Minutes

February 28, 1972 meeting in BICC office including: Messrs. Youchah ÉFraunheim
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from Personnel Data systema Messrs. Roland Steward, Dick Proctor, Tom Boykin
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æBend Jules Lozowick of BICC. (Joe Partenheimer from BICC part-time).

The meeting was called to clarify work BICC is doing for Personnel Data
Systems, Inc.

Jules Lozowick opened the discussion by asking Mike Youchah what the original
agreement was between Personnel Data Systems, Inc., (ADP-PDS) and BICC. Mike
replied by suggesting it might be good to review the relationship of the

organizations before we had this contract. He informed us that when Dave Ruff

was the Executive Director of BICC, Personnel Data Systems, Inc., had a contract
from BICC and this relationship in 1970 and the begimning of 1971 impressed
ADP-PDS sufficiently for them to think of BICC when Personnel Data Systems, Inc. ,

was looking for a contractor for their government project. Mike referred to a

May 28, 1971 letter, which states that his organization is being funded by the
office of Economie Opportunity to conduct a one year program in the placement
of individuals into jobs. Therefore, ADP-PDS KE ree to supply BICC with
$85,500 contingent on BICC's ability to secure supporting funding from other

sources. Joe Partenheimer interrupted Mike to remind him that BICC told ADP-PDS

that we could not get refunded and if our people were to remain on-roll and if
we were to do some work for ADP we would be working within the confines of monies

received from ADP. Mike continued by telling us that the final contract was

firmed-up in June 1971 for a program of handling 3,500 individuals requiring
jobs and who were to be matched through the ADP-PDS System. BICC had informed

ADP-PDS that in the previous year they had handled 1,347 applicants. Therefore,
ADP assumed that a goal of 1,200 people to be processed by BICC in a nine-month

period was realistic. Approximately 1,200 individuals were to be processed each

by a Model Cities program in Perth Amboy and a Vocational Rehabilitation Program

with the New Jersey State Employment Service in Hoboken. The agreement with BICC

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included the hiring of 34 people at an annual rate of $24,000 or a pro-rated
cost for nine months of $18,000 plus start up cost of $2,100 and an additional
burden cost to BICC of approximately $10,000 (this comes out to $30,000 while

I believe the figures presented by Mike showed an input to BICC of about $32,000+
why the difference?) ADP-PDS requested BICC to be part of this contract because
it felt being just across the river they could service the contract by helping
to train our staff as required or to meet with companies or agencies as BICC

requested.

Mr. Lozowick summarized what he said he thought he heard which was that the
original agreement was on a time basis, but that in December ADP wrote a letter
stating that they were now going to pay us on a performance basis. Mike answered

that he believed that the goal of 1,200 was a firm figure.

In later discussions, Mike informed us that if we got into the ball park figure
of 1,200 he would honor his commitment to us. It was pointed out by Mr. Steward
that ADP surprised BICC by coming into Newark and working with TEAM, by using the
Greater Newark Chamber of Commerce, and by setting up an office in the city.

Mike informed us that his working with TEAM was a direct result of the three
agencies working for him on this project all failing to meet their commitment.
His commitment of 3,500 was for an approximate 12 mile area from the city of
Newark. He needed to meet that commitment. “Suda pointed out to Mike thaw?
going to TEAM could inhibit our ability to attract people, as we were looking to
TEAM as iming one of our inputs. Mike agreed that if we could work it out with

TEAM we could add their numbers to ours.

The discussion revolved around many issues of operations and misunderstandings
between the organizations and we many issues were clarified and

hopefully there is greater trust between the organizations today, than before

the meeting. Mr. Lozowick informed Mike that we had begged and borrowed money
from other sources of incomes to BICC to keep the ADP Project running and that,
in fact, if we did not get monies from ADP-PDS, we would have to close down
We informed Mike that we needed a minimum of $5,000 before March 15

BICC.
We do not accept the proposition that we signed

to continue to operate.
a performance contract or we should be paid on a performance basis, but the

figures we presented to Mike showed that as of the end of January we had processed
approximately 600 applicants and by the end of February, we would have processed
over 700 applicants. If we pro-rated this performance over the $32,000 for

1,200 applicant Mike says he agreed to pay for, ADP would owe us close to $19,000
and having paid us $10,700 they would owe us $8,000 as of the end of February.
Mike stated that he needed some time to get his own figures in order and that he
would inform me by the end of this week the amount of monies that he could send

to us and the group agreed to meet again March 6, at 1:00 p.m., BICC offices.

