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Parliairientary  Reglfterj 

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H    I    S    TORY 


•O  F    T  -H  E 

proceedings'  and  debates  • 

O-F    THE 



^he  mbft  interefling  Speecites  and  Motions  ;    accurate 
-Copies  of  the  moft  remarkable  Letters  and  Papers^ 
•of  the  moft  material  Evidence,  Petitions,  &;c. 
laid  before  and  offered  .to  the  HaUSE^        '    v 


DUIS  I  N  G       THE 

Seco^wD  Sessuon  of  the  Fifteenth  Parliament 


G  EE  AT-B  R  I  T  A  I  N. 


V  O  L.     VI. 


l»rixiic4  for  J.  DE3RETT,  (Succeffor  to  Mr.  Almon)  cippo&te 
Turlington-House,    Piccadily. 


f<^'^^  -?r  THE, 

H     I     S     T      Q      R    Y 

OF    THE 


Of  the  SECbND  SESSION  of  the  ; 

HOUSE     OF     C  0  I^  M  0  N  S, 

•  W     TUX 

Fifteenth  Parliament  rf  Great  Bfitaini 

•  .  "  . 



to  the  First  and  Second)  from  the  COMMI7T£;£ 
of  SECRECY,  &c.. 

The  Committer  of  Secr9py*,^APPQin^cd  to  epquire  ih(fo  die  Caureil 
of  cfoe  War  that  now  fubfifts  in.tbp  Carnetlc,  and  of  the  prefent 
Condition  of  the  Britijh  ^pfTeflibaf  in  thofe  Parts*  and  \o  report 
th^  fame  to  the  Houfq,  with  t))eir  Obfervatioos  thereapoo;  and 
v/ho  were  inilru^ed  to  enquire  ^to  the  Ri/e/  Progrefs.  Coi^'<* 
du£l,  and  prefent  State  of  the  Maratta  War,  and  all  other  Hot* 
tilities  in  whicl^  the  Prefidency  of  Bengal  now  are  or  have  beeii 
engaged  in  the  Support  of  that  War,  and  of  the  EfFeds  whick 
the  faid  War  and  Hpftilities  may  have  produced  in  Bengal,  and 
the  other  Settlen:ent8  and  PoiTeffions  of  the  £aft-India  Com- 
pany : 

HA y IMG  been  farniihed  With  fome additional  Materids  refpeQinf 
the  Sabje£i  Matter  of  the  Firft  and  Second  Reports,  iince  they  were 
direded  by  the  Hoaie,  at  the  Commencement  of  the  prefent  Se^ 
iion  of  Parliament,  to  refume  their  Enquiries,  have  thought  it  their  Duty 
to  lay  before  the  Houie  the  Snbftance  of  thoie  additional  Materials,  by 
Way  of  Supplement  to  their  fermet  Reports,  following  the  fame  Arrange- 
ment ^tcording  to  which  the  feveralSobjeAs  were  origiaally  treated;  and 
fubjoiniing  to  their  former  Appendixes  the  Papers  and  Examinations  from 
which  diis  Supplement  is  com|^led»     '  /      ^ 

^    Votf.VL  B  Sapplfffflettf 








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Vftn.L.OlementB  Library 

10  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  lyit*' 

the  Subje^  o^  an  Alliance  ;  yet  when  Pondicherry  was  attacked,  it  was 
generally  imagined,  and  juftly,  as  he  believes^  that  Hyder  would  have 
tried  to  raife  the  Siege,  had  not  hh  Arms  at  that  Time  been  employed  in 
another  Quarter.  Thac  the  rubre<}ueat  Attack  on  Mahe,  and  the  Opera-> 
tions  in  the  Guntpor  Circar,  were  confidered  by  Hyder  as  positive  Adb  of 
Hoftility,  who  from  that  Time  feemed  to  make  no  Secret  of.  his  hoftile 
Defigns  againft  the  Carnatic.  That  his  own  E^eEe^lioas  upon  all  thefe 
Circactl dances,  added  to  bis  Inrormation  from  Mr.  Scbwaxts,  who  had 
ju((  returned  from  Hyder's  Durbar,  and  from  other  Channels  of  Intelli- 
gence, made  bim  conclude,  when  he  was  abovt  to  leave  India,  that  a  War 
was  not  far  didant,  and  that  Hyder  only  waited  for  an  Opportunity  to  be- 
gin Hoftilities ;  and  that  he  w\s  forry  co  fee  that  the  Maratta  War,  by  cx- 
haufting  the  Company's  Refources,  and  difperijirg  their  Force,  was  likely 
to  afFord  hfm  a  very  favourable  one ;  fo  that  he  never  doubted  of  the  Car- 
natic's  becoming  the  Theatre  of  War.  That  although  the  Afiairs  of  the 
Guntoor  Circar,  and  of  Mahe,  were  powerful  Provocations,  yet  Hyder 
would  not  have  involved  himfelf  in  the  War,  had  there  been  Peace  in 
Hindoflan^  until  he  had  received  the  Troops  promifed  him  by  France ; 
and  does  not  think  Hyderwould  have  traded  his  Infantry  and  Guns  io  the 
Carnatic,  had  the  Madras  Government  only  aifembled  the  Forces  under 
that  Prefidency  in  proper  Time,  and  ordered  the  Army  to  move  towards 
the  Weftern  FaiTes,  when  they  heard  of  Hyder's  Approach  from  Ben* 
galore.  - 

As  the  Fafls  contained  in  Mr.  Petrie's  evidence  appear  to  Your  Com* 
mittee  to  be  material,   they  have  inferted  his  Evidence  much  at  large> 
without  meaning  to  pafs  any  Judgment  upon  the  Condud  of  the  Madras 
Government,  relative  to  the  Alliance  with  Hyder  Ally,  alluded  to  by  Mir.  ^ 

Your  Committee,  in  the  Courfe  of  their  Refearches*  have  met  with  a 
Tranfa£lion  which  originated  with  the  Governor  General  and  Council ;  in 
which,  however,  the  Government  of  Madras  was  interefted,  and  which 
they  think  it  necelfary  to  date  to  the  Hpufe,  though  not  diiefUy  conneded 
with  the  Subject  Matter  of  their  Firft  Repo/t.r     . 

They  ffnd,  by  DIfpatches  from  Ci>katta,  dated  yth  January  1781,  that 
the.  Governor  General  and  Coiuicil  (then  confiding  of  Mr.  Haftings  and 
Mr.  Wheler  only),  after  dating  the  Neceffity  of  ufing  every  Means  to  re* 
lieve  the  Carnatic,  acquainted  the  Court  of  Directors  ^ith  a  Treaty  fet  on 

Foot  with  the  Dutch,  whofe  FofTeQions  at  Cochin  and  ita 

N^  6r.  Neighbourhood  had  been  attacked  by  Hyder  Ally,  and 

Snpplemental     which  had  been  formed  under  the  Advice  and  Corredlion 

Appendix  to      of  Mr.  Rofs,  Direftor  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Settle^ 

lit  Report.       ments  in  Bengal.    Thefe  Gentlemeq  reprefent  the  Force 

adlually  dationed  at  Cochin  and  near  it,  as  able  to  furnidt 
the  Proportion  of  Europeaia  Infantry  and  Artillery  therein  dipulated,  at 
well  as  of  Mallays,  who  might  be  quickly  niarched  by  a  near  Route  inta 
the  C^natic,  if  the  Governors  of  Colun^bo  and  jCochin  ^diould  accede, 
who  have  no  regular  Powers  to  bind  thejr  pompa;iy  > .  b^ing  fnbjefb  to  the 


A.  1782,  DEBATES.  n 

fupreme  Government  of  Batavia.     They  therefore  ftate  this  as  a  Reafon 
for  havingr  offered  to  the  Dutch  Direftor  more  advantageous  Tcrftis  than 
would  otherwife  have  been  expedient  in  an  equal  and  formal  negociationp  . 
cradequatc  to  their  Share  of  thfe  common  Intereft  in  the  War,     But  th^c 
no  Time  is  tohe  loft,  and  inftant  Relief  is  required,  and  that  the  depend- 
ent State  of  thofe  Pcrfons,   whom  they  folicit  to  be  the  immediate  Parties, 
claims  fome  additional  Concefiions  to  indemnify  then),  and  win  the  Con- 
currence of  their  Superiors  :  This  they  fay  has  induced  them  to  offer  ,the 
TintiivcUy  Country  to  the  Dutch,  '*  which  liiay  be  feparated   from   the 
•'  Caroatic,  u^rthout  either  EmbarrafTment  or  Danger  of  future  Coropeii- 
••  tion ;   and,  frcyn  its  Contiguity  to  the  Dutch  Pofleflions  in  Ceylon, 
**  would  prove  a  greater  Acquificioh  to  them,  than  Lofs  to  the  Nabob  :" 
That  the  Treaty  had  been  fuddenly  prepared,  and  "  without  his  Knowledge, 
•*  and  of  Courfe  without  his  Confenft,  though  they  know  that  the  latter  is  in- 
•*  difpenfably  neceflary  to  that  Article  of  the  Treaty  in  which  the  CefSon 
'•  of  TinnivelJy  is  fuggefted  ;'*  bat  that  a  Ceffion  of  a  minute  and  diftant 
Part  of  his  Dominions,  is  but  a  fmall  Sacrifice  for  the  Prefervation  of  the 
Whole,  as  the  Nabob  of  Arcot  is  the  Principal  in  the  War.    In  this  Letter, 
the  Suprerne  Government  inclofe  Copies  of  the  Treaty  executed  by  them, 
and  of  their  Lcners  to  the  Prefidency  of  Madras,  the  Nabob,  the  Direc- 
tors of  Cochin  and  Coiumbo,  and  the  Supreme  Government  of  Batavia. 


The  Minttte  of  the  Governor  General  and  Council  of  the  4th  January 
1781  (recapitulating  the  Reafons  a^bovfe  mentioned),  contains  the  "  Propor 
**  fals  for  a  Treaty  of  Alliance  bfefween  the  Englilh  and  Dutch  Eaft  India 
**  Companies,  and  the  Nabob  Wall&h  Jaw  Behader ;"  and  after  reciting 
the  Invafion  of  Hyder  Ally,  his  Attack  on  the  Dutch  Settlements,  the 
/  common  Intereft  of  the  Nabob,  and  the  Advice  and  Sug- 
No»  7.  geftion  of  the  Dutch  Dircdor,  declares,  that  the  Treaty 

Supplemental  fhall  be  propofed  ta  the  feveral  intended  Parties  to  it,^  and 
Appendix  to  that  it  (hall  be  blinding  on  the  ^nglifli  Company  as  foon  as 
ift  R^ort.        it  ihall  have  received  the  Seals  and  Signatures  of  the  other 

Parties,     The  Sobftance  of  this  Treaty  appears  to  be,  that 
the  Goveram^nTs  of  Coiumbo  and  Cochin  fhall  furnifh  1,000  European 
Infantryj  aoo  Eurbpean  Artilleiy,  and    1,000  Malays,  with  their  Com- 
•plement  tof  Officers,  fubjeA  to  the  Engfifh  Commander  until  the  Conclu- 
fibh  of  the  W&r  and  their  fe^-delivfery  to  their  proper  Government,  and 
receiving  th^ir  |)r6fent  Pay,  together  with  their  Field  4nd  Garrifon  Ex- 
|>ence8 :  That  it  ftiall  be  propofed  and  recommended  to  the  Nabob  of 
Arcdt,  to  graht  proper  Sunnuds  to  the  Dutch  Baft  India  Company,  tranf- 
fcrring  to  them  his  Rijght  and  Property  in  the  i^rovince  of  Tinnivelly,  to- 
gether with  tktt  eJtclufiVe  Right  of  the  Pearl  Filh'ery  on  all.the  Coaft  lying 
to  iht  Sonth  bf  Remfirfeirt :  That  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Coiiipany  may  make 
fucfaConqueftS  in  the  Nbighbourhood'of  Cochin  as  rhey  fhall  be  able,  without 
xht  Pftmdp«i0h  <Sf  At  Nibbb,  or  of  the  Englifh  :.  That  if  further  Affift- 
an'cb  is  re^qurred;  the  Ddtch  Ihill  engage  to  obtain  it  from  the  Supreme 
GbvemilieJnt  tof  Batavia,  on  the  fahie  terms :  That  the  Treaty  being  exe- 
cuted by^tbeSuf^reme  Cou'ticil  of  bengal,  fhall  be  forwarded  to  the  Nabob 
of  Arcot ;  and  ff  .executed  by  him,  to  the  Dirfeftors  of  Coiumbo  and 
(Cochin  s   b|fi  jitfbte  to  no  Diihinution  or  Altbaiion,    Your  Committee 


'    I 

1.2  PARLIAMENTARY         '      A.  1782. 

find,  that  their  Letter  to  the  Nabob  reprefents  the  perilous  State  of  their 
common  Affairs,  and  the  great  Sacrifice  made,  by  relinquiOiing  the  Profc* 
cution  of  the  Maratta  War,  a)moft  jn  the  Moment  when  they  had  Reafon 
to  expe6>y  from  the  ^uccefs  which  bad  attended  it,  that-  it  would  have 
fpsedily  terminated  in  an  honourable  and  advantageous  Peace ;  and  that 
the  Neceffity  of  the  utmoft  Expedition  muft  apologize  for  the  Want  of  his 
previous  Confeni.  The  Letter  intended  for  Columbo  and  Cochin^  repit^ 
fents  10  the  Governors  of  thbfe  Settlements,  the  (mpoffibility  of  correfpond- 
ing  witn  Batavla,  by  reafop  of  the  Time  which  would  thereby  be  loft  j 
and  holds  out  the  great  Advantage  accruing  to  the  Dutch,  as  an  ample  In- 
demnification for  their  \yant  of  Authqrity  from  their  Superiors.  In  the 
tetter  intended  for  the  Supreme  Gpvernment  pf  Batavia,  the  fame  Arga- 
incnts  pf  Advantage  are  urged,  to  fecure  their  Ratification,  and  the  Ne- 
ceffity of  Expedition  pfiercd  as  an  Apology  for  having  applied  themfelves, 
in^the  firft  Inlknce,  to  fubordinate  Governments.  In  the  Letter  from  the 
Governor  General  to  that  of  Madras,  accompanying  this  Treaty,  Inftrnc* 
tions  are  given  to  prefs  the  Nabob  to  a  Compliance,  by  reprefeniing  hii 
Neceilities,  his  Obligations,  and  the  Juftice  of  the  Claims  which  they  have 
upon  him  ;  and  no  Poubt  is  entertained  but  that,  from  Motives  of  Policy 
as  well  as  Juftlce,  the  Nabob  will  accede  tq  the  T^ertnn  ofered  in  hig 

On  the  1 2th  of  January  1781,  the  Government  of  Madras  acquaint(*d 
the  Court  of  Dire£[ors,  that  they  had  particularly  attended  to  his  Ma* 
jelly ^s  Order  in  Council,  of  the  17th  of  April  laft,  and  fhould  vigilantly 
guard  againf^  any  Confequences  which  might  eventually  arife  from  the 
Meafures  that  His  M»jefty  had  been  under  the  Neceffity  0f  adopting ; 
and  on  the  17th  of  February,  tranfmit  to  the  Diredora  jheir  Sentiments 
on  the  Treaty  above  ftated.     They  obfervet  that  the  Cemon  of  the  Tin* 
uiveily  Country  and  pearl  Fifhery,  which  arc  to  be  perpetually  ceded  for 
a  temporary  Affiftance,  are  eftimated  at  35  Lacks  of  Rupees,  equal  ia 
that  Country  to  385,750^.  Sterling.     That  a  Scheme  of  AffiiUnce  from 
the  Dutch  had  been  intimated  Ibme  Months  before,  but  that  the  weighty 
iponfideration  of  Expeuce  feemed  alone  fufficient  to  deter  them  from  ac« 
cepting  it,  though  they  had  not  abfolutely  declined  it ;  more  ^fpecially 
as  the  requisite  Sum  might"  be  more  advantageoufly  applied,  by  enter- 
taining a  Body  of  Cavalry,  the  Want  of  which  had  been  feverely  felt. 
In  Addition  to  thefe  Arguments,  they  hold  themfelyes  not  to  have  been 
warranted  in  forwarding  the  Treaty,  as  Sir  £yre  Coote*8  Succefs  had 
been  fo  confiderable,  as  much  was  to  be  expe^ed  from  General  God- 
dard's  Operations,  and  as  the  Reinforcement  expe^ed  from  Bengal  would 
enable  them  to  a6l  with  Efledt  on  the  pfFeniive ;  but  above  all,  as  tb^ 
Revenues  of  the  Southern  Provinces  were  almoft  the  only  Refources  left 
to  the  Nabob,  and  as  his  Highnefs  had  affigned  them  over  to  the  Com- 
pany |[referving  fome  Share  for  his  Houihold  Expences),  and  were  the 
xnoft  confiderable  Part  of  their  Funds  for  carrying  on  the  War,  the  Cef- 
fion  of  fb  much  Revenue  in  Perpetuity  would  drip  them  of  their  beft 
M^ans  of  fupporting  tbemfelves  in  the  Camatic.     To  this  they  add^ 
that  his  Majefiy's  Declaration  in  Council,  of  the  17th  of  April  lySo, 
{'endere4  the  giving  to  the  Dujch  an  OpjJprtjipity  pf  i^cquiting  fo  much 
*    S       ' '  Jnflu? 

A.  i782« 

D    E    B    A  /r    E    S. 



Influence  in  that  Country,  a  Meafure  both  highly  impolitic  and  detrimeiN 
|a)  to  the  Company's  A^airs. 

Your  Committee  find.  That  t}}e  Dire6lors  of  theEail  Indja  Gompsny, 
in  their  Genera!  .Letter  to  Fort  St*  George. by  the  Ships  now  under  Dif- 
patchf  have  expreiTed  their  Opinion  of  this  Tranfaf^ion  in  the  following 
Terms  :  **  It  is  needlefs  to  enter  upon  an  Examination  of  the  propoied 
!•  Treaty  with  the  Dutch  for  the  Tinnivelly  Country.  Nothing  but  the 
mod  defperate  Neceflity  could  have  warranted  iuch  CeiCon  of  Terri- 
tory tp  the  Dutch ;  however,  as  Great  Britain  and  the  States  Gene* 
ral  are  at  open  War,  every  Effort  mu&  be  continued  to  guard  againft^ 
^nd,  if  poffiblj?.  to  reduce  arnd  deilroy  the  Fower  of  the  Dutch  m 
!•  India/'  .       /  . 


Supplement  to  the  Second  Report, 

THl^  Abolition  of  the  Committee  of  Circuit,  and  calling  down  of  tha 
Zemindars  to  Madras,  was  the  Point  fird  attended  to  >n  Yonr  Com? 
inittee's  Second  Report.  In  Addition  to  what  they  have  already  flated 
on  that  Subje<El,  it  appears  to  them,  That  on  the  5th  May  1778  (about 
Three  Months  after  the  Arrival  of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold  at  Madras),  a 
Letter  was  written  to  him  by  Mr.  Sadlier,  then  Chief  of  Mafcilipatam, 

reprefenting,  ^*  That  he  always  had  in  Mind  how  much 

No.  1.  *•  the  Governor  feemed  to  have  at  Heart  the  Coming 

Supplemental     **  of  the  Zemindars  to  the  Prefidency  : — My  utmoli  £0- 

Appendix  to      *'  deavours  (fays  he)  have  been  ufed  to  facilitate  your 

2d  Report.       *  '^  Wifh  ;  but  lefs  fanguine  than  you  appear,  of  the  Eli- 

**  gibility  of  undertaking  fuddenly  great  Reformation  of 
*'  Sydem^  and  aware  of  the  DifHculties  in  which  you  may  be  involved. 
*'  As  I  could  not,  confidently  with  the  warm  Support  Grat'V^de  and 
**  Inclination  prompt  me  to,  flatter  you  of  the  immediate  Succefs  of  your 
'*  Meafures,  1  thought  it  bed  to  be  filent,  and  not  awake  Didrud  in 
<^  you,  till  a  full  and  compleat  State  of  the  Settlement  and  our  Situa- 
**  tion  were  fcnt  you  :  Such  is  uow  compleated,  and  goes  this  Night  tQ 
<*  Council.  ^ 

<<  If  it  had  pleaied  you  to  have  repofed  Confidence  in  me,  and  apt 
*'  prifed  me  of  the  State  of  this  Settlement  previous  to  my  Departure 
*'  from  Madras,  and  intruded  to  me  after  I  could  have  communicated  to 
f*  you  my  Opinion  on  your  Plan,  and  the  Time  fitted  for  its  being  un- 
♦*  dertaken,  pofTibly  our  Treafury  might  have  bcenTeplenifhed,  and  the 
^  Scheme  forwarded.  But  having,  previous  to  my  Knowledge  of  your 
*<  Intentions,  written  to  the  Zemindars,  I  found  my  Influence  and  the 
**  InBuence  of  the  Board  here,  annulled,  and  nothing  to^e  done  till  yoa 
«*  have  the  Zemindars  with  you,  or  till  ^his  Government  is  inveded  with 
f*  their  ufual  Authority." — Upon  thefe  Grounds  Mr.  Sadlier  proceeded 
to  date  the  Necefiity  of  lofing  no  Time  in  putting  the  Meafure  in  Exe* 
cution,  after  the  Subjed  fhould  have  had  due  Confideration,  and  the  Go- 
vernor fhould  have  fati^fied  himfelf  how  the  Calls  on  Mafulipatam  for 
Money  were  to  be  fatisfied  ;  and  dates,  that  Sepoys  might  be  necefTary  to 
enforce  the  Order,  **  as  it  commonly  requires  fuch  an  Exertion  to  get 
"  *'  the  Zemindars  from  their  refpedlive  Countries/'  apd  make  them  ful^t 
their  Engagements  to  Government. 

It  appears  alfo,  that^this  Letter  contains  a  Defcription  of  the  Charac« 
ters  and  private  Circumdances  of  ibme  of  the  principal  Zemindars  in 
that  Settlement,  which  Your  Committee  think  it  necefTary  to  date  fhortly, 
as  affording  Matter  forjudging  of  the  Neceffity,  Policy,  or  Propriety,  of 
galling  down  (he  2femindafs  to  t]ie  Prefidency,  iu  preference  to  the  Mea- 

A.  1782."  O    E    B    A    T    E    S.  IJ 

fure  which  was  ordered  by  tjie  Court  of  Diredtors ;  namely,  that  a  Com»' 
xnicue  from  The  Preiidency  ihould  enquire  upon  the  Spot  into  every  Cir- 
cutQdance  which  afFe6led  the  refpedive  lotereils  of  the  Peafants,  the  Ze-' 
raindariy  or  the  Company  ;  and  alfo,  as  tending  to  throw  Light  upon  th^ 
Suggeftions  made  by  the  fabordinate  Settiements,  and  by  the  Zemindars 
tbemfelves,  of  their  Inability  to  afford  t'he  Expence  of  a  Journey  to  the 
Preridency,  and  a-Refiience  there  for  fome  Length  of  Time,  and  of  the 
Detriment  livhich  would  thence  arife  to  the  fubordinate  Treafuries,  ai^d  &!- 
timately  to  the  Company. 

Tripetty  Rauze  is  repreiented  as  very  punAual  in  his  Bngagemepts  to 
the  Company,  as  an  able  and  frugal  Manager  of  ^is  Country;  ufeful  to 
the  Company,  by  affift»ng  them  in  fettling  with  others  of  his  own  Clafsi' 
bat  a  greater  Sufierer  by  having  become  Security  for  the  Countries  under 
his  Management,  infomach  as  to  be  reduced  to  *^  a  Manoeuvre,"  to  en- 
deavour to  extricate  himfelf  from  his  DifHculties :  Thus  embarrafled  as 
he  now  is,  Mr.  Sadlier  knows  not  how  he  can  fettle  his  Affairs  to  the  Sar 
tlsfa^ioa  of  the  Prefidency .  of  Madras. 

Opporow  is  Tfeprefented  as  having  a  fine  Country,  great  Part  o/whi^h 
18  under  the  Management  of  others ;  but  that  his  Affairs  are  in  (o  i^n* 
profperous  a  State,,  that  nothing  fliort  of  the  Sequeflration  of  his  Coun- 
try, and  giving  him  an  Allowance  for  his  Maintenance,  can  enable 
him  to  pay  o^  his  heavy  Debts,  and  reftore  him  to  his  former  Sicua- 


Jagapetty  Rauze  is  rcprefented  to  have  the  NanJe  of  being  able  to 
fettle  with  the  Company^  eiiher  at  Mafulipatam  or  Madras,  but  that  a] 
clofe  Connexion  is  (aid  to  have  taken  place  between,  him  and  Sitteram' 
Rauze ;  "  That  Vackeels  and  Correfpondence  are  in  ufe  between  them,,^ 
•*  and  that  there  is  Ca ufe  to  imagine  that  there  are  Intrigues  on  Foot 
*'  between  the  Zemindars  of  Chicacole  and  thofe  of  th^s  Diflridl,  froni 
**  this  Man's  Influence.  This  (fays  Mr.  SadJier}  (hould  be  difcooraged, 
*'  and  may  cauie  a  Combination  of  the  Whole  of  the.  Zemindars,  to  dif- 
"  trefs  and  embarr^fs  your  Plan.  To  overcome  fuch  Confederacy,  yo^i^ 
**  might  fettle  the  Affairs  of  the  different  Diftrifts  feparately  and  aj  dif- 
ferent Times,  dnd  not  hazard  the  EiFe£ls  of  Intrigue,  by  bringing  th^ 
Whole  of  them  together." 

Row  Vencata  Row  is  reprefented  as  having  paid  up  his  I^ffls ;  and  a 
Renewal  of  his  Agreement,  in  th^  nfual  Mode,  it  is  thought  may  be  ef- 
fected.  Ram  Chundre  Rauze  isiaid-to  wifh  to.  have  his.  Pretenfions  to 

t4ie  Cotah  Country  (now  in  Charjge  of  a  Fouzdar  for  the  Company)  fet- 
tied  before  he  pays  his  Inftalmen'ts;  Coflant  R^m  and  VeHereddy  Rannj,^ 
as  having  been  always  pundual,  and  likely  fo  to  continue. 

The  Chief  of  Mafulipatam  then  proceeds  to  draw  the  Governor's  At?- 
tention  to  the  Effedls  which  this  Meafure  would,  in  his  Judgment,  havc^ 
upon  the  Treafory  of  the  Settlement  under  his  Charge.'  **  By  the  Efli- 
'*  fiiate  (continues  he)  of  probable  Receipts  and  monthly  Difl^urfements, 

••  fent 

%6  PARLIAMENTARY  A*  1782* 

*f  fent  to  the  Board,  you-  will  find  we  have  Hop^  of  receiving  very  lit- 
"  tie;  and  our  Difburfement  not  lefs  than  33,000  Pagodas  monthly 
**  (iC*  i.^»3<^  Sterling),  befides  which,  we  owe  (o  the  Soubah,  31(1 
^*  March  la(h  77*922  Pagodas,  on  Account  of  his  Tribute;  which  Sum 
**  is  increafmg  monthly,  at  the  Rate  pf  10,822  |.  The  Payment  of  the 
'*  laft  Money  was  com  pleated  by  the  Soucars  only  a  few  Days  (incey 
**  which  occaOoned  the  Soubah,  by  one  of  his  People,  to  write  Vencata 
**  Roy  loo,  as  you  will  perceive  by  Tranflate  of  the  Letter  now  fent. 
**  It  becomes  an  Obje<Sl  of  your  mod  ferious  Attention,  in  cafe  the  Ze-* 
"  mindars  proceed  as  at  prefent  intended*  to  find  Means  by  which  our 
*<  Treafury  may  be  fupplied ;  the  mod  valuable  Part  of  the  Company's 
<*  Invedment  depends  on  it,  and  the  Zemindars  with-holding,  as  they  do, 
**  Aflidance  of  any  Kind,  leaves  little  Hopes  oF  Refources  in  ourfelves  ; 
'*  for  whatever  may  appear  duej  fuch  is  the  State  of  Credit,  and  foch 
*'  the  Uncertainty  of  Payment,  I  do  not  at  this  Hour  know  where  I 
*'  can  apply  with  Certainty  for  the  fmalled  Sums,  and.  all  I  expedl  to 
*'  be  able  to  do,  will  barely  furniih  the  Demands  of  the  prefent  Month^ 
<'  Independent  of  our  Silver,  which  may  amourit  to  about  a  Lack  of 
**  Rupees,  which  will  be  1  fold  to  great  Lofs.— Thus,  Mifcarriage  in 
"  any  of  the  Adairs  dependent  on  this  Settlement,  may  therefore  be  im- 
**  puted  to  the  Change  of  Sydem,  and  what  Difappointments  enfae 
*^  judided  by  the  Council  here  on  this  Plea,  and  all  Misfortunes  incident 
**  to  it  imputed  to  your  Board. — If  too,  by  improper  Management  here- 
''  tofore.  Deficiency  in  Payment  of  the  Kids  now  due,  and  the  Revenue 
*^  of  this  Country,  according  to  the  prefent  Settlement,  ihould  happen^ 
•*  may  not  the  Caufe,  by  its  E5*e£l  of  giving  the  Firft  Shock,  too  com- 
**  mon  and  long  pra£lifed  Credit  in  the  Mode  of  Securities  in  thofe 
*'  Countries,  be  alfo  afcribed  to  the  prefent  Plan  ?  In  diort,  if  it  fhould 
'*  happen  that  the  Settlement,  by  bad  Seafons  and  Caufes  alleged  by 
^*  the  Zemindars,  is  on  the  Decline,  would  it  not  be  prudent  to  leave  the 
**  Government,  hitherto  charged  with  Refponfibility,  to  judify  its  Mea- 
"  fures,  and  bear  the  Cenfure  it  deferves  ?  are  Quedions  with  Deference 
*<  I  fabmit  to  your  better  Judgment. 

