 04:10:42,46
a an element of risk or additional cost
and so we've certainly been looking

2913
04:10:42,47 --> 04:10:49,03
into that. One of the things that will
be very good going through the process

2914
04:10:49,04 --> 04:10:54,03
and getting to the point before building
permits could be done is all of the

2915
04:10:54,04 --> 04:11:00,55
environmental work that has to take
place. You have with the repair place we

2916
04:11:00,56 --> 04:11:05,67
certainly have done environmental studies
on our parcels but that other work has

2917
04:11:05,68 --> 04:11:11,09
started but would need to be completely
reviewed and so so part of this is waiting

2918
04:11:11,10 --> 04:11:13,88
for that information before we make

2919
04:11:13,89 --> 04:11:18,27
a firm decision about which option to do
there's several options and and they are

2920
04:11:18,75 --> 04:11:25,60
doing we'll. Question

2921
04:11:25,85 --> 04:11:32,42
mark over. The other question I have is not
something we've brought up in but might

2922
04:11:32,43 --> 04:11:39,18
want to explore is I think the questions
of trucks on certain streets and

2923
04:11:39,22 --> 04:11:45,56
our ability to limit truck access on city
certain city roads city streets you can

2924
04:11:45,57 --> 04:11:48,43
do what you want and we can say
not this truck not this size

2925
04:11:48,44 --> 04:11:54,76
a truck. Whatever because I think I mean
as the resident brought up who lives in

2926
04:11:54,77 --> 04:12:00,14
Carol. We've talked in councilman caustic
and I have been out there and we've done

2927
04:12:00,18 --> 04:12:07,10
a few things in the last few weeks
there but if there are trucks now go

2928
04:12:07,11 --> 04:12:10,33
in particular because they're going to
sell food or the big three that are coming

2929
04:12:10,34 --> 04:12:12,27
down that really is not

2930
04:12:12,31 --> 04:12:19,16
a street that can so that is. Part
of the issue here too is is the

2931
04:12:19,17 --> 04:12:24,36
I'm going discussion and what
would be an increased discussion.

2932
04:12:28,14 --> 04:12:32,37
How do trucks go through the intersection
and serve all the businesses so this is

2933
04:12:32,59 --> 04:12:38,26
bigger than the co-op the other businesses
need trucks as well and they need to

2934
04:12:38,27 --> 04:12:44,66
liveries. The other. The other
businesses have no place for

2935
04:12:44,67 --> 04:12:51,64
deliveries. That's offsite the
softer street and so. You know

2936
04:12:51,78 --> 04:12:53,64
they've been living without having

2937
04:12:53,65 --> 04:13:00,00
a lot to just pull onto. That doesn't
mean that where they're kind of

2938
04:13:00,01 --> 04:13:04,54
figuring out to go it's the right place
so part of this is how do we look at the

2939
04:13:04,55 --> 04:13:05,00
area as

2940
04:13:05,01 --> 04:13:10,65
a whole as we talk with state highway about
how that area gets reconfigured What

2941
04:13:10,66 --> 04:13:14,08
does that mean for a box truck girl or

2942
04:13:14,09 --> 04:13:20,15
a larger truck that's delivering to soul
food or to spring now whatever. And then

2943
04:13:20,16 --> 04:13:23,98
where do they go from there so just
as we talk about how do you pull into

2944
04:13:23,99 --> 04:13:29,54
a lay by and continue straight as opposed
to going in circles how do we do

2945
04:13:29,55 --> 04:13:34,16
something that goes the other direction
that provides services for the others or

2946
04:13:35,09 --> 04:13:37,10
does the label I end up having to be

2947
04:13:37,42 --> 04:13:41,68
a place where the larger trucks whichever
side of the street run I don't know that

2948
04:13:41,69 --> 04:13:45,74
that's the right answer but is part of the
discussion we need to have as we look

2949
04:13:45,75 --> 04:13:49,66
through what are the what are the service
needs for all of the businesses in the

2950
04:13:49,67 --> 04:13:54,69
area that's going to be very important as
construction occurs to me is going to be

2951
04:13:54,70 --> 04:13:58,58
important for regular day to day operations
but then we look at those Plan B.

