July 1 1951 to June 30 1952

MINUTES OF ISTIislG OF THE COIMSSION OF FHIE ARTS

Held in Washington, D* G» November 29, 1951

The fourth meeting of the Commission of Fine Arts, during the fiscal

year 1952, was held in its Office in the Interior Department Building on

Thursday, November 29, 1951* '■ The : foil Giving members v/ere present:

Mr* Finley, Chaiimxan,

Mr, Neild,

Prof, Hudnut,

Prof, Belluschi,

Mr. Peets,

Mr, deWeldon,

also Ho P. Caemmerer^ Secretary

and Administrative Officer o

The meeting vras called to order at 9^30 aom,

1, APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF PRECEDING MEETM'JG: The draft of a letter,
which the Chairman read, contained in the Minutes of the meeting of the
Commission held on October 25, 1951, addressed to the Committee of Consulting
Architects, in appreciation of their year’s service, was approved.

The Secretary stated that it is necessary to send to the members a
new mimeograph copy of Exhibit E pertaining to the discussion on the design
for the Soldiers Home Hospital building, since the architect had made some
changes in his statements.

Subject to these items, the CoimmLssion approved the Minutes,

2o (SORCS CARVER AND BOOKER T. Vf/iSHBiCViON MEMORlkL GOMt Mr. de?feldon
reported that, since the meeting of the Commission on October 25th, models
made by Isaac Hathavfay, sculptor, of Montgomery, Alabama, for the obverse
and reverse of the coin had been submitted to him and that he had approved
them, (Exilibit A) Mr, deWeldon said the design criticized at the October
meeting had been corrected. The Commission ratified the action taken®

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liTo deWeldon said also that instead of using an American Legion Insig-
nia for the reverse, a map of the United States was shown»

3o RSZONBIG SOUTH SID3 OF M STREET, CEORCSTOIVN: MTo Peets reported
that a Hearing was held on rezoning the south side of M Street, Georgetown,
on November 1, 1951* Peets also drafted a special letter, which was

sento Exhibit B). He said:

v cThis morning’s papers say that the rezoning ¥/as denied. This
is not surprising becaixae the opposition was strong, and we were not
well organized, Mr. Clouser told me two weeks ago that the Zoning
Commissioners ’looked for something to hang it on but couldn’t find it,*

At the hearing a large group of opponents was present. Their attorney
argued that the change would be a hardship and vrould reduce property
values. The Capital Transit, the largest omer, spoke against the
change. A representative of the Higgs Bank stated that the rezoning
would reduce values and affect unfavorably the bank’s loans on property
in the snea. It was stated that certain business men’s organizations
opposed the change.

The proponents were not well organized. Personally, I have avoided
the zoning aspect of city planning and had never attended a public hear-
ing on zoning in Washington, lir. Nolen was very busy with other zoning
matters and was not able to be present at our hearing. The National
Capital Park and Planning Commission had considered the proposal and
voted in favor of a study of the situation.

At the Board of Zoning Adjustment, prior to the public hearing,
lor. Nolen made a report. This was a minority report, because the other
members of the Board voted to advise the Zoning Commission against the
change, Mr, Nolen asked for delay and a careful study — in contrast to
our letter to the Zoning Commission, which had urged immediate action,

I had no Imowledge of Mr. Nolen’s minority report until it was read by
their secretary at the hearing.

The substance of my argument before the Commission is contained in
a letter from our Chairman to the Zoning Commission, dated August 17,
1951 * In the discussion which follovred the presentation of the opposi-
tion vfitnesses, I refrained from going into the question of land values
and reduced tax returns, since these matters are outside our scope,

I'irs. Harold Hinton spoke in favor of the change as a representative
of the two Georgetown Citizens Associations,

I believe that the Commission's negative decision was based, first,
on the tax aspect, to which the District Counroissioners naturally give
great importance; and second, to the belief that the things we Yfish to
do, under the Old Georgetown, lavf, could be accomplished sufficiently vjell
under the present zoning.

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It should be recognized that the denial of our request may have
the compensating effect of avoidijig an increase of organized opposi-
tion to the Old Gcorgetovv>n Law, It is probable that if in the future
this Commission should have reason to favor a zoning change, it would
be vfise to leave the initiation of such a movement to local citizens*
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The Zoning Commission confirmed the action taken® (Exhibit B— 1)
4 AHl/ISTRONG TECmJICxiL HIGH SCHOOL: Merrel A. Coe, liunicipal

Architect, submitted a revised design for the Armstrong Technical High
School, to be built on the Brentwood Parkway in Northeast Washington*

The Commission inspected the design® There v/as some discussion re-
garding the height of the doors for the building, and the suggestion was
made that they should be of uniform height, Mr, Coe said,-’*I wish to
simplify the design. As to the omission of bands objected to in the
original design, I have an idea we can do this in a grajr brick® I found
out that I may have convinced somebody that Vtre don’t have to use Occoquan
(red) brick all the time on a job of this type® VJe are designing it now
for gray brick, I am using a very flat sill® The triiu will be granite
if raa.de available ,**

As to a question raised by Mr. Coe as to whether or not to make the

steps in the areaways the same material as the trim around the door, Prof®

Belluschi said, **I thirlc it Yrould be better if you kept it the same as the
building, ■’

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Prof, Hudnut said, ”You get a different scale when you change the height
of the doorway,” Mr, Coe pointed out that while two of the doorvrays are

at the same level the third one is not; ”by the grade dropping dovm, we

need steps inside®” Prof® Belluschi remarked, ”I think it is rather imr-
portant that the top of the doors be kept at the sarae level®” Mr, Peets
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other tYro, l&To Coe replied that this is due to the fact that at the October
meeting of the Commission it was suggested that the entrance be made v/ider
because the lobby was made wider. Prof. Kudnut remarked that this door
makes the auditorium out of scale Y/ith the building*

After som.e fixrther discussion^ the Commission approved the design*
(Exhibit C)

5. HSSTCRBJG PCRTRillTS IN THE UESPARHIENTS OF THE GOVERmiSNT: The
Secretary reported that, in accordance with the Chairman’s request, and
in company Yfith Mr<, deWeldon, he had brought correspondence from Mr*

Harold F* Cross, Conservator and Restorer of Paintings, 1820 Jefferson
Place, N. W* of this city, on the subject to the attention of the Honor-
able Jess Larson, Administrator of General Services (Exhibit D) and also
talked Yrith Mr. A. S. Snyder, Assistant to the Adijiinistrator, about the
project. It has been. thought that General Services Administration diould
have charge of the project and administer such funds as Congress might
make available for it. The Governm.ent has about 1500 portraits of fomer
Secretaries, etc., and paintings generally displayed on the walls in
Government buildings, including the U. S. Supreme Court, and the Capitol*

It has been suggested that at least $25,000 be made available the first
year*

ilr. Larson was invited to have luncheon with the Commission and dis-
cuss the subject during the afternoon, but he sent word that circumstanoes
prevented hiiri from being present at this m.eeting of the Commission* How-
ever, indications are that he Yjill attend the next meeting. (Exhibit D-1)

6* SOILIERS H(MS HOSPITAL: Colonel Alan J. McCutchen, Coips of iiigine-
ersand District Engineer, submitted a revised design for the proposed ad-
dition to the Soldiers Home Hospital,

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Inffin Porter, member of the firm of Porter and Sons, architects of
this city, explained the drawings A sam-ple of the material (cast stone by
the Earley Process) was inspected.