**  The  Period  of  Settlement  by  Mr,  Floyer,  expires  the  25th  Septem* 
'*  ber  next ;  a  new  Jamabundy  mud  then  be  agreed  on ;  that  Time  or 
**  Odiober  may  be  better  fuited,  and  the  People  better  prepared  to  vifit 
^*  the  Prefidency.  In  Cafe  then  no  Change  is  intended  in  the  prefent 
'*  Settlement,  fuch  Seafon  may  be  equally  convenient  for  the  Company 
**  for  a  future  Plan ;  and  the  Board  here,  by  being  left  to  accomplifh  its 
**  prefent  Payments,  may  poflibly  at  that  Time  have  its  Treafury  io  a 
**  State  to  anfwer  the  Exigencies,  and  the  Plan  proceed  without  Incon* 
^^  venience. — I  am  led  to  thefe  Obfervations,  by  a  fincere  Wifli  to  pro- 
**  mote  the  Succefs  of  ^your  Meafures;  and  dimulated  by  fuch  Motives, 
'*  led  to  a  Freedom  of  Remarks  I  would  not  have  ufed,  but  to  the  Per-» 
*'  (on  whole  Honour  and  Succefs  highly  intereds  me  ;  I  trud  therefore  I 
**  (hall  not  have  given.  OiFence  : — You  have  now,  (if  you  think  the  Sub- 
*'  jedl  deferves  it)  but  to  afford  it  due  Cohfideracion,  and  iignify  your 
**  further  Widies  to  enfure  in  me  an  arduous  Dedre  to  fecond  them,  by 

•*  ihe 

,  ^*  th^  mefft  ksepHcfl  ObedkicJir  id  yoar  further  Ocwddiands.    The  pre^nt 
^*  I^^f^  i»  meant  ifi  a  p«iv»te  one,  but  whatever  CM^rvatioitt  cdacera 
/'  (^e  ^iihUc^  VB^y  be  Qfiid  a5  }rou  have  Occi&ptK* 

•  > 

.    ,  Y^r  Committ^  upon  this  Poiot  xeQ)e£tii9  the  lAbolition  of  the 

C^nwiittee  oiP  Circatt*  andealiing  iann  the  Zemindars, 
Sxippl^m^t^  examined  WiUiam  Petrie,  Efqaiae  ;-  vvteacquamted  ckcM, 
Appeadix  to  lha|(  he  weat  ixft  to  Madras  in  the  Coiapaiiy's  CHI 
^  l^ep^rt*        Wvke  about  Seweateen  Veaas  ago,  aid  had  a^ed  m 

th^  Stations  of  Commiffiiry  and  Paymailer  to  the  Arany, 
idaring  the  M  War 'whh  Hyder  Ally,  at  the  Ftrft  §iege  of  Tanjore,  and 
in  the  rubfeq^qeiikt  Cajnpafgqa :  That  he  was  alcerwar4f  appointed  8ecM)i- 
tary  to  the  Gov^ri^ment  of  M>adi^a»  ia  which  I>epartnieitc  he  re»aiiieil 
till  his  Returo  to  England  in  1776  ;   that  to  the  lueceedng  Year  hm  r»- 
tnrn^d  to  I«riU  wick  Sir  Thflmas  &(tmbold,  and  was  .appointed  Envoy  or 
Refident  to  the«  Rajah  of  Tanjoro,  and  to  the  Chie^faip  of  Nagoie  aivd 
Caricole,     That  h^  agaie,  left  India  ii»  Ja«iuary  1.790 ;  waa  proftcoting 
his  Journey  over  Land*  but  waa  obliged,  on  Account  of  the  Plague  i A 
Turkey*  to  return  to  Bombay  1  was  prefent  at  the  Capture  of  Baflein  by 
jhe  Seivgal  Army;  and  on  the  Malabar  Coaft,  had  an  Opportunity  of 
bearing  of  Hyder  Ally's  alarming  Succefs  in  the  Camatic,   and  the  dkfm 
treiled  St^te  of  the.  English  Goveroncfit  atMadraas.     That  he  left  ah« 
Coaft  of  {ndia  on  the  nth  F^brusry,  on  board  of  a  .Portugaefe  Ship» 
and  arrived  in  Englaad,  September*  lydi.-^-vvwMr.  fetrie  informed  Youp 
CommiVtee,  That  he  renMwied  with  Sir  Thonas  Rombold  about  Tty^ivd 
Days  after  his  Arrival  at  Madras,  and  was  not  in  that  Place  when  the 
Committee  of  Circuit  was  aboliiHed»  but  heard  of  it  at  Tanjore,   whicfai 
is  di0ant  from  Madras  Three  Days  Journey  by  Poll,  and  Six  or  Seveo 
in  the  uAiai  Way :  That  moft  of  the  Zemindars,  he  believes,  were  at 
Madras  when .  ho  returned  tO'  the  Prefidency,  bat  tha:  he  had  ao  Com- 
munication with  tbem :  Thai. he  was  acquakced  with  the  Objeds  of 
the  Con^mltt^e  of  Circuit,  and  knew  of  its  I^ffiblurion ;  and  from  his 
Knowledge  of  the  Affairs  of  that  Prefideney,  and  the  Objtds  of  thai 
Committee,  he  is  clearly  of  Opinion,  that  (hsy  were  more  Hkely  to  be 
attained  by  the  Continuance  of  the  Committee,  than  by  calliag  dawn  the 
Zemindars ;    becaufe  the  Committee  was   dire^ed   to  proceed   to  the 
Nonhe/Hs  Cirears,  and  ittvcftigate  the  varioioj  Mattac^  which  bad  been 
Qomplained  of  jn  that  Branch  of  the  Company^s  Government ;  and  beeaaie 
the  Indf u£)ion8  given  to  theo)  for  their  Gaide,  appear  to  him  well  calcu- 
lated iQ  accompHlh  the  Pprpofes  of  Reformation ;  whereas,  by  calling  the 
^etnindars  to  A/tadras,  the  Board  eeuld  only  have  pa^id  Evidence,  and 
mull  be  liable  to  Impbftioir  aed  Deception  from  tbofe  Men.,  whofe  Intereft 
it  was  to  keep  them  in  the  Dark,     from  hb  Knowledge  of  the  Men  ap- 
pointed  tp  form  that  Committee,  Mr.  Petrle  thought  they  were  retj 
capable  of  that  Truft  s  and.  being  aflced  Whether 'there  were  other  Gentle- 
men  fit  to  fupply- their  Places  in  cafe  of  Vacancy  i  he  anfwered,  *^  A  ereaf 
many  indeed."     With  Refped  to  the  Zemindars  having  complained  cf  die 
Hardship  of  being  brought  down  to  the  Prefideocy,  Mr.  Petrie  informed 
Vour  Committee,  tba^t  he  did  not  know  it,  £0  as  to  warrant  him  in  calling 
it  per(boal  Knowledge ;  fyxk  that  it  was  the  notorious  and  aaiverfai  Sei^fe 
offiic  Prefidency,  that  they  had  fo  complained, 

VOA.VI.  D  .  Mr 

fS  PARLIAMENTARY  •  A.  ivh. 


Mr.  Cotsfbrd,  who  as  Chief  of  Mszolipatatn  for  upwards 
Vide  Report  of  Two  Years  fobfsqaent  (o  the  latter  End  of  17789  and 
on  the  Reve-  whofe  Departure  from  thence,  on  board  ^of  a  Daniih  Ship, 
Bue.  without  waiting  for  the  Approbation  of  the  Government, 

./;  '  had' given  Offence*  was  exmnined  by  Your  Comitoittee  to 

Vide  Supple-    this  Point;  and  informed  them.  That  great  Inconvenience 
.mental  Ap-       had  arilen  from  the  Meafure  of  calling  down  the  Zemin- 
pendix  to  ad     dars ;  that  the  Colle£lions  had  thereby  been  impeded^  and 
Keporty  that  they  had  complained  of  the  Expence  incurred  by  their 

No.  7*  Journey,  their  Reudence  at  Madras,  and  the  Neceflity  of 

leaving  their  Zemindaries  in  the  Hands  of  Servants.  That 
he  never  had  any  Converfation  with  any  of  the  Zemindars  refpeding 
Prefents  given  to  any  Members  of  the  Government  at  Madras,  although 
he  had  met  with  all  the  Zemindars  on  their  Return,  and  afthoagh,.  had 
cbey  not  been  called  down,  he  ihould  have  accepted  of  certain  Advantages 
^hich  were  cuftomarily  in  his  Station,  after  having  firft  difcharged  his 
Duty  to  the  Company.  Mr.  Cotsford,  upon  the  Subject  of  the  Utility  of 
the  Committee  of  Circuit,  feemed  to  think  the  Chiefs  and  t^ounctls  at  the 
fubordinate  Settlements  ought  not  to  have  been  foperfeded  by  that  Indi- 
tution,  and  that  a  iingle  Perfon  might  have  done  the  Duty  of  that  Com- 
mittee ;  of  which  he  feemed  to  have  too  limited  and  inadequate  an  Idea, 
confining  it  merely,  to  fnrveying  and  letting  ^e  Lands;  whereas  the 
Company's  Letter  of  the  12th  April  177$  {{Sttd  in  the  Second  Report), 
comprehends  many  great  and  important  ObjeAs  of  public  Policy,  front 
the  governin|^  Power  down  to  the  lowefl  Subtenant. 

Your  Committee,  in  their  Second  Report  to  which  this 
Private  Tranf-  Supplement  is  offered,  after  having  digefted  the  Materials 
onions  of  the  with  which  they  were  furnifhed,  refpe^ng  the  Nature 
Members  of  and  Effects  of  abolifhing  the  Committee  of  Circuit,  and 
Government,     calling  down  the  2Semin&rs  in  Peribn,  ftated  the  Manner 

of  dealing  with  them,  and  the  Remittances  which  were 
maije  to  China  by  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold  during  that  Period.     Tn  Addition 
to  the  former  Materials  on  this  Head,'  they  Imvo  been  fnrnRhed  with  the 
following  Evidence :         ■      \ 
'  '     '  '  • 

Captain  Johnflop,  of  the  Granby,  informed  them.  That 
Sttpplemental  he  failed  from  Britain  on  the  7th  March,  1779,  for  Ma- 
Appendix  to  dras;  arrived  there  on  the  18th  January,  1780,  when  Sir 
ad  t^eport,  Thomas  Rumbold  was  Governor  f  that  he  remained  there 
No.  z*  about  Five  Months,  and  failed  for  China  about  the  i8th 

June,  where  he  arrived  about  the  29th  Auguft ;  that  he 
carried  with  him  Treafure  belonging  to  Individuals,  and  among  the  refl 
Svooo  Pagodas  (£*  3,2co  Sterling)  belonging  to  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold, 
which  he  delivered  to  Meffrs..  Brad  (haw  and  Pigcu;  that  Meilrs.  Oakley 
and  Prodlor,  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold's  Attomies,  had  applied  to  him  to 
take  it  on  Board,  about  Fourteen  Days  before  he  failed.  That  the  Trea* 
fiure  was  not  regularly  entered  in  the  Books  where  other  Effefls  are  en- 
tered, and  that  a  Bill  of  Lading  was  given.  That  he  had  30,000 
Piigodas  bcfides^  belol»ging  to  di^reiit  Individuals,  but  none  belonging 

A.  1782.  DEBATES*  l^' 

to  any  Member  of  Gdvernment,  excepif  that  ifcoTC  mentioned.  Thit 
the  Seahorfe  Man  of  War  failed  in  Company,'  as  Convoy  ro  the  Ships, 
and  bad  Money  and  Jewds  on  board  (o  a  large  Amounr,  as  h^  learctd 
from  Captain  Panton  (Captain  of  the  Seahorft)^  whom  Yoih'  Committee' 
find  top>e  fince  deceafed ;  of  which  16,000  Pagodas  {£*l^t4^oo)  were  the 
Property  of  Sir  Thomas  Rombold.  That  in  Converfaiion  with  Gaptiin 
Panton,  on  Board  of  his  own  Ship,  that  Gentleman  alked  him,  WhaiP 
Qaanticy  of  Pagodas  he  had  of  Sir  Thomas  RumboldV?  And  that  upon 
his  anfwering,  that  he  had*  8, oco^- Captaiin  Panton  replied,  tthal'te  ha4 
double  the  Number.  •        -   ; 

Captain  Parker,  Captain  Montgomerie,  Captafin  Blanchard,  Captaia 
Wakefield,  Captain  Peirce,  and  Captain  White,  informed  Your  Com* 
mittee.  That  they  had  carried  fmall  Quantities  of  Treafure  to  China,  oii 
Account  of  Individual  (fpecifying  the  Sums  and  Names  of  the  Owners^ 
no  Part  of  which  appears  to  have  been  on  Account  of  any  Member  of  thft 
Government  of  Madras. — Mr.  Farrington  Butterfield,  P'urfer  of  the  Sand« 
wicb,  which  failed  to  China  with  mod  of  the  Captains  above  mentionedt 
informed  Your  Committee,  That  lefs  than  30.000  Pagodas  were  oH  Board 
of  that  Ship  belonging  to  Merchants  ;  but  that  -the  Skahorfe  had  carried  a 
great  deal  of  Money,  for  which  Three  per  ant.  Freight  was  paid  to  th* 
Man  of  War,  while  the  Company'^  Ships  had  but  One.    ^ 

'  YoorCon^mittee  proceeded  to  examine  Thomas  fievan,  Efqaire ;  whd  in* 
formed  them,  Thathe  wasSecond^f  the  SeleA  ComarHtteeatCbina,eppoin»» 
cd  at  the  £nd  of  the  Year  1778;  That  he  failed  on  the  6th  or  7th  of  March 
1 779,  and  arrived  in  China  on  the  3d  or  4th  of  Goober  in  the  fame  Year  i 
That  heJtad  Left  Canton  on  the  Ia(iDay.of  Jaooary.i^i^jiBd  caipe  h9me 
in  the  lad  Ship.— Having;  been  iafermed  by  Captain  Johndon  that  15  or 
16  Counuy  Ships  had  Uiled  from  Madras  to  China  in  the  Year  1780, 
Your  Committee  interrogatail  Mr.  Bevan*  witk  refpoA  ixy  the  Remitticncs  of 
Treafu^  by  Individuals,  b^  Meaoi  ai  ^hofe  VejQfds  i  and  wcr.e  informed^ 
that  the  Board  at  China  had  Money  tendered  to  them,  from  [^rlv;(te  Per/» 
foos  as  well  as  Servanu  of  the  Company,  from  all  Parts  of  India :  That 
there  were  feveral  RemictaDcesfr9a[i!lnd«<iridual5,  which  he  had  Opportu* 
nity  to  know  of ;  but  that  they  never  aflitd  whofe  Property  it  was,  but 
only  the  Name  of  the  Petfon  to  whoi6  it  was  wiihed  it  ihould^.be  r€^ 
mitted  :  That  the  Cadi  paid  in  does  not  always  belong  to  the  Perfon  who 
pays  it  in :  That  he  heard  of  Mone/  being  font  by  CojUBtry  Ships,  but 
that  the  Board  takes  no  Notice  of  Country  Ships,  having  no  concern  with 
them  ;  and  that  they  fometimes  pay  into  the  Company's  Cadi,  fometimf  s 
to  Foreigners;^  and  that  large  Sums  are  frequently  paid  into  furcign 
Treafii^ies,  which,  though  a.difficttU  Matter,  fliout4  be  put  a  Stop  to  frooi 
Home»  as  that  would  oenefit  the  Company. .  Mr.  Bevao,  alfo  informftd 
Your  Committee,  that  he  did  not  of  his  own  Knowledge  koOw  of  ^.py  fp$* 
cific  Sums  remitted  by,  or  on  Account  of,  any  lodiviquals  from  Madras  ^r 

Bengal. Matthew  Raper,    £ii)aire,    another   Supercargo,    confirmed 

Captain  Foxhall  and  Mr.  Pigou*s  Accoont,  r«fpe6king  the  Sum  dated  in  tha 
2d  Report  (Page  3a)  to  have  been  paid  in  to  him  and  his  Partner,,  on  Sir 
Thomas  Rombold's  Account  %  and  proved,  that  the  Portion  belonging  jo 

».  P  A  R  L  I  A  M  E  N  T  A  *  y  A,  rjBt^ 

Sir  ¥k^0t  Moorot  was.  of  iht  Value  of  j^%  466  loi.  ^d.    He  mho  con- 

Urmtd  the  precediag  Tefii^doiiyy  re(pe{iing  the  tof oKation  of:  Money  by- 
tbe  Seahorfe  ;  which^  kaviixg  been  fe&c  up  to  tbe  Fadory»  ''  He  did  oo| 
**  kaow  ^hat  it  wasj  ^  it  ^as  not  all  Pabiic  Money.** 

iuSomj^  Tiirtber  Light  way  afforded  to  Your  Comnittee,  by  the  Te£monf 
of.  Mt,  JPetrie^  relpe^ag.  the  Frefeot  of  a  Lack  of  Rupees,  flated  io  th« 
zd  Report  (P.  34.}  to  have  been  fecnred  to  Mr.*  Redhead,  the  prii^ate  Se- 
ife«»ry.of  Sir  Thomfis  j^umWdi  by^  Sjtteram  Rfia^»  w^ilil  he  was  af 

Madras.  .  ■     ', 

; .^That  Qentteman  a(;<|4iaiiited  your  Committee^  That  he  Wfm  One  of  the. 
*.^    .  Executors  of  Mr.  Redhead ;  that  there  was  a  difputfsd  At4 

Sgp|demental  tide  in  the  Will,  relating  to'  a  Sum  of  Mooey  claiRie^ 
fipp^nd}^  to  from  Si»eram  Raoze ;  and  th^t  it  appeared  to  be  a  Sum  of 
i&  Repon*  K  Money  promifed  bySittei;aiBRau2e,or  his  Agent,  to  Mr* 
• : .    D»  Redhead,  for  certain  Services  to  be  rendered  by  l^im ;  Bu^ 

tbatft  being  abfeat  from  Madras  on  Public  Servjcf,  h^ 
left  the.  Execujtofilhip.  entirely  to  Mfh  Brodie,  his  Co-execiitocy.  :an4 
coulli^tberefore.^nly  fay«  that  he  believed  tbe^  Services  tq  have  .been 
ihe  ^pc;pniiplifl\ing  of  cert^o  Points  for  Sitteram  ^auze  at  the  Pre£dcncy,'  * 
through  his  (Mr.  j^iedhead'S)  Influence;  that  he  had  a  Copy  of  the  Agree* 
inent  itfelf,  iraDiliiced  from  the  Original  by  a  Perfon  whom  he  knew  well, 
,9nd  ^believes  tDl).e  estaA  ^f«MCh  which  Mu  Ftu^i^  fof miked  Vour  Gowmit^ 
4ee^  ai|<i  which  ii^icy  £ad  to  be  as  follows ;  ,/ 

^tmjhiiion  af  nfi  JgtufHiHi  granted  fy  Stu^^amm  M4Uf4iratc  u  Mt,  Rtd-* 

*"  had,  datid  rji  fidy  47^.     '•'  "^ 

I  SeeteramfBz  Md>isRi»i&  do  hei«by>agrotl  t&'pay  One  Lack  of  Kapees, 
«»  a  Prefent  to  Mr.  Redhead,  ^m  AccoiiMt  ef  '^s  Affiftante  in-the  ibiiow- 
*itrg;  ^Wa&ri  viz*     .' 

*      \^i  t  I  .  '  T.I 


That  he  A)0«ld  €dit(e  io 'pWdefor^l^et^DowIs  ^hstl  «aai>t  from  th« 
^ompaby  to  tf>y  R&|a,  &o  the  NiMieof  <Ga)i]patee :  That h«  ih0ufl4  pro- 
*coi^'Ci>wl8  of  Jamabundy,  in  the  Name  01^  G^apatee  : 

'    'That  he  Ok^^  tae<k  JNi  fic^oSn  the  C^Ontrierof  Anachapallee  and  Se- 
f  havii^am  with>  my  Couatry  or  JeroeeiiKlaty,  and  ko  grant  the  CoWl  lor  th« 

(  I 

'  That  he-ihoirl^  eaufe  to  remove  th>6^e|>oye  from  tny  Fort,  and  deliver 
the  Fort  to  me  tic^()e  4S  my  ewo,  wich^^n  Order;  and  aifo'  to  caofe  me 
ind  my  Brbtiher  to  be  f^  i^endfy  Mstoner  With  one  another,  cmd  to  aiSft 
in  fuch'feverar  ottier  ASafrs : 

'  '  And  as  For  the -above- mentioned  Oiie  Lack. of  Rupees,  he  has  received 
"'"t:  Bbnd  of  io,rH>d  Pagodas  of  the  ^amarawoo ;  the  Particular  of  which 
'■^  h^  fellows  :• '•  v.'-     /.  .    .. /-^ 

• •  ^  >    .  Ho 

Hd  tode  Iff  on  hfrnftif^  oh  4cebont  oF  Ciptain  Lyftglity  to  ply  i^  SlAit* 
(Shamarawoo)  Pagodas  2540;  wlridb,  upon  dedi^ng  «utof  the  above* 
tQ>ooo  Pagodas,  rbeferemaias  7460  Pagodas»  aad  tite  Intiereft  of  WItkll* 
h  400  pagodas,  bodi  together  is  7860  PagodA?^  ^hkh  nakes*  at.f$& 
llttpees'per  lOQ  Pagodas*  is  Rupees  279^1*  8  AnaSs.  For  this  Sttla  t 
^ofed  Sny  firo|tier  to  give  hi;n  a  Receipt;  aiidaa  for  the  Reiiiaioikr'of 
Rupees  7101S,  S  Aaas,  I  &all  pay  bioi  Rapees  |ao«8.  8  Aaas  at  the 
iTtlaeof  my  fetttfig  oat  from  lience  to  my  .Country  9  aad  the  reftoF^ht* 
Balaace  of  ;o,ooo  Rope«s«  1  ftdl  ftad  it  by  the  Wiiy  of  Bitta  cfiEX'* 
change  opon  Sodcars,  *and  thcirl  fball  redeem  my  A^emeac  frofli-hiai^ 

Thus  i  WilUngly  gilre  this  Agoeeflieni  to.  faimi  iigttcd  by 

Jeoieeandcr  Raja  S^eianflms.  Baha&uy 

Mana  Saltan. 

« • 

1 1 

By  what  has  been  (Fated  In  the  Second  HtpOrt  already  prefehtetf  t4 
the  tfoufe,  it  appear^,  that  SStteffam  {^attse  had  been  faccefsful  11^  tai^; 
iftg  the  Points  which  he  was  dcfit-om  of.Mr.  Redhyad*ir  good  dfEetriA 
the  Profecution  of;  anrf  his  fdfpidogs  OjmJud'*fetHl  after  riiii.^ikteB, 
whea  d  dangerQos  JlevoU  broke  out  at  Viz^gapatam,  has  beeo  2d\^t^ 
16,  which  is  further  evinced  by  th^  following  DocuhieiTts.  The  Chief  ^ 
Ganjain 'Wrote,  on  the  ^ih  OQoW  1780,  the' folfowing. Letter  to  VhseranI 
kauze,  w'hofe  Conduct  towar6s'^e  Cotf>pan}r  had,  met  with' their  O)^ 
inendatioD,  ,         '  * ' 

■  "  'I  have  heard  with  Attohilhtntnt  of  the  Whtitiy  kt'^MgapatHtti,  sfh^ 
'*^*  the  Confinement  of  the  Chief  and  fome  othet  Gentlemert,  In  brdeV 
^*  to  fupprefs  and  puniKh  (hi^  wlcki^d  AB/ 1  have  ordered  a  Force  to  pf6L 
**  ceed  immediately  to  VizagapAtStn(i>  undtr  th'c  •Cbmiiiawd  of  CifiiRfi 
••*  Bruce;  and  I  charge  ydu,  as  yoti  traiue  the  "Company's ' Fairouf,  and 
^'  confider  your  own  Welfare,  that  you  vemHir  every  Affitance  •m'ybiAr 
*'  Power,  by  fending  your  Troops  t6"  jpih  ouri  ih  redtrcing  thcfc  fai^Kleft, 
^  ungratfeful  Villains.  There  i^  an  Oppbrtunlty  for  you  to  difKngoift^ 
*«  and  recommend  yourftW  to  thfe  Pavomr  of  .the  EngJift,  and  I  haVeiM)^ 
"  a.p.bubt  but  yoa  will  acquit  yourfelf  in  an  hono|irabl6  Manner  to  the 
*•  SatisFaaion  of  the  honodraWe^tjard*^  Maiflwrs.  Xtt  me  hear  of '^our 
f  *  Welfafc,  tliat  I  may  j'ejoicfc.'*       '       '''     ^     '  <'t' 

•    '^'    •         r.--^.  •  ^  .    .  .  •       .    :•., 

N6t*vith*a^ihg  the  Urgmy  of  J^he  Nboeffity  «*ich  this  Letter  aH(} 

other  Documents  Evince,  the  CotideA  of  Sitteiftaui  Raoae,  who  hud  heixi 

•in  every  Ihftancefai^eored  tft  his  Brbther*^  B3tpeftee>  did  not  eonrefpottd 

with  the  Degree  of  Fafvoor  W'hich  had  been  flie«m  him,  bat  agrees  ^vith 

the  Charader  gifcn-Of  liim  by  'fhe  Commh!tee<Of  vCircatrv  flated  ia  the 

Second  Report-     On  the  5^4th  Odober  178c,  the  Chief  and  Coaneil  Of 

Vizagapatam,  in  a  Letter  df  that  Date,  troatiif^  of  'the  Mminy  which  hid 

broken  Out  there,  ilate  the  Mlowiag'  Ptfrticulats  t   <^  Wtthoac  the  \ei^ 

**  Partiality  of  our  Opinions,  the  Behavtoor  of  ^tt«mfl(i  Rae^Oi  fv0m  fhe 

/;  Tiw€  of  his  Return  to  this  Diftridt,  now  upwards  of  Twenty  Days^  is 

■  ^     •  ."•  '   ■  ■  ■       V      *^'   -•"  .     •***  by 

P  ARUAMIN'T  A  rv  A.  1782. 

«*  %y  %io  Meitit  fitisfaftory ;  he  lias  obferVed  a  Referee,  which-  at  this  . 
^  Tine  bettays  at  any  Rate  an  Indifferance  that  is  taconfiftent ;  Two  or 
**  Three  unmeaning  Letters  accompanying  iome  Horfes  and  Plonder 
*^  thnwro  away  by  the  Modneers ;  and  obferviBg  in  another  Addrefs, 
**  that  he  was  colleding  Money ;  is  all  that  pailed  between  the  Chief  andt 
**  him.  He  acknowledgea  the  Receipt  of  a  Letter,  defiriog  the  Motineers 
'*  ihottld  be  intercepted^  and  fiiys;  that  be  has  Written  to  ihe  Zemindan 
**  tindeir  him  t  Yee  not  one  of  the,  Mutineers,  has  been  taken  by  the  Ra. 
<*  jah^s  People,  al^ngh  they  had  timely.  Advice,  and  we  know  for, a 
^*  certaiin  Faift  it  has  been  in.  their  Power.  All  theie  Rcfle&ions  have 
**  induced  us  to  direct  the  Chief  to  write  to  Sitteram  Rauze,  to  ftate  the 
*'  Account  of  Arrears,  nd  to  make  a  fofficient.  Demand  to  ai^er  all 
**  immediftcc  £xpenGe«/'  J  .    . . 