2952
04:13:58,73 --> 04:14:02,35
And what happens when when there's when
there's construction of it goes on whether

2953
04:14:02,36 --> 04:14:07,69
it's our site or some other site. I think
it goes to counseling sere sees point

2954
04:14:07,70 --> 04:14:12,79
before about priorities for the intersection
absolutely definitely absolutely and

2955
04:14:12,80 --> 04:14:15,97
you know and I think I mean I
happen to be there when they when

2956
04:14:16,80 --> 04:14:23,11
a truck had kind of parked right where
the buses in front of. Not quite to soul

2957
04:14:23,12 --> 04:14:29,69
food and. Some of the store operators
came out from several different stores is

2958
04:14:29,70 --> 04:14:35,18
a no no you need to pull over you know go
down grant or whatever. That may not be

2959
04:14:35,19 --> 04:14:39,96
the right answer but that was that was
it was clearly the wrong place that it.

2960
04:14:41,00 --> 04:14:47,63
Stopped and we need to have direction for
for the truck drivers. Just to kind of

2961
04:14:47,64 --> 04:14:53,48
piggyback off of that point. I do think
it's important for us to continue to think

2962
04:14:53,49 --> 04:14:57,68
about some of these traffic solutions not
just as it pertains. The junction but as

2963
04:14:57,69 --> 04:14:58,78
it pertains to the city as

2964
04:14:58,79 --> 04:15:04,74
a whole and Ward six in my neighborhood
we get large trucks that are making

2965
04:15:04,75 --> 04:15:08,82
deliveries to their areas grocery stores
and businesses in the Crossroads area

2966
04:15:09,04 --> 04:15:10,50
driving through the community on

2967
04:15:10,51 --> 04:15:16,72
a regular basis so if one thought is hey
let's try to limit the ability of these

2968
04:15:16,73 --> 04:15:20,37
trucks to drive to residential streets
that's right I think that's something

2969
04:15:20,38 --> 04:15:24,13
definitely worth considering but we should
think about it not just as it pertains

2970
04:15:24,14 --> 04:15:27,67
to residential streets around the
junction but throughout the city as

2971
04:15:27,68 --> 04:15:33,92
a whole and I didn't want to raise the point
about the the ridiculous bus that gets

2972
04:15:33,93 --> 04:15:38,41
got on the stormwater garden. Have

2973
04:15:38,45 --> 04:15:41,15
a bus driver it is it is inappropriate for

2974
04:15:41,16 --> 04:15:47,93
a bus driver to use ways there are other
there are truck oriented. Directional

2975
04:15:47,94 --> 04:15:53,63
systems that are appropriate for those
size of trucks or buses or whatever that

2976
04:15:53,64 --> 04:15:59,09
would not do that so and then if we had
certain rules that the city passes said you

2977
04:15:59,10 --> 04:16:03,41
can't go on the street or whatever that
could see into those databases for the

2978
04:16:03,42 --> 04:16:09,32
larger vehicles and so that's you know
that's what the sentence not obviously what

2979
04:16:09,33 --> 04:16:15,96
she used. Any other comments or

2980
04:16:15,97 --> 04:16:22,07
things. Regarding not just traffic studies
but now anything other additional things

2981
04:16:22,08 --> 04:16:28,81
that we want to get from staff
as drafting resolution are

2982
04:16:28,82 --> 04:16:35,08
looking at the proposed site plan they're.
Talking It's not like you guys have been

2983
04:16:35,09 --> 04:16:40,02
e-mail and I. Know you didn't want us to
repeat I don't want you to really don't

2984
04:16:40,03 --> 04:16:44,34
really let you know anything anybody and
frankly if you guys want to do it to me in

2985
04:16:44,35 --> 04:16:50,37
the morning. You know we are trying to
assemble all the information that you've

2986
04:16:50,38 --> 04:16:56,12
already requested much much of it is almost
the urge so that we can get that out.

2987
04:16:57,89 --> 04:17:02,10
Some of it's not really going to be you
know once you're really looking at

2988
04:17:02,11 --> 04:17:06,12
a draft resolution and then you say you
know paragraphs mention is missing on this

2989
04:17:06,13 --> 04:17:11,28
topic or something they're babies more
follow up but. It's hard to think of it all

2990
04:17:11,37 --> 04:17:17,93
I think. At eleven eighteen
two other legal questions and

2991
04:17:18,31 --> 04:17:22,71
they came up tonight and I'm not sure I
think I may have mentioned it but I'm not

2992
04:17:22,72 --> 04:17:24,33
sure we have them as

2993
04:17:24,34 --> 04:17:28,59
a formal question so I understand the form
of question one is this question of our

2994
04:17:28,60 --> 04:17:32,87
ability to go to mediation
not co-op and D.C.