The Commission felt there was an improvement in the design, but offered
suggestions that would still further improve it, Mr. Neild suggested strong-
ly that the architects try to push the central part of the building back.

In order to expedite the project, the Commission suggested that lir. Porter
send several sets of revised sketches to the Commission for consideration
prior to the next meeting of the Commission, A copy of the discussion is
attached hereto and made a part of these liinutes, (Exiiibit E)

7* JIMA MEMORIAL: On the way to the Arlington National Cemetery,

the Commission inspected a suggested location for the Iwo Jima Memorial, at
the north end of Columbia Island® The memorial was designed by Mr* deWeldon,
and there is authority from. Congress to erect the memorial in the District
of Columbia. Mr. Neild is designing the pedestal for the monument®

The Secretary/ reported on the erection of a similar monument, also de-
signed by Mr, deWeldon but smaller in scale than this monument, which is to
be in bronze. The former is located at the Marine Headquarters Base at
Quantico, Virginia, and was dedicated on November 10, 1951> the 176th anni-
versary of the founding of the Marine Corps.

Mr® Peets said that such a large monument on Columbia Island vjould
require considerable grading and landscape treatment. He therefore wished
to give the matter study* Mr. FirlLey thought a site in the Arlington
National Cemetery might be more suitable, but the question was raised as to
whether or not it would require an amendment to the Act of Congress to place
it there® It was suggested that possibly stiH other sites in the District

of Columbia might be available for the memorial.

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CEtSTERY; The Commission inspected a full-sized photographic enlargement of
the model by A. A. Weinman, sculptor, for a statue to be placed in the large
niche of the exedra of the Great Entrance to the Arlington National Gemeteryo
The model had been approved by the Commission of Fine Arts in 1935* The stat-
ue is to be about 18 feet high and the pedestal about 6 feet. A preliminary
design of the pedestal had been made by the architects of the Arlington Memo-
rial Bridge, McKim, Mead and I^ite, of New York City. Mr. James Kellum StaLth,
representing the firm, was present.

The Commission decided that the pedestal should be simplified, and that
the panels, medallions and coffers of the niche should be removed. Also at-
tention should be given to landscape and planting features in front of the niche.

The Commission recommended that the statue be given a green patina, us-
ing an undercoat of gold leaf treated with copper sulphate, so that it will
not shine.

Before giving final approval, the Commission requested a revised design
of the pedestal, a sample of granite for the pedestal, which should be rather
dark, a scheme for treatment of the niche, as well as a landscape plan for the
treatment cf the area adjacent to the exedra, and a planting plan* (Exliibit F)

9* FREER GAIIERY OF ART: The Commission inspected objects of art pro-
posed for purchase by Director Wenley and approved them. (Exhibit G)

10* BILLS PERTAINII'JG TO THE COMMISSION OF FINS ARTS: The Commission
gave further consideration to the list of bills mentioned at the meeting of the
Commission on October 25th, as affectiag the Commission of Fine Arts*

The Commission decided that since a report is being formulated to be
sent to the President cf the United States, the Commission would prefer to make

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So J. Reso 105* (Exhibit H)

llo GOl/ERIl'IENT AM) ART: During the afternoon the Commission considered
the four volumes of testimony covering Hearings on the subject held during the
past eight months, and a preliminary outline (Exhibit I) prepared by Professor
Hudnut to help in preparing the Report to the President. Members of the Com-
mission were assigned special subjects. Mr> Neild said he desired to give
special attention to Latin American Art. The Secretary was assigned Part III
A & B, pertaining to the City of Washington, the L’Enfant Plan: and the Com-
mission of Fine Arts— its history and activities.

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be secured who could condense the testimony cf the four volumes above mentioned,
or amplify it where necessary, so as to relieve the members of the Commission
of much work. The members were contacted by telephone, and they agreed to
Chairman Finley* s suggestion. It was decided to allocate f 500. for this work,
and Ik*. Finley ms authorized to secure the services of a competent person accordingly)

12. miT MSSTIHG OF TIE CaMSSION OF FDiS ARTS: The Commission decided
to hold their next meeting in Washington on Thursday, January 10, 1952 and pos-
sibly also on Friday, January Hth.

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am COMISSION of fine arts

Interior Department Building
Washington Do Co

November 15 , 1951

Dear Mr. Phillips:

In behalf of the Commission of Fine Arts, I approve the
models v;hich you have submitted of a revised design for the
obverse and reverse of the proposed George Washington Carver
and Booker To Y/ashington Commemorative half dollar*

For the Commission of Fine Arts:

Sincerely yours,

s/ Felix W. deWeldon,
t/ FfiLE VJ. d^'EIDON,

Sculptor Member of the Commissiono

HTo S. J. Phillips, President,

Booker T. Washington Birthplace Memorial,
Booker T. Washington Birthplace, Virginia*

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November 21, 1951

The Zoning Gonmission,

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PJashington D. G*

Dear Sirs:

The follovdng is a statement of this Commission's reasons for propos-
ing to the Zoning Gonmiission that the zoning of a strip of land along the
south side of M Street in Georgetoirn be changed from First Coramercial to
Second Commercial.

The disparitv between the zoning of the north and south sides of
M Street was brought to otir attention hj the group of architects who as. ist
us in cases arising under the "Old Georgetown Lav/." That law requires the
Commission of Fine Arts, when ax^plications are roade to the district offi-
cials for permits to demolish, remodel, or build structures in the si:)eci-
fied area, to advise the Commissioners of the District concerning the ef-
fect of the proposed work on the protection and preservation of the historic
values of Old Georgetown.

In view of the wording used in the, law and of the generally accepted
practice of experts in the preservation of buildings and tovais, we believe
that the desire of Congress is to create a harmonious setting for the old

buildings of the area — not merely to presei’ve them individually. ;\e
therefore take a coamiunity visYj- of each case; we try to secure the preser-
vation of groups of buildings and to save buildings of secondary value

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when they form an appropriate setting for more important old structures.

At the sair® time we are anxious to see Georgetovm continue to be busy,
prosperous, and alive.

Taking this approach and believing that it is our duty to maintain
a broad and long view of the objectives defined by Congress, vfe have
shared the concern of all Georgetown residents as to the condition of
M Street.

In recent years M Street has declined in activity and appearance,
yvhat makes this especially deplorable is that M Street is a portal street
to Georgetown; many people gain their impression of the town from this
street alone. Further, it is historically the central and most important
shopping street of the area and still contains many buildings of archi-
tectural and historical interest.

In spite of the street’s present condition many residents of Georgetovnri
see signs of improvement and have confident hopes for the future. Several
excellent stores seem well established, and a number of rehabilitations —
even on the south side of the street — ^liave taken place in recent months.

The principal basis for optiirdsm, hoY/ever, is the great and continuing
groiTbh in the purchasing po^^r of the people of Georgetown. This has not
yet been expressed in the shopping habits of the neighborhood, perhaps for
the reason that the coimaercial facilities have not become adjusted to the
character of this potential business, if*© are told by city planners that
such an adjustiaent would be encouraged by — and might even be dependent
upon — the proposed change in zoning.