•  •»•■»».  '         • 

Your  Committee  find.  That  Mn  Sadlier  above  mentioned,  who  was  fiif- 
peaded  from  his  Office. in  Council  *  by.  ibc  caiUog  Voce  of  Mr..  WhitehiJi, 
joined  by  Sir  Heaor  Monro,  agaiaft  jthofe  iof  MciTrs.  Johnfon  and  Smith, 
^r  the  Reafons  and  in  the  Manner  fiai^ed  }n  the  Fhft  Report  (Pages  13, 
I4»  IS»  K^>  ^^^  .*^)>  a^Urc^  the  Chairman  of  the  Court 
pi  PirefU>n»  acquainting  him  by  Letter  with  his  whole  Condu£l,  from 
the  Time  of  his  Entrance  into  the  Coropany*s  Service,  down  to  the  Time 
of  his  S4fpenEon ;  the  Caufe.  of  which  he  alleges  to  have  been  the  Free- 
jdcmr  vyithjWhich  he  gave  his  Opinion  in  Council  upon  the  bad  ConduA 
of  tlie  Government,  but  which  bis  Adverfaries  allege  to  have  been  ne- 
ceflary  by  Reafon  of  his  Intemperance,  which  tended  to  few  Sedition  and 
Oefpood^ncy  amoi^  the  Inhabitants  of  Madru.  In  ftating  the  whole 
.Conrfeo^  hb  upright  Condudl  and  Fidelity  to  the  Interefls  of  his  Em- 
jployers,  Voor  Conamittee  find,  That  this  Gentleman  dwells  particularly 
xm  the;early  Proof  which  he  gave  of  his  own  DifiQiereftednefs,  and  of  hts 
:Peiire  to  put  an  End  to  the  Pra£tice  of  receiving,  undue  Emoluments  in 
the  Chie&hip  of  Mafulipatans,  to  which  he  had  been  appointed  in'Apri) 
1778 ;  and  complains  that  his  Endeavours  were  rendered  fruitlefs,  by  the 
I^egleS  of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold*  then  Governor,  to  take  Advantage  of 
.the  information  which  he  cooununicated  (o  |kim» 

^  On  the  13th  of  January  1 781,  Mr.  Sadlier  wrote  the  Letter  alluded 
to,  from  Madras  to  the  Chairman  of  the  Court  of  Dire£lors,  which  w^a 
accompanied  by  a  Copy  of  a  Letter  which  he  had  addreiTed  to  Sir  The-* 
masRumbold,  when  Governor,  dated  cth  of  May  1778,  in  which  he 
told  him,  '*  The  indofed  Paper  Will  fee  you  into  the  Arcana  of  the 

'  **  SwcctSs  of  this  Chief^hip ;'  it  i&  communicated  to  you  in  Proof  of  the 
**  Cooidence  Which  I  repofe  in  you,  and  in  Teffimony  that  I  mean  not 
*'  to  keep  Secret  any  Adion  which  you  may  fappoTe  can  influence  my 
**  Cqhdudl;  your  honourable  Support  of  me  againft  Volumes  of  the 
"  bafeft  Defamation,  claims,  and  it  &all  have  it,  this  honourable  and 
*'  candid  ConduA  from  me— The  Rapacity  and  Peculation  of  Men  haa 
'*  nearly  ruined  this  Country  ;  the  Misfortune  it  is  now  involved  in  ori- 
*'  ginates  from  foch  Principlesi  and  its  EfieAs  may  have  brought  in  pif> 
'*  tre/Tes,  poffibly  not  to  be  reformed. 

*  See  Pflgei  13, 14, 1 5, 16, tad  17,  of  Farft  Report|  fphcre  tbii  TraaiaAion  is  fully  fttte^ 

*^  Th« 

A.  i7^».  D    E    B.   A    T    fc    8.  >$ 

**  The  Paper,  if  yoo  pleafe  may  be  defttoyed,  it  is  inttftdtd  ^af  io  (ke# 
*'  the  unfoafid  Groattd  yoa  treJid  io» 

**  Intereft  with  me  towiardi  yoa  bears  no  Sway.  I  confidcr  my  Sitaa- 
**  tion  bot  temporary.  I  hope  pee  loo^  to  afford  you  a  better  Teftimony 
**  of  the  hearty  good  Difpofition  which  adoates  me  for  promotiog  the 
**  Honour  of  yoor  Goverament ;  yoa  have  therefore  but  to  fignify  to  me, 
^*  without  Referve,  what  you  wiih,  aad  depend  on  its  bmroiiig  oy 
«  Guide." 

No.  3.  The  Paper  which  is  nfcrred  to  as  indofed  bv  Mr. 

Supplemental  Sadlier*  appears  to  be  an  Account  delitrered  to  him  by 
Appendix  to  Vencatatogaloo,  the  Coomany's  Dabafli  and  Chief  In. 
2d  Report.         terpreter;  Tranflations  ofwhidi  were  feat  to  SirTho* 

mas  Rumbold. 

Floyer's  private  Bargsi  ,     _         , 

Settlement  of  Three  Years  with  the  Zemindars  and  Renters  during  the 
Years  1 1 86,  1 1 87,  and  1 1 88,  according  to  the  Computation  of  that  Coan« 
try,  and  correfponding  to  the  Years  1773,  i774»  1775  of  the  Chriftm 
Computation,  or  thereabouts.  In  the  Supplemental  Appendix,  the  Ac» 
count  ^tfelf  will  be  found,  wherefore  Your  Committee  will  here  only  ftate 
the  Totals  from  that  Account ;  by  which  it  appears,  that  the  totat  Som' 
ftipulated  to  be  paid  to  Mr.  Floyer,  by  the  di^rent  Tributaries,  for  hit 
own  private  Ufe,  amounted  to  13^,886  ** Pagodas  and  a  Pfadion 
(1.  t.  £.  54,354  Sterling),  of  which  50,364  Pagodas  were  paid  {£.  20,944 
Sterling),  and  85,^24  Pagodas  (about  £.  34^210),  were  owing  at  the  Time 
svhei)  this  Account  was  inade  up.  By  a  ieparate  Account,'  Mr.  Fioyer'a 
further  Stipulation  for  his  own  private  Advantage,  appears  to  have  amount* 
ed  to  11,010  Pagodas  (equal  to  j^.  4,409  Sterling)  of  which  7,055  Pago- 
das  were  received  {£.  2,822  Sterling),  and  8^J'5  ftgodas  due  (i.  e» 

£*  3,582  Sterling). Mr.  Statham,  the  Salt  Renter  of  this  Diftria»  ia 

alfb  dated  to  have  paid  6,000  Pagodas  (£.  2,400)  for  One  Yearls  Leafe» 
80  that  by  this  Account  it  appears,  that  Mr.  Fibyer^s  Secret  Emolnmenta 
a^ually  received,  including  the  Gratuity  from  Mr.  Statham»  amounted  to 
£•  25^360 ;  and  that  the  Arrears  at  the  Time  of  making  np  this  Accoant» 
in  May  1778,  amounted  to  £•  37,742. 

The  fame  Paper  a](b  contains  an  Account  of  the  private  Emoluments  paid 
to  Mr.  Whftehill,  on  Account  of  a  Settlement  made  for  three  Years  pre* 
ceding  the  former  one;  viz.  the  Years  1  r83,  11 84,  and  1 185,  correfpood* 
ing  to  1770,  177T1  !772>  amounting  in  the  Whole  to  192,261  Pagodas 
and  a  Fra^on  (/V  /« £*  77*405  Sterling^. 

*  It  further  dates,  that  Mr.  Q^C.  (which  Your  Committee  fiAd  mUnt 
Quintin  Crawfurd)  received  on  his  own  private  Account  38,100  Pagodas 
(^.  J  5,240) ;' and  that  the  Opportunity  afforded  to  Mr»  Crawfurd  for 


^  P  A  R  Iri  A  M  E  fl  T  A  R  Y  A.  f7ft: 

mriviogtUieie  EmolQineotSy  it  thai  cxprdU  in  the  TranfladiMi  travimitted 
liy'Mr.  Sadlier  to  Sir  Thomas  Ruiti.lH)14  P  '*  Mr.  Q.  C.  who  not  fettled 
«<  Zemaband/y  only  colleaed  the  Six  Kifts  of  the  Third  Year  of  Mr. 
•<  WhitehU)'-8  Zeovibuodyr  aod  alio  the  Three  Kids  of  Second  Year/-i 
Trom  wheoce  ittbould  feem,  t^at  if  oo^  Chi^  feulcd  the  Tribute  for  « 
f  lyea  Space  of  Tixne,  aod  upon  hi3  Hemoval  another  fliould  colled  it^ 
Dew  fin4  additional  Pe/quiiites  wcfe>demaAded  of  ihcr  Renten  and  Z^viiti- 
'i^n  by  the  new  CoUedor* 

Your  Committee  alfo  find,  that  this  Account  contains  further  Receipts 
of.Mr*  Flayer'i^  amouating^  to  ,27.875  ?4godts{£.  11^1^6)^  under  the 
following  Title :  *«  Mr.  Floyer  came  the  Third  Year  of  Mr.  Whiiehili's 
««  2;eipQ^undy,  who  coUeeUd  tha  Three  Kifts  of  the  Third  Year  Zegia-" 
**  bundy  at  the  Time,  who  demanded  10  receive  privatf  Bufinefo,  ^^  Mr* 
••  Crawfurd.'* 

,  Wh^o  Your  Committee  compared  the  Namas  of  thofe  Zemindarr  as 
above  mentioned*  whom  Mr«  Sadlier  defcribes  as  very  greatly  embarrafltd 
|n  their  Circamfiance.*,  and  thereby  diftrefied  for  Means  to  obey  the  Sum* 

J  ions  to  Madra3>  with  thofe  by  iJhom  the  private  Emolumeou  of  Mr» 
.  ^y^^  Mr.  Whitehill,  and  Mr.  Crawford,  were  fumifited  (in  their  refpec- 
five  Capacities  of  Settlers  or  CoUcdors),  they  were  found  to  be  compre* 
bended  in  both  Catalogues. 

No.  4*  Your  Committee  find,  that  the  Receipt  of  the  Letter 

Supplemental  above  mentioned,  containing  this  important  Information^ 

Appendix  to  zd  wai  acknowledged  by  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold,  in  a  Letter 

Report.  dated  the  aoth  May  1778,  in  the  following  Terms : 

**  I  (hoold  have  replied  to  your  Letter  of  the  5th  Infiant  ibooer,  had  I 
.  ^  not  obferved  that  there  was  no  Probability  of  oar  Orders  to  the  Zemins 
^  dars  not  having  the  Efied  we  expeded,  and  that  ohimately  they  muil  be 
"  convinced,  of  the  Propriety  of  an  implicit  Obedience  to  the  Orders  of 
^  this  Goverameoa ;  and  I  have  no  Donbt  will  experiefice  the  Advan^ 
**  tages  of  the  new  Mcafmre*  I  am  much  obliged  by  your  AcopoDt  of  the 
^  2^indars»  the  Sjuue  of  their  Countries,  Finances^  &c»  Your  Infbrm- 
^  ation  has  thrown  much  Light  upon  this  SubjeA  {  and  though  t  cannot 
*^  fee  the  bad  Confequences  that  are  ^o  follow  from  the  Zemindars  being  or.^ 
**  dered  here  to  fettle  their  Jommabundy,  iultead  of  fixing  it  at  the  dif¥er- 
**  ent  Chiefshipsy  yet  I  beg  you  will  be  aifured,  1  am  no  lefs  ieniible  of 
'*  the  good  Intention  with  which  you  have  freely  given  me  your  Opinion* 
^f  .-^If  apy  Failure  happens  in  the  Payment  of  their  JCifts,  the  fixigenqiea 
«•  of  your  Government  miXft  be  fuppUed  firom  hence ;  but  I  ftm  willing  t» 
*'*  -believe  you  will  not  require  our  AflifUoce, 

*^  As  to  the  Money  due  to  the  Soubah,  you  will  receive  our  Inftroc* 
**  tioAs  on  this  Head  before  yon  difcharge  the  Balance." 

N<^«  5.  In  another  Letter,  dated  aTth  of  May  17789  Sir 

Supplemental  Thomas  Rumbold  exprefles  his  Obligation  to  Mr«  Sud- 
Ajppendixt0  2d  tier,  for  his  Zeal  in  forwarding  tha  Mei^fura  of  obliging; 
'^^goiU  the  Zemindars  to  repair  tb^Madras, 

3  *  Yoor 

4.  hih  *  E  B  A  f  E:  i  if, 

Yoar  QqauBltc^  atfo  E^d,  that  the  Aatb^ntictty  o(^  t^t  Let(er>9 

NOr  3«     s^^d   ^a;o^^t9  j^^ove  ipentkmed,  were  verified  by  Mr*  Sadlief^^ 
«      Vy  ^  ^<^^vit  to  be  found  in  No.  j,  Suppl e menial  A ppeodilu 

Yoor  Committee  do  not  Md^  that  the  dfflcial  Intelligence  cotnmunica-  ^ 
t^  by-Mf*  Sadlitr,  was  made  the  GrOa^d  pf  ahy  inqmrfol:  Reforinatioii 
daring  tj^^e-  Goyerhtnent  of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold  or  Jlijlr.  Whitehill  |  bi; 
thecontir^r}^!)  they  find  that  Mr;  Sadliei  addrefTdd  a  Letter  m  the  Council 
ci  Mad.ra!|,  on  the  8th, of  Jan^arj  1781,  afcribing  the  Poverty  of  thc^ 
{»^b|ic  Tre^fury  to  the  Peculationr  pradliied  by  [qdiviflgalij  while  th^  Ba« 
lapces  due  at  M^^fulipatam  amounted  to  upwards  of  Four  Lacks  of  P^go« 
43»>  a^.wo.i^ld  s^p^e^r  b);  the  Account^,  to  which  he. referred.  In  thi^ 
L^tt^f  he  qfg^d  the  Council  with  great  ^arneftneis^  to  ei^uiire  into  thi 
Copcju£^  of  his  Pred^ceHqrs^   Wbifh  h^d,  ifi  his  Opinion^    contribute4. 

fJrf  at^y  fo  the  prefept  Qiftrefs ;  dpdaripg,  that  a  Negled  o(  Enquiry  and 
^rbfecption  would  ^e  Treachery  to  their  ^mplpyers^  **  ll^r.  WhitehilU 
*f  fays  hl^t  if  Qow  at  ^adras,  and  is  gpoi)  th^  Poiojt  t\f  p^parture  for 
"  Europe  and  if  the  Qovernmeqc  allow  him  to  depart  with  fu^h  Inforpl* 
'f  atipn  agajnA  him,  bi^fore  he  is  aequitted  by  the  Forms  of  ^aw^  I  fub4 
**  roic  it  to  the  Opinion  of  the  Board,  l)pw  far  their  ^mplo^er^  thSiy  thilik 
*.*  them  refppnfible  for  the  Confjcquencesi  , 

**  If  ii^  Company ^s  Servants  have  been  guilty  bf  PfeCulatioi)  In  O^ce^ 
«•  --•if  they  lUve  abufed  the  Truft  repof(?d  in  tbcm»r"i^  ^}  *^^^s  Abufai 
M  they  h^vp  brought  pitl^oppuf  upon  th^ii  Country  {  l^t  it  be  ijnagined 
**  how  much  the  Opinion  of  their  freachery  may  have  laid  the  Founda- 
f  tiop  of  qqr  pref^t  Reverfe  of  portune^  and  what  Influedc^  it  ipay 
f*  h%v$  ipfj^Kyre,  not  opl);  to  check  th<(  Company'^  Cr^djr,  but,  ff-om  4 
f*'  Want  of  Dependance  upon  qCir  Government,  to  prevent  thof^  AlJianceA 
*f  with  the  Cpunuy  ^owerf,  which  at  prefent  feem  fo  efledtial  to  otti 
«?  Afi^frs. 

,.  **  t  have  ^li-ieady  urged*  that  th^  beff  Foundation  for  j^ublic  Spirit  ti 
**  Public  Jaflic^..  Mr.  Wbiiehill  ^pld  the  hrfl  Station  in  the  Compapy.'a 
**  Service  ^poi^  thjs  Cpaft  at  ^^f  T^ime  when  theii-  Affairs  fufFered  th^ 
'•*  greateli  R^yerfe^  and  if  it  is  proved,  that  he  is  one  Caufe  from  which 
f*  pur  ^v^^  ^^  ptriginaxed^  {  (ubi][^it  it  to  the  Boafd,  whether  he  ihpul4 
*^  not  receive  Pnniihnv^nt  ^c^ox^iug  ig  Law.  bpth  as  an  Example  to  thofi^ 
'*  who  hold  Truft,  and  that  we  may  give  our  Friends  and  otir  Eriei&iei 
f  an  Opi^ipii  ^f  pur  Jjifti^^fe.^*        • 

Frpm  ttl^efe  Docameijts,  it  Ippe^fed  to  Your  Coiihmitte<if,  that  ^arlir  id 
SU  Tho9)as  Rtimbpld's  Oovernor^entf  Information  was  comrouriicatea  t<j^ 
Jhim  of  the  Practices  by  whidi  the  Chiefs  of  Mafolipat^m  enriched  them^^ 
ielves,  to  which  the  Poverty  ^nd  Diilrefs  of  that  Settiea)«fent  were  in  a  ereal 
)^eafure  ascribed -^T^^t  this  Communication  was  m^de  by  the  Chief  nimf 
f^9  ^whpfe  §caciqn  gave  him  the  beH  Opportantty  of  diicbveridg  thoff 
f^riA(kifisSf  ahd  whpf&  Duty  made  it  incjtimbent  on  him  to  difclofe  them  t^i 
jtb^  X^aytrpfi^i^\ ,f  ^d  that  his  Information  was  derived  from  the  Com^ 
^jKiy^s  jpuj^i^,  who  was  neceffarily  acquainted  with  the  TranfadtiofDtf 
4wbicb  took  place  on  fettlii^g  x]bp  tJTri^ute  with  his  Predeceflbr^  :  I^ouvith^ 
:fif^ii9g  vthlfl^  f^  Step#  apgpa^,  ip  have  been  taken  by  the  Governor^ 

ife  P  A  R  1  I  A  M  E  'N  T  A  R  y  A*  1782. 

elthel'  to  inqaire  into  the  Ahafes  dated  by  Mr«  Sadlier,  or  to  lay  this  Ia« 
foi-mation  before  the  Seleft  Committee  or  Council  at  large,  or  in  any  way 
to  proceed  upon  it,  or  that  it  was  ever  communicated  to  the  Court  of 
Diredors  by  the  Governor. 

That  the  Pfefidency  of  Madras  was  in  fa6l  much  diftrefled,  by  reafon 

of  the  inconfiderable  Collc^ions  of  Territorial  Rcvc- 

No«  7.         nue  under  Mafolipatam,   appears  to  Your  Committee, 

Supplemental        from  Paragraph  7.  of  the  Letter  in  their  CivirDepart- 

Appendix  to  2d     ment  from  thence,   dated  9th  January  1781.     '^  The 

Report.  "  Difappointments,  we  experienced  from   the  inconfi' 

^*  derable  Colledtions  made  for  ibme  Time  paft  of-your 
*^  Territorial  Revenue  under  Mafulipatam,  and  the  heavy  Charges  incur- 
**  red  of  late  by  the  War  with  Hyder  Ally  Cawn,  having  laid  us  under  the 
**  Necellity  of  appropriating  all  our  Refources  to  the  defraying  Military 
**  Expencesy  have  been  the  Mftans  of  impeding  your  Inveftment,  and  have 
**  even  obliged  us  to  put  a  Stop  to  the  Provifion  of  it  for  the  prefent;  in- 
'^  deed,  the  Troubles  now  (ubfifling  in  the  Carnatic,  render  it  xmpoflible 
V'  for  the  Weavers  about  Madras  and  Cudalore  to  work ;  we  have,  how- 
*'  ever,  been  able  to  give  almoft  a  full  Loading  to  the  Duke  of  Kxngflon, 
**  and  hope  to  fend  your  Honours  12  or  1300  fiales  more,  in  the  Courfe 
*'  of  next  Month,  or  in  the  Month  of  March,  fhould  the  Governor  Ge- 
**  neral  and  Council  be  able  to  fupply  us  with  Tonnage  for  that  Purpoie, 
**  agreeably  to  a  Requeft  we  made  them  in  our  Letter  8th  ultimo/' 

This  further  appears  to  Your  Committee,  from  another  PaiTage  in  the 
fame  Letter,  in  which  the  Sele^  Committee  obferve,  *'  That  when  the 
**  enormous  outftanding  Balances  of  the  Zemindars  and  Renters,  inftead 
^*  of  bcii'ng  greatly  decreafed  as  they  flattered  themielves  would  have  been 
**  the  Cafe,  had  on  the  contrary  been  fuf^ered  to  augment  coniidetably, 
*'  and  at  this  Time  adtually  amount,  including  Teeps,  to  M.  Psigodas 
^'  IS»2  8,997  ;  they  cannot  agree  with  Mr.  Cottesford,  that  nothing  has 
**  been  left  undone  which  the  Chief  and  Council  had  the  Power  of  doing,'* 
And  in  this  Letter  they  exprefs  therofelves  as  greatly  dtfobliged  at  Mr. 
Cottesford's  Determination  to  return  to  Europe  on  Board  of  a  Daniih 
Ship,  on  Account  of  his  alleged  bad  State  of  Health. 

No.  8.  Your  Committee  find,  that  a  Revenue  Letter  of  the. 

Supplemental  fame  Date,  afibrds  a  very  linking  Proof  of  the  Difficulty 
Appendix  to  2d  with  which  the  Colledlion  of  the  Revenue  was  made  in 
Report.  Ma'fulipatam.     The  Seledl  Committee  in  that  Letter  re- 

prefent,  that  the  Zemindars  having  been  collected  there 
in  1780,  to  fettle  their  Payments  due,  had  fo  often  evaded  the  delivering 
of  their  Teeps  (or  PromifTory  Notes),  that  it  became  necefTary  to  try  what 
EfFed  a  Shew  of  coercive  Meafures  would  have ;  and  that  Sepoy  Guards 
were  aflually  placed  upon  their  Perfons ;  and  that  **  it  was  hoped  this 
'•  Appearance  of  Severity  would  induce  the  Zemindafs  td^xcrt  ihemfelvea 
**  in  the  DiCbharge  of  their  Balances;  but  left  it4hould^not,  they.ba4 
i"  authorized  the  Chief  and  Council,  in  -the  laft  Extremity,  to' adopt  a 
•**  Plan  -which  they  had  themtelves  fuggefted*,  which  ivasi^-cither  to  take 
'^  PofTcilioni  in  the  Name  of  the  Company,  of  their  feveral*CouVitries» 

^  a«tii 

A.  ^78^/  DEBATE    S..     ^  17 

^'  nntil  tbey.procared  BilU  for  thetr  feTeral  Payments,  in  or^et  to  foite 
'*  tnem  to,  em  ploy  every  Reibarce  they  poiTefTed,  to  fatisfy  the  jttft  De« 
*^  mands  of  the  Company  ;  or  to  imprefs  them  with  an  Idea,  thac  if  they 
''  did  not  provide  their  Teeps  at  a  certain  Period,  fhortly  after  the  gather- 
•*  ing  in  of  Harveft,- the  beginning  of  the  enfuiog  Year,  they  had  given 
^^  ^"^^^"'y  ^°  ^^^  Chief  and  Coancil  to  feize  on  the  Crppa,  and  to  kee^ 
*'  foiTeffign  of  them  until  the  Teeps  were  produced."  This  Letter  iiateji^ 
that,  after  much  Difpute,  Five  Teeps  had  at  length  been  Qbtained,  9r 
inounting  to  Pagodas  38£i>988  (which  dedudled  from  i^fiSt^gj^  leaves,  a 
Balance  behind  of  11,39,609  Pagodas) ;  and  complains  of  Want  of  Vigotir 
in  the  Chief  and  Council,  in  the  Matter  of  CoIle<^iori8, 

Your  Committee  further  find*  from  a  Letter. of  Mr.  Sadlier  to  the 
Chairman  of  the  £a(l  India  Company,  dated  30th  November  1780,  tbit- 
upon  the  Eve  of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold's  Departure,  an  Interview  took 
place  between  Sir  Thomas,  Sir  He^or  Monro,  Mr.  Whitehill,  and  Mr* 
Sadlier  ;  which  i^  here  dated  in  Mr.  Sadlier's  own  Woi^ds  : 

**  A  few  days  before  the  Departure  of  Sir  Thomas  Rqmbold  for  Europe,  ' 
**  and  quite  unprepared  for   the  Event,   I   was  called  into  a   privatb 
**  Room,  where  Sir  Thomas,  Mr.  Whitehill,  and  Sir  Hector  Monro,  were 
**  aflembled  before  me.     In  this  Situation  1  was  accofted  by  Sir  Thomas 
'^  to  the  fQllowing  Purport :  '*  That  he  heard  I  had  joined  Me^Trs.  Smith 
**  and  Johnfon  in  the  Intention  to  oppo/e  his  Meafures  after  his  Departure, 
*^  and  if  he  thought  that  this  really  was  my  Deiign,  he  would,  before  his  Die- 
**  partnfe,take  a  bold  Step,  by  preventing  my  fucceeding  to  Council." — Thus 
**  then  I  found  myfelf  in  Danger  of  being  deprived  of  a  Station  to  which 
**  1  was  entitled  by  my  Standing,  and  by  Years  of  Sei'vicei  I  was  to  be   . 
*^  robbed  of  the  honeil  Advantages  which  the  Company  has  annexed  'to 
<^  that  Station  ;  and  my  Character  was  in  Danger  of  being  murdered,  fp 
**  vindicate  this  Triple  Adt  of  Bafenefs,  Injuilice,  and  Cruelty*  ^ 

**  Though  my  Feelings  were  flrong,  I  had  Reafon  to  rejoice  tlTat  I  wta 
**  able  to  conceal  them  :  I  aiked  Sir  Thomas^  Where  he  had  his  informa- 
V  tion  ?  he  laid.  From  Report  only. — I  aiked.  If  I  deferved  Cenfitfe'in 
**  the  Station  held  under  him  as  Chief  of  Mafulipatam  ?  and  whether  he 
**  could  draw  any  Inference  to  my  Prejudice*  from  my  Manner  of  con- 
",  dudting  myfelf  in  that  Station?  he  anfwered.  That  fo  far  from  it,  I 
**  deferved  Praife.— 1  aiked  him.  Whether  I  had  at  any  Time  commutri** 
*V  cated  with  him  about  Meafures,  or  whether  he  was  informed  I  fen t  for 
'^  Records  aii|d  papers,  or  ufed  any  other  Means  by  which  I  might  acquire 
"  Information  ?  he  faid.  He  dkl  not  think  me  fo  communicative  concern. 
'*  ing  Meafures  as  I  ihould  have  beeii,  and  that  he  did  not  know  I  had  fent 
*'  for  any  Papers. — I  pat  the  fame  Queftions  to  Mr*  Whifehill  and  dir 
**  He6lor  Monro,  and  both,  anfwered  me  in  the  Negative;  upon  which! 
**  alTured  them,   that  1  had  maintained  an  equal  Referve  with  Meilirs. 
"  Smith  and  Johnfon.r— I  then  a&ed  Mr«  Whitehill,  Whether  daring  the 
<*  Time  I  had  ferved  with  him  in  Council,  previoui^  to  the  Arrival  of 
*^  MeiTrs.  Smith,  Johnfon,  and  Perring,  he  h^d  ^(eei).  any  Thing  in  my  ^ 
**  Cpndud  which  deferved  Cenfiure  ?  and  fie  aiTiired  me*  That  he  had  not* 
If  rrThtts  ended  the  {nquifitiooi  before  v/kQOk  I  neither  declared  or  diia- 

E  ?  "  "  vowed 


i»  PA5kj:,iAiyiElHtARy  a.  iy?a; 

i'  vowh!  my  S«itimcnt5-*^hc  InqaTfitoVs'Jjb*'ivcrfeeinef9  \o^  aWay  ft; 
f  iisfied  ;  and  a  few  Days  after,  upon  thie  Depaittare  of  Sir  Thomas,  1  Waj 
f*  fworn  in  as  19  Member  of  Council," 

Your  Cofflmittee  having  perofM  and  examined  all  rirc  M^tertala  ^kh 
lave  been  tranftnttted  to  the  Dfrcftors  of  the  Eaft  India  Company,  ince 
4ht  Conctn/Son  6f  tW  Iflfft  SefBon  pf  |*avliamcnt,  refpeding  the  Trca'y 
tcontlndfd  i»irh  Bizfelet  Jtiifg  by  ^ir  Thomas  fcambold,  and  iheNegcfcia- 
tioB  whh  the  Nizam  during  tb^t  Qetitl^inan's  Governm«Jnt,  fi'rtd,  th^t  Sfr 
"^yttQbtve^  in  ^  Mindte  <fptered  upon  the  Madras  Confultadons,  lach 
January  1 781,  afc^ibes  the  Inyafion  of  the  Carnatic,  in  a  great  Degree,  tb 
fhqfc  Mcafurcs.-T-Sir  Eyre  Qoote's  ftif inute  was  occafioned  b^  a  Paflagc  in 

the  General  Letter  from  that  Prcfjdcocy,  dattd  January 
Vide  "Srfppte.  "gth  1781,  whiph  afcribes  the  Caltimitifes  of  the  Carnatic^ 
lin^ntal  Affo^n^  in  ftrotig  Terms,  t6  the  T^*'''**^^  Wkr;  which  they  cott- 
4ix  to  id  Re-  iider  as  vifionary  in  iilfelf,  as  tending  to  unite  Hydcfr 
"pqrtf  No.  ^.  Aify  and  that  fowerfj-  who  wcfe'btfore  91  conftant  Va- 
riance with  each  other,  and  as  jaying  xhe  Foundation  of 
No.  5.  tJre  Confederacy  firmed  againft  the  Britfih  Intcrefts  ip 

tgapplcmcntal       Mindoftan.     ••  At  the  f^mc  Time  (fays  Sir  Eyre  Cobte) 
'Appendix  to  2d    *f  that  I  put  my  Signature  to  the  Geher^l  L'er^^^r  of  the 
Report.    '    «*  oth  of  January  1781,  1  muft,  in  Candor  and  in  Qon.- 
**  formhy  to  thofe  Opinions 'which  I'llave  both 'held 
f*  and  cixptefftd,  e^eeptagainft  one  Pirt  i6f  it,  and'whlth^fcrfWs  lijl  our 
•  ^  prefent  Misfortunes  to  the  Kfaratta  War. 