J. He LOZOWICK

February 28, 1972 meeting in BICC office including: Messrs. Youchah F Fraunheim
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from Personnel Data Systemand Messrs. Roland Steward, Dick Proctor, Tom Boykin

weRSs—and Jules Lozowick of BICC. (Joe Partenheimer from BICC part-time).

The meeting was called to clarify work BICC is doing for Personnel Data

Systems, Inc.
Jules Lozowick opened the discussion by asking Mike Youchah what the original
agreement was between Personnel Data Systems, Inc. , (ADP-PDS) and BICC. Mike

replied by suggesting it might be good to review the relationship of the

organizations before we had this contract. He informed us that when Dave Ruff

was the Executive Director of BICC, Personnel Data Systems, Inc., had a contract
from BICC and this relationship in 1970 and the beginning of 1971 impressed
ADP-PDS sufficiently for them to think of BICC when Personnel Data Systems, Inc. ,
was looking for a contractor for their government project. Mike referred to a
May 28, 1971 letter, which states that his organization is being funded by the
office of Economic Opportunity to conduct a one year program in the placement
of individuals into jobs. Therefore, ADP-PDS es to supply BICC with
$85,500 contingent on BICC's ability to secure supporting funding from other
sources. Joe Partenheimer interrupted Mike to remind him that BICC told ADP-PDS
that we could not get refunded and if our people were to remain on-roll and if
we were to do some work for ADP we would be workibg within the confines of monies

received from“ADP. Mike continued by telling us that the final contract was
firmed-up in June 1971 for a program of handling 3,500 individuals requiring
jobs and who were to be matched through the ADP-PDS System. BICC had informed
ADP-PDS that in the previous year they had handled 1,347 applicants. Therefore,
ADP assumed that a goal of 1,200 frie to be processed by BICC in a nine-month

period was realistic. Approximately 1,200 individuals were to be processed each
by a Model Cities program in Perth Amboy and a Vocational Rehabilitation Program
with the New Jersey State Employment Service in Hoboken. The agreement with BICC

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included the hiring of 3} people at an annual rate of $24,000 or a pro-rated
cost for nine months of $18,000 plus start up cost of $2,100 and an additional
burden cost to BICC of approximately $10,000 (this comes out to $30,000 while

I believe the figures presented by Mike showed an input to BICC of about $32,000+
why the difference?) ADP-PDS requested BICC to be part of this contract because
it felt being just across the river they could service the contract by helping

to train our staff as required or to meet with companies or agencies as BICC
requested.

Mr. Lozowick summarized what he said he thought he heard which was that the

original agreement was on a time basis, but that in December ADP wrote a letter

stating that they were now going to pay us on a performance basis. Mike answered

that he believed that the goal of 1,200 was a firm figure.

In later discussions, Mike informed us that if we got into the ball park figure

of 1,200 he would honor his commitment to us. It was pointed out by Mr. Steward

that ADP surprised BICC by coming into Newark and working with TEAM, by using the
Greater Newark Chamber of Comerce, anti by setting up an office in the city.

Mike informed us that his working with TEAM was a direct result of the three
agencies working for him on this project all failing to meet their commitment

His commitment of 3,500 was for an approximate 12 mile area from the city of
Newark. He needed to meet that commitment. Bila pointed out to Mike tinea
going to TEAM could inhibit our ability to attract people, as we were looking to

TEAM as emg one of our inputs. Mike agreed.that if we could work it out with

TEAM we could add their numbers to ours.

The discussion revolved around many issues of operations and misunderstandings

between the organizations and we t many issues were clarified and

hopefully there is greater trust between the organizations today, than before

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the meeting. Mr. Lozowick informed Mike that we had begged and borrowed money

from other sources of incomes to BICC to keep the ADP Project running and that,

in fact, if we did not get monies from ADP-PDS, we would have to close down

BICC. We informed Mike that we needed a minimum of $5,000 before March 15

to continue to operate. We do not accept the proposition that we signed
a performance contract or we should be paid on a performance basis, but the
figures we presented to Mike showed that as of the end of January we had processed
approximately 600 applicants and by the end of February, we would have processed
over 700 applicants. If we pro-rated this performance over the $32,000 for

1,200 applicant Mike says he agreed to pay for, ADP would owe us close to $19,000
and having paid us $10,700 they would owe us $8,000 as of the end of February.
Mike stated that he needed some time to get his own figures in order and that he
would inform me by the end of this week the amount of monies that he could send

to us and the group agreed to meet again March 6, at 1:00 p.m., BICC offices.

J. He LOZOWICK