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have M Street become again a healthy and attractive street, playing the
role it played in old-time G^orgeto?m, Second, we should like to see the
old buildings put to uses that mil facilitate their preservation*

The first of these motives, though not specifically xrithin the scope
of the law, is important to the full realisation of its intent. A sti'set
which at night is lined rdth bright shoi,*Jwindows and full of activity on one
side, while the opposite sidevralk is little used and the windows are most-
ly dark, is a street which is only half alive*

The second motive ir^ntioned above relates directly to our legal re-
sponsibility* It is true, of course, that second commercial areas are
covered, just as much as first commercial, by the Old Georgetovm law, If
rezoning is denied, the Coiinaissioners of the District, vd.th the advice of
the Cofisrdssion of Fine Arts, win continue to act under the laiv, effecting
the preservation of old buildings and the appropriate design of new ones
to the extent possible in each individual case, let it must be recognized
that the occupations characteristic of the second coimiiercial distidct are
not Y/ell adapted to the application of this procedure* In the second com-
mercial classification one finds heavy constructioxi, unusual story-heights,
and large yards for i^^ork and storage* Tliese conditions inevitably conflict —
much more than retail coirin^rce does — ^I'.dth the older existing structures. In
the present case, since most of the old buildin^iS on the south side of
M Street were designed for retail and residential use, a change to first
commercial would definitely facilitate the preservation or acceptable re-
modeling of the oM structures and the harmonious design of nevY ones*

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before the Zoning Commission a statement of the losses — in property values
and other forms — ^wiiich they anticipate ^d.11 be caused by the change. It is,
of course, the function of the Zoning Gomrnission to deteriidne whether these
sacrifices are reasonable or unreasonable. We vrould not, however, have sug-
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the la?/, though it may cause hardships in some cases, win ultimately be of
great benefit to the people of Georgetown,

Sincerely yours

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Zoning Commission

E. D. 263S24 December 5^ 1951

CASE #15

David E, Finley, Chairman
Commission of Fine Arts
Interior Department Building
V/ashington D. C*

My dear Mr. Finley:

The Zoning Commission in executive session on November
28, 1951> after public hearing held on Noveraber 1, 1951 snd
inspection of the property by members of the Commission,
denied a proposal to change from Second Commercial, 60’ ”D”

Area to First Commercial, 60* ”D” Area all property so zoned
in squares II96, 1197^ 119S, 1199 ^ 1200, 1186, and 1184^ having
frontage on the south side of M Street between 29th and 34th
Streets, N, 7/., as shoi'm by plat on file in the Office of the
Zoning Commission.

In taking this action the Commission adopted the report
of the majority of the Zoning Mvisory Council, but did not
concur fully with its recommendations, being of the opinion
that the proposed change v/as um/arranted at this time. A
copy of the majority Zoning Advisory Council’s report is enclosed
for your information.

Sincerely yours.

S/ H. G. Ashton
t/ H. G. ASHTOK,
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REPORT OF THE ZONH^G ADVISORY COUl^CIL

CASE #15 OCTOBER 31, 1951 HSARBIG

Proposal to change from Second Commercial, 60* '*D'‘ Area to First Commercial^
60* “D** Area all property so zoned in squares 1196, 1197, 119S, 1199, 1200, 1186,
and 1184, having street frontage on the south side of M Street betv;een 29th and
34th Streets, H.V/., as sho^vn by plat on file in the Of f ice of the Zoning Commission o

This proposal results from a request of the Commission of Fine Arts that the
Second Commercial portion of the frontage on the south side of M Street be studied
and changed to a First Commercial classification. The request has been activated
by what is termed by the Commission difficulties in the adoption of a long range
architectural plan for the renovation and restoration of M Street westward from
28th Street. The Commission states that these difficulties are caused by the dif-
ference in the zoning classification along the north side of M Street which is
First Commercial*

The staff of the Zoning Commission completed its survey on September 21st
finding facts as foU-OVfs:

The total frontage involved from 29th to 34th Streets is 2,365 linear feet
abutting M Street. Of this frontage all but 140 feet or 6 % is used for comnercial
purposes. This 6 % includes 7 dwellings and one unimproved lot. All of the dv;ell-
ings are old and in rundovm condition. 5^5 feet or 24^ of the frontage is used or
designed for Second Commercial purposes or for quasi-Second Cormrercial use. There
were no vacancies in this category at the time of survey. The remaining frontage
constituting 1660 feet or 70^ of the total is designed or used for First Commercial
purposes. 10^ of it, aggregating a total of 7 buildings, v^ere unoccupied at the
time of survey.

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vacancies were noted and several buildings are used for residential purposes. With
the exception of one renovated building for residential use at the corner of 35th
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of coinmercial buildings for residential use nor any evidence of razing for such
purpose .

The use of M Street property in this area has in modern times been subjected
to at least two vddely separated stages of shopping habit o Beginning from the pre
zoning era and continuing to approximately 1935 Georgetown and particularly M Street
but also including a portion of lower V/i scons in Avenue wras the most convenient
shopping center for nearby residents of Montgomery and Arlington Counties. During
this period all types of local and service business tbj:*ived, store space vfas at a
premium and there was no problem of over-commercialization. Following the conmercial
development of the two coujity areas there Y/as a noticeable decrease in transient
business for the Georgetown area. As these outlying shopping centers became more
and more self-contained and automobile o^wiership more nimierous, transient shopping
habits in the Georgetovm area finally reached the point where business had become
dependent upon only a very limited number of persons residing outside the area. A
considerable number of transfers in tenancy resulted, and more numerous vacancies
vrere created with a resulting decrease in property values and taxable income.

The completion of the Ilihitehurst Freeway several years ago marked the beginning
of what is now apparently a third trend. With the loss of much through westbound
traffic along M Street the merchants have become dependant almost entirely upon the
business of local and neighborhood shoppers. This has been particularly true with
respect to the south side of the Street within the area here under consideration,
and now poses a serious problem as to what, in the public interest, is the best
zoning solution. From the history and the facts outlined the Council draws these
conclusions:

1. The property on both sides of the street is currently used or developed
at least 95^ for commercial purposes.

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3. There is apparently already an over-supply of First Commercial zoning
along M Street, as there are First Commercial use vacancies in both existing
First Cominercial area and' in the Second Commercial area.

4. There are no Second Commercial vacancies in the M Street area as zoned.

5. Due to the greater nuraberof uses permitted in the Second Commercial District,
there is more possibility that some may become objectionable and affect property
values adversely if not properly controlled. Except for one use, the junk yard , none
of these permitted uses are objectionable per se.

6. Approval of the change here proposed v.dll result in availability for a
lesser number of commercial uses and will tend tovj'ard a reduction in property
values with a resulting decrease in District revenues.

7. The plan suggested by the Fine Arts Commission is fullj?* comprehensive.
However, the existing plan on the basis of transition treatment approaching a
vmterfront industrial area is equally comprehensive.

The facts available to the Council at this time appear insufficient to
justify the rezoning requested. The Council accordingly recommends denial without
prejudice and a reconsideration of the case should the Fine Arts GorarrJ.ssion, the
National Capital park and Planning Commission, Citizen's groups or others be able
to submit additional factual data not now available to the Council.

The Council also recommends that the Commission, as soon as feasible and
practicable, initiate proceedings to prohibit the establishment of junk yards in
the Second Commercial area. (S. D. 263S24)*

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(S) JOHN NCIEN, JR. (dissenting)

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THS COMllISSION OF FINS ARTS
Interior Depto - Y/ashington D, C.