,  ?'  That  that  Mf^afure  may  firft  have  given  birth  to  the  Idea  of  a  gene*? 
f^  fal  PombiHatioh  of  the  Powers  of  Hindoftan  agairtft  us,  fwillnOtea- 
f*  deayopr  to  difprovc  j  but  that  to  Itilohe  we  owe  the  formidable  Iixcnr- 
♦•  4ian  <^f  Hyder  Ally  into  the  Cii'rfatic,  1  cannot  admit :  Firft,  bccaufe 

the  Marattas,  Hyder 

and  lyhich  our  Ope? 

vourite  Objefl,  and  which 

**  I  am  confident  he  would  never  have  quirted,  or  fought  for  a  Union 

*^  with  t]|e  Marat^as^gainll  us,  %ad  t)6t  our  Kegociations  with  Bazal^^ 

Jung,  about  (hjB  Gnntoor  Cirtar(on  which  }ie  had  alfo  Views),  and 

the  Mode  in  Whi^h  tl^ey  were  carried  on,    awakeped  his  Jealouiyi^ 

and  very  naturally  made  him  apprehend,  that  our  ddmate  Intentions 

f«  wetif?  to  poAefs  ot^rfelves  tof  fomie 'Part  of  his  Country.— Whilft  it  aor 

f*  fiyer^  nis  Purpofe  to  make  t^^ace  with  the  Mafattas,  in  order  that  his 

•*  Attentiot^  Jor  Strength  iijigbt  tp  no  Shape  be  diverted  from  providing 

V  eff^^ually  for  the  Security  of  hjs  oiyn  rerritories,  it  was  entirely  fuij- 

f*  able  io'the^ai'attas  In  ifhe}r*jhen  Situation,  as  it  enabled  them  to  dfredl 

f*  tMr  whol^'f^orceagafnO;  the  Opei-atiotis  of  pur  Army  under  Brigadier 

"  General  Godderd.     Wp  ^farmed  his  Fears  for  the  §afety  of  his  own 

*•  Country;  croiflSfd  -hiji'Viewf  upon  ttre  Gi^ntoorCircar,  which  lie' was 

f^  deUrdUs'of  tllycaining  in  Fofrip  ivbm  ^l^zralet  Jung*  '  That  an  able  Agent 

^Mntigl^t  imt  IW  Ihkniittg  to  ft rfient  thefe  Offences,  we'delifeefately  gj^ve 

«f  ^inbra|etp  thl(^Na|f»db  Ni^nn  ;  firfl, 'by  feeking  and  adlually  fubfcribr 

f<  ing  tQ  a  t^tentf  of  .Filendfhi^  wiih  his  Brother  and  Subjed  Bazalet 

ff  hingf  ^if^c^&iukikis'Cpnfenpr 'A^probi|ti0tt  I;  ^ird^n^t,'By  de* 

'  ^'  *    '      ^        -     ..    .  -  •?  manding 

A.  iVsi.  t)  b!  ■&  'a   T  "E  S.      '  2$ 

^  inaDding  of  liim-i  RenuJ^pn  pf.ihe^t^efcuflu  or  ^j-ibivti^  wlikb  jfbr 
^'  thefe  eleven  Years  and  ugyarda^^  \»je  have  paid  bim,  as  in  Treajfy  bowai^ 
*^  on  Account  of  ih^'^Wther^'Cjric^^ 

^'  arififig  from<be  Del^y  in  tbp!£ay^em  of  the  Refcufti,  whi(;b  was  pyviqg 
f*  in  tbe  firjl  Place  to  a  teoif  Qra^4P9^^^)>  created  J))r  tjie.beavy  c«rjieajt 

f*  ry  ;  and  in  th<?  ne j^«  Pjace  pci^syp^' jby  MiJ^  ,1^  waslodii^e^ 

^  when!  'Hopped  here, in  >Jnyp:^  ^.j^g*l»  '?  recopwnenci.  the  lifiC- 
'*  fion  of  Mr, -Hollond,  as -/ynbifl^dtjr^  to  uic'^.QflM!ji:v  to  algjrf 
^  him,  tbat  the  pefcuih  ihould  be  {^M^^a^Ki  to  explain  to  bim  tb«  Cair^ 
*•  of  its  Detention. 

-  **  The  NiaaiB  ba»»  in  bis  LetXfff  f0  4:bi&  Government^. f(i>d4n  his  Q)n« 
^*  verfation  with  I^Jlv  JloJIp*nd,/Ygc^jc^nHJ»icat.ed  .them  to  the  Gover- 
f* "nor  General  and.foviaeil,  ^^wed  W^r^ifploaiure,  on  A^9iim^^&a 
f*  Behaviour  wi^h  regard  ,to  tbe J^tfcufli  aid  the  Quntoon  Treaty  j  and 
f '.  baii^  without  Scrapli^,  acknowleif^ged  bis  Inving,  for  (l^fe  Realbns,  eot 
'*  coaraged  and  connived  at  a  Combination  of  the  Powers  againfl  os, 

'*  With  all  thefe  X^ciimftanees  before  jne,  to  which  the  Recoi;ds  ho|^ 
^*  here  and  in  fiengal  bear  Tefiimooyj  and  further,  knowing  it  as  a 
•*  Thing  certain,  that  at  the  very  Time  Xhe  Treaty  wa«  curryMg  on'^iA 
f*  Bazalet  Jung,  Hyder' would -have  entered  into  an  Q^nfive  and  dofcn*- 
5'  five  Alliance  with  us  ;  I  ihottld  do  an  Injury  to  myQ^fvaad  afiitt 
**  greater  one  to  .our  Superiors,  who  are^  (opa(s  their  Judgmeni  on 'Men 
*f  and  NJeaf^res  by  (beJDocu(nent;s  banded  them  from  their  refpefElke  Go^^ 
^*  vernments  in  India,  did  1  tacitly  fubfcribe  to  that  Part  of  the  Geneml 
^<  'Letter 'to  the  Court  of  Dire£lors,  which  1  have  hereby  excepted .4igain>(l|; 
^'  and  not  alfo  elucidate  tbe  other  Caiif<?s,  befides  ibe  Maratta  War,  wbick 
*f  have  aflifted  to  hafteni  our  prefent  Diftreiles. 

**  I  requeft  that  this. may  go  a  'Number  in  the  Packetmow  under  '0iC. 
fV  patch/' 


In  a.Letter  dated^d  December,  lySo,  from  the  Gpvemor  GenemI  of 

fijeng^l  to  the  Cbairman  of  the  Court  of  Dire^ors,  4ie  acquawts 

!Ko*  9*     bim^  that  **  Another  intereiiing  Occafion  <bas  now  tailed  for 

<f  the  Exertion  of  this  Government,  in  the  pFeiervatjoo^f  that 

'*'  of  Fort  St.  George  :  This  at  leail,  fays  he,  will  not  be  imputed  uo  tjie 

^*  Government  of  Sengal^     If  xbe  extori^  4U)d  palliated  Confeffiofl  of 

/'  tbel^abob  Nffiam  AJly  Cawn  may  be  credited,  and  we  have  tbe'Evi* 

'*'  dence  of  th^  moft  public  Notoriety  to  confirm  it,  it  wasihe  fole  ££eft 

**  of  a  Confederacy  formed  at  bis  InftigatiOn,  and  dictated  by  his  R«. . 

/'  fentment  at  ibe-ltlfringemencs  made  by  the  Sek6t  Comnuuqe  ig^f  ^Fort 

M  Saint  0eorge»  on  bis  Rights,  obtained  by  the  Treaty  iubiiit^g  betwevi^ 

'^*  him  and  the  Qompany,  and  bis  natural  Apprebenfion  of  Hoftilities  in- 

/'  tended  by  that  Government  egainft  him.    Whatever  be  the.Caufe,  fuch 

^*  have  been  tbjB  £fle£b,  ^d  it  is  our  Puty  to  do  all  th^t  may  bc«in-  oar 

*•  Power  to  avert  them.". 

Your  Committee  baire  thus  lakl  before  the  Houfe,  die  di^rent  PoS« 
tions  maintained  by  the  Governor  General  and  Council  ^n  theoae 
lland;  whoailert,  that  the 'Confederacy  which  preceded  the  lovafion  of 

it  P  A  R  L.I  A,  ME  K  T  A  |l  V  A,  tyf^ 

**  which  ha$  been  delivered  by  the  Governor  General,  aodis  entered  in, 

.*^  the  Con fulcat ions  noted  in  the  Margin,  as  well  as  to  ^ 
6  September*     '*  Letter  from  Mr.  Ho^Iond  to  the  Governor  General,  for•^ 

**  warded  by  the  Tryal  Packet,  in  which  the  Nabob\. 
"  Avowal  is  declared,   of  his  being  the  Author  of  the  Confederacy 
**  againft  us,  and  his  JuftiHcatipn  of  itj  on  the  Plea  of  Self-defence,  againft 
*'  thie  fisppofed  Intention  of  the  Preiidency  of  Fort  Saint  George  to  bre^k 
•«  with  bim, 

**  To  obviate  a  Prejudice  fo  rooted^  an4  the  £fle£l  of  an  Engagement 
**  fe  piomiftog  of  Succefs  as  that  in  which  the  Nizam  is  combined,  would 
**  of  itfeU  have  been  no  eafy  Taflc ;,  but  the  Difficolty  has  been  fo  much 
**  aojgmeiiiedy  as  to  have  been  nearlv  invjiacible,  from  the  Unwillingn^fs 
*'  oftbe  Prefidency  of  Madras  tq  u(e  the  only  M^ans  of  reconciling  htm 
**  to  us,  and  their  Inattention  to  the  Advice  and  Orders  which  are  font . 
**  them  for  this  Purpofe.  Jt  was  the  Belief  of  the  Nizam  Ally,  that  we 
**  were  a^oally  veftfd  with  the  CpntrouK  which  v^e  declared  ourfelves  to 
**  poflbfs  ^  but  he  diftruiled  the  Med  of  that  Controul,  fince  the  Ordera 
•  **  which  ^e  had  repeatedly  given,  and  declared  to  him,  for  the  Rpftitu<^ 
**  tion  of  the  Circar  of  Guntoor,  had  not  only  been  difregarded,  bgtftfr* 
'*  Holtood,  who  had  been  the  Inilr^ment  of  the  Negociation»  had  beea 
**  puniihed  by  them  for  the  part  which  he  had  taken  in  it* 

"  We  have  recited  the  great  piHiculties  which  oppofed  our  Accpm^ 
^  lifitodation  with  the  Nizan),  of  which  we  had  much  reafon  to  complain, 
^  (o  much,  that  it  became  an  Objed  of  NeceiCty  to  remove  tkero.     The. 
^  controuling  Power,  with  which  we  are  veiled  by  an  A(k  of  the  Britjlh 
**  Legiflature,  had  been,  in  repeated  Inflances,  treated  by  the  Gentlemea 
**  at  Port  $<•  George  with  Shght  and  Difrefped;  but  in  the  pr^^nt  |nr 
^  fiance,  they  thought  proper  to  take  more  upon  them  :  They  defeated 
^  our  Adls  by  their  Refufal  to  conform  to  them,  and  comply  with  ou« 
**  Orders,  where  we  had  efpecia]  Right  to  them.     The  Faith  of  this 
**  Government  had  been  pledged  to  the  Nabob  Nizam  AJly  Kh^n,  for 
**  the  Refk>ration  of  the  Guntoor  Circar  to  Bazalet  Juogj  they  were  fa 
^  Informed,  and  requiied  to  reHore  it. — They  did  not  reftore  it. — WjS 
**  had  no  Alternative  bu^  by  a  tame  Acquiefcence  to  facrifice  the  Truft 
**  repoied  in  us^  and  fuffer  your  Intereils  to  be  involved  in  a  War  by  a 
**  fireach  of  public  Faith,  or  to  maintain  both  by  an  Application  of  the 
**  Powers  which  had  been  given  us  for  fu^h  a  Purpoie.      Upon  thefiif 
**  Oroueds  we  refolved,  on  the  i  oth  ulii^io,  to  give  Eifed  to  our  Com- 
**  mands,  and  determined  to  exert  the  Auehority  with  which  we  werfi 
**  veiled,   in  fufpending  Mr.   Whitehijl,  the  Prefident  of  Fort  Saint 
«<  George,  from  the  Company's  Service.    Our  Reafon^  for  this  MeaOur^ 
^  are  particularly  dated  in  our  Letter  to  the  Preiident  and  Select  Com* 
^*  mittee  at  Port  St.  George,  of  the  ^oth  ultimo,  which  goes  a  Number 
**  in  the  Packet,  and  to  which  we  beg  Le^ve  to  refer  you  for  them  i 
**  And,  at  the  fame  Time  that  we  are  led  to  hope  that  the  bed  £^£la 
'*  may  be  derived  frofm  it,  in  edablifliio^  for  the  Company  the  Neutrality 
■*  or  Ffiendfhip  of  the  Nabob  Ifizam  Ally  Kh^n^  during  the  prcfese 
^  Troujbje^)  and  in  faving  our  Authority  in  his  EdimatiOq,  aj^id  Jtha^  of 
•*  jthe  bther  Country  Powers,-'  we  are  under  no  Fear  that  the  -^oundls  of 
•*  >oi>r  Prefid^ocy.of  Fort  St.  George  mil' jbp  lefs  ;j%  or  fuccefsfulljr 
,     '     ''"'•  4         *"   '  ***  con- 

A.  1782. 



'*  condufl^d  hereafter,  than  tHey  have  been  daring  the  Period  in  which 
•'  Mr.  Whitehill  direfted  thejn. 

*'  You  will  obferve,  by  our  Codfoltations  of  the  r3th  ultimo,  that  we 
••  were  then  informed,  by  Letter  from  the  Prefident  and  Seledl  Com^ 
••  inittee  of  Fort  St.  George,  dated  23^  September,  of  the  Meafurei 
*'  which  they  had  at  length  been  pleafed  to  adopt,  for  giving  ElFefl  to 
*'  our Keqoiiitions  of  tKe  12th, of  June,  by  immediate  Orders  to  their 
'*  Officer  commanding  in  the  Guntoor  Circar,  to  deliver  over  that  Country 
*'  to  Bazalet  Jung's  Agent ;  and  by  procuring  an  Order  alfo  from  the 
«•  Nabob  to  his  Amildars,  to  relinqaifh  all  Concern  in  the  Management 
*•  of  the  Revenue/' 

The(e  additional  Materials  Your  Committee  humbly  offer,  as  tending 
to  complete  that  Information  fefpedting  the  different  Subjects  treated  of  in 
their  Firfl  and  Second  Reports,  which  they  have  endeavoured,  in  Obe* 
dience  to  the  Commapds  of  the  lioule,  to  procure. 

Vol.  VI» 


•'  4 

C    35    1 


Supplemental  Appendix  to  the  Firft  Report. 

^  \ 


**  I. 

Fort  Saint  G*9^, 
Cofy  »/a  Council  of  ff^ar  bdd  at  Riad  S^trtert,  Great  Mount,  %Qth  Doeemier  178^. 


At  a  Council  of  War«  held  at  Head  Qiiirters,  near  Fort  Saint  George^  the  30th  Do- 

cember  17809  '  ,'    * 

P    R    E    SEN    Tj 

Lieutenant  General  Sir  Eyre  Coote,  K.  B» 
Major  General  Sir  He£lor  Munro,  K.  B« 
Brigadier  General  James  Stoatty 
Colonel  John  Lord  Madcod*  . 

LIEUTEKAKT  General  Sir  Eyre  Coote.— In  the  prefent  very  critical  Conjun^ure 
of  the  Alfairs  of  the  Eaft  India  Company,  and  the  very  near  Concern  which  I. per* 
ceive  the  Operations  of  the  Army  under  my  Command  muft  have,  in  bringing  th^ 
Whole  either  to  a  favourable  or  unfavourable  Crifis,  I  am  indoced,  equally  from  a  Senfe 
of  Duty,  and  a  fincere  Regard  for  the  future  Welfare  of  the  Public,  to  requeft  your  Auen« 
tion^  Gentlemen,  to  a  few  Circumftances^  which  1  ihall  ftate  as  briefly  as  po£lib)c,  and 
whereon  I  mufl  alfo  beg  to  be  favoured  with  your  Opinions. 

In  the  firft  Place,  I  lay  before  yon  an  Abftra£l  Return  of  the  effe£live  Strength  of  the 
Army  which  I  can  depend  on  carrying  with  me  into  the  Field  ;  and'  which,  Infantry,  Ca- 
valry and  Artillery,  you  will  obferve,  amounts  to  in  all  6,885  Men,  There  is  befides* 
One  Battalion  of  Sepoys,  about  Five  hundred  Men,  which  1  may  perhaps  be  able  to  drawr. 
from  Fort  Satht  George. 

In  the  next  Place,  1  fubmit  to  your  Perufal  my  lateft  Letters  from  the  Garrifons'  of 
Vellore,  Wahdeviraflb,  and  Permacoil,  by  which  you  will  perceive  they  are  all  befieged,  or 
very  ciofely  iavefted  by  rhe  Enenoy. 

From  the  Aifurances  given  me  by  the  Officer  comminding  at  Vellore,  and  from  the 
Pifficolty  with  which  he  obferves  the.Enemy  muft  make  their  Approaches,  1  am  under 
fid  great  Apprehenfion  of  its  being  in  immediate  Danger,  from  any  FfForts  of  the  Enemy 
cgaiflft  Itj  onleis  a^iifled  by  ibme  ueacherous  hidden  Villainy  of  that  Kind  i^hich  he  hai 



36  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  178*. 

•  * 

fo  fortunately  diieovfred  m  the  Nabobs  Renter,  «nd  which  I  am  happy  he  has  checked 
in  (b  efFcAoal  a  Manner,  by  potting  him  in  Irons;  in  which  State  I  have  dire&ed  him  to 
keep  hjm,  as  he  may  be  inftrumental  to  the  Difco^ery  of  thofe  dark  Dcfigoa  which  I 
have  long  fufpeded  to  exifl  in  the  Court  of  a  native  Power,  living  onder  the  very  Wallc 
of  our  Oarrifon  of  Fort  Saint  George. 

Permacoil,  with  a  very  fmall  Garrifon,  and  but  one  Officer,  as  you  will  obHprvp.  m^dc 
MMJA  a  very  fpuiteUCeESiuice,  nod  done  xaore  thai»  could  «^  lu«o  bc«»  expcAtd  horn 
(a  fmall  a  Body  of  Men.  They  cannot  poiTibly,  however,  long  bear  up,  under  fuch  coiw 
ilant  Fatigue  as  they  moft  be  fubje£ted  to,  by  the  frefli  Refoorces  which  Hyder  can  daity 
bring  againft  them.  I  conclode  then,  that  in  a  very  fhott  Period  of  Time  ihey  may  be  re- 
duced to  the  utmoft  Diftre(ii», 

The  Garrifon  of  WandewaA  I  conceive  to  be  in  a  critical  Situation.  Batteries  are  already 
raifed  againft  it,  andl  fear  muftplay  upon  it  with  great  Succefs,  unlefs  its  Defences  have 
beta  made  much  jnorp  {yfficient  than  wheal  knew  it.  ^The  Number  of  Men  in  thf 
Oarrifon  are,  confidcnng  itt  grealfc  Etteat,  in  no  $hape  ade^ate  to  its  Qefence,  there  be* 
ihg  only  Two  Companies  of  our  own  Sepoys,  and  a  few  Sspoys  belonging  to  the  Nabob, 
who  are  by  no  Means  to  be  relied  on,  feveral  having  already  deferted,  and  the  re(l  diflfa* 
tisfied  and  difcontented  for  Want  of  Pay,  and  on  Account  of  the  Arrears  due  to  them. 
Under  thefe  Circuxtiftances,  and  not  having  thofe  Advantages  of  Strength  by  Nature  which 
Permacoil  pofTedes,  I  fear  much,  notwithdanding  I  have  the  moft  perfed  Confidence  ia 
the  Bravery  of  the  Officer  in  j^omm^ad»  that  it  cannot  long  relif^  the  reiterated  and  fpt- 
rited  Attacks  which  the  Force  Hyder  has  fent  aguiinft  it  wfill  undoubtedly  make.  I  am 
inforpfied  there  is  in  it  a  very  large  Stock  of  Grain,  which  is  certainly  an  Ob}e£l  to  be 
looked  towards. 

I  conHder  the  Safety  of  thefe  Two  Garrifions,  and  throwing  ample  Stores  and  Provi- 
fioos  into  the  Garrifon  of  Chingleput,  which  you  will  obferve  by  a  Letter  from  the  Of- 
ficer in  Command  is  alfo  inveded  by  tiie  Snemy,  as  Obje^s  of  the  utmofl  Import- 
ance ;  and  I  am  therefore  extremely  dedroos.  if  poffible,  to  apply  Means  towards  their 
immediate  Relief;  but  how  far  it  may  be  prudent,  under  the  following  Circumftances, 
to  attempt  it,  is  the  Point  to  be  determined. 

The.FoKet  olHyder'are  very  numerous ;  and  a1thou|rh  hi?  Infantry,  difperfed  and  en- 
gaged as  they  at  prefent  are,  in  the  Siege  of  the  Garrifon^  before  mentioned,  and  alfo  in 
chat  «f  AaabMr,  caaaot  ^eedily  be  called  lofetbar,.  yet  hia  Cavalry,  of  which  he  ba^ 
got  a  very  large  Body,  not  lefs  than  from  Twenty- five  to  Thirty  tnoufand,  may  foon 
be  aflembled;  and  I  doubt  not^  before  we  proceed  Two  Days  M^rch  from  hence,  will 
he  all  axoufltf  ua,  tadVtll  esert  their  otrvioft  Endeavours  to  barafs  and  impede  i>s  in  our 
March,  and  thereby  gain  that  Time  which  may  be  neceflary  to  draw  his  Infantry  toge- 
ther, and  enable  him  to  force  us  to  a  Battle.— «If  he  fhould  make  this  his  Obje^,  not* 
withAanding  our  Inferiority  in  Numbers,  I  think,  with  the  Strength  we  have  in  Artil- 
lery, we  are  equal  to  engag*  him.  It  is  to  be  obferved,  that  he' too  cannot  be  <4eficiet>t 
in  this  very  efl'ential  Mililary  Equipment ;  as,  befides  what  he  brought  with  him  into  the 
Carnatic,  he  obtained,  by  the  Capture  of  Arcet.  and  the  Garrtfons  which  have  fallen 
to  h\tn  in  the  Courfe  of  the  War,  a  very  ample  Supply  pf  ail  Kinds  of  Ordnance  and 

Our  Force  is  too  limited  tp  admit. of  a  Detachment  adeq,Mats  to  the  propoied  Service ;  if 
then  a  Movement  is  tofe  madej  it  muft  be  of  the  whole  Armv.  Every  Aiticle  of  Prc^ 
vifion  for  its  Support,  together  with  the  Stores  jieccffary  for  the  Garrifons  in  qneftion^ 
muft  be  carried  from  henee«  The  Town  of  Madras  and  fort  Saint  George,  the  very 
Foundation  of  the  Interefts  of  the  Baft  ladia  Company  and  the  Engt  (h  Nation  on  tbia 
Coaft,  m\rfl  be  left  in  »  Manner  invefted  $  of  courfe,  all  Communicaiion  with  it  w>ll  be 
entirely  cut  off,  and  no  Support  of  any  Kind  c«n  be  drawn  fmm  it. 

I£  we  are  fortunate  enough  to  arrive  in  'Timt  to  fave  ^aidewa^h,  we  fhall,  f  am 
eonfident,  have  no  Difficulty  in  fitidinp  good  Ground  to  take  Pod,  and  on  which  we  may 
engage  the  Enemy  to  Advantage,  fhould  they  offer  us  Battle.  If,  on  the  cr.Qirdry,  they 
decline  a  general  Adion,  and  look  to  detaining  us  there,  by  condamly  b^r^Htng  us  wittk 
their  Cavalry,  they  May  reduce  us  to  much  Diftrefe,  as,  after  the  Piovifioas  we  car^J^ 
fcoin  hence  are  exj^ended,  we  fhall  have  no  other  Means  of  Snbdrtcnce,  bp?  froni  Uie 
Gtain  in  Wandewafh ;  whereof,  1  underdland,  there  is  enough  for  the  Expcudliuie  of  th«> 
Atmy  for  many  Months. 

.  1  have  thready  mencjoned  Fort  Saint  George  as  the  Sheet  Anchor  of  the  Inrereds  of 
the  Satft  India  Company  and  the  EngltHi  Nation  on  this  Coaft;  and  of  cooi/e  confider. 
it  as  the  firft  Objed  of  my  Csue  and  Attention,  ^Whether,  in  taking  the  Step  1  h.  ve' 


A.  ly^u  DEBATES.  jy 

hete  Mm\%HA  t%  y^r  Opinions,  espoied  to  all  the  Events  I  have  abore  fugedliDd,  t 
Aall  be  able  to  confult  the  Sfcurity  of  that  Obje£t,  is  what  1  wiflied  tP  be  fati^e^  in; 
and  whether  «  Reioltt  'of  the  Amy  to  their  prefcnc  STtatioa,  without  deriving  anjr  other 
ohviottt  Advatttage  thto  "nerely  the  Relief  of  the  aforefaid  Oarrifbas,  might  not  bepr** 
da£bve  of  Eileds  pernicious  to  the  general  InteteOs  of  our  Affairs  f 

The  prefeot  Otifpa&tigOfl  of  the  liihabirants  of  the  Country  h  not  orikiiowa  to  jmi. 
We  have  not  only  to  combat  agasnft  Hyder»  bat  againft  the  whole  Carnatic ;  and  hai« 
therefore  no  Retfda  to  hope  for  the  leaft  AffiftatKO  in  any  Pait  of  the  Road  we  anay  march^ 
or'in^ny  Patt  of  the  Country  we  miy  go  into.  "^ 

P«iirflB0coil  and  Waddewafli  I  AouM  be  (orry  weie  they  to  fait  into  the  Hands  of  the 
Enemy,  becaufeof  the  (treat  Advantage  they  mfght  be  rendrred  of  to  the  Freneh,  tiooM 
they  arrive  on  the  Coaft  durirj  the  prefem  War  with  Hyder. 

