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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 29, 2018 11:11am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

I'm having trouble finding the copyright renewals for the episodes of The Jackie Gleason Show in the 1950s. I may be missing something fairly obvious.

Would someone please show me how to do it?

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jul 31, 2018 4:49am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

Sorry. No luck.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 31, 2018 7:04am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

Thanks for the answer.

The reason that I ask is that Jackie Gleason Enterprises is claiming that they hold copyrights on the episodes.

It seems to me that if there were no renewals, then there are no copyrights, and if there are no copyrights, then there is no copyright holder.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jul 31, 2018 7:17am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

Make sense to me.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 31, 2018 7:32am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

However, this type of higher-order meta-logic is probably beyond the mental capacity of Jackie Gleason Enterprises.

Of course, this doesn't surprise you or me or any of the veterans here. Someone would claim copyright on "War and Peace" if he thought he could make a buck that way.

What are actually involved here are the Honeymooners sketches or skits that are contained in these episodes. The ones that I uploaded have been taken down.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jul 31, 2018 7:50am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

I recall that Video-Cellar once posted a response letter to those that issue a questionable Cease and Desist order to the Archive. I used it two or three times, and the challenge worked for the first two. Unfortunately, that information vanished with many other older posts…

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 31, 2018 3:20pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

There are registrations like this:

The Honeymooners, the lost episodes : [episode ti.], Stars over Flatbush /... Relevance:
Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: PA0000324557 / 1987-04-30
Title: The Honeymooners, the lost episodes : [episode ti.], Stars over Flatbush / producer, Jack Hurdle ; director, Frank Satenstein.
Imprint: [S.l.] : J. Gleason, c1985.
Description: 1 videocassette : sd., b&w ; 3/4 in.
Copyright Claimant: Jackie Gleason
Date of Creation: 1955
Date of Publication: 1985-01-29
Authorship on Application: Jackie Gleason Enterprises, Inc., employer for hire.

Other Title: Stars over Flatbush
Names: Hurdle, Jack
Satenstein, Frank
Gleason, Jackie
Jackie Gleason Enterprises, Inc.


Note the date of creation: 1955.

I'm not sure this is a valid copyright. This Honeymooners "episode" is merely a portion of a Jackie Gleason Show that was broadcast in 1955. If the complete show is in the public domain, why wouldn't a portion of it be in the public domain?

The "lost" Honeymooners stories that I uploaded were from DVD, not tape. I removed the title screens at the beginnings and the added transitions between scenes. So I thought that what remained would be p.d.

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Jul 31, 2018 6:12pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Copyright renewals for The Jackie Gleason Show

The date is a dead giveaway. It all looks PD, though kudos for trying to meet them halfway.