Noverober 30, 1951

Dear I-Ir» Coet

The Commission of Fine Arts, at their meeting on
November 29, 1951^ approved the revised design which you
submitted for the proposed Armstrong Senior Technical
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For the Commission of Fine Arts;

Sincerely yours,

S/ David S. Finley
t/ DAVID S. FINLEY,

Chairman •

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Municipal Architect,
Government of the
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THE CdiMISSION OF FH® ARTS
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November 15, 1951

Dear Mr. Larson:

Honorable David E. Finley, Chairman of the Commission of Fine Arts,
has asked me to bring to your attention the attached letter, dated
October 16, 1951, from Mr. Harold F. Cross, Conservator and Restorer of
Paintings, 1820 Jefferson Place, N. W. , vfashington D. C., concerning a
project in which the Commission of Fine Arts is much interested, namely
the appointment by the Government of a professional restorer of paintings.

As is indicated in the accompanying ezpilanatory data, furnished by
Mr. Cross as a result of a preliminary survey, there are fully 1500 paint-
ings owned by the Executive, legislative, and Judicial departments of the
Government. Many of these paintings are the work of distinguished artists
of this country and date back more than 100 years 5 yet once being placed
on the walls of a room, they receive little or no attention after that.
Consequently, some of the paintings are in a bad state of disrepair and
should have the attention of a restorer of paintings Y/ithout delay.

It is the practice of several departments of the Government to have a
painting of a Secretary executed promptly after leaving office. At the
Capital it is customary to secure a painting of the Vice President of the
United States and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Also, there
are secured, regularly, paintings of the Chief Justice of the United States
as well as Associate Justices. Then there are the paintings of Presidents

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of the United States and the Leading Ladies of the ?sliite House o Thus, the
number of paintings is increased from year to year<,

We thought that the Honorable David I^mn, Architect of the United
States Capitol, would like to have a **restorer of paintings^* become an ap-
pointee of his office; however, he informed the Commission of Fine Arts,
recently, that, since most of the paintings are in the custody of the Ex-
ecutive Department of the Government, including those in the i^ite House,
he would prefer to have such office established under the Executive Depart-
ment •

l-ir. Finley, therefore, suggests that there be established, under the
jurisdiction of the General Services Administration, an office to restore
paintings of the Government, Such office would have one or more assistants
and be provided with necessary office space, supplies, and equipment, and
an annual appropriation for the work.

Mr. Finley would be pleased to have your views in the ma.tter; and, if
the project commends itself to you, we would like to arrange for a confer-
ence with you at a meeting of the Commission of Fine Arts sometime in the
near future, to work out further details.

Sincerely yours

s/ H. P, Caemmerer
t/ H. P. CASaAERER

Secretary

Honorable Jess Larson, Administrator
General Services Administration
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Washington D. C.

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VJashington 25, D. C.

Deceniber 3^ 1951

Honorable David E. Finley
Chairman

The Commission of Fine Arts
Washington 25, D. C.

Dear Mr. Finley;

I am interested in the proposal contained in Mr. Gaeimnerer*s
letter of November 15, 1951^ lor the establishment of a project to
restore paintings of the Government o

We are considering the possibliities of such a project as
a function of General Services Administration in the management of
buildings and whether our limited funds could be spread sufficiently
to finance. a small operation of this character. As you probably
are aware, the amount appropriated for operating expenses this fis-
cal year is insufficient to support the qxiality of services rendered
the Federal establishment previously. Consequently, the level of
services had to be seriously curtailed.

If you will advise me when the Commission of Fine Arts will
consider this proposal, I ^Till attend if possible. If not, a repre-
sentative of General Services Administration will be present.

Sincerely yours.

Jess Larson
Administrator

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HE^/ISED DESIG-IT POH SOLDISES«, BOMS HOSPITAL

Bovem'ber 29, 1951

(The Conaiiission was joined hy G-eneral Haislip, Colonel McCutchen, Mr. Porter,
Sr., Mr. Porter, Jr., and Mr. Merrick.)

GHAIB-'iAIT PIHLSY: We v/ill he vei^" interested in seeing this revised design*
Would yon like to make a statement first, either of you?

COLOHHL McCUTCHEI^: IMLess the Commission would, the only statement that we
have is that we have attempted to revise our design in accordance with our sensing
of the Commission* s comments given at the last meeting and Mr, Porter is here to
do that for us this morning.

CiLAIIMAB PIKLEY: Then we vrill he veiy glad to hear from you, Mr. Porter.

ME, P0.PTER, SE: Unfortunately, I was not present at the last meetirjg because
the doctor put me to hed, I have read the minutes of the meeting and I appreciate
the comments and criticisms, I do not agree with all of them hut periiaios that is
my privilege. But v/e have attempted to take the scheme which is a rather diffi-
cult scheme, and help it in some v/ays and attempt to take that monumental character
oat of it. It is awfully hard, you will agree with me, I am sure, when you have
that center portion which is an atomic center. It is a hig mass of material. It
is avrfully ha,rd to make that look small. It is oveipowering to ^our entire design*
¥e have not made a finished drav/ing out of it because we felt the criticisms
of the Commission would perhaps help us along further.

This is the scheme that wa;s submitted in exaxt elevation, T put that up
there simply to compare it. We have tried several schemes there. We tried this
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It is a rather difficult problem because v/e have tremendous distances from
here to here made necessary by the evacimtion of patients on each floor into that
center corridor. We have to liave bed space in there for 42 people besides the
utilitie s and everything making it contain everything in there, should we have a
bombing. Everybody gets into here on eadi floor so as to be self-sufficient to
itself. In developing this probleai we took this portion out a.nd lightened it up.

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in a temporary v/ay, so we hiave a passage coming through here and doors on either
side, Wnere the Commission mentioned tv;o doors v/e I'iave listened this whole thing
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reason that it becomes practically necessary for people corning in this way and
passing through into the existing buildings.

I do not Icnow vjhether we have improved it or not and you gentlemen, perhaps, can
help me out,

KP.. IISILE: Mr, Porter, does your plan permit pushing that v/hole center back
as far as your corridor, longitudinal corridor which undoubtedly exists,

MR. POPTER: Unfortunately, no,

MR, In other words that v/ould permit the fenestration across the front

of the building unbroken anh would not cause this great conflict be Ween different
elements,

MR, POEiESR: The plan of that center core, there are doors that go out to each
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KH, ITSILD: Tha.t unit could not De pushed oack to the rear side, you mi^t say
of that corridor?

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MR. RSILD: To there.

MR, PORITIIR: Bring it hack to there?

MR. IISILD: _That is ri^^t. You do not mind my—would it he possible for this
entire unit to he pushed hack there*. To take it off the front and give this fenes-
tration*

MR, PORTSR: Have my homhproof . door at this point?

MR, ilRILD: The corridor vjould go straight throu<di. I thinlc it would he a

great simplification,

MR. PORTER; In other v^rords, as I see it, the corridor v^jould he there, Just
to sq’uare it up to come from these wings. It v/ould he here and to carry into the
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MR. iHILD: Yes.. Is that possible?

MR. PORTER; I V 70 uld like to stud^^ tha,t in plan before I answer that question,
MR. IRjILI); To simplify your design problem.