I  recqmmeoded  a  Reinforcement  of  Sepoyc  being  fent  me  by  Sea  from  Bengal ;  hot,  by  mf 
lateft  Letters  from  thence,  I  have  not  the  fmalleft  Encouragenrentto  hope  that  my  Propofdt 
wtll  be  to  iny  Shape  adopted*  The  Detachment  of  She  Battalions  of  Sepoys,  refohred  by 
the  Supreme  CiwnrcH  to  be  ient  by  Land  as  a  Reinforcement  >o  the  Army  here,  net  -- 
having  commenced  thetv  March  on  the  14  h  Inftant ;  and  their  Movement,  as  I  am  rn> 
formed,  depca^ng  chieAy  upon  the  favourable  Ifluo  of  fome  Ntgociations  now  carryini? 
on  with  the  R»ja  Mood^jee  BooOa,  to  whom  that  Body  of  hfarattas  laying  at  Cottae 
heiaogs,  there. is  no  Certainty  that  that  Detachment  will  ever  leave  the  Bengat  Pro- 
^iiicn*  Any  Expeilatiooa  o^ddition  to  otar  prefan^  Fovte  that  might  have  been  en- 
tertained from  that  Q^iarter,  cannot  therefore  weigh  in  the  prefent  Deliberation. 

I  have  now,  Gentlemen,  ftated  to  you  Circumf^ances,  in  as  explicit  and  at  the  fame 
Time  as  concife  a  Manner  as  the  Importance  of  the -Suhje^  will  admit  of.  I  ftall  he 
happy  in  having  your  candid  Opinions^  as  I  m^n  that  my  CoaduA  on tha  Qccafioo  iho*'4 
be,  in  a  great  MeaAiie,  regulated  thereby. 

(Signed)  Eyre  Coote. 

Colonel  John  Lord  Macleod.  Sir  liyre  Cocte,   Commander  in  Chief  in  India, 

having  mentioned  the  prefent  Pof^ure  of  p<ib!tc  A^airs  in  Indoflan  in  general,  and  pjr<* 
ticolarly  on  the  Coromandel  Coaft  at  this  Period  $  that  is  to  fay,  that  Vcllore,  PerrajucD>1. 
and  Wandewafli,  are  at  this  Time  in vcfted  or  befieged  by  Hyder  Ally's  Troops  |  chat 
Colonel  Lang,  ^ho  commands  iji  Yetlore,  writes  with  AlTurance  rhit  he  will  hold  out 
for  a  confiderable  Time ;  but  that  Permacoil  and  Waodewafli,  from  beinf;  garriforMd 
principally  by  the  Nabob's  Ttoops,  cannot  be  expelled  to  refift  long:  And  SW  Eye 
hsT'ng  been  v^ea fed  to  ajk  my  Opinion,  whether  he  (hould  march  (he  whole  Army  to* 
the  Relief  of  Wandewafli,  ^c.  as  It  Is  impofTible  to  af^  by  Detachment,  the  whi>le  Forte 
of  bur  Army  not  amounting  at  prefent  to  7000  cflcftlve  Men  ?  I  have  to  meotion, 
that  the  Security  of  Fort  Saint  George,  and  our  fure  Cbmmunicaticn  with  that  Pl»^^ 
is,  in  my  Opinion,  at  prefent  the  grand  Obie£t  of  this  Army,  and  the  Hinge  upon 
which  every  Thing  turns.  I  form  that  Opinion  from  the  unaccountable  Condu^  of  the 
Durbar,  from  the  tirft  Commencement  of  the  prefient  HoiHltiies,  from  the  Knowled^sT 
we  all  liave  of  the  hoftile  Mind  of  ail  the  Natives  of  the  Carqatic  to  the  Engtifl}  In- 
terefl,  and  of  their  Attachment  to  Hydtr  Ally  f  which  fully  convincrs  me,  .that  wehsive 
no  Reinforcement  to  exp*£t  from  th  s  Country,  and  that  ail  our  Succours  muft  come 
from  the  other  Sertlemcnts,  and  from  Europe. 

I  therefore  think.,  that  in  any  March  tliTS  Artny  way  during  the  prefent  State  nf 
Affairs  take,  a  Hold  of  the  principal  Obje^  ought  always  ro  be  kept  ;  ci)<t  ^'s,  having 
it  in  our  Power  at  Jiny  Time  10  returrl  and  cover  Fort  S%  Ceorfe.  This  being  io  our 
Power,  I  appo»«e  mutji  of  the  Army's  marc*  »ng  a«  foon  as  pcllib?e  to  the  Relief  of 
Chingieput,  Permaicoii,  and  Waodewaffi,  and  afterwards  to  return  and  cover  Madras. 

(Stgncd)  Macleod," 

'  ^  Col.  73  Regiment. 

Brigsdirr  GereraJ  James  Stoart^  ■  After  attending  to  wh^t  the  General  has  hera 
pleafed  to  communicate,  lam  of  f^prntoi,  that  the  immediate  Reinfurcement  and  Sup- 
ply  of  the  O  rrilons  of  Chinrleput,  W*ndewafli,  and  Pe^macotl,  fo  as  to  enable  them 
to^ld  pot  for  TwAoc  Three  M'^nths,  or  unttl  it  Ihall  be  known  certainly  with  what 
Force  thtf  War  is  likely  to  be  carded  on  byd>r«h  Sides,  is  of  fuch  Coxxfequence,  that  ( 
have  no  Diffictihy  mi  declaving  ir,  according  to  my  Judgment,  to  be  a  moft  advifeable 
Meafurei  to  proceed  immediately  with  the  whole  Army  that  can  be  fp^red  from  Fort  St, 
Ce9:i^»  QA  Pur|)«e  to  tbco%u  Saceouss  into  thoic  Cot rifons,  canying  with  them  every 



Means  of  Subfiftejice,  vithoot  the  Keceflity  of  maikini  Detacbnents  mi  any  other  Ac* 
count  whateyer. 

I  am  alfo  of  Opinion,  that  fo  foon  at  thofe  Soccoors  are  feat  into  thefe  Oaniibny 
die  Army  ihouM  return  to  their  forme^  Encampment  at  the  Moant»  there  to  wait  the 
ArriVal  of  News  from  Europe,  according  to  tfhich,  the  future  Operatio/is  in  this  Conn* 
try  ought  to  depend,  whether  to  be  oiFen6ve  or  defenfive,  keeping  in  cotiftant  View  the 
yceat  ultimate  national  Object,  namely,  the  Preferratton  of  Fort  Saint  George,  with  the 
Shipping  and  Property  of  the  Eaft  India  Company  in  the  commercial  State. 

I  think  chat  Hyder  cannot  in  the  Time  aOemble  anj  Force  fuffictent  to  difpnte  the 
4ireA  Progrcfs  qf  our  Army  to  or  from  Wandewafh,  even  though  his  Cavalry  may  at* 
tempt  to  difpote  the  Paflage  of  the  Palar,  which  no  Doubt  will  be  attended  to. 

.  I  am  alio  of  Opinion,  that  the  Fame  of  the  Britifli  Arms  will  not  fuflfer  by  the  Ap* 
pearance  of  a  Retreat  to  the  Prefidency,  after  the  Objed  of  the  Reinforcement  to  the 
Carrifons  is  anfwered. 

In  cafe  i^  (bould  fo  happen  that  WandewaA  fliall  have  fallen  before  the  Army  reachet 
that  Place,  I  think  that  Volunrecrs  from  the  Army  ftouM  be  encouraged  to  throw  them* 
leUes  both  into  Permacoil  and  Tiagar.  in  feparate  Bodies  9  but  that  the  main  Obje6l 
Ihoold  be  to  ftrengthen  and  'fupply  Chiogleput,  aa  the  only  immediate  Means  to  enable 
na  to  form  Magazines  for  the  Recovery  of  Arcot,  to  which,  as  to  the  Principal  Ob* 
Jeftf  all  our  future  Operations  Aiould  be  direded,  without  attending  to  the  Nabob 'a 
flill  Forts,  tQ  lauly  lo^  by  Che  Cowardice  or  Treachery  of  his  Highne(8*s  Officers  or 

(Signed)  James  Stuart. 

Major  General  Sir  He£lor  Monro,  K.  B.— The  Commander  in  Chief  haying  laid 
hefore  Lord  Madeod,  General  Stuart,  and  myfelf,  a  State  of  the  Troops  in  Camp,  as 
well  as  Letters  which  he  received  from  Officers  in  fome  of  the  Gartifons  in  the  Carna- 
tic,  fettijig  forth  fome  of  the  Operations  carrying  on  by  Hyder*s  Army  ;  the  Comman* 
der  in  Chief  having  at  the  fame  Time  told  us,  that  the  Reinforcement  expcAed  from 
Bengal  had  not  by  lare  Accounts  began  their  March,  and  defiring  to  have  our  Opinions 
refpediiilg  the  Army*s  marching  to  the  Relief  of  Wandewafh,  &c.  I  am  clearly  of 
Opinion  that  the  Army  Aould  march  as  foon  as  polTible,  not  only  to  throw  in  Succours 
to  Chlogleput,  Permacoil,  and  Wandewifh  ;  but  to  know  if  the  Enemy  will  come  to 
Adion  J  and  if  he  ihould,  1  am  confident  the  Army  ^ilt  be  foccefs&l  under  their 

There  are  many  Reafoni  why  this  Event  ought  to  bewifiied  for  ;  and  as  the  Army 
will  always  be  able  to  make  good  its  Retreat  to  Madras  or  the  Moimf,  the  Time  of  ita 
Return  ought  to  depend  on  various  Crcumftances,  and  the  PJcafure  of  the  Commander 
ifi  Chief  i  and  the  loforaaatioos  he  may  from  Time  to  Time  receive. 

(Signed)  Hs^orMunro, 

A  true  Copy. 

Wm.  Tierney, 
Seaetary  to  the  Commander  in  Chief  in  India. 

Extras  from  thi  Minutts  of  the  SeleS  Committee,  dated  January  lySf, 

The  Committee  are  fcnfible  of  the  Attention  of  the  Commander  in  Chief,  in  laying 
before  them  the  aforegoing  Deliberations  of  the  Counc*!  of  War.  In  intrufting  Lieo- 
ten«nt  General  Sir  Eyre  Coote  with  the  immediate  Manaeement  of  the  War,  the  Com- 
mittee felt  that  they  were  committing  the  moft  important  Truft  into  Hands  in  every 
Refpea  qualified  for  the  great  Obie«  which  they  had  in  View,  the  Safely  of  not  only 
the  Company's  and-the  Nabob's  PoflVflions,  but  even  of  the  dearcft  Inteirfts  of  the  Eng- 
liih  in  India.  Anxious  for  the  moft  fpirited,  at  th»  fame  Time  that  they  would  have 
the  lead  hazardous  Extrtions  on  the  Part  of  the  Army,  they  entirely  acquiefce  in  the 
GeneraPs  Opinion,  and  in  that  of  the  experienced  Officen  whom  he  confultcd.  The 
carrying  that  Opinion  into  Execution,  rtA$  with  the  Commander  in  Chief  himfelf.  All 
th«  is  left  for  the  Committee  to  fay  uoon  thcSubjeft,  is,  that  the  like  public  Zeal  which 
hath  hitherto  prevailed  in  all  their  Deliberations,  fhall  ftill  cootinm  to  manifeft  itfelf 
in  their  Councils  ;  that  the  General  (hall  find  every  Support  which  it  is  in  their  Po»cr 
to  give  him  j  and  that  as  he  and  thry  have  had  but  One  Mmd  £nce  his  Arriral  upoia 

3  this 

A.  i78i.  DEBATES.  39 

Ibis  Coaft,  they  cannot  but  nffnn  themkUfS,  that  the  Confeqoencet  of  that  Uninimity 
will  be  highly  beneficial  to  the  Jnterefti  of  their  Bmployeis,  vtkoft  Welfare  is  iofcpa* 
table  from  that  of  the  Nation  at  large« 

A  tiue  Extract. 

R.  I.  Sulivan^  Sec. 

Minute  •/  Sir  £yre  Coote,      ^ 

•  Sir  Eyre  Coote.  ReflcQing  en  the  prefent  rery  critical  Sitaation  of  the  AfFafav  of 
the  Eaft  India  Cempany,  and  of  the  Ibterefts  of  the  Engliih  Nation  on  this  Coafl ;  an4 
ienfible  how  near  a  Concern  any  Movement  I  might  make  of  th.e  Army  un<fer  my  Coffin 
mand,  muft  have  therein ;  for  which,  from  the  Nature,  Progrefs,  and  Spirit  of  the 
lOperations  carrying  on  by  the  Enemy,  there' appearing  to  me  a  Necefliry ;  at  the  fame 
•Time  not  chufing,  iii  »  Matter  of  fuch  real  and  weighty  Importance,  to  truft  entirely 
to  my  own  Judgment,  at  to  the  Expediency  and  Propriety  of  the  Service  to  be  per- 
iorned,  and  my  Ability,  with  the  Forces  I  have,  when  compared  to  thofe  of  the  Ene- 
my, to  execute  it;  I  held  a  Conncil  of  War,  at  which  w^s  prefent.  Major  General 
Sir  He6lor  Munro,  Brigadier  General  James  Stuart,  and  the  Right  Honourable  Colonel 
Lord  Macleod  ;  to  whom  having  ftaied  Circuniftance»  with  as  much  Expiicity  as  Time 
weiilld  7>ermt(,  I  had  the  Honour  to  receive  their  refpe£tive  Opinions  and  Approbations  of 
the  Service  I  propofed  Aoqld  be  undertaken. , 

However  unufual  it  is  to  difclofe  the  Proceedings  or  the  Refult  of  Councils  of  War^ 
•hefore  or  even  after  the  Purpofes  of  them  have  been  fulfilled ;  and  how  far  I  may  be 
jsftifiable  in  a  Deviation  froih  what'are  the  Rules  prefcribed  in  fuch  Cafes,  are  Pointo, 
.vhich  in  the  prefent  InAahce  I  do  not  conceive  it  material  to  enter  upon  a  previous  Dif* 
cuflton  of ;  but  fhall^refi  the  fotnre  Judgment,  to  be  formed  by  the  World,-  of  the  Rec- 
titude of  the  A£iion,  firft  upon  the  Declaration  of  the  perfe^  Confidence  I  have  in 
yoor  Zeal  for  the  Public  Service*  confirmed  by  the  .Support  you  have  already  ai^ded 
my  Exertions,  and  the  Defiro  you  have  profefilied  to  continue  it ;  and  next  upon  the 
Claim  which  the  Political  Ttuft,  repofed  in  you  by  our  Supecisrs,  gives  yoo  to  knov^^ 
whatever  is -likely  to  afTedl  the  loterefts  of  the  Honourable  Company  in  that  ParticyUf} 
and  which,  asjny  late  Deliberation  may  in  a  very  efTential  Degree  do,  I  therefore  cheer- 
faliy  lay  before  yon  Copies  of  the  Proceedings  of  the  Council  of  War,  in  the  full  Per- 
luafion,  that  the  Purport  theieof  will  in  no  RefpeA'  be  divulged  }  and  in  the  Hope,  that 
the   Meafurei  therein  determined  on,  may  alfo  be  honoured  with  your  Approbation, 

No.  2. 


Letter  from  the  Cbjef  and  Council  te  H>e  durt  of  Dirtffort* 

To  the  Honourable  the  Court  of  Dire^ors  for  Affairs  of  the  United  Company  of  Mer- 
chants  of  England  trading  to  the  Eaft  Indies. 

May  it  pletfe  yoor  Honourt^ 

A^    SNOW,  called  the  Hibernia,  difpatched  Exprefa  from  Madras  to  Bombay,  pafled 

this  Port  OQ  ihp  Sth  Inftant,  when  her  CommaDder,  m  puriuance  of  Orders  he 

h^d  received,  fent  a/horean  attefted  Copy  of  a  Letter  from  the  Seleft  Committer 

former  Prefi^^ncy^  addrefled  to  the  Rcfident,  &c.  Faitors  91  Tellie  herrv  j  r 


whkk  we  htrtwlth  tftnTrntt.  judging,  tkat  n  th'n  it  the  moft  pmsife  Made  ef  cvhimii^ 
Mcatmg  the  very  ijiier«fting  Iniellige&ce  it  toauiait  ^  ^Mic  will  pr^ve  more  e€c«f  taUt 
to  yottr  Honour!  than  a  Recital  of  its  Contents.  .  . 

LfCtttenant  Hughes,  who  commandc  the  Seahorfe  Frigate,  which  left  Madras  on  the 
sift  ITkimo,  and  tottched  here  on  her  PafTage  to  Bombay,  informed  us,  that  the  Army 
under  Sir  Eyre  Coote,  confifiing  of  between  Nine  and  Ten  tboufand  Men,  marched  from 
its  lale  Encampment  near  Madras  about  the  17th  Ultimo,  in  queil  df  Hyder  Ally  ;  and 
hj  a  pvivate  Letter  which  the  Refident  hac  juft  received  from  the  ^^inmandant  at  Palam* 
cetah^  dated  the  Stb  Infliht,  we  lear%  that  Sir  Eyre  Coote*s  Approach  towards  the  E&e« 
mjt  compelled  tbem  to  withdraw  from  Caiajifol^  and  Wandewaiby  which  Places  they 
M  befic^ed. 

Your  Honours  Ship  Royal  Admiral,  we  have  Advtcesy  failed  from  Goa  oo  the  jtft 
Vltimo^  on  her  Way  to  the  Prefidency  ;  and  your  Five  Ships  from  Bengal*  which 
left  England  in  Company  with  the  Royal  Adai«»l,  viif ed  at  Madras  the  loth  f7l« 

We  have  Ilhewife  the  Pleafore  to  add,  that  we  art  bow  infarmed  by  Mr.  William 
Ptttie>  of  your  Civil  Service  on  the  Madras  Eftabliihment,  that  Amol  furreodered  uo  the 
aSthUltimOp  to  your  Army  under  Brigadier  General  Gcxldardi  who,  fubfequent  tothtt 
Ikappy  Event,  was  preparing  to  march  towards  the  Gauts. 

Sir  Edward  Hughes,  with  His  MajeAy*s  Ships  under  hit  Commaod  (except  tho  Soo« 
Ikorfe,  whif^h  has  not  yet  }oijked  him),  we  have  Reafoi^  CO  believe  was  at  Bombay  the 
latter  end  of  the  laft  Month. 

As  thefe  Advices  ate  of 'lb  importajit  a  Natvre  to  your  Honours  loteieft,  we  now  do» 
Bvcr  a  Duplicate  hereof  to  Mr.  Petric,  toptber  with  the  Original,  in  feparate  Packeit) 
Sukd  have  requeued  him  to  iiie  his  Endeavours  for  forwarding  Oae  of  them  from  (ho  Cape 
of  Good  Hope,  by  fome  other  Ship  than  th»t  ob  which  he  proceeds. 

We  are,  with  the  greateft  RefpeA, 
May  it  pleafe  your  Honours, 
-AnjengOy  Your  moft  ^Mthivl  and 

fkt  itth  Ftbroary  lySi*  Obedteat  humble  ServMN, 

"  Ja.  Morley, 

Auther  King^ 

].  HutchinfoA, 

>  /• 

MxtraB  •J  s  Letter  frtm  the  Chl^  and  FaSort  at  ^njeffgfi,  tfi  the  Court  of  DireBwi  of  ti^ 

Baft  India  Compai^i  dated  the  6tb  Ji^gufi  lySi. 

The  Mornlog  Star  Cruiser,  from/  Bombay,  having  called  here  00  het  Way  to  Boflb- 
rah,  we  embrace  the. Opportunity  of  communicating  to  your  Honours,  the  pleafing  in<^ 
teliigence  of  Sir  Eyre  Coote  haying  entirely  defeated  the  Army  of  iiyder  Ally  Cawn» 
in  a  general  Engagement,  between  Porto  Novo  and  Mooteapollam,  on  the  Firft  of  laft 
Month ;  the  Particulars  of  which  your  Honours  will  be  fully  informed  of«  by  the  ac^ 
coirpanying  Extract  of  a  Letter  from  Sir  Eyre  Coote  to  Colonel  Braithwaite,  at  Tan* 
jour,  dated  the  6th  Ultimo,  which  was  tranfmitted  to  the  Refldent  by  Captain  Eiding^ 
toun,  the  Commandant  at  Palamcotah,  who  has  likewife  advifed  him  of  the  following 
Particnlars  !  That  the  Swallow  Packet  reached  Madras  00  the  a^d  June,  and  die 
Rodney  Packet  alfo ,  on  the  izih  Ultioo,  the  latter  having  parted  from  the  Fleet  iho 
failed  with  from  England  on  the  5th  of  April,,  in  Latitude  aS*  N*«— That  the  Army 
.  commanded  by  Sir  Eyre  Coote  pafTed  Permacoil  on  the  iSth  Ultimo,  with  a  View  of  ef- 
fecting a  Jundion  with  the  large  Detachment  of  Bengal  Troops,  which,  with  Tfaroo 
Battalions  from  the  Northern  Circars,  had  for  fome  Time  been  on  their  Way  to  Madras^ 
where,  by  the  laft  Aoco«iits>  they  were  aearly  airived. 

Entraff  of  a  Letter  frm  Sir  Eyre  Coote  10  Cdtonel  Bratrtwaite,  dated  Stb  Juty  1781.         ■ 

Referred  to  in  the  above  Lttttr* 

The  3d  Inftant  I  had  the  FIcafuie  to  acquaint  you  of  the  Socctfs  of  our  little  Ar«iy, 
aa  a  general  Adion  op  the  rft  Inftant,  with  Hyder  AHy,  between  Porto  Novo  aod 
Mooteapollam.— It  laAed  Eight  Hoon,  and  was  a  hard-fought  Day  06  both  Sides..  ■, .  ■ 
The  Enemy's  Fone  coafAed  of  TwcBty>irve  Battation  rf  Idfafttry,  400  Europeaoa, 


A.  I782«  DEBATES.  4, 

from  40  to  50)000  Horfe,  and  above  One  hundred  Thooftnd  Matchlock  Men/  Peona, 
and  Pulygar3,  wich  49  Pieces  of  Canooo  well  ferved. 

Our  Second  Line  having  occupied  ibme  Heights,  by  which  our  Rear  waa  feciired,  I 
advanced  with  the  Firft  toiwardi  the  Enemy's  Guns,  many  of  which,  had  we  had  a 
Body  of  Cavalry,  muft  havt  fallen  into  our  H^nds.  They  made  repeated  Attempts  to 
force  us  with  their  Horfe,  and  kept  up  a  brt/k  Cannonade, ^which  for  a  long  Time  our 
heavy  f'xrt  could  not  fileoce  \  yielding  at  length  10  the  Steadinrfs,  Spirit,  and  Bravery  of 
our  comparatively  fmall  Body  of  Troops,  they  retreated  precipiutely,  and  left  us  Mafteri 
of  the  Field.-^Meer  Saib  received  a  mortal  Wound  ;  and  among  Four  tboufand  killed^ 
are  miiny  of  the  principal  Officers.*— On  our  Si-^e,  we  loil  yery  few  Officers,  and  bava 
only  Thre^  or  Four  hundred  killed  and  woundrd.  You  will  be  pleafcd  to  cofflmanicata 
this  fortunate  Event  to  all  the  Southern  Qanifoos* 

No.  3. 

To  the  Honourable  the  Secret  Committee  of  the  Honourable  the  Court  of  D'reQora  for 
Affairs  of  the  United  Company  of  Merchanta  of  England,  trading  to  the  Eaft  Indies. 

Honourable  Gentlemen, 
s»  '\TOXJ  receive  herewith  an  Addrefc,  dated  the  31ft  Ultimo,  containing  a fliort  Abftraft 
X  of  the  Syilem  we  had  adopted  for  our  Conduct  in  the  prefent  Situation  of  Affairs* 
!•  We  had  made  every  neceiTary  Arrangement  for  putting  in  Execation  our  RefoluiioA 
for  withdrawing  Tellicberryi  and  the  Time  fixed  for  the  Departure  of  the  Fleet  was 
ariived  within  Two  Days,  when,  on  the  18th  lofiant,  ^e  received  a  Letter  from  the  Go- 
vernor General  and  Council,  dated  the  7th  of  January,  which  might  and  ought  to  have 
reached  us  Seven  or  Eight  Weeka  fooner,  wherein  they  acquainted  us  of  their  having  fent' 
round  Five  Lacks  of  Rupees  for  the  Service  of  this  Prefidency,  on  Vhe  Duke  of  Port- 
land ;  anil  gave  ns  Authority  to  pafa  Draughts  upon  them  for  fuch  further  Sum  as  we 
might  ftand  in  need  of.*— We  had  alfo  private  Intimation  of  their  having  provided  a  iarge 
Quantity  of  Rice  for  the  Service  of  this  Prefidency,  of  which  we  aaually  received  a  Part, 
hy  the  Ve0el  that  brought  their  Letter. 

3.  Thcfe  Refoorces  in  View,  we  immediately  determined,  late  as  the  Seafon  wat,  tu  ofil 
our  utq>oft  Exertion  to  preferve  Tellicherry,  and' make  a  Requeft  to  the  Admiral  to  poft- 
pons  his  Departure  for  a  few  Days,  in  order  to  give  us  Time  to  colleft  Troops,  and  the 
neceiTaiy  Snpplies  for  the  Garrifon,  to  be  fent  down  in  Company  with  the  Fleet,  without 
whofe  Affiftance  could  not  have  executed  our  Meafores,  The  Adtriral  ezprrfling  great 
Satisfaction  in  our  Refolution,  cheerfully  acquiefced  in  our  Request ;  and,  by  a  vigorous 
Difpatcb,  the  Royal  Admiral  and  Royal  Charlotte  were  equipped  for  Sea  ;  Troops  br  ught 

•  from  the  Foot  of  the  Gauts,  and,  with  Stores  and  Provifions,  embarked  within  S;fvrn 
Days  upon  different  Veflcls,  whichy  with  the  Fleet,  (ailed  from  this  PUce  the  a7ih  of  tb« 

4.  The  Royal  Charlotte  has  been  detained  a  few  Days,  to  wait  for  Rice,  to  eompleat  a 
Stock  for  the  Rains  ;  that  Ship,  as  well  as  the  Royal  Admiral,  will  proceed  from  Telli- 
cherry to  Fort  Saint  George,  to  aflift  in  tranfporting  Major  Cotgrave*i  Detachment  to  the 
Ooaft  of  Coromandel,  and  will  then  purfue  her  Voyage  to  China  ;  whilA"  the  latter  will 
return  to  Bombay,  from  whence  (be  will  be  difpatched  to  England  early  in  the  enfuing 

5.  The  Prime  will  ihortly  fail  for  England,  and  will  carry  our  Advices  and  Proceedings 
at  full  Length.-* We  (hall  not  now  enter  into  9  Detail  of  the  Operations  of  the  Army, 
but  Ihall  only  mention,  that  General  Goddard  has,  in  purfuance  of  our  Advice,  relinquifli- 
Cd  Pofleflion  of  the  Pafs  of  Bhore  Gaut,  where  he  had  propofed  forming  a  fortified  Po(%, 
tfiarched  the  Army  ta  f  anweU,  ii)  order  to  lodge  his  Stofts  gnd  heavy  Baggage,  and  pro 

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A.  \7i;^i 

ceed  in  l^it  future Op^atip|ii  according  to  tlje  Syftem  of  Defence  we.]^a^  concerted  with  hiiq 
in  Inarch.— This,  a  Country  favourable  fur  the  Mode  of  Attack,  ofaLferved  by  tbe  Enemy  « 
th^  Army  was  ettreipely  hvralled  by  numerQUi  Bodiet  of  Horfq  and  Fopt,  which  k^ 
poilred  into  tl^e  Cbqcan  Country,  and  prefle^  upon  our  Troops  with  a  De^ee  of  Boldneft^ 
which  can  only  be  imputed  to  their  Exultation  at  the  Appearance  of  a  Rc;treac«  Our 
Troops  in  this  Situation  behaved  with  their.  ^cDiffomed  Firmnefs  and  Refolution,  and 
haiSed  every  Attack  of  the  Enemy,  to  make  an  Impreflion  either  on  the  Line  or  Baggage, 
though  fur  Lo(S|  from  fuch  continual  Attacks,  could  not  fril  being  confiderable ;  and  we 
find,  from  our  Returns,  that  during  the  Two  Days  taken  qp  in  the  March,  Three  Officer^, 
and  fifty. five  Meq  were  killed,  an^  Fifteen  Officers  and  Thr^e  hundred  and  Ninety-three 
Men  wounded  ;  though  we  derive  fome  Satisfadion,  that  i^mangft  tbft  Privates  killed  and 
wdunded,  few  or  none  were  Enropetns.  We  are  very  forry  to  add,  that  on  the  laft  Day*s 
March  Colonel  Parker>  who  commanded  the  Rear  Goard,  was  mortally  wounded,  and  ditd^ 
in  a  few  Hoars. 