2995
04:17:32,88 --> 04:17:38,58
But the city and the sea sort of whenever
we want to so I know in the development

2996
04:17:38,59 --> 04:17:40,35
room is quite clear that
if we can't agree on

2997
04:17:40,36 --> 04:17:45,24
a side plan then we go to
mediation that it's been

2998
04:17:45,25 --> 04:17:51,92
a Will hazy to me how we would do that if
that wasn't exactly where we were Unless

2999
04:17:51,93 --> 04:17:56,14
the answer is we can just say any time I
want we're unhappy with this I was going

3000
04:17:56,15 --> 04:17:59,88
to mediation again you have to answer that
now but I mean that has actually I mean

3001
04:17:59,89 --> 04:18:04,37
so the good with the development of
Freeman is written is that there are some

3002
04:18:04,38 --> 04:18:10,00
specific things that they talk
about that. Can go to mediation.

3003
04:18:12,27 --> 04:18:17,11
If it's for any other topic it's not ruled
out that you can go to mediation but it

3004
04:18:17,12 --> 04:18:21,77
would just be you know you could suggest
we have a difference of opinion over X.

3005
04:18:22,07 --> 04:18:26,93
You know if you want let's go to mediation
we can also at any time just say no and

3006
04:18:26,94 --> 04:18:33,65
there's no penalty there's no. Lawsuit from
the sea that says they want their money

3007
04:18:33,66 --> 04:18:38,31
for the preparation of the applications
anything like that so that's it's very

3008
04:18:38,32 --> 04:18:43,37
clear let's just have those point those and
that this was going to be coming out of

3009
04:18:43,38 --> 04:18:47,84
the other and then the last question is
this is raised by at least one person is

3010
04:18:47,85 --> 04:18:53,54
a substandard first leasing question yet
again you have to go into it all now but

3011
04:18:53,55 --> 04:18:57,85
we want to make sure we have that so I
thought I copied everybody but I don't know

3012
04:18:57,86 --> 04:19:03,73
maybe they haven't tried to keep up. There
had been in the way that the agreement

3013
04:19:03,74 --> 04:19:08,20
had been done and talked about in in open
session was that we were going to send

3014
04:19:08,21 --> 04:19:15,10
a note to the CO. That certain date.
The Lend-Lease with and they need to

3015
04:19:15,21 --> 04:19:16,65
have an agreement with N.B.C.

3016
04:19:16,66 --> 04:19:19,55
About how they might be using the lot
for the next year before actually

3017
04:19:19,56 --> 04:19:23,79
construction would occur if it
went forward and then there was

3018
04:19:23,80 --> 04:19:29,72
a discussion to extend that so we sent
over the information I I immediately

3019
04:19:29,83 --> 04:19:35,14
e-mailed the folks that I deal with at the
co-op so that they knew that there was

3020
04:19:35,31 --> 04:19:40,21
that discussion in public session that
there'd be an extension but then we went

3021
04:19:40,22 --> 04:19:44,75
ahead and prepared the information and the
and the documents to send over with that

3022
04:19:44,76 --> 04:19:50,75
September one date so that that was so that
it was. So they weren't wondering like

3023
04:19:50,76 --> 04:19:55,99
well. Which which deadline is so that's
why we did that doesn't mean it can't be

3024
04:19:56,00 --> 04:20:00,34
extended another time but we
did send over it was it was

3025
04:20:00,35 --> 04:20:07,00
a courtesy to them so they knew that they
weren't on the hooks right. That's why

3026
04:20:07,01 --> 04:20:09,02
caustic. Building on that

3027
04:20:09,03 --> 04:20:12,64
a little bit I just wanted to ask I'm not
sure if this is something that would be

3028
04:20:12,65 --> 04:20:15,83
in the development agreement or not or if
it's something that we need to write into

3029
04:20:15,84 --> 04:20:21,22
the resolution or both but it seems to
me that we should include some language

3030
04:20:21,23 --> 04:20:28,06
regarding. The continuation of a lease
agreement with the co-op after N.B.C.