MR. PORTER; Just thinking out loud it might he a ha,rdship because practically
all of the utilities are in the core — these mngs iiave been shortened up to the
smallest distance we can to g;et the patients into this portion, ¥e put all of our
utilities in the center core for the reason that if v;e had a bombing attack we
would have all the utilities, the ernmining rooms, kitchens and everything carried,
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MR, 3ZLLUSCHI: Actually, it v/ould be shorter v;ould it not, Mr. Porter, because
you have the same total area of exposed rooms. Therefore, your Vvdngs will be
shorter and your accessibility v/ill be shortened by the ver^^ fact that —

MR. P0RT3R: 3y putting rooms out here?

MR. SSLLUSCtll; That is ri^t.

MR, PORrSR: An;^’’ reason why those rooms could not go in that atomic energy?-
tuilding tha.t you now have?

Pranlily, this atomic engineering is a little over my head*

MR, 3TILLUSCHI: The central core would be further protected by the buffer area
in front, . ' •

MR, PORTIR; It is interesting in talking to the engineers. Sometimes they
will not let me put a brick in it this way because of this or that. They have so
manj^ millions of pounds of pressure coming against it, it is wa^^- over my head,
fraiilfLy, I would be very happy to try that, carrying that corridor through there,
make some other sketches,

MR. R3ILD: Perhaps other members of the Commission would not agree with that,
it is ordy my su^estion,

MR. HLTMJT: I agree with it too, if it is fea.sible scheme. I think it would
te ver^.^ much better to get rid of that concrete,

MR. POSTSR; It wa.s an a\'«ully tough one. It still is a tough one,

MR, HUDMJT: I thirli it is immensely better, a very great improvement,

MR, SHjLUSCHI: I agree with Mr, Neild*

CHAIRMAN PIPL3Y: Mr, de Weldon?

MiR, de mDOR: I agree.

aiAIHiAIT PIMLHY: Mr. Peets.

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ME. PZlErS: I agree with it, hut I understand, we all understand very v/ell,
that we have asked you for a very quick reaction and v/e take a tolerant view, let
as say, of the product of the study.

CFAlWiAll PIKLSY: Yes, I thin].?: we all feel you have made great progress in
this revised sketch,

14E. POFJIER: I have tried awfully hard and really in the years I have been an
architect, which has "been quite a number of years, it is the toughest problem _I
have ever had. There are a lot of elements that come into the problem that are
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consider the conditions out there at the Plome, the old soldiers and things of that
sort. Certain requirements of General McDonald out there who is in charge of the
medical end of the Home. Those things all fit thsnselves together. Sometimes it is
the smallest sort of element involved that changes our plan completely around.

But I v/ould be very, very hapioy because as you knov/ and I think we v/ill agree
that if it turns out well the owners are going to take the credit for it, the
architects get the blame.

MH, CAH-MERER: Do you have some comment on the material, Mr. Porter?

MR. PORTER: I gather from the minutes of the last meeting that the Commission
did not quite understand v/hat I was driving at with this mosaic work. This face
can matcii limestone. It is put together and becomes actually an integral part of
the concrete wall. It is tied back throu^ the \dialers. This is used as a front
fomo You are saving one of the forms. Then the form is taioen down, (the rear
fom) and the whalers are taioen down. These ties are stocked by different manufac-
turers. This pulls out leaving this vdiole part in the structural concrete and
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wall. Ihese ties are spaced on two feet centers, here and here and can he carried
closer than that, ¥e have always thoii^t that two feet was enou^ for it.

It does save yoa an outside fom heca.use this mosaic acts as the form. And you
eliminate one of those foims and you come hade to your interior forms here*

That is a piece of ordinary Indiana limestone whidi can he carried into any
numher of colors.

MR. 3ILLUSCHI: Did ^^-oa intend to have furring space inside?

MR. PORTER: Ec, this would come ri^-t agadnst your structure.

MR. 3PLLUSCHI: Inside you would have metal lath and plaster?

MR. PORTER: Prohahly furring on the inside.

It is an interesting material, we have used quite a little of it,

MR. REILD: Mr, Porter, vjhat size blocks do you anticipate using?

MR, PORTER: Those ^ can go up to ten feet,

MPu, IRILLD: VJhat liaye you in mind on this?

MR. PORTER: On any one of these — I load in mind that you perhaps would come
from a point there and carry through 1, 2, 3, 4, — about four stones carrying a^roimd
ten feet,

hIR. EEILD: Ten feet, more or less,

used

MR, PORTER: We it in the Scottish Rite Temple on 16th Street, That
panel up there is about nine feet wdde and I thinlo it is around l4 feet tall, done
in mosaic,

MR. REILD: Will these joints he di^^ construction joints?

MR. PORTER: Same of the joints vail he just marked joints in the mosaic work,

MR. EEILD; You will have expansion joints through the building, will you not,
because of the size?

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ME, POEiDSEl: That is correct,

MPu, BELLUSGHI; IsnH there a tendency to collect a lot of dirt, all that
rouyh surface?

ME. POBTIIR: Yes, you do get that and I thinli perhaps you would find tiiat you
wo’uLd have a grea.t deal more dirt collecting on it thaxi the limestone except for
this one thing, the limestone we find around the city here takes the dirt, and holds
it in itself, stains, wiiere this mosaic work or this concrete work .after a hard
raik vjill clean- itself,

ME, IISIID: I thirfa that material can be made more impervious than limestone,
probably,

ME, EOEITIR: Yes. Some 2/ears ago. I tested that out. I made a basin about as

large as that taiole and fill^ it full of water about that hi^.i, just a basin, and
covere(?- it v/ith cement imder it. \Je left it out there for tv/o or three months. It
was a test that Aimiral Ben Morrell wois ver^^ much interested in because you put your_

hand under that and still get the pov/dered cement on your hands. And yet we kept
the basin filled with water and took care of filling it because of evaporation.

That stayed 'up there for about a year and the v/aker had not moved, h'e got nothing

in the way of lealca.ge through.

CHAIIMIAIT PlilLZY; I am just cunious. bliat is the price of this composition
stone as compared with Indiana limestone if one had a choice as to v/hat you wanted
to use,

ME. POSTER; As near as I can figure, this is worth, Indiana limestone — correct
rae, Mr, Merrick, if I am 'wrong — Indiana limestone in the wall is v:orth about $6.50
a c'uoic foot. This is V70rth som.ewhere in the neighborhood — on the Mosque we are
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liH, ?OPO?ER: Square foot.

MR. de How mudi limestone?

MR. BEEIjUSCHI: I think you would get if for 'fl* 55.

POEBER: Limestone we feel around here runs a little hit more than that.

Both ai*e about the same. It depends on the basic materials that you are using,
v.hether it ha^ ornaments or stuff of that sort or whether you have to have a model*
MR, ITSLlDi How ^^fould you arrange your limestone if you v:anted to use it on
this building?

MR. PORTER: We would have to go back to the structural concrete wall udth our
anchors, slot anchors, and vie v/ould have to fill out the concrete to the back of
that slot anchor which mi^t be an inch and a quarter or two inches and construct
our concrete structural wall, according to engineers, on this atomic energy stress
and v^rould increase roughly our viall by tvjo inches* iJhere this is used (cast stone)_
they feel it does not increase our wall at all and actually half of this cast stone
could be taken as part of your structural v/all. They shy away from it at the present
time but it has been found—

MR. 3ELLUSCHI: Was Indiana limestone su^ested, using a two inch thickness
vvith grout on badrc .sififs-? They iiave been doing it,

I^IR, PORTER: They have been doing it. On Government v;ork we are not bound by
nny of our District regulations. But the District requires us to keep to our four
inch limestone, and bond at least 15 or 20 per cent, 15 per cent of the fira area
of the face for any normal building not taking into account any atomic requirements*

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MU. BSLLUSCHI; You do not have the adhesion typei inch and a q^ua,rter terra
cotta veneer?