6.  Arrived  at  Pan  well  the  23d  Inftant,  when  the  General  immediatelv,  upon  nor  Re^ 
quifitton,  fent  over  the  Troops  we  had  appointed  for  the  Gairifen  of  Tellicherry,  and  will 
next  proceed  upon  a  Plan  for  fecuring  the  Country  from  the  Ravages  of  the  Enemy»  in 
the  beft  Manner  poifible,  until  the  Latenefs  of  the  Seafon  fliall  compel  them  to  retire. 
For  this  Purpofe,  the  Army  will  immediately  change  its  Pofitton,  and- move  near  CalUan| 
a  more  centrical  Situation,  and  where  it  is  propofed  to  canton  them  during  the  Ralnt. 
The  Europeans  and  Bombay  Troops  will  be  brought  into  this  Oarrifon* 

7.  We  very  much  wiOi  we  had  any  late  ai^thentic  Account  to  give  you  of  the  Situation 
of  Affairs  on  the  Coaft  of  Coromandel,  the  Hopes  of  which  were  the  principal  Caufe  of 
our  detaining  the  Mercury  fo  long.— We  can  only  now  acquaint  you,  that  it  is  certain  the 
French  left  the  Coaft  of  Coromandel  in  February,  without  landing  any  Afliftancc  for  Hyder, 
or  doing  any  other  material  Damage  ;  and  that  they  were  much,  diftrefled  for  Provifiona  ; 
the  Pofition  of  General  Coote's  Army,  and  his  burning  all  the  Boats  at  Pondicherry, 
preventing  their  getting  any  Supplies  from  t|ie  Shore.-— Country  Intelli^ence|  edited  hy^ 
Ulr.  Stewart  at  Goa,  mentions  that  Hyder  had  qqitted  the  Carnatic. 

8.  We  have  the  Pleafure  to  advifeyou  of  Colonel  Carnac!8  l)9ving  gained  a  very  compleat 
Vidory  over  Mhadge  Scindia  j  which  is  the  noore  agreeable^  as  the  Colonel  had  been  ob- 
liged tq  rqtreat,  and.  was  harafled  Four  Days  together, by  a  very  powerful  Army.  After 
the  Fourth  Day's  Retreat,  the  Colonel  countermarched  a  Detachment  from  his  Army  ii| 
the  Night,  with  which  he  got  in  the  Rear  of  the  Enemy,  and  attacked  their  Camp, 
v(hich  was  forced  and  plundered,  and  Two  Gum,  Four  Elephants,  and  a  large  Booty, 
fell  into  our  Hands.--*Several  Accounts  concur  that  the  Enemy^s  Lois  amounted  to  Eight 
t^ou(and  Men,  and  Scindia  himfelf  efcaped  with  Difficulty  to  Serooga^  attended  by  obIj 


We  hav«  the  Honour  to  be, 

with  Refpefl,  '  ^. 

Honourable  Gentlemen, 
Your  faithful  and 
obedient  huoible  Servants, 

D.  Draper, 
N,  Sttckbottf^, 

•  •  •  • 

Bombay  Qa(^le, 
30th  April  1 78 1. 

Ko,  4, 

A.  iyiu  b   £    B    A    T    E   S; 

No,  4, 

MsUf^  "df  tf  ttfier  fhm  fbe  ^f>tp^m  atOi  SeleA  CmmUtti  tt  JPW  Saint  Veof^  f*  ^ 
^/  ^trOftrs  ijfmEifi  Ihim  Utapafiy.'-^Mttd  tbt  pb  JdiWary  lySlr. 

IS^R^lA  tkfe  tiivtt$kUl6  Terth  of  piak  AMtti  tb  your  Hftfibun^  yoa  ^ill  perceive  i  flron^ 
^  «Ad  we  ftit  forty  to  bliUlivey  •  )^ft  Oik{n26h  of  the  rtiBoiis  Confequeyice« 

Vide  L*tter  19*  vhieh  would  looner  or  later  fail  upon  the  CompaAy,  from  toe  W* 
3d  April  i^tid.  Whkb  your  Sbrviots,  ftt  the  bcfarr  Prefidentfes^  hid  onneceTTirily  eitwred 
by  Oetier Ai  ittto  with  the  Maratti  Stite.     B'Ordetiiig  upon  eich  other's  Ddmlnloni^ 

Barker.  tnd  heattd  by  Jealodfy  and  i  Dcfire  of  Ploii^er,  Hyder  and  the  Matatt«i 

bi^r  could  have  r^nAaihed  bo  atmi'cable  Terms.  £ve^y  Yeiir,  boleft 
'wfaeo  we  Aepped  iti  to  Aifpend  their  Operitibrtf;  the  Coootry  of  the  one  or  the  othe^  w:ft 
the  Thbatrfc  tol^War.  Their  Socceft  wil«  virioiis,  but  th&£1feift,  to  thfe  Iiiglifh  lotlsreft^ 
was  th<^  fame.  They  reciprocally  waited. thbir  Strength^  und  fbaild  I  Sufficiency  of  Eitt'* 
ployment  at  Home,  to  hinder  their  difturbing  the  Tranquillity  of  their  Neighbours. 

to.  While  thfcfb  Two  GotcrnnieHis,  tbfemoil  powerful  in  fllhdtfftah,  were  thus  weak* 
«hfng  tbemfeives  by  dn  ifavetrriitc  War^  which*  from  the  kndwh  Difpofition  of  tbi 
Parties,  was  iffc^r  lik«ty  to  hate  an  Ehd,  ^cr  Settlements  were  at  Pieace,  and  your  Pro« 
fperity  wal  JiiakiHg  the  <}<i{cfc«ft  Ad^ailces  lo  it*  fdlleli  Statt.  Uttiiap{^Uy  for  yout 
Inteiefts;  tkt  Flaitia  <if  EXifl^ntioii  tt  length  bi^ke  forth  at  Bombai^  \  the  $eeds  of  Wat 
which  were  then  fown  in  Support  of  the  Caute  of  Ragonaut  Row,  arid  whicb  Were  aftef- 
wirdi  Dburifted  in  the  thoft  biiboonded  Mihner  by  the  Goveriinierit  of  Bengal,  gave  a 
Refpire  to  their  rival  PdWeH.  Th«y  foon  b^gah  to  flafkih  ih  their  Oppoiicibn.  The 
BretenfioR*  of  each  becaime  evdt^  Dtfy  ihore  modenite.  At  iengrh  tbey  combined  flgaiuft 
nsi  and  fr^fti  being  Enemies,  c^Mented  the  ftr6ngeft  Ties  ef  ihiituil  Afliftancc  and  Sa^* 
port  againft  a  Confequence,  wbitib  th6y  hid  ev^i-y  Reafbil  to  coriAder  as  tbb  fot-midable  ani 
interfering'  fof  the  Reptffe  of  India. 

1 1.  The  EflTea  ^f  thfs  t^  isriy  began  to  /hew  itfelf.  So  fir  back  A 
Consmirrefea  iji  0£tbber  177^1  Sir  Thoinas  Riirnbold  informed  the  Conimittee,  that 
October  1779*       the  Letters  dhd  lifeflages  received  froih  Hydf  r  Ally,  for  fohie  Time  pa{^; 

W^re  cbuebed  in  Tettn^  fd  hbftilt<  ibd  orifri»ftiily,  tMit  hfe  codld  fcarcely 
dtmceiv^  them  to  be  tKe  gerioine  PrdduaibAs  bf  that  PriAc^ : —  fllat  he  h'a(}  in  Co/if^* 
^uence  fertt  the  R^vefehd  Mr.  SWartsjd  the  Cbort  of  Seriiiga'patam,  with  privfte  In/^ro^« 
twas,  to  leirn  tbVrMl  DirpoHtibn' bf  Him  ;  btft  thftt  fbi  ItTue  of  his  Seaet  Kegbi^ia-i 
tion  was  fitch,  as  left  hini  no  Reaftn  to  ddutft  but  his  Intenfibns  wefe  hdfiile  both  to  tb^ 
Company  and  to  the  Nabob. 

22.  Alaroimg  as  this  Inl^rnrftfoiri  Wite,  no  R^foliTtibrt  wAs  talcen,  more  than  that  the 
Oentloffietf  at  Bk:ngal  flkdtfld  be  made  act^u&in'ted  With  it$  and  that  Gene^il  Oo^ard  ilio61tt 
be  advifed  of  it  tftfo.     Abb\iC  thrrt  Weeks  after,  th^  fame  Matter  wiiar  ^gaih  agitdted^  ft«« 

*  JiffemWerof  thd  CooiNwitte^  rtioved.  That  the  m'oft  vigofous  and  fpirlted 
Gommittee,  -Mdaft^r^^Okould  be  addf^ed  ;  ind  fob'^itted,  V(^hether  it  would  not  btf 

lothNof^r,  f77f.    proper  tb  tolled  a  Wdng  Bb«y  of  Tro'bps  at  Vdldfe  of  Cdhjkvframi 

wher€  they  nrright  be  daintbi^d  in  Readinefs  to  ^  sfs  Occ'aflon  tbighc 
require?  This^  however,  met  with  a  fimiiar  Face 5  nothing  more  was  doj^e  than  hstf 
lA;en  in  the  fiftuitt  lAftatoi6. 

t3.  Prom  this  Timd  uiitil  al^obt  fhe  Be^hnln^g  of  June,  no  further  Notice  is  tak^n  ol 
the  Mcsafiihiei  of  Ryder  an^  the  Marattas,  alchbbgh  the  rrit(!lHg«ace  cbrr.municifted  by  t\i€ 
Nab  'b,  gave  us  every  Reafon  to  fujppofe  that  he  meditated  fe^'e  formidable  Blow  a'galnff  th^ 
Caroa'tic.    Then  indeed  cfie  L^tt^frs  which  caih^  xt  daity  from  the  Frontier  Oarrifons,  wei« 

ampk  Conhrmation  of  Whut  h^d  been  dp{}rehended ;  and  to  encre»Ie  oui' 
Committee^  Pi'ffic^lties,  iti^  ^eti^  Cbmmittee  bf  Bcrmbiy  advifed  u^s,  un<itr  PaNi 

r74h  Juiy  1786.     the  iiSth'  iif  M^,   tW  the  Maratta  DuVbar^  had  declared,  in  pofitive 

Terms,  to  Gentfnt!  Gbddird,  «  That  the^  would  not  mifte  Peae^ 
**  with  the  En^iih  unlelir  Sli^fet  walrHlbred,  and  the  Perfoh  Af  Ra^b^h  was  gVfen  up.** 
.  24%  The  undoubted  Infotm'atib))  which  Wa^  tbeh  reeeived  of  tiie  warlike  Preparations 
that  were  malcitij^by^HyidtrAUy  C^Wb,  indii^ced  Mr.  Johnfoni  in  a  Mi* 
Committee,  note,  feconded  by  Mr.  Smith,  to  i;ecomircnd  to  the  Committee,  to  taki^ 
l^h^ne  into  CunHderation  the  Means  for  maintaining  an  A{my  in  the  Field  ; 
jiySo,  aiid  If  (hat  were  impra^cable,  that  they  would  deliberate  upon  Meafures  fc 

6  a  xeiftfetc- 

-4+  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  178*. 

reinforcing  our  Ganifooi,  and  for  keeping  op  a  Force  it  leaft  fuffic|eot  to  proteA  the 
Company*!  and  the  Nabob*s  Fofleflions. 

15.  Had  this  Opinion  been  followed,  the  Troops,  which  were  feparaced,  would  have 
been  formed  into  a  Body  within  the  Space  of  a  Month  without  Obftru£tion  or  Difficulty  { 
they'  would  have  marched,  unmolefted,  into  the  very  Heart  of  the  Carnatic,  and  would 
bate  been  ready  to  have  faced  the  Enemy  on  their  firft  entering  the  Ghauts.  But  the  fea- 
^nabld  Precautions  pointed  out  in  this  Minute,  were  difregarded  j  cbe  Apprebeofio^a 
about  Hyder  were  thought  groondlefs  ;  and  the  Opportunity  was  lofi^  which  might  have 
poflibly  prevented  the  IhvaHon  of  the  Carnatic. 

ft6.  It  la  not  our  Intf  ntioa  here  to  throw  an  ancandid  Ceofure  on  the  Qoadoft  of  the 
Majority  of  our  Committee,  in  this  early  Stage  of  the  Bufinefs.  We  gave  our  Opinicns 
•t  the  Time,  and  they  ftand  recorded  for  your  Honours  Information. 

27.  Had  indeed  a  Peace  been  concluded  with  the  Marattas,  or  had  there  been  the  Pro« 
fpt€t  of  fo  defirable  an  Event,  the  Rumour  of  H]rder*s  Intentions  might  bave  been  difre- 
garded.  But  when  we  had  the  cleared  Proof  before  ut,  the  Declaration  ^of  the  Maratta 
Court  itfelf  to  General  Goddard*s  Propofitions,  it  no  longer  became  a  Matter  th*t  could 
admit  of  further  Hefitation.  A  Pacification  with  that  Government  feemed  to  be  as  diflaot 
u  ever,  whilft  every  Exertion  that  we  might  be  enabled  to  make,  would  unavoidably 
create  an  Expence  of  both  Blood  and  Treafurci  which  muft  infaiUbly  exhauft  us  in  tbe 

28.  Tbe  DifpoGtion  of  the  Troops  belonging  to  this  Eftablifiiment,  was  likewife  a 
Circumftance  of  confiderable  Disadvantage  to  us.  One  Part,  under  tbe  Command  of  Co* 
looel  Braithwaite,  was  at  Pondicherry  j  Lieutenant  Colonel  Baillie  had  a  fine  Detach* 
soent  to  tbe  Northward  of  tbe  Kiftna  {  and  Colonel  Brown  had  one  Battalion  of  Euro- 
peans, One  Company  of  Artillery,  and  One  Batulion  of  Sepoys,  a£ling  under  the  Orden 
of  General  Goddard. 

29.  Our  Force  being  in  this  Manner  difperied,  no  Moment  could  have  been  onore  fa- 
vourable for  Hyder  to  have  entered  the  Carnatic,  than  the  Moment  he  embraced.  We 
were  unufually  weak,  from  the  different  Detachments  we  had  on  Service.  Bengal  was 
plunged  into  the  moft  ferious  Difficulties,  and  the  Treafuries  of  the  Company,  ia  every 
Part  of  India,  were  reduced  to  tbe  moft  *Utmin^  Situation. 

44.  Since  the  5th  November,  when  General  Coote  arrived,  every  Kind  of  Exertion 
hith  been  made  to  infure  to  us  Succefs  in  the  next  Campaign.  The  General  himfelf  i« 
now  encamped  at  Saint  Thomas*8  Mount  $  and  we  have  every  Reafon  to  expert  that  we 
ihall  reap  the  moft  fignal  Services  from  his  Conduct  and  Ability. 

45.  Circumftanced  as  General  Coote  is,  the  Commander  in  Chief  of  your  Forres  10 
India,  and  more  particularly  having  the  entire  Diredion  of  the  Army  under  General 
Goddard  oh  the  other  Side  of  India,  where  Hyder  is  moft  vulnerable;  we  could  not,  we- 
conceive,  have  a£led  with  greater  Attention  to  your  Intereft,  than  in  entrofting  to  him 
the  general  Management  of  the  War }  which  we  have  done  in  cbe  ampleft  Maniier  in 
public  Orders. 

46.  The  Orders  which  Sir  Eyre  Coote  informs  us  he  has  fen^  to  General  Goddard,  will, 
we  truft,  draw  that  Officer  from  his  oftcnfive  Meafures  agaioft  tbe  Marattas^  and  wtU 
enable  him  to  make  a  Diversion  in  the  Ridanore  Country,  where  the  Nairs.even,  we  are 
told,  are  ready  to  revolt  and  join  us^  althoogb  tbey  have  kept  the  Garrifon  of  "if  elliche^ry 
clofely  confined  to  the  Walls  of  their  Fort  for  a  condderabic  while  paft.  The  Prefence  of 
Sir  Edward  Hughes  aHb  renders  it  fiill  more  probable  j  the  Squa<jron  he  has  under  hia 
Command  being  at  hand  to  co-operate,  and  txanfport,  if  necefl*ary,  both  Men  and  Stoici 
to  Maogalore. 

47.  While  Meafures  for  the  general  Good  are  thus  purfuing  here,  at  Bengal,  and  At- 
Bombay,  we  have  not  been  inattentive  to  the  Resources  which  it  is  reafonable  to  imagine 
we  fliould  be  enabled  to  draw  from  thofeio  Alliance,  and  thofe  who  live  under  tbe  imrne-' 
4iate  Protedlion  of  the  Company. 

■.  The  Surrender  of  Arjcot  conges  in  another  Point  of  View,  Mabonied  Niidjif  Cawis» 
who  though  not  the  firft,  was  yet  a  Man  of  confiderable  Confequence  in  the  Management 
af  tbe  Nabob*8  Interefts  in  that  Province,  has,  fince  hia  Re turoi  delivered  in  •  Narrative 

of  the  Siege  to  bis  Mafter.  In  this  Narrative  your  Honours  will  obferve 
Committee,  a  Degree  of  Infinuation,  tendioj  to  caft  a  principal  Share  of  Blame  ca 

S7thNoT.  17S0.    your  officers  who  commanded  there.     Your  Officers,  on  the  contrary » 

complain  of  the  Nabob*s  People,  and  efpecially  of  Rajah  Beexbvr, 
who  had  the  Supreme  Atttbority  jit  A(cot>  aod  who  m  o«w  cornfideAtiaiJiy  employed  by 

3  •  55-  A 

•  •  • 

A.  I7&2.  .  1>    E    B    A    T'B    S.  4$ 

55.  A  Mattfr  of  this  Hatare  is  of  great  toipor^ance.  Io4ivt<la«11y  k  «ames  aSbub, 
'which  in  ail  Military  Services,  it  it  necen*ary  (hould  be  cleared  up  $  and  as  it  reiatss  to  cAic 
public  Wrlfaie,  it  is  fraught  with  Confequeoces  of  the  moll  ferioiia  Moment.  Wcit  tlic 
Parties  ooKerned  in  any  other  Situation  .than  that  to  whkli  they  are  reduced  hytJicrapi' 
tttlation^^a  Arid  Enquiay  ihould  be  had  into  every  Part  of  this  AflFair  i  at  they  «fe  9t 
prefenti  \ve  muft  patiently  wait,  until  an  Opportunity  (hall  favour  the  laveftig«tion« 

56.  The  Nabobi  who  has  uniformly  kept  up  a  clofe  and  frieadly  CorpeTpoadeaoe  with 
Fazut  Beg  Cawn,  the  Commander  in  chief  of  the  Nisam^s  Forcet,  lome  Days  ago  i^ 
formed  our  Prefideot,  that  h6  had  OflTera  from  the  Side  of  the  Decan,  of  Four  or  Fim^ 
Thouifaod  well-diicipline^d  Cavalry.  Thefe  Offers,  we  hadlteafoa  tocboclode,  lUd  come 
from  Fasul  Beg.  The  Expence,  however,  was  too  heavy  for  our  pre;feot  Relbarcca. 
Moreover,  there  appeared  a  Probability  of  AHiftance  from  Moodajee  Bonfalah,  the  Rajah 
of  Berar  }  and  until  we  were  ceruia  of  his  Intentions,  it  leemed  the  more  pradeat  Laos 
to  refrain  from  any  pofitive  Engagements  which  might  lead  ui  into  pecuniaiy  Diffif  Itici^ 
that  oar  Means  were  in  every  RefpeA  inadequate  to. 

57.  The  Door  '6f  Negociation  with  Paeul  Beg  Cawn  for  this  Body  of  Cavalry ,  it 

m  -  ----- ... 

ftiti  politic  to  keep  open.     We  impowered  the  Chief  of  Mafuljpatamy  therefore^  iio 
into  a  Correfpondence  with  that  Sardar,  on  the  SubjeA  |  but  to  dctermioe  on  ffi>*h«fjt  aatii 
be  had  our  final  Dire£lions. 

5S.  Early  in  our  Proceedings  of  the  lajft  Year,  your  Honour^  will  be  plcaled  to  oUerv^ 

that  we  refoWed  upon  raifing  a  Corps  of  Sibbeodies,  for  the  Porpolie  of 

Cunimittee,  collefling  the  Rcvehues  in  the  Circars  dependant  upon  Mafolipatam,  t» 

azd  May  lySo.    confift  of  Five  Companies  ;  and  that  we  likewife  dimmed,  chat  tfaefe 

Companies  ihould  be  raifed  and  incorporated  at  Vizagapatani,  witli  Ciac 
Two  Independent  Companies  of  Sepoys  there  on  the  fame  Account. 

59.  This  Force  leaving  our  regular  Sepoys  more  to  the  Detail  of  real  MiliCaiy  Service 
I  than  they  weie  before  in  the  Circirs^  and  the  Circars  themlel^es  being  far  fiom  any  Ap- 
pearance of  Difturbance,  we  re/bJved,  00  a  Reprefcntatioa  firmn  oai^ 
Committee,  Prefident,  that  the  Northern  Zemindars  Ihould  be  ordered  Co  fomtfli  a 

*4th  Dec.  1 7 to*    certain  Quota  of  Troops  to  join  the  Detachment,  if  aeceflary,  expcdeA 

from  Bengal.  The  Zemindars  have  accordingly  been  wrtiteo  toj  ani 
their  Numbers  in  Cavalry,  Sepoys,  and  Piken>en,  it  is  fuppofed,  wili  amomiC  to  igtSOO 
Men.  With  regard  to  their  Pay,  that  as  to  be  accounted  for,  and  dedudetf  from,  the  Tii- 
btite  of  the  Zemindars  when  the  prefent  Troubles  areover,  at  the  fame  Rare  tjbe  Zemia* 
dars  themfelves  pay  their  People  during  the  Time  they  keep  them  in  EmpioymeaC 
^         .  6o.  The  Tranquillity  indeed. of  the  Chicaoole'  Di0ridl,  fecdved  • 

I  tth^a^  '9S0      dangerous  momenury  Shock,  from  a  Mutiny  amoogfi  the  Gseaadscr 
^  .  17     •     5epoy8^  ^ho  were  ordered  from  Visagapatam  to.this  Prefideocy,  aii4 

who,  refuiing  to  embark,  turned  upon  their  Officers,  and  all  the  Europeans  of  the  Gar* 
rifon.  (The  Particulars  of  this  unfortunate  Revolt,  are  entered  in  the  Proceeding  sc- 
ferred  to  in  the  Margin.)  Lieutenant  Crifp,  Mr.  Vennef,  a  Cadet,  and  Mr.  Rutberfuid, 
one  of  your  Civil  Servants,  wece  killed  upon  the  Spot.  Mr.  Cafamajor,  the  Ciue<^  witk 
lieverai  other  Gentlemen,  were  feized,  and  clofely  confined  for  ieveraj  Hours. 

6r«  The  Plunder  of  the  Place  was  the  principal  Ot]je£b  of  the  Matineers  $  Aatac- 
compKAfd,  they  left  the  Fort  in  a  Body.  We  loft  no  Time  however,  ia  lending  every 
Afiiftance  in  our  Power  to  their  Relief.  We  fent  a  Party  of  Fifty  Invalid  Eompcans  by 
Sea,  and  ordered  the  Refident  at  Gaojam  to  reinforce  them  with  Thirty  Coffitees  fsom  that 

'  ^t»  Before  this  A'cceflion  to  their  Strength  had  arrived  at  Vixagapatum,  theRevolteis 
had  purfued  their  Way  inland  towards  the  Hills.  They  then  met  svith  Oppofition  ttom 
ibme  of  the  Zemindars,  and  were  drove  to  the  NeceHity  of  difperfing.  In  the  meanwhile^ 
confiderable  Rewards  having  been  offered  for  apprehending  any  of  thofe  concerned,  parti* 
eularly  the  Ringleader  Sheik  Mahomed  Soubahdar,  feveralof  them  were  dete^cd*  Tho 
Confequence  w»s  sn  imnnediate  and  eseroplary  Ponifliment. 

63.  The  Condu^  of  Gusxiputty  Narrain  Doo,  on  this  Occe£on,  was  fuch  as  to  merit 
tht  higheft  Marks  of  our  Favour.  We  accordingly  reiaftated  him  in  the  Zemiodary  of, 
ICinnedy,  on  Terms  to  the  Advantage  of  the  Company,  as  your  Honours  will  pcreewe^ 
on  Reference  to  our  Proceedings  on  that  Head  in  the  Revenue  Departooenr. 

64.  Th^  Letter  from  your  Honours  to  the  Rajah  of  Tanjorei  which  came  by  yoor  Sh'p 
I^afcelles,  we  deputed  One  of  your  Civil  Servants  to  deliver  to  him.  The  Rajah  received 
this  Mark  of  your  Friendfhip  with  the  Arongeft  Profeflions^  of  Attachment  to  your  Ho* 
^ours,  and  gt  Reliance  upon  yooi  p'tote^ion,    But  tbe  main  Obje^  piopoM  by  the 

.  Off ttCjcioA 


BepDCatton  of  Mr^  Lewin^  that  of  ptocuniig  a  Supply  of  Money,  wat  not  eftefted ;  the 
C^    mitt  R^ab  declaring  fa tmiirif  totally  unable  to  makt  any  further  Eaettioot  oh 

2'!?Jr^        that  Head,  ^r,  LewinS  Re^rt  is  entered  on  the  Proceedings  of  tht 
•4  VU,  iTOOf    Committee  referred  to  in  the  Maitio- 

^5.  The  fiackwardnefs  of  the  Rajah  to  rai(e  the  ineonfiderable  Sum  required  of  him» 
waatheCaafe  of  fome  Diilatiftfaflion  to  os;   at  the  Oune  Time,  we  conceived  it  oor 

Doty  to  aflure  him«  that  every  Thing  in  oar  Power  fhauld  bt  doiv 
Committee^  for  the  Security  of  his  Fort  and  Country.    But  as  it  would  be  abfo- 

BOthOfti  syto.     lutely  neceflfaty,  doringthe  Continuance  of  tbc  preient  TrouUct,  to 

get  a  fufficient  Force  into  the  Field  to  aft  againfl  the  fiuemy,  we  in- 
fmned  him,  we  CKpeded  hit  ready  Acquiescence  in  eirery  Thing  that  Aould  be  propofed 
to  him  for  oor  common  Safety*  Wo  told  him,  that  finding  great  Difficulty  in  rarcyiag 
on  oor  Military  Operations  fbr  Want  of  a  Body  of  Cavalry  ;  we  were  ufing  our  £ndea- 
wars  to  procure  a  fufficient  Noffiber^  and  that  we  ihould  take  it  at  a  Favooff  if  he  would 
g^ve  01  his  AHiftance.  ^ 

€$.  We  again  explained  to  him  the  htavy  Di/borfements  neceflary  for  the  Soppon  of 
Iho  War,  and  earoeftly  defired  he  woold  aSA&  us  in  the  Article  of  Money,  We  pointed 
oot  CO  him  how  itrongly  you  had  written  to  him  on  thit  Subject  in  your  laft  Letter, 
and  hoped  that  he  would  want  no  other  ladacemeot  to  exert  himielf  in  giving  you  an 
extraordinary  Aid  at  this  Conjundure^  when  ^ou  were  called  upon  for  the  Defence  of 
yoor  own  and  yoor  Allies  Pofl^ons,  againft  a  formidable  Power. 