3031
04:20:28,07 --> 04:20:34,55
Takes over the property but before any
build is done so that they are. Continuing

3032
04:20:34,56 --> 04:20:39,71
to work with the co-op during that time
to provide. Access for deliveries and

3033
04:20:39,91 --> 04:20:42,11
parking and other things
well it's just sitting as

3034
04:20:42,12 --> 04:20:48,35
a parking lot before something happens.
Some of the get to the information some of

3035
04:20:48,36 --> 04:20:52,34
it's in there some of it
really probably ends up being

3036
04:20:52,35 --> 04:20:56,69
a discussion about mediation about how
much paid for for that because it's some

3037
04:20:56,70 --> 04:21:03,11
point the city's going to start getting
money out of this and. So there's there's

3038
04:21:03,12 --> 04:21:06,89
a financial element to it that I don't
know the answer to maybe it is maybe

3039
04:21:06,90 --> 04:21:12,86
a negotiating point OK. Any other

3040
04:21:13,65 --> 04:21:20,52
questions or. So Miss Wallace is
sitting in the back and has been

3041
04:21:20,53 --> 04:21:24,08
here and I did not see her and she had

3042
04:21:24,09 --> 04:21:28,79
a public comments as well as I know it's
eleven twenty three of us here on night

3043
04:21:29,31 --> 04:21:33,22
and I got your e-mail while I was sitting
here and I do apologize that when I asked

3044
04:21:33,23 --> 04:21:37,06
for other public comments I did not see
you but since we are all here and you are

3045
04:21:37,07 --> 04:21:43,93
still here would you like
your three men. Now where

3046
04:21:44,21 --> 04:21:48,49
you are well we receive. From

3047
04:21:48,50 --> 04:21:55,35
a single an editor at our. Seats Jason
that would be handsome and. I said eleven

3048
04:21:55,36 --> 04:22:02,29
fifty so. All right so for

3049
04:22:02,30 --> 04:22:09,19
something completely different. So sorry
for some of you know me I wanted to

3050
04:22:09,20 --> 04:22:13,06
introduce myself to the new members I'm
Elizabeth Wallace seventy five sixteen

3051
04:22:13,07 --> 04:22:17,34
Holly Ward one. Come here
tonight wearing two hats one is

3052
04:22:17,35 --> 04:22:20,66
a member of Montgomery County chapter of
A.C.L.U. And another is an Air B.N. B.

3053
04:22:20,67 --> 04:22:27,19
Super host so two issues we're about one
hundred. Every reason to come and work I

3054
04:22:27,20 --> 04:22:33,59
want to bring your attention one is Maryland
House bill ten sixteen and the other

3055
04:22:33,60 --> 04:22:39,84
is short term rental regulations first in
the House bill in May of twenty sixteen

3056
04:22:39,85 --> 04:22:44,04
this Maryland state legislator passed
have passed it there was a vote by

3057
04:22:44,05 --> 04:22:48,24
a chief of all to present this information
to the police advisory committee the

3058
04:22:48,25 --> 04:22:52,87
bill authorizes police chiefs to appoint
non-voting member one member of the public

3059
04:22:52,88 --> 04:22:55,91
who has received training by Maryland
police training and standards commission on

3060
04:22:55,92 --> 04:23:00,11
the law enforcement officers bill of rights
and also on matters related to police

3061
04:23:00,12 --> 04:23:01,41
procedures perhaps

3062
04:23:01,45 --> 04:23:06,10
a civilian police academy training it also
says that of authorized by local law or

3063
04:23:06,11 --> 04:23:10,19
collectively bargained the hearing board
may include up to two voting or non-voting

3064
04:23:10,20 --> 04:23:13,91
members of the public in which case the
council would be involved in that decision

3065
04:23:14,89 --> 04:23:15,41
P.T.S.D.

3066
04:23:15,42 --> 04:23:21,07
Is not finalized it's L E O B R training.
But said it will do so when they receive

3067
04:23:21,08 --> 04:23:25,84
a question request for Deval can fill you
in on his strategy for affecting other

3068
04:23:25,85 --> 04:23:31,68
want to speak for him. In addition House
bill ten sixteen mandated the P.T.S.D.

3069
04:23:31,69 --> 04:23:32,27
To establish

3070
04:23:32,28 --> 04:23:36,86
a police complaint mediation program which
is done so with the help of community

3071
04:23:36,87 --> 04:23:41,60
made mediation of Maryland here in Tacoma
Park this process would allow nonviolent

3072
04:23:41,61 --> 04:23:42,39
complaints against

3073
04:23:42,40 --> 04:23:46,72
a police officer to be referred out of the
standard complaint process to voluntary

3074
04:23:46,73 --> 04:23:51,22
mediation which would which would be conducted
by an independent mediation service

3075
04:23:51,65 --> 04:23:55,17
Well I brought this also to chief of also
tension we haven't discussed in detail we

3076
04:23:55,18 --> 04:23:59,65
didn't have time I hope that the members
of the Comfort city council and the

3077
04:23:59,66 --> 04:24:06,05
community. Will support facilitation of
these progressive measures and much needed

3078
04:24:06,06 --> 04:24:10,49
ones regarding Air B.N. B.
Regulations for Air B.N. B.