MR, PORTSR: We have in Washington, about what we claim is the poorest building
code in the country. It works toda;^^ and is changed tomorrov/ and next week you have
another change in the code.

iiR. POEESR, JE.; That can be d.one under the code with relieving shelves and
you are limited on the hei^t you can go vathout any relieving angle.

MB. BTILLUSCHI: But if you follow the suggestion that Mr, Neild made of setting
the central block baak, then there v;ould not be an;^^ objection from their point of
view of having limestone facing. ' .

MR, PORTER, That is your core back, but the only thing thad is in my

mind is that you are pushing the problem to the back. You still have the element
in bade of you,

MR, BELLES CEI: Is there any facing in the back?

MR, ITSILB: Would it be prominently exposed on the rear of die building,
street approach or anything of the sort. Could it be made strictly a concrete
structure?

MR, BELLUSCHI.: Since you are furring inside.

MR. PORTER, JR.'; I would not think personally, that you would adopt that
attitude, keeping in mind thal perhaps that point possibly in the future with what
is contemplated toward that east side of the reservation, the development that is
contemplated, I would think that you would want to give that back elevation just
the same attention,

ffi, MEILD: That is alv/ays better,

MR, POilTER: You eventually will get ITorth Capitol Street coming throu^i there
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ME. IISILD: At least it would pemit you to avoid confusion of tv;o materials on
your main front elevation.

ME. POESER: Very definitely, sir.

ME, iOJILD! This (cast stone) would he an advantage to you in design,

ME. POETSE; It is a material that I think has a lot of merit, I had a rather
interesting experience on the Mosque which we are doing up here..

ME, hSILP: Has that construction started?

MR. POHTER: The Mosque proper is about 50 per cent complete. We are just
teginning to get some of our coloidng there. Today one of the l^ptians will
approve something, tomorrow they will disapprove it, I am haz/ing my troubles all
the vjay throu^.

ME, 3SLLUSCEI; You liave to have a pen handy, when they approve something,
have them sign it.

ME., POETER: That does not mean anything in the v/orld. They sign it in
Egyptian, I don* t understand it. I matched the limestone up there. It v/as the
Alaoama limestone and we took a few of these ornaments where the color comes in to
match up v/ith the limestone and they matched so perfectly that now they are com-
plaining about changing. After once casting those things j^ou do not change it with-
out somebody paying the bill. But it is caning along very nicely,

ME, HEILD: If you should decide, if it should be decided that unit is better
placed at the back, you could use a material on the rear that would harmonize with
your limestone anyway,

ME, PORTER: Yes. That had not dawned on me, pushing it all back. I think
perhaps as you all know you get interested in the problem and you try to take wliat
your first thoughts are and try to develop it and perhaps I have been a little lax
in that and I v:ould love to make another sketch of it and see how it develops.

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January meeting, he ready v/ith another sketch?

POSTER: Yes. You know it is a rather interesting thing that when you are
working for the United States Engineers and you have people in hack of you —

MR, IlSIIiD: Standing over you sometimes.

PIMjEf; With a bayonet,

OErlSElAL EA-ISLIPs What we are afraid of, Mr. Chairman, is that v/e have the
money now hat everyday I expect a letter to come from the Bureau of the Budget say-
ing that money is impounded and you cannot spend, it, so v/e are desperately anxious
to let a contract on this thing before they seauester the funds as they probably
would do if they remanbered the situation,

MR. EEILD; Mr. Caemmerer, couldn* t they send us photostats of the revisions
they made rapidly.

MR. GAIMMERER: Pour sets of prints v/hen your revised design is read;^/,

MR, PORTER: I am under contract to finish on the 28th of November,

MR. CAE'MERER: You are not to blame for this delay. That is always allowed.
MR. PORTER: It is allowed here,

MR, GAEdiEPEH: It is not your fault,

CCLOICELj McCUTCHElT: Mr. Porter, I believe there was one other point you v/anted
to explore, the sensing of the Commission, and that was the selecting of this cast
stone as the material to be used througliout on this structure,

MR. PORTER: Yes.

COLOREL McCUI'CHEM: To avoid the conflict of materials we would adopt one or
the other. The cast stone throu^out or the limestone throu^out.

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VlR. POHrUR: Colonel, I feel this way ahont it, I feel that the center portion
where we get into the atomic center, I feel that I can match limestone so closely
that you could use hotb. of the materials yet I have no feeling if the Commission
would prefer it all of one material, I could go along with that perfectly all
right,

MB, PESlSi Are there other buildings nearby, where it would raise a question
of harmony with the environment?

MB, POHTER; I thinli at the present time anything we build out there is going
to be quite a difference beca^use those old buildings are brick buildings, with tne
Le G-arde building, which has an interior dimension of 22 feet inside and they want
to put a corridor down there and put rooms in. They have been v/anting to do that
for some years. You cannot do very much with a hospital building with ei^t foot
corridors in a space of 22 feet. I have had arguments hwith the Home and United
States Engineers now since *44, to get rid of sane of those buildings and always
get myself in Dutch by attempting to suggest that they tear the buildings down.

Some day they will come dov/n,

GU'IiRAL HA.ISLIP; Might I intervene there. It is our masters the Bureau of
the Budget, which keeps those buildings up, Event'ually they will all come dov/n.

And this is to be the first nev; unit in the new Hospital and it v/ill then be
extended a.s the old buildings go down. But we are forbidden now to tear them down,

MB. PEETS: In that case my suggestion refers to possible future buildings
rather than to this building,

GEMBRiUL- HAISLIP: Yes, sir, they should be exactly the same type.

MR, POHESR: The buildings in the new group will be the beginning of the entire
groap. The Domiciliary Building under construction at the present time is a lime^
stone building.

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ME, 3EILE: If there were no atomic restrictions v/oulclnH you use limestone
for facing ordinarily for new huildings?

POHTERs Yery definitely.

MR, de WILDOH; Have tests heen made mth that material (cast stone) under conr-
sideration, particularly und-er atomic explosions throu^ pressure and immediate
vacuum afterward? I wonder if that material would not just completely disintegrate
vhen the vacuum occurs. You cannot tell until you really make tests.

ME. POHTERt There have been some tests made. The man is more familiar with
it than most people around here* It was used at Haval Testing Basin down here at
Carderock, hy Admiral Ben Morrell, l^en they thought of using it the Bureau of
Standards made some tests. I am not familiar with than, hut they found out that
this material stood up better than ^any of our stones. I think they had some sort
of — I know they put it in an oven and heated it up then tossed it dovjn to below
zero where limestone and marble went to pieces. This material stood up. Another
test was madic by Admiral Morrell, some sort of a — the pieces were hung up and then
they started out v/ith some sort of an electric spot to smng these materials around*
Tventually they all disintegrated except this material (cast stone). It is a mate-
rial which has a lot of merit to it. I have used it in a number of buildings.