•6f,  We  even  went  fo  far,  left  he  Aould  have  any  Colour  of  Excufe,  at  to  tell  him, 
ifhe  amid  not  poAibly  find  Means  of  pfocuriog  ready  Money  00  this  Occaflon  (which 
mt  mtfted however  conld  not  be  the  Cafe},  that  in  fuch  an  Events  we  had  no  Doubt  of  hta 
being  able  to  put  into  our  Hands  a  Quantity  of  Grain,  with  Liberty  to  mortgage  or  dif- 
foio  of  it,  in  fuch  Manner  as  might  enable  us  to  rai(e  the  neceSary  Supplies, 

6S.  To  all  tbefe  Reprefentations,  the  Rajah  Of  Tanjore  has  returned  nothing  bat 
cmptf  Words  and  Profeffiona,  which  he  does  notfeem  inclinable  to  realize. 

69.  This  being  the  Cafe,  another  Letter  had  been  fiace  written  to 
Cotttitry  Corte-  him.  We  have  totd  him,  that  the  numberleft  DifEculties  which  have 
fpondence'  prefented  themfelves  to  him,  to  the  raifing  a  Body  of  xooQ  Cavalry,  are 

«^tkX>ee,  1780.    aftoniAing  to  us,  el)>ecially  as  he  had  concluded  the  Expence  of  it  would 
Mo,  I4t«  .   be  dedu£)'ed  f^om  bis  Subfidy.— That  our  former  Letters  to  him  on'  the 

Subjeft  of  Cavatcy  was  wanted,  and  as  one  immediately  under  the  Pro* 
tofiioo  of  the  Company,  he  was  the  fSrft  looked  to  for  AliiAance.  We  told  him,  the 
Dliy  of  Difficulty  was  the  only  one  in  which  real  Friend/htp  could  be  fhewn ;  that  Pro* 
craitiaatton  mamfefled  a  Want  of  Warmth  in  thofe,  who,  from  the  PeciiKarky  of  theif 
IKtuatiion,  might  be  naturally  fuppofed  concerned  in  the  Want  of  public  Affairs.  That 
bad  Means  been  taken  in  the  Begirrning,  Che  fmall  Corps  he  had  been  folicited  to  raife 
iftight  have  been  now  complete ;  but  that  thofe  Means  had  beeo  unaccountably  neg- 
leded,  until  it  was  almoft  too  late  to  undertake  any  Thing  in  a  Matter  of  fo  much  Im« 
fottanee  to^  your  Affairs;  That  the  Tanjore  Country,  however,  having  heretofore 
cfcaped  every  Kind  of  Ravage  and  Devailation,  we  flill  placed  the  greateft  Dependence 
open  the  Afllftancein  both  Men  and  Mon^,  Which  it  was  peculiarly  incumbent  upoA 
kim  to  give,  who  eoioyed  the  amplef^  Benefit  of  your  Frotedlon. 

70.  Pofiibly  this  ReprefentaCion  to  the  Rajah,  may  have  the  £fFe£{  upon  him  W9  de* 
ire;  we  have  endofed  a' Copy  of  it  t»  the  Commanding  Officer  at  Tanjore,  with  Direct 
tions  to  enforce  the  Spirit  of  it  firmly,  but  at  the  fame  Time  with  the  greatcA  Doli« 
«acy,  left  the  Rajah*s  Fears  fhould  be  alarmed. 

93»  Inrolved  as  your  Affairs  are  in  eifery  Quarter  of  Hindofton,  the  Accufatioo  of 
w«ntoniy  adding*  to*  the  Flame,  carries  in  its  Confequences  a  Degree  of  Crimioaitty* 
wiiiohovery  Government,  fatisfied  with  the  Rectitude  of  it^  Aflions,  is  warranted  to 
door  icfelf  of^  and'  even  to  retort  upon  thofe  who  are  primaiily  and  principally  con* 

94.  We*  have  already  faid,  and  we  again  repeat  it,  the  Maratta  ^ar  is  the  fole  Caufe 
df  all  the  Mifbhiefs  which  hitherto  have  been  felt,  or  hereafter  may  befal  the  Intercfl  of 
SiqslMid  ilr*India.«MThe  vifionaiy  Purfuit  of  that  Scheme,  hath  plunged  you  into  the 
moft  complicated  public  Calamity.  The  Country  Powers,  tired  of  the  Yoke,  rejoice  at 
tfce'ruiriObsMeafures  which,  to  the  Expenditure  of  all  your  Treafure  in  Bengal,  and  of 
ail  that  hath  been  borrowed,  hath  been  ofFerifively  carried  on  againfl  the  combined  Ma* 
ratte  Empire.  Nor  fhall  we  hefitate  In  detlaring  it  our  Opinion,  that  unlefs  a  Peace  is^ 
i^etdityconchxdod*wich  that  Power,  thfe  hstd-earn^  Supremacy  of  your  Situation  will' 
'^  *  ttodtrg  Biowj  the  moft  fevere  that  it  hath  ever  yet  received* 

97»  Shortly^ 

A..h7?«v  ©    E    B    A    T    »    S^^^  ;   -  47, 

^ 5^..  ^  *y.       97*  Shordjr,  VROS;  tl>e  Depaitiiiie  of  Si«  Thaaut  EumWWs  w« 

CoBflttttee,  s«m    ^  J^  folicitci.  b]j  ic  NatoK  to.  a«Ul  him  witJU  a,  fmall  i.<ua  he  wa« 

j*uBe  I790«  1^  ^^^  ^f-^  f^  4«fcbgrgin^  a  OLemaod  mi4e  upoa  bim  by  Coloael 
Jimes  Capper,  As  the  Nabp>  appoAfcd  rery.  asxious  that  this  Debt  ihould  be  ckarai 
off*,  and  IS  he  engaged  that  the  Company  fliouM  neither  fuftaia  Lois- nor  Hilfeby  dM. 
TraofaAiopy  we  9<^ie/Qe<i  in  the.  Frpptfimaaude 'torus,  bf  bit  Hi^aoftj  a«daccor(U 
iDgly  granted  Colonel  Capper  a  Bood  for.  the  Ajnoaott  a«  U  paitico^arjly  fet  £uth  ia 
our  Proceedtogs  pf  th«  Day  referxed  to  in  the  Margin* 

ms^i^  %A     »^9  ^*o.  In.  confcqjiflnqe  of  an  Addrefc^  which  we  rcoctvod  frotthtmt* 

loen  jway  I7»«.     ^o^gepp  General*  in  which  h*  repommendt  •  Plan  f«r  th©  Hof^icU^ 
£xpfncea  of  l^is  Majefty*s  7^  Regiment,.  w«'  came  to  tb^  ReToiution,  ahhoogh  there 
was  no  PrfBcedent  for  the  Mpde  resominenijtdby  hjiXi«  to  adopt  it,  it  appearing,  th«.moftr - 
equitable,  until  your- Pleasure  ihoold.  be  i(no>vji.     The  Tamo  ta  be  cia;-i«ed  to  a  ^idoGt  A€^> 
edunt,  under  the  Hfai  of  Ejcpences  incurred. fen;  his.Majefty.*s  73f3.Rofkiment« 
Committca  ^*  '  •  '^***^**^'  ^^^  ^*^^*'  ^^^  °^  ^  ^^^  *77.7»-  *  MomowaliWai^  givtiii 

ift<Mavi74h>  ***  ^^  "^  ^  ^^*  Cajttain^  ti^utenaoti^  of  Artillecy^,  rtlativc  to  thair  Raab 
1  y  TWO*  i„  tjjj  general  Lino  of  the  Army$^io,.  iOrMay  1780^.  they  pus* 
fen  ted  us  another  Petition^  and  begg^sd.  we  would,  wcjta  to^tha  Geotieoien  of^Beagpi^  fo9 
Information  of  the  Regulations  they  had  thought  p^>per  toei(ahliih-iQ  •fimilar.  Ca&i*.  av 
the  Recommendation  of  your  Commander  in  Iqdia*  , 

i«ik  TuU  i«So  '**•  Wcaccordingly  wrqte.  to  B«a^al,on.  the  Subjc£(t-»lJhe/Aii* 

17111, juiy  lysp.  ^^^^  ^^^  thenae  wa»  full  a3»  tp  the-  Artilleirjj  R^miJ^  thcyv  hiHiT 
cftabliAedj  we  therefore  refojvedg  thattho  OflScer^  viho-held <CommiAi««»r  aa  Captaim 
l^ieot^nants  of  Artillery  on  .this  E^ablidtment^^  ihould  bo  e**^  <)A'thr  fame  Eootiag^witki 
tBe  Captain  Lieutenants  of  Artillery  in,  BengjJ,  viz.  that  fufhOffioeia  as  held  Goiamif«. 
fions  as  Cap'ain  Lieutenants  .on  the  I7,th  A^il.ijf^,  fhouldtaJkeRaakaaCapciunsciAtb^i 
yVrmy  from  that  Day;  and'tbat  fuch  Officers  as  haj  been  appointed  CViptain^Lieateflantt* 
of  Artillery  fince- that  Pefiod,,(hQuld  take  Rank  a»  Capitaiosiinvthe-Army^  agreeably  to 
the  Date  of  their  Captain  LaeutenantSjCpunmilfions,. 

|;i3«  Captain  Robert  Wood,,  whom  your.  Honours  wiere^  plaafcd.  to  nominate,  to  tluH 
Town  Majorihip  of  Kprt.S^int  Oeorge*,  dnring^the  Govcrmnaint.of  Sir  Thoaaas«RttAhaM|t 
haying  been  difapppinted  in.hii  E^cpfcOation  of.fiUiog^that  OfBcofg^Di.  appltedfto/uttoiik 
fhe  Departure  of  the  Genet^l  Barker,,  and  foUcited  the  A ppt»intflMOt  agreeably  to^^tital 
Tenor  of  your  Orders* 

114.  This  Matter  had  already  been  agitated  at  our  Board,  and  it  had  been  fubmitledk 
y|oiQ|B  to- your  Con^dcratioai  we  tl\erafore  agreed,-,  ai<  o^ir  PrcfidApt*  iotconfe^kence^of 
your,  military  Inftru^^lons  of.Mar^h  1774,^  and  ^^  Latitudetgivaoihknfby  tho  Company^*)* 
Orders  relative  to  Captain  Wood's  Aftpointineot,,had^npmioated Captain Sydcnbam:toiafti 
In  the  Office  of  Town  Major,  and  the  fame  had  been  given  out  ia  Geaarail  Ordovs^  thaci 
HP  further  Step  fliould  be^akoa  in  It  until  yoar  PJeaiikre  ihouU  bej&nown* 

ia5.  Captain  Harcourt  WoodKouie  having^been  reeommended  to^  Ueutentnt'G«4 
iierai  Sir  Eyre  Cbote,  we  have  granted  him  a  Certificate  to  partake  of  the  MilitafyiEundyi 
i^e  having  fworn  th^^e  was  not  dicedly.os.iaidUefily.pofl«Oed^of*2|fAol* 

ia6.  We  have  granted  our  Pern|i0»oa  to.Ciptain,GhaFles..iVaftfraadCafaaili  Thomaa 
Bagot,  to  proceed  to  Europe,  for  thesRe«eiW)Uihmefit^of  their  Health* 

127.  Lieutenant  Colonel  Thomas  Fietcher,. agreeably  to 'yoar  Conmiaadsi*  fucceeded 
t6  his  Rank  on  this  Eftabliihment;  ,but,we'are>coaperaed'tOiiBfefai  your  Honours^  thaT 
tjiat  braye.aod  V9|ltfable  Qj^cer.waar  affkong^  thoiawho  fell  .ill  tho' A^ion  of  thfc  lotkof 
S^eptember.  , 

.  la?*  ,Ma>or  ^lexajoderMaeleUao^  after  a>{hoi:tI}hielk,dkdioQ  the  a^tkof  JaA.Aiig«iB 
in  eonfequeoce  of  wMch,,  we  appptoted  Gotonel  Brathwaite  to  the  Gonmaod.of  the  Fort 
an d  Garrifon^  ajpd.  of  the-Troopy  fiatiooed  in  the.  Tanjore  Cooniry4 

129.  Mr.  Robert  Smith  Bird,. one  of' yaurSucgeoas  oa  this  E^blUlMncnt,  has  !«• 
Quefled  our  Permifli«a  to  accompany  Mr.  WhitehUi  to  England;  oafttbcJ^oke'of!^  Kin^ 
jlon ;  we  have. accordingly  .gcanted  Mr.  Rod  our. Leaver  to^atiieiidr'  Mr.  Whiteluii,,  nA 
vre  take  this  Opportunity  orrecommrnding-hire  ta  your  Honoarsytthat-kemay  retlini 
with  liis  I^aDk  in,  tbe>Line  of  SMrg^ns, 

Qommittec  ?  30.  Sir  Edward  Huglvee  having  jrecomweniied. that  a  pfoperPerfeii 

othOd  1780  ^^"^^  ^  ftationed  at  the  Daniih  Settlement  of  Tranquebar,  foe^tlw 
9  ^  •  *7  •  Putpofe :of:C9lleaing,Iole^igeace  there  with  irefp^a  to  the  Eoemyv- and 
having, at  the  fame  Time  men^ened..  Mc  Edyvaid-,  MaokiataiH  as  a^ Gentieman*.  w«U 
giMlified .  for  that ) Employ,} .  we  have« acco<diiig^y'appoinr>ed.'Me.-i0faekj&tofr' oor^Rtfii 
i|^^t  %\  Tran^t^e^a^.  with  aj».  A/i)sfwx$  0^409  Pfg^dai^  pei  Muacii^. 

P  A  R  L  I  A  M  fi  N  T  A  fe  Y  A.  1782 

T39.  Ywar  Heiioort  bave  been  frequently  advifed  of  the  Diftrefles,  ia  whkb  Colonel . 
Jsmeiy  your  ComAtmimg  Officer  of  Artillery^  hath  been  involvedy  fronn  a  Failorc  oa 
the  Part  of  the  Nabob,  in  Payment  of  a  coofiderable  Sum  of  Money,  advanced  by  him 
to  bis  Iligbnrft*a  motiBOM  Troops  in  1776  and  1777.    The  Particulars  of  his  Calie  are 
nrlnhy  of  yoor  AttentsoBt 

'139.  In  Novenaber  1776,  the  iirft  dangerom  Motioy  broke  out  in  the  Nabob's  Se- 
^cond  Re^mcnt  of  Cavalry,      Colonel  James  was  then  Commandant  of  Trichinopoly. 
A»  foon  as  he  reccited  Intelligence  of  the  Revolt,  he  fent  Parties  of  Sepoys  with  Let- 
ters wrote  indifferent  Languages,  to  learn  their  Route,  and  with  Oftexs  to  them  of 
5,000  Pagodas  iinmedtatefy  on  their  retorning  to  their  Duty,  and  of  1,000  .Pagodas  per 

Month,  until  the  Nabob's  Pleafure  fliould  be  known.  **  1  did  this, 
Cbunnittee^  *'  (fays  he),  becanie,  on  my  Appointment  to  the  Command  of  Tri- 

ll th  April  17  So,     '*  chinopdy,    I    had    an    Opportunity    of  vifiting  the    Cavalry, 

"  which  was  then  in  that  weH>difciplined  State,  as  to  command  Ap- 
**  plaofe  from  every  Gentleman  who  faw  them,  many  Encomiums  having  been  paid 
**  them  by  Officers  of  Cavalry  formerly  in  his  Majefly*s  Service.  From  their  Appear- 
**  ance,  and  the  Pains  that  were  taken  hf  their  Officers  to  render  them  complete,  I 
"  ooold  not  but  do'y  coniider  the  very  extenfive  Service  they  would  be  of  to  the  Car- 
'^  static,  in  cafe  of  Trovbte,  and  therefore  I  was  folly  determined  to  give  every  Affiftance 
•<  in  my  Power  to  relieve  them  in  their  Diftrefies.** 

140.  For- this  firft  Advance,  Colonel  James  received  the  Thanks  of  the -Board,  nnder 
Date  4tii  December  1776.  This  induced  Colonel  James  to  make  further  Advances  of 
OaA  I  which  he  continued  until  the  ift  April  1777,  when  a  Second  Mutiny  broke  out 
in  Capain  Campbell's  Regiment,  cantoned  at  Zepherabad,  a  few  Miles  from  Hyder 
Ally's  Country,  and  which  had  every  Appearance  of  being  produAive  of  fatal  Coofe- 
focnces,  the  Regiment  being  completely  equipped  for  Service^  with  Eight  Field  Pieces, 
nod  every  Thing  elfe  in  Proportion. 

'  S41.  The  Intelligence  of  Captain  CampbeU's  Situation,  he  and  his  Officers  being 
naade  clofe  Prifoners,  was  carried  ro  Colonel  James  by  the  mereft  Accident.  He,  how- 
ever,  faw  no  Time  waste  be  loil'}  and  accordingly,  confiH^og  nothing  but  his  Duty, 
immediately  fent  to  them,  and  bound  himfelf  for  the  Payment  of  fo  much  of  theif 
Arrears  as  he  poffibly  could  provide  Funds  for.  His  Obligation  they  looked  upon  aa 
fofiicient.  They  rekalSed  their  Officers,  and  fliortly  afterwards  went  upon  Service, 
^ving  received  their  laft  Di?idcn4  of  6qqo  Pagodas  from  Colonel  James  the  i&  of  June, 


14ft.  Confidcrabic  as  thefe  Advances  were,  they  were  yet  inadequate  to  the  Pay- 
naent  of  all  the  Arrears  due  to  the  Cavalry,  as  appeared  fi'om  the  very  alarming  Con* 
doA  of  the  other  Regiments  who  furrounded  the  Nabob  at  Chepauk,  and  obflinately 
nefofed  retiHog,  vnle^  they  were  fatt»fied  in  what  they  had  a  Right  to  demand,  in  con- 
iequence  of  their  Agreement  on  entering  his  Service.  The  Loan  made  by  Mcffieura 
Taylor  and  C^.  on  this  Account,  hath  repeatedly  been  ftated  to  your  Honours  in  th^ 
fialleft  Manner. 

143.  Colonel  Jam^s  had  indeed  another  Reafon  for  making  the  coniiderable  Advance 

he  did  to  thefe  Regiments  of  Cavalry,     "  |  was  encouraged  to  do  t|iis  (fay^ 

Ibid.        *'  he),  by  the  DtreAions  of  the  Commander  in  Chief  to  me  to  raife  more 

**  Money  $  and  he  had  full  Powers  from  the  Honoorgble  Board,  (o  take  every 

**  Meafare  he  faw  necefTary  to  quell  the  Mutiny.** 

.  J44»  Under  thefe  San^lionsi  therefore,  Colonel  Jsmes  advanced  all  the  Money  he; 
could  raife.  The  Nabob,  however,  was  flow  and  uncertain  in  refunding,  either  the 
Frtncipal  or  Intereft.  This  drew  a  Remonftrance  from  Colonel  James,  We  faw  and 
fek  for  his  Diftreflrs,  and,  fen^ble  of  the  Juftncfs  of  his  Demand,  interefied 
Ibid«  Qorfelves  for  him  with  the  Nabob  3  but  his  Highnefs  ftill  continued  dilatory. 
He  promifed,  fndeed,  that  Colonel  James  ffiould  be  repaid ;  but  yet  the  Day 
was  at  a  Diftanccy  and  Colonel  James,  though  fuftering  under  a  fevere  Complaint,  ha4 
the  painful  Profpefl  of  being  obliged  to  remain  in  this  Country,  when  a  Qhange  of  CU- 
mate  ws(s  become  abfolutely  necefiary  to  his  Recovery. 

145.  Thus  reduced,  he  made  us  feveral  Applications,  and  at  lenfEth  got  the  Nabob 
to  requeft  we  would,  on  his  Account,  fati^fy  Colonel  James  for'  the  I^oney  he  ha^  a^d* 
vaneed.   .        ' 

'    146.  Senfible  of  the  Merit  which  Colonel  James  manifefted  at  the  Time  of  maI(.iog 
the  Advances,  and  of  the  real  Neceffity  there  was  for  feme  fpirited  Es^ertion  for  the 
Brefervation  of  a  Corps  which   might  have  beeh  of  the  greateft  Utility,  we  rei^dilj 
agreed,  that  on  th^  Nabob's  engaging,  to  repay  the  Company  within  a  ihort  Period  of 
I  piffle,  I  J^ond  ihould  be  |rante4  ta>  Colonel  Jam^s  for  t^^  Bailee  whici^  (hould   b# 


A.  17S*.' 

6  E   »  A  T   B   8. 


iae  to  Mm.  ActorSingly,  the  Kaiiob  hrnh%  «cqua*nt^d  us,  t^h)Ugl>  Our  Prefideht& 
that  the  >|in0uo;  i^Qv^  bt  difpharg^d  at  nt^cdnioujl];  %i  ppfli^le,  w^  (xave  ^ai^tM' 
9  Bond  to  Cb)onel  James  for  ^ago^s  40.74Z.  25.  Bo,  the  Sum  now  o^vrng  to  him  b^  hil 

148.  The  Proceediagi  of  a  Counct)  of  War^  held  hj  the  Commander  lA  Chi^  of 
your  ForceS)  now  go  a  Number  in  the  Packet,  together  with  our  Sentimenta  on  the ' 
Subje£fc«    To  thefe  Proeeedings  we  beg  ypvc  particv^r  Atttntipn. 

IA9.  W^  have  the  P|eafure  to  acquaint  jfou^  that^  by  a  lietter  from  Sir  Edward 
Hughes,  datfd  the  4ih  December,  we  are' informed  of  the  fafe  Arrival  of  his  Majeffy's 
Fleet  at  Tel!  cherry,  where  he  landed  for  the  Reinfottebient  of  that  Garri/gn,  t  Cap. 
tain,  4  Subaherps,  and  IqS  Mar!nta|  and  of  his  havipg  fuppUed  them  with  So.opo' 
Kupees  for  their  Dilburfemeots,  and  a  Quatitity  of  Grain,  Sir  £dward  has  Ukewife  in- 
formed U8>  thft,  at  t^e  e'tneft  Solicitations  pf  the  Chief  ftod  Fa^ors^  as  well  as  of 
Itlajor  Colgrave.  who  commands  the  Trbops  at  Tellicherryi  he  had  dueled  the  Cap^ 
tains  of  the  Cox|ipany*ft  Ships  Ponibane  and  .Cootra£bor^  to  remain  there  fpr  the  PuV*' 
pofe  of  keeping  o^&  the  Pott  for  Supplies  of  ProTiilont|^  vntil  KdnfprcemeJits  iftoiild 
arrive*  ,  - 

150.  From  Tellicherry  Sir  lE^ward  ^ropofed  proceedihg  with  the  ^ttadrpo  to^ftda 
Bombay,  touching  in  bis  Way  at  Mangalore,  to  fee  if  anv '  thiti|  efijedt^al  conld  be 
done  againft  Hyder*s  Veflels  in  that  Part. 

]i|i.  By  a  Letter  froip  ou^  Refident  at  Qaoj^m,  we  are  lic^u^Jntej  that  a,  Prenph' 
Privateer,  moui\tin^  iS  punS|  apd  fuppofed  to  b^  in  Concert  With  another^  h*^  bee^ 
cruifing  off  the  Northern  ^orts  of  this  Coaft'  for  ibise  Tltoe  palt^  atid  had'  tkkcn  fogie 
few  Coqotry  y^lflets. 



aJiMXIiMMif  Uiif  mm 


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'VfJtJJUAhi  Pettie,  Si^uitey  atteadinpi  netorOogto  tit^,  ita!^  called  in  |  i<idata» 

'     aasBedi.  '-•    •  . 

^  I  w^itfiittEbtoMadiM  Sn  tl^  CompuyS.  Civil  9$rtl^  ahovt^iy  Vean  a8o.#»Ha«B 
•£iedinthe  Stations  of  Commiflary  and  Paymaifs^  ibe  Ainy  duriag  the  laft  War 
with  Hyder  Ally,— «t  the  firft  Siege  «if  Taflji9ic»  and.  the  febieqaent  Campaigns* -r-l  wae 
then  appointed  Secretary  to  the  Ooiremment  at  Madras ;  in  which  Department  i  f e« 
flifittBd  t^aji  lUtdriato  ^eglaod'  ^ttfff^.'Wtke  iiicceadiu  Veac  J  moaned  to  India 
with  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold-^Was  appointed  Envoy  or  Reiideot  io  the  R^ah  o£  T«s« 
jore— I  was  next  appointed  to  the  Cbief/hip  of  Nagore  and  Carrtcole'^I  left  India  a4siiA 
in  J^evary  I7S4»^  and  ^ng  oofoing  j>ver  I«and,  wai  obiigied,  eo  Account  ef  ^  Plague 
In  Torkey,  to  return  to  Bombay.-»-I  was  prefent  at  the  Ga|»loce  of  Baflcie  by  the  Baa* 
gelAiyaiy;  and  on  the  Malabar  Coaft  had  aa  O^oniinity  ef  besxiogof  Hyder  ^Iiy*i 
alarming  Succefs  in  the  Carnatic,  and  the  difttefied  Sbtate  6i  the  BngUfi  Government  aC 
Madras.— —I  left  the  Coaft  of  India  the  tith  of  Februaryp  retamed  t»  Biiiope  afoa  a 
Pertvguefe  Shtf,  and  arrived  in  Ef gland  Scpteasber  i^St. 

Honr  long  did  yen  Bunaia  el  MadrfM,  alter  your  Avaral  thei«  iritfe  Sir  7h$m9$ 
BemboM?  ■■% 

^Afaoi^  JA  Dayt. 

How  many  Days  Jonmey  !•  it  from  lladne  to  Taojeffli?  * 

By  going  Poft»  it  may  be  done  in  Thfcee  Days  jM-dn  thcgeaecal  Viy,  k  reuses  lit 
or  Seven*  * 

Wae yoefat  Madsai arfaea  Cieeak weeAboUAedl 

No,  I  was  then  at  Tanjore ;  I  heard  of  it  there. 
:^.  Wct^the  ZemindaKt  at  Madras  at^oor  Retora  dien  hem  Tanjece  f 

Vol,  VI.  H  Mofl 

S» ,  P  A  R  L  I  A  M  JE  N  T  A  R  Y  A.  1782* 

.Moft  of  them  I  believe  wete  tkere-rl  had  net  uj  Cooverlatloa  or  J^oiniiittvicatioa 
w'uh  them. 

Had  you  Rearoii  to  know  that  the  Coifimtttee  of  Circuit  ha4  heen  abolifbed  f 


Were  you  ac^uaiaud  with  the  Objeda  of  the  Appomtmeat  of  the  Conunittce  of  Cir- 
cuU>  *        ^, 

ri:  -     ■  ■ 

,  From  your  Knowledge  of  the  Prrfidency  of  Midras,  and  ihe  A^afr«  under  their  Ad- 
mfniftratiofly  is  it  your  Opinion,  that  the  OtyeAs  of  the  Committee  of  Circuit  were  moft 
likely  to  be  accooipJiilxed  by  the  Continuance  of  ths  Comoiittee,  or  by  calling  the  2le- 
ipindan  to  Madras  > 

X  am  clearly  of  Qp.iniot\^  by  the  Qontinuance  of  the'  Committee  of  Circuit,  for  the 
following  Reafona ;  vi«.    , 

.  Becaufe  the  Comnijttee  of  Circuit  was  dirc^ed  to  proceed  to  the  Kotthero  Circart* 
9jkd  iirvefligate  the  yafious  Meters  which  had  leen  complained  of  in  that  Bran':h  of  the 
(j^mpany^s  Governm.e«ty  and  t^caufi^  the  Inflru^tions  given  them  for  their  Guide,  ap- 
peared to  me  well  calculatedf  to^accompliih  the  Purpofes'of  Reformation;  whereas,  by 
cii)Uo£  the  Zemindars  to  .Madraa*  the  B(|a(d  CQuld  only  .have  a  partial  Evidence,  a«d 
ivaft  be  liable  to  Impdfitibn  and'  Deception  from  ttiofe  Men  whofe  Intereft  it  «  as  to  keep 
them  in  the  Dark.«-From  my  fCnowledge  of  the  Mpn  who  were  appointed  to  form  that 
Committee,  I  think  they  were  very  capable  of  executing  that  Truft.    , 

Were  there  other  Gentlemen  ii^the  Service  under  that  Prcfidency,  capable  of  fuppIy-> 
iq%  the 'Place  of  any  Mea>ber  oFthat  Committee,  In  cafe  of  a  Vacancy? 

A''great  many  Indeed.     ' 

Had  you  Reafon  to  know  that  the  Zemindars  coffiplaioed  of  the'  Hardihip  of  being 
brought  down  to  the  Prefidency  of  Madras  ? 

/»    1  do  not  know  it,  fo  as  to  wari;^nt  my  calling  it  Perfpnat  Knowledge  ;  hot  it  was  the 
notorious  and  univerfal  Senfe  of  the  Prefidency,  that  they  had  fo  complained. 