3079
04:24:10,50 --> 04:24:14,20
To come apart from currently fall into the
category of an archipelago group homes

3080
04:24:14,81 --> 04:24:17,94
more expensive regulations have been passed
in McGovern County for what they call

3081
04:24:17,95 --> 04:24:22,87
short term rentals the same thing. About
it to county designing boards and the

3082
04:24:22,88 --> 04:24:24,56
county council I run an Air B.N. B.

3083
04:24:24,57 --> 04:24:28,25
For five years so I just want you know
I'm at your disposal as I was to Fred

3084
04:24:28,26 --> 04:24:29,71
Schultz the other day and also

3085
04:24:29,72 --> 04:24:33,90
a US this was Peter Cobar if you want to
talk about how to compartment want to

3086
04:24:33,91 --> 04:24:35,36
revisit our O.G.H.

3087
04:24:35,37 --> 04:24:39,50
Regulations to be more aligned with the
government county. It makes it possible for

3088
04:24:39,51 --> 04:24:44,21
people to visit this area affordably
use our restaurant and. To come apart

3089
04:24:44,22 --> 04:24:48,28
residents like myself can afford to
remain in their homes using the income as

3090
04:24:48,29 --> 04:24:52,99
a supplement thank you for your time thank
you thank you so much Elizabeth. And to

3091
04:24:53,03 --> 04:24:57,43
just note that cheap to the has mentioned
to me that the puzzles are very

3092
04:24:57,44 --> 04:25:03,36
interesting he's looking into them. I'm
alright with that we are joined Have

3093
04:25:03,37 --> 04:25:03,88
a good thing.

3094
04:25:28,33 --> 04:25:35,05
But once I've gone there soreness
rushes in to open the clenched

3095
04:25:35,09 --> 04:25:41,37
fist of insane logic that
we might see by Grace how

3096
04:25:41,38 --> 04:25:48,26
far from the black boxes of demons
seized American planes are the

3097
04:25:48,27 --> 04:25:54,84
flowing feet of pilgrims seven times
circling the cup. And the hearts in

3098
04:25:54,86 --> 04:26:01,58
hand all over the world that
bow and bowed each day and bow

3099
04:26:01,73 --> 04:26:06,93
and and bow to that still small of.

3100
04:26:17,70 --> 04:26:24,06
Freedom Song It can't be
repeated only rhymes it lives in

3101
04:26:24,07 --> 04:26:30,80
interesting times freedom you say you
want it here and now well that's

3102
04:26:30,81 --> 04:26:37,40
OK please tell me how that's
freedom freedom what do you know

3103
04:26:37,44 --> 04:26:44,06
about freedom where do you go without freedom
what were you told about freedom you

3104
04:26:44,07 --> 04:26:50,46
never been caught without freedom. Perhaps
it is not what you think it means

3105
04:26:51,04 --> 04:26:56,43
some say freedom is not free but
neither is it dumb you see freedom

3106
04:26:58,01 --> 04:27:03,30
free to choose free to guess free
to unscrew up your mess Freedom

3107
04:27:04,34 --> 04:27:10,11
Freedom Park freedom speech sir
can I have more of each freedom.

3108
04:27:11,24 --> 04:27:17,68
Yes Freedom What do you know about freedom
where do you go without freedom what

3109
04:27:17,69 --> 04:27:23,87
were you taught about freedom ever been
caught without freedom or apps it is not

3110
04:27:23,88 --> 04:27:30,62
what you have been told You get the
spark but not the fire remember that

3111
04:27:30,75 --> 04:27:37,10
if you desire freedom THANK YOU

3112
04:27:37,68 --> 04:27:41,87
THANK YOU THANK.

3113
04:27:48,16 --> 04:27:53,47
Snow. Softly. You come.

3114
04:27:57,71 --> 04:28:04,36
This news. Comes in small.
Then slowly the trees.

3115
04:28:16,61 --> 04:28:21,51
Fall. And I gather Gallup.

3116
04:28:24,70 --> 04:28:26,81
Poll. To.

3117
04:28:36,52 --> 04:28:42,96
Stop. Listening.