'Biere is a building in Philadelphia viiich used it, of course not atomic, the WPIL
Building, that blue one. You find it also in the Baha^ i Temple out in Chicago,

It has been used for a good, many yee^rs. You liave your Medical Center hospital
out at Bethesda.

MPt. MSILD; Bethesda lias been unfortunate hasn* t it, in its construction?

ME. PORTHR; Very d-efinitely because it was put in there — this material after
it is cast needs about ten days to two weeks so it can cui'e. All those slabs out
there v/ere put up green and they had an awful lot of trouble.

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I4R. 33LLUSCHI: Mr. Porter, what was the reason for using limestone in the
wings in the first instance?

MR. PORTER: In this huilding?

MR. BEEIiUSCHI: In the first schsne ^ich has limestone wings, h^hat wa.s the
reason for using limestone, if you thou^t this material was "better?

I'/IR, PORTER: Erankly, I had in mind using one material all the way throu^* I
toilt a "building here in Vifashington which W8.s the Everiing Star Parking Plaza and
used a construction down there #iere we hung to our sla'bs these panels of this conr-
crete and I had in mind using that all the way througji the huilding hut in our dis-
cussions I thinic they finally talked me out of it. The use of two materials began
v/hen I told them that I felt I could rnatdi limestone mth the concrete.

MR. IISILE; Have you not found that over the years, over a few years, the dis-
coloration will he entirely different. The limestone will prohahly become more dis-
colored tiian this material,

MR, PORTER: 'That I feel is ri^t. Would you mind seeing the center portion
of that a little different from the vdngs?

MR, EEILE: Ho, you mean in material?

MR, PORTER: In material,

MR, ilEILE: Ho, personally ! wuld prefer it all one material, 3ut v/e' were
discussing the use of limestone adjoining this material, I think limestone
probably being more porous, that in a few years — I know in the South it would — it
would darken even more than this material would in color,

MR. PORTER; I am sure of it,

MR, 3ELLUSCEI: The point is that if you have some reason for using limestone
on the wings, in preference to that mosaic, then the same reason would still e:dst

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tuilding.

MR, PORTER: If the center portion were recessed I would carry through with
limestone for the simple reason that we are developing a domiciliary huilding
which is limestone, I would prefer to see all the iDuildings come together in one
color or one texture.

MR, ITSILD: It would he much better. _

MR. PORTER: It was only that the center portion, the atomic center took me
to the concrete work.

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cial material is never to he preferred to a natural one, unless you have some
other considerations, such as introduction of brilliant color, v/hich of course
cannot be done with natural materi<‘ 2 l; but if you are trying to imitate natural
material mth an artificial one at the same cost and practical considerations
being compan'’able, it would seem to me the natural material V7ould be far more
desirable. Nature offers subtle variations in color, in texture, thal you never
can quite bring about with artificial material. It has a sort of dullness and
sameness which is not very good.

MR, PORTER: I go ri^t along wdth you on that. I do not use artificial
materialLs myself unless we are introducing color or for some such reason like this
atomic center. I would like to see all the buildings built at Soldi erfe* Home in
the next few years of a material preferably limestone, because the large building
that is going up at the present time, the Domiciliary Building, provides features
to keep the old men together under cover and so forth and so on. This is the first
unit that is being built which is about the size of the Mayflower Hotel, perhaps
a little bit larger.

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ME, B2ILLUSCHI; Yoa vail find that if yoa use tv/o inch limestone with shelf
in accordance v/ith the code and put grouting on the hack that if properly done,
you v;ill have a very solid and much less expensive material. How that would not
affect the thiclmess of your v/all because you v/ould not have to have those hooks,
just the ri^^t treatment of the concrete and I think good bond is possible and
there is enough experience a.nd enou 4 ^ tests made to prove it is satisfactory,

ME, POETSR, JE,: Could I ask some questions of the Commission?

We, of course, have this pretty v/ell developed as far as the drav/ings, by
virtue of the fact that v/e had a completion date to meet. Along v/ith that, the
idea of pushing that center core back is ver^.’’ good, I like it personally ver^^
much. However, v/e have a functional plan which has been tremendously thou^t out
in appreciation of the entire Soldier^* Home, 3-eneral McDonald, representing the
administration, haa put a lot of time into these plans and has actually almost
gone overboard v/ith us and worked out the functional arrangements of our
physiotherapy v/ings and X-ray, radiologist wings and of the beds and really v/e
have had a wonderful time working together. What v/e have come up with as far as
plans, of course, is based on a fundamental idea of the center core as developed,
Hov/, I ind-icate it that v/ay because when you start out v/ith the primary idea,

you more or less channel yourself maybe in one general direction.

2\ov 7, v/hat I v/ant to bring out is this,

that the plan tlia.t we have at the

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considerably from this in order to get thaf v/ing bank and run a typical bedroom
by that core to disguise it. I v/as v/orhering whether or not tha,t v/as something

that was mandatory in the feeling of design.

Hov/, v/e had at the last meeting this design. We had definite points of
criticism that came that we had attempted to judge and put into our new studies.

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I wondered if in the event tliat, hecause of a new attitude of the Commission, a
new road to trs.vel down in the functional planning to develop a new exterior
design, I wondered if there was not an outlet, let me say, a line of endeavor that
we could follov; if we could not meet the requirements of the Home hy changing it
so radically; if we could not get a criticism on wliat v/e have attempted to do in
answering the comments from the last meeting hy these sketches. I throw it up as
a lost hope in trying to accommiodate the Home and. trying to accoimiodate their con-
struction program and also trying to accommodate good architecture wiich we are
all interested in ri^t here. That is a long question hut I throw it up for mayhe
some expression from the Commission,

MR. HIIDNUT: May I speato to tha,t point? I think that after examination of
the plan amd your clients* wishes you find thak this pushing hack change involves
too great a sacrifice of time and effort, I think the Commission should not insist^
upon pushing it hack. Under the circumstances that would he not quite fair because
we did malce definite suggestions and they have been followed, I should say that
all v/e vjould request of the architect would he an effort to v/ork out a plan that
v/ould push it hack, A study of the feasibility, to see if it is possible and the
Commission ought not to refuse to approve this if that proves to he a question,
CtiAIH“h\I'I FlilLUY; I would agree v/ith that because v/e realize you are under
pressure with regard to time.

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of feeling. As I see it, the middle section has two functions. Hirst, it is a
refuge and second, it is service. You are mailing an element that is refuge and
service a dominant one. And you are making it the element into v;hich one enters
so that you enter into a refuge and enter into a service element and then go on

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into the residential, I'lJhereas 'by pushing the central block hack you. v/ould get the
feeling of entering the residence (the hospital) and then having as subordinate
portions the elements of seir/ice and refuge.

MH. imiLD: Gentlonen, from what I know of Mr. Porter* s firm I loiow he is as
much interested as anybody in getting the best answers to this problan and I am
sure that whatever is best he will attempt to do.

MH, POHDER: We msh to do, sir.

PlilLSY: Do you agree?

MH, BHLLUSCEI: Yes, I think so. I hope that they can find a my to do that
because their problsn would be facilitated to a great extent. After all the build-
ing is going to be there for many, many years and I hope you do not lose your
budget appropriation. Also, I laiow that the architect would be perhaps very happy
to have the opportunity to improve it if possible.

POEDIH; I do appreciate the criticisms of the Commission,

CEAIHd^T PIliLPY: Could vje give Mr, Porter a decision on the material. You
would like to have a decision on the material.

MH. IlEHLD: I thir^k Mr, Porter has stated that if that facade can be erected
without extrusion of that atomic unit thok it would be limestone.

ChAIHvlAii PIMLHY: Entirely limestone, wo’uld be entirely limestone.

MH, POPPER: That is ri^t.

GEIAIHMAIT PIIILEY; If it cannot be, the central portion i^jould be cast stone,

M?., POPPER: Cast stone.

GEAIHlAiT PIITLIY: But the v/ings, limestone.

MH, POPP'ER: Limestone,

GEAIIMAIT PIIILEY: If the Commission understands that, is that satisfactory?

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MR. BSLLUSCIII: Ho. I think that Mr, Heild sold he preferred one material, if
he has to go to cast stone, make it all the same.

CHAIBiAIT RlilLSY: I v/ould prefer it all one material, whatever it is.

Then, Mr. Porter, I think you have the sense of the Commission and we would
like to help you. It is our duty just as quiclfLy as possible to get the building
under contract,

MR, BSLLUSCHI: If v;e can help by having it sent to Mr. Hudnut and Mr, Heild
and passing it by me —

MR. HBILD: A preliminary sketch — it does not have to be a worked out dra.v;ing,

MR. PORTBR: I will be very happy to put it on the board as soon as we get
hack to the office and begin to make a study of that,

CEnlUiAL" PIHLRY: I think the rest of us v/ould be very glad to leave the design
to these gentlemen and they will get v/ord to you as soon as they can*

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THS COHIIISSION OF FBJS ARTS

Interior Dept. - V^ash. D, C.

December 10, 1951

Dear MTo Thompson:

The Commission of Fine Arts, at their meeting on November 29, 1951,
inspected the fuH-sized photographic enlargement of Llr. Weinman* s model
for the statue, “The Last Farewell,*’ which you had placed on a temporary
pedestal in the niche of the Great Entrance to the Arlington National

Cemetery.

The Oommssion felt that the pedestal should be simplified.

With regard to the statue, which it is understood will be cast in
bronze, the Commission recomiaend that it be given a green patina, using
an undercoat of goldleaf treated with copper sulphate, so that it vfill
not shine. Also the niche needs special treatment for an appropriate
background of the statue^ the panels, medallions and coffers should be
removed.

Before giving final approval, the Commission woxild like to see a
revised design of the pedestal, a sample of granite for the pedestal,
which should be rather dark, a scheme for treatment of the niche, as
well as a landscape plan for the treatment of the area adjacent to the
exedra, and a planting plan.

For the Commission of Fine Arts:

Sincerely yours.

Hr, Harry T. Thompson,

S/ David E. Finley,
t/ DAVID 3. FUsISI,

Assistant Superintendent,

National Capital Parks,
National Park Service,

Chairman.

Department of the Interior,
Washington D. C.

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The Regents of the Smithsonian Institution, The Coimnission of
Fine Arts, and Miss Katharine LT. Rhoades, or Mrs, Eugene Meyer
as provided in Paragraph 4 of the Codicil to the Will of the
late Charles L. Freer, have examined the following objects:

1 Bronze vessel of the type
fang i, Chinese, Shang
dynasty,

1 Belt hook, gilt bronze.

Chinese, late Chou dynasty,

1 Belt hook with jade inlay,
gilt bronze. Chinese, late
Chou dynasty. From Chin Tsim,

1 Small pottery vase, Chinese,

Han dynasty. Excavated in
early 19 4B at Ning-Pao,

Shensi Province,

1 Small pottery vase in shape
of bronze im, Chinese, Han
dynasty. Excavated in early
19 4B at Ning-Pao, Shensi
Province ,

1 ying Ch’ing pottery vase,

Chinese, late T*ang dynasty,

1 Large pottery jar. Chinese,

Kan dynasty,

1 Large YUeh pottery dish,

Chinese, T‘ang dynasty.

1 Southern Kuan pottery cup.

Chinese, Sung dynasty,

which have been recommended for purchase for the Freer Gallery
of Art by Mr. A, G. Wenley, Director, and they hereby approve
the purchase.

For the Regents of the Smithsonian Institution

David E. Finley

Nov, 29 , 1951 pqp Commission of Fine Arts

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THS Gdii-lISSIOW OF FI]®) ARTS

Interior Dept* - Wash. D.G.

Dear l!r, fJier: December 12, 1951

With reference to your Bill, H» Jo Res. 346, *‘To provide for
the establishment of a National War Memorial Arts Commission, and
for other purposes,** I an pleased to report to you that a copy of the
Bill was sent to each member of the Commission and the members wish
me to e^qDress to you their sincere appreciation of jrour interest in
the effort to promote activities in the fine arts of the Nation.

The Commission of Fine Arts was asked by the President in
January, 1951, to conduct a survey ox the Government’s activities in
the field of art and to make recommendations as to how these activities
could be reorganized and integrated both under war-time conditions and
in normal times*

Thus, in recent months, the Commission has conferred with heads
of departments and agencies of the Government, as well as with represent-
atives of museums and art organizations in this country. Much interesting
and valuable information has been obtained and it is hoped soon to have
a report for submission to the President. Therefore, until that report
can be formulated and submitted, the Commission would prefer to make no
specific coiiments by way of amendments or recommendations pertaining to
your Bill* I shall be glad to inform you of developments in this matter*
For the Commission of Fine Arts:

Sincerely yours,

Hon. Roy W» Wier, s/ David E. Finley

House of Representatives, t/ DAVID S. FII\[[EY,

Washington D. C« Chairman*

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PaSLBlIN/ulI OUTLIHiS FOR TRS REPORT OF mS COM^ilSSIOR OF FIRS A^S

TO THS PRSSIDSKT OF THiJi URIISD ST^LTiSS

Foreivord - Appointment by the Pi^esident

Part I i.oiation of Governvients to the Arts

(a) The function of /urb in Society and especially
the function of Art in a r’ree Society#

(B) The service of the turts in the democratic process#

. (C) The necessity of government support for the Arts
and the necessity of making this support consistent
with the freedom of the iirts,

(D) The purpose of the study# To determine the extent
to which the Government is now meeting this obli-
gation and to propose further means by v/hich this
responsibility can be more completely met.

Part II Government and the Arts in other nations # A general

outline cf activities of governments in countries other

than the United States#

(A) Support of the Arts in France#

(B) Recent activities in England, \idth special reference
to the Council of -.rts#

(C) Government support of the Arts in Jjatin America
;vith special reference to Mexico and Brazil#

Part III MAerican Government and the Arts

(A) The Goverruiient and Architect ui’e. The L*iinfant Plans
the history of the United States Capitol^ Ue building
of the United States Treasury and the activities of the
Treasury architect 5 the McMillan GoiTimission^ govsmiKJot
policy respecting Post Offices find Customs Offices; the
present activities of the Government in building.

(B) The Commission of Fine .irts. The purpose of the Com-
mission; its history; its activities; arid its employments#

(C) Government and the Arts of Painting and Sculpture,

The support of museums including the Smithsonian In-
stitute, the f’reer Galleiy and the Rational Gallery
of Arts; the activities of the I Abr ary of Congress
in Art and Music; support of local museums; the en-
couragement of painting and sculpture in public build-
ings; finally, memorials, fountains and other fbms
of out— door sculpture.

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