Was  it  your  Opinion^  or  the  general  Belief,  either  at  Madras  or  Tanjore,  that  Hyder 
Ally  meant  ftA.JAV4fioiL«f.4^  jCaraai^  a  ^nofidarabk  Time  heCoce.  iUn  UtUftion  there  f 

From  the  Jong  Mifunderftanung  and  Jealoufy  which  had  fubfifted  between  Hyder 
Ally  and  the  Madras  Government,  I  never  doubted  but  that  we  fhoold  be  involved  in 
War  with  that  Power,  as  foon  as  be  Jhould  find  a  favourable  Opportunity,  which  could 
only  have  been  prevented  by  a  poAtive  Alliance  between  him  and  the  EngliAi,  a  Mea- 
fure  which  he  had  frequently  courted.<— He  viewed  our  Attack  On  Pondicherry  with  a 
very  jealous  Eye  {  and  would,  in  my  Opinion^  hCve  given  Affiftance  to  the  French,  but 
for  a  favourite  Enterpriee  which  he  wasven^agfdHn  at  that  Time.— >— Our  Attack  on 
Mahe,  and  the  fubfeqoent  Operations  in  the  Guntoor  Circar,  I  believe  he  confidered  as 
open  A£t8  of  HoHility  ;— but>in  Anfwer  to  the  Qiieftion,  I  will  venture  to  fay,  that  he 
oettaiibly  meditated  War.a|.je»ty  aa^the  Time  of  the  Siege  of  Pondicherry;  WVich  I 
heard  from  Tanjore,  and  from  a  Man  who  had  formerly  been  in  Hyder  Ally's  Service, 
afidiih*h9d  p«d  fnttaiViAt  atNagerej  at  whii^Time  I  believe  be  wtv  aiding  at  aA 
iaftrior- Vakeel  with  theiDvtch.  at  Ncgapatarrj   ......  ' 

"  Axk  yott  one  of  the  Executors  ef  Mrt  Redliead*s  Will? 

•  y«8.  .'.•'•  ..•'... 

•  Is  there  a  difputed  Article  in  that  Will,  delating  f  «  Sum  of  Mone)  claimed  ifom 
Sitteram  Rauxe  ?        • 

•■  Yes*  >       . .     ,  _      ^ 

-  Had  you  Oecaiton  to  know  any  Thing  of  the  Foondatioa  of  the  Debt  dsioied  by  Mr* 
Rfdbead*8  Execetors  from  Si^eeram  Rauze  .^   <         1    -.  -* 

f  itap^ared  tovi^^  »>^m-of  Money  promifed  by  Sittctam,  or  hit  Agent,  to  Mr.  Jled* 
bead;  tor  certain  Servioe«4o  be  rendered  by  him*        • 

*^  What  were  Jthofe' Services  ?. 

Being  abfent  from  Madras  en' PpblfC  Service,  daring  all  the  Time  alluded  to  in  the 
Qnellion,  I  wair'ohdtfr  fhc  Neeeflity  of  leavi|ig   the  Execeterihip  ot   Mr#.  Redhead*e 
Will  to  Mir.  Brodie,  who  was  the  other  Executor;  1  can  therefore  only  fay,  that  I  be*.. 
lieve  the  Services  were  the  accomplifliing  of  certain  Points  for  Sitteram  Reuse  et  tht 
Pr«£idency,  through  his  (Mr.  Redhead^)  Infinenici. 

•;  In  whet  $:atio/i  was  Mr*  Rcdhead-et  that  Timet     .  .• 
Private  Secretary  to  Sir  Thooras  Rombold  theXxovernor. 

Do  you  know,  fi^m  any  Circumftance  wbateveri  at  whit  Time-  the  iatd  Prefeet  wet 
promifed  to  Mr.  Redhead  ?  .       .        •  .-     .  .       ' 

a:  i78i.  -DE   B    X'  t'e   s.*-  '^  it 

I  cannot  po^tively  fay  the  Tinfie  $  but  I  have  a  Copy  of  the  Agreement,  which  wai 
tfanflate^  from  the  Originai  by  a  Perfon  who  1  know  well,  and  believe  to  be  anfftp 
which  I  will  fend  to  the  Comtaittee.  ^ 

What  Defence  did  Sitteram  make  againft  the  Claim  made  by  Mr.  Redhead^s  Ezecu* 
tors  ?  '  > 

I  cannot  clearly  anfwer,  on  Acconi^  #f  ^e'^Diftance  of  Time»  and  ay  being, thtA 
abffnt  from  Madras. 

At  the  Time  I  left  India,  I  fhortly  fufpi^ied  that  Hyder  Ally  was  meditating  aa  At« 
tack  upon  the  Carnatic  |  and  I  will  now  ftate  to  the  Committee  my  Reafona  for  that. 
Opiflwn.    •  /  ■  '     \        V  .  .    r    K  '      .    ;^ 

Bfcaufe  I  know  Hyder  has  bren  inimical  to  the  Cnglifh,  iince  a  (hort  Time  after  the 
Peace  of  1769,  when  the  Ma.'^ras  Board  with^held  from  him  the' Succours  which  he 
thought  he  had  a  Right  to  claim  in  confequsn^e  of  that  Treaty,  when  his  Country 

was  invaded  by  the  Marattas. The  Misfortunes  of  that  War,  in  which  he*  kft  hta 

Army,  and  a  confiderable  Part  ef  his  Dominions,  he  charged'to  oor'Breach  of  Engage- 
ments }  %ndfrom'  that  Period)  I  bcJieve  -he  has  eagerly  lookiid  for  a  favourable  Oppor^ 
tuniry  of  makiag  War  upon  the  Englifli  in  Ifidia.-^— *lt  was  the  Tranfailinns  of  that 
Time,  whtcb  gave  Rife  to  his  fubfcquent  Connexions  with  the  .Fivnch.  NeverthaleTs^ 
finding  that  he  could  expe£l  no  eflential  Support  from  that  Power  in  India,  aikdappre^ 
henfivc  of  a  Second  Vifit  from  the  Marattas,  in  the  Year  I7r3,  he  again » folicitol  ^ 
Frtendihtp  and  Alliance  with  tl>e  Englifli  agatnft^  the  common  Enemy,  at  he  then  termed 
the  Marattas ;  and  made  foch  advantageoua  Ol&rs  to  the  Company^  that  had  the  Ma- 
dras Board  6ecnkt&  it  expedient  in  other  Refpe£ls  to  accede  to  his.  Requeft.  the^moft-iblid 
commercial  Adi^ntages  might  then  havebeenobtaioed'  for  the  Company.— •!  was  then 
Secretary  to  the  Board,  where  the  Subje£V  was  often  debated ;  but  at  Jaft  it  was  refolvfd 
to  decHne  the  piopofcd  Alliance,  and  to.  obferve  a  ftri^  Neutrality  between  Hyder  Ally 
and  the  Marattas.-— —His  Refentpent  upon  this  Occafion;  X  believe,' cemented  his 
Coon^ions  with  the  French,  aad-^  not  improbably,  gave  him  the  firft  Idea  of  an,  At* 
liance  with  his  6ld.£Aen)y  the  Marattas.— •Frbm  that  Period,  until  my  Retorn  to  Indie, 
an  f77S,  I  believe  the  Correffiondence  between  Hyder  Ally  and  the  Company*s ^Gov^ra* 
tnents  waa  merely  civil  ^  I  am  certain  not  corJiai.— Upon  the  Arrival  of  Sir  Thoihai 
Rumbold  at<Madra8|  fome  Correrpondence.  1  have  underftoed  took  place,  on  the  Svb* 
jeA  of  an  Alliance ;  yet,  when  Pondicberry  was  attacked  4>n  the  Commencement  of 
Hoftilities  with  France,  it  waa  generally  imagined,  and  1  believe  juflly,  that  Hyder 
would  have  tried  to  ralfe  the  Siege,  had  not  his  Arms  tft  that  Time  b«tn  employed  iiiv 
another  Quarter.  •■ .       ,        , 

The  fubfequent  Attack  upon  Mahe,  and  the  Operations  in  -the  GontOortSircar,  wat 
coofidered  by  Hyder  as  ^fitive  AAs  of  Hoftility ;  and  from  that  Time  he ,  feems  10 
have  made  no  Secret  of  his  ho^ile  Defigns  againft.  the  Carnatic-v^I  was  then  leaving 
Inrdia,  and  my  own  Reflef^ions  upon  all  thefe  Circumftancca  which  I  have  now  related, 
added  to  the  Information  which  1  received  from  Mr.  SchwartZi  who  had  juft  then  ve- 
turoed  from  the  Myfore  Durbar,  ;ind  from  other  Channels  of  Intcll^'gence,  made,  me 
conelude  that  a  War  was  not  far  diflaOt,  and,  that  Hyder  only  waited  for  an  Opportunity 
to  begin  Hoftilities  $  and  I  was  forry  to  fee  that  the  Maratta  -War,  by  cxhaufting  the 
Company's  Refources,.  and  difperiing  the  Force,  was  likely  to  afford  him  a  very  favour- 
able one  ;  fo  that  when  I  left  Madras*  I  ntvcr  doubted  but  that  the  Carnatic  would  veiy 
iooD  be  the  Theatre  of  War.^^l  muft  hoivever>add,  that  although  I  have  mentioned 
the  Capture  of  Mahe,  and  the  Meafures  with  refpeA  to  the  Gontoor  Circcr,  as  power* 
fu)  Provocations  to  Hoftility ;  yet  in  my  Opinion,  Hyder.  would  not  have. involved  hiin-^ 
felf  in  a  War  with  the  EngliJh,  had  there  been  Peace. in  Hindoftan,  until  he  had  re- 
ceived the  Troops  which  were  ptomiied  him  from  France  f  nor  do  I  think  he  would 
erer  have  trufted  his  Infantry  and  Guns  in  the  Carnatic,  had  the  Madras  Government 
only  aflemMfd  the  Forces  under  that  I'reliHency  in  proper  Time,  and  ordered  the  Artrf 
€0  move  towaids  the  Wefttrn  Paites,  when  they  heard  of  Hyder^s  Appioach  from  Ben- 

Hi  'Ne*«. 

m  P  A  R  L  I  AM  B  N  T  A  R  Y  Ai  ij%t^ 


Nob  6« 

Ferf  ^//UMy  Stem  D^anmetit,  C$neral  Lttttr^  daad  vh  Jafmsry  ty9f, 

9^  die  Hononnbie  tlic  Court  of  DireAolt  for  Affaift  of  the  Honourable  Uttited  Co»|iii>) 

of  Merohtiitt  of  Sag Iaii4  trading  to  the  £aft  indite. 
»  •    .  • 

•^  Honourable  Sirf, 

IPar.  i.npHE  Dcpartniv  of  Major  John  Seott  to  Europe,  hj  ecpreit  AppeiMment  feofli 
'  '  the  Qoveriwr  Qceertfl^  aiiiia  fiiiva^e  Ag'-ot,  afforetng  «•  *fl  Opportuaity  of 

Adi^cciSiBg  you,  we  haVi  ti^e  Honoor  to  •w\  ourfeives  of  tt  bi  tnnfinitrifig  to  yoo,  in  Tri- 
fiicase,  our  laft  Advices  from  tbia  Department,  by  the  Sbtps  Ftn  aiid  Walpo!^*  ^  Major 
iScott  has  taken  bis  PaiTige  06  a  Pbrtoguefe  Ship,  which  being  io  flop  in  her  Way  ot  Fort 
(Saint  Georgft  we  have  recummended  ic  tp  the  FireSdeeit  and  Sekft  Committee  tt  that 
Place^  to  embrade  the  fatne  Occafioa  of  ^triA^nirting  to  you  a  Relation  of  the  Pccttri^encet 
vp^  the  Cokift,  to  the  lateft  Peciod  of  M'jor  Seoit^  Stay,  ^e  beg  Leave  to  retoeamcsid 
/tiiis  Gentleman  to^  your  Favour^  and  th^t  he  iiiay  be  reftored  to  the  Cemp4ny*a  Service* 
'with^ti'rcjiidict  to  his  Ranki  if  be  ihould  be  heireaffr  defirous  of  retemsiig  ti>  .faengeL 
t)afed  10    t  ^^  fend  to  yoe  Kembirra  in  this  Difpatch,  Copiei  ef  the  Lettert 

^      NT       '  whtfch  we  have  received  from  Lieutenant  Gexteral  Sir  Eyre  Coott,  fioce 

^°     ^^*  «re  had  the  Honour  of  addre^ng  you  by  the  Fox»^     We  ait  modi 

cbbtoned-  that  the  Information  contained  in  them  obliges  us  to  fay,  that  we  ftiil  eofitimie 
•in  £«pcdatioaof  teovt  fawoorkble  Accounts  o#  the  State  of  your  Afeira  oh  tlieCoail, 
The  Coniidefree  which  we  place  in  the  Exertions  of  Lieutenant  General  Sir  Syite  Coote« 
hi  lin  Ex^eriencfe  in  Military  Affairs,  Mid  in  hia  ^eat  for  the  •Public  StitVioe,  will  not 
'  fetmtt  OS  cp  dei^ond  of  «  -pro^eroua  Chenge  in  it>  i^iie  he  coftttnvet  at  the  Head  of 
^dr  Army  I  nor  &»){  any  itiffiftance  be  wanting  whkh  we  am  tender,  to  give  X4k6t  to 
(  his  Eflfbrte.    The  Mtlltaay  Expcocea  ere  indeed  Urge,  biA  We  have  proaatfed  10  pro^e 
for  them  as  long  as  we  are  able  |  and  a^ing  upon  that  Promife,  we  have-ordertd  thut  the 
>Sem  of  C.  R4  ^x^-jZi  10.  3,  ihonld  be  remitted  tofoit  S^t  Oeorge,  in  Spede»  by 
>  the^Mp  'Dolte  ix  Poitlaod,  now  under  fatlihg  Orders.    We  mve  taken  Meefarea  to  con- 
tifloc  to  thut  Pfcddeocy  Supplies  of  Grain^  and  other  Articles  of  which  they  ere  in  l^eed, 
«nd  fhali  in  so  inflance  rehnc  ii)  our  declared  Refolotioi}  to  relieve  their  Wants,  ea  far  aa 
we  may  he -able  to  ioppiy  them^  but  it  i«  ifbt  in  out'  Power  to  afford  that  Aid  which 
the  ArrrytS'faid  grehtly  to  require,  in  an  Encreafe  of  its  Strength  in  ^firepeana.    Tho 
"\infortunate  Difirflier  which   befel  the  Dettchmeatt  froth  General  Muori»*8 'Aiftfy  near 
'  Cffojeverain,  in  Sepl^ber  Uft,  wtf  atiendetl  with  an  important  D.mioucio^  of  hi,  and 

•  we  %n  not  able  tb  4>afe,  from  ^t  Defence  of  odr  own  Provinces,  more  than  have  been 
*ll  cady  (ietached  from  them. 

'  3;  This  ConiMierattony  added  to  others  which  eiife  from  the  preicnt  State  bf  your  Af- 
"fairt  on  thtfCoafS  md  theNecc^ty  which  wefieclofgivnigevery  Aid  toyotnr  hrefidcocy 
-  of  fort  S  jmt  Q.tot%t  thatcan  poflibly  be«btaincd,  -without  too  difpreportionace  e  Sacrifice  of 
tiie  PoflcUtona  of  the  Company,  or  ^  thoib  of  the  tiabob  Walaw  Jaw,  have  indnced  aa  to 
propofe  a  Treay  of  Alliance  with  the  Dutch,  whofe  Pofleflions  at  and  adiacentto  Oechifit 
have  lately  bteo  invaded  by -Hydrr  Ally  ICban.  '  The  Treaty  itiblf  «p- 

*  Cmf.  4ib  ja»      pears  on  our  Proceedings  "of  the  4th  inftaot,  ^hich  go  a  Ni^mbcrin  the 
nuary.  Paclcet,  and  h^s  been  formed  with  th«  Adviee  and  Corrosion  of  ^r. 

Rofs,  Dire^orand  Gonrnorof  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company 't*SetUc- 
men^s  in  Bengal.  ' 

4*  It  appears,  from  an  Accou<^%  which  the  Governor  General  iofotms  us  hat  been 
cr'mmunicated  to  him  by  Mr.  Rofs,  that  the  Force  adoa)ly  ftatiui>ed  at  or  near  Cochin, 
will  eafil^r  erisble  that  Gov<rrnment  to  fuppty  the  Proportion,  both  of  European  Infantry 
and  Artiil^y,  which  are  chiefly  wanted,  and  of  Malays,  fpecified  in  the  Treaty  %  and 
the#  may  be  marched,  ara  very  (^ort  Notion  and  by  a  very,  near  Route,  into  the  Car- 
Datic,  if  the  Govrrnprs  of  Coiumbo  and  Cochin,  on  which  they  depend,  will  accede  to 
the  proffexed  Alliance.    To  engage  their  Aflcnt,  which  will  in  foch  Cafe  tntelve  buth 

A.^7^u  D    E    B    A    T    £    S«  SI 

io  great  jperiboil  Ref|i«iifibUIt|r9  m  we  oaderfitBd  that  tbcjr  have  ao  itgoUr  ^wwg  to 
bind  tbfeir  Compaay  in  /och  an  Ad  wit)K>ut  the  SaaAion  of  the  Ut^tlor  Goveiament  gt 
^cavia,  we  have  MTered  to  them  much  greater  Advaotages  than  perhaft  uc  piitaUe  tg 
the  c^nnnon  latere^  which  the  Dutch  CompaAy  have  in  the  War^  or  than  we  ikaiM  be 
lAclined  to  yield  in  an  equal  and  formal  Negotiation ;  hot  for  thia  we  have  no.  Tame*  th« 
tQcceffities  of  ihe  Company  require  an  inftant  Rdiie^  *&d  the  dependent  State  of  thoft 
whom  we  ibiicit  to  be  tmrnediate  Paides  in  the  T>eaty»  claims  ibmc  additjoaal  Conci^ 
^oa«>  boib  to  indeinnify  them^  and  to  win  the  Concurreace  of  their  Sofertoriu 

!•  Urged  by  tbefe  Confiderationa,  w<e  have  propofed  ta  the  Treaty  the  C^on  of  tfae 
Country  of  Tiai? elly  t6  the  Datch  £arft  India  Conpaay ,  Its  Sitoation  ia  tath^  that  k 
may,  as  we  conceive,  he  feparated  from  the  Government  of  the  CarAatic»  withont  cither 
weGrat  Embarralfmenf,  or  Danger  of  future  Coonpcticioa  ;  and  from  iti  Coottguky  to  the 
Dtttrh  Pbileilions  in  Ceylon,  will  prove  a  greater  Acqoifition  to  tbnm  than  Lofs  to  tbn 

6.  The  Treaty  bas  been  fuddcnly  prepared  without  his  Knowledge,  and  of  couHIb 
without  his  Confent ;  and  the  latter  is,  we  know,  indifpenfahly  necttfaxy  lo  iMbt  Al- 
lele of  it^  in  which  the  Ceflion  qf  TmiveNy  is  fugge^d,  and  which,  on  oar  Part^ 
we  can  only  propose  |  but  it  is  the  only  Part  which  he  4s  likely  to  have  in  the  War,  al- 
though the  Principal  iu  it ;  and  we  have,  in  oor  Opimooy  a  Right  to  daim  atieaft  thic 
^mali  Return,  both  from  the  Hazards  which  we  incur,  and  the  Eaertions  which  we  naake, 
ibr  the  Support  of  his  Caufe<«-»a  Return^  amoumiog  only  to  the  Sacrt^ce  of  a  mimile 
fortioo  of  his  Domioiont,  and  that  the^moft  diftant  of  them,  for  the  Salvation  of  the 
Whole.  i- 

9.  -A  Copy  of  the  Letter,  written  by  the  Governor  Ceirerai  to  the  Nabob  on  this  Oc* 
-eafioB,  as  well  as  ot  thofe  addrefled  to  the  Governors  of  Colombo  and  Cochin,  and  to 
the  fupetior  Government  of  Batavia,  apprar  on  our  Proceedings  of  the  4th  inftantj  to 
which  we  have  already  referred  you  for  a  Tr^nfcript  of  the  Treaty  it&lf  1  The  latter  ha« 
received  our  Eaecution  of  it,  and  has  bern  enfrufted  with  our  other  Difpatches  to  fot% 
Saint  George,  to  Mr.  James  Dighton,  whom  we  have  recommended  10  the  Prefidest 
and  SekiCI  Committee,- to  be  employed  to 'proceed  with  the  Treaty  smd  Letters,  and 

./uch  other  Difpatchea  a|  ibey.  may  haveOccafion  to  add^  to  the  GovernoMnta  of  Co- 
lombo and  Cochin. 

S.  We  (hink  it  proper  to  iend,  for7ourfBfoi!maiion,  an  JEMtinA  of  a  Letter  which 
we  have  received  from  the  Prefident  and  SeleA  Oommitsee  of  Bombay,  <undcr  Date  the 
ftS^^^^^^^^'''  accompanied  by  a  Letter  to  fbem  from  Mr.Henlhaw,  their  Refidentat 
Goa|  k.goee  'therefore  a  Number  inthis  Difpatoh-;  bat  we  deem  the  Report  Charetn, 
conveyed  to  os^  •unworthy  of  our  ierious  At:eAiion«  We  are  generally  indioed  to  believey 
that  aHhojiigb  a  Coofgedion  tnay  fuh(Wl  between  the  •Portuguese  and  the  Maratnas,  ita 

.  £Ae^  carkoot  be  ianportant;'  They  have  no  Rankamong  ihe  Powers  in  India  |  they 
have  no  Means  of  fubGiVing  their  Army  in  the  Field  |  and  no  fuch  Advantagea  are  likely 
to  be  yielded  to  them,  as  can  weigh  againft'the  Arong  Confideratioo  of  the  AUtance 
which  hRM  lonn  fubAiled  betwren  cur  Nation  and  theirs.     The  Claima  iwhich  they  prefer 

-  are  Claims  of  Form,  and  .perhaps  would  he  preferred  t^r  as^  other  Nation  having  tbem^ 
whether  they  were  or  wttp  not  jnftly  foupded.      * 

9.^  With  lefpedl  to  the  fuppofed  Intention  of  alTerting  and  maintaioMig  the  Clafm^ 
•BaOein  by  Force^  it  ^emsto  us  nugatory^  aad  it4caAiicrt4>e*effadiial^  £n«e  we  have  re- 
ceived certain  Advices  chat  Brigadier  General  God^ard,  with  his  Army^  was  before  Baf- 
iein  on  the  iSth  j^overpber  lajt  j  and  we  arp  informed,  that  there  was  no  Force,  eaccft* 
ing  that  in  Garrifon»  to  oppoi'e  his  early  C^ture  4)f  the  PJace. 

10,  The  Iniuits  which  have  repeatedly  beeno^red  to  thevPortugtieze  by  our  commeA 
Enemy  Hyder  Ally  j  the  Friendlhip  and  Alliance  which  has  long  fubfifted  hetaveen  ibeir 
Nation  and  ourf,  and  inriependently  of  this  U&  Conftderation,  the  iAte»«ft  which, they 
have  in  common  with  us,  in  curbing  an  Encveafe  of  Power  in  that  ambitH»aa  Chief, 
h*vc  induced  us  to  malse  Overtures  to  that  Coveri|meot,  for  an  Union  with  us  in  dif- 

.  tr.0iag  Hyder  Al|y,  by  fending  a  Body  of  Forces  into  his  Country;  iiod  we  have  availed 
ourfelvcs  of  the  Services  of  Mr,  Aurlol,  our  Secretary,  who  had  before  received  our  Per* 
.ar»i^n  topiocced  to  thii.Wefl  of  ladni.  Cor  the  Re-eftabliflkmcnt  of  hit  Health,  by  de* 
.  ^.tiog  him  to  Goa  on  this  Occafion. 

II*  ACqpy  of  our.InAru£tion«  to  Mr,  Aprlol  goes  a  N4imber  in  'this  Packet:    We 

confers  that  our  Expe^atlons  of  Succefsfrom  the  Overtutes -made  to  she  Viceroy  of  Goa 

are  iMt  very  fanguine  j^  hut  there  appeared  to  us  a  ipwfilbility  of  adding  to  the  Force  en* 

^aged' af aind  H)der  Ally,  by  the  Union  of  that  Government  with  oots,  and  we  were  not 

wtii^o^  to  negltCt  even  the  remote  Chance  oT  fuch  am  Advantage* 

5V  /     PARLIAMEN  T  A  R  Y  a;  i^Si. 

•  It.  Thi  perfidious  Condad  of  thofe  of  the  French  Nttton  at  Pondicherry,  are  repi^e^ 
fented  in  Sir  Eyre  Coote*s  Letter  of  the  19th  November,  fuggefting  to  us  the  Necf  fliry 
of  taking  fikimediate  Meafures  for  preventing  the  Example  from  having  £fFr£k  amon|; 
thofe  re&dent  it  Chanderoagore,  and  wiihin  the  Provinces,  We  have  given  public  Notice 
to  the  higher  Claiii  of  Frenchmen*  of  our  pofitive  Requlfttion,  'that  they  all  quit  chc 
Provinces,  by  Sea,  on  or  before  the  3  ift  Inftant,  on  Pain  of  being  made  Prifonets,  (hould 
tliey  be  found  in  them  aAer  that  Period  |  and  we  have  gfvCn  Orders  for  the  immediate 
Seizure  qf  thofe  of  the  lower  Clafs.  They  had  been  all  rr^^uired  in  June  laft  t» 
leave  the  Provinces  by  the  ift  Odober,  and  our  Indulgence  bald  permitted  their  remain- 
ing in  them  to  this  Time  |  but  the  flagrant  and  hoftile  Condoft  of  their  CountryfRCJi  at 
Poodicherry  would  not  allow  us  to  continue  the  Favour  ftewn  to  them  any  lunger.     -    ' 

13.  We  have  the  Honour  to  fend  to  yon  Cnclofed,  Copies  of  the  Letters  which  we 
have  reeeived  from  Brigadi?r  General  Go<)dard,  (ince  w«  addrefled  you  by  the  Fox';  the 
Information  before  quoted,  of  his  Arrival  at  Baflem,  will  not  be  found  in  them,  but  ic 
is  fttfficiemly  authenticated  by  our  Receipt  of  a  Bill  of  Exchange  drawn  by  him,  and 
4ited  the  18  h  December.  ' 

14.  Excepting  the  Letter  from  Bombay  before  mentioned,  and  whiclr  is  fent  a  Kumbet 
in  the  Packet,  we  have  received  no  Advices  from  that  Prefidency  of  a  later  Date  than 
thofe  tranfmitted  to  you  in  our  Proceedings  fent  by  the  Ship  Fox.  We  have  remitted  to 
thent  by  tbe  Ship  Portland,  Treafure  to  the  Amount  of  Fiye  Lacks  of  Rupees  $  and 
we  have  aothoriaed  them  to  draw  Bills  on  us  lor  any  further  Sums,  at  a  reafonable  £<• 

15.  The  provincial  Commander  in  Chief,  i$  the  Perfuifion  that  to  derive  from  the 
nitive  Infantry  of  our  Ef^abli/hment,  thofe  capital  Advantage*  whieh  can  only  refolt  from 
exaA  DifcipHne,  tempered  with  a  iftrifl  Adminiftradon  of  the  Rights  of  the  Soldiery,  h 
was  pofitively  nrcefTary  thoroughly  to  reform  and  new-model  the  Corps  cnmpofiog  thia 
Part  of'our  Military  Fnrce,  prefented  to  us  on  the  s6th  ultimo,  a  Series  of  Propo6tiona 
beft  calculated,  according  to  his  Judgment,  for  compaffing  fo  important  and  ufeful  an 
End.  Thefe  Propoiitions  were  accon)panied  with  figured  Statentents,  exhibiting,  as  nearly 
as  might  be,  the  extraordinary  Expence  which  would  be,  incurred  by  the  new  Sepoy 
Ei^^bhfhments,  and  the  'annual  Saving  which  would  accrue  from  the  general  Arrange* 
ments.  ^  .  -  *  • 

i6.  The  Letted  which  we  have  recdved  from  Brigadier  Oeneral  Sdbbert  00  thia  Sob* 
je€l,  and  Copies  of  the  Statements  and  Proportions  accompanying  them,  are  feat  toytfu 
Numbers  in  this  Difpatch.  After  maturely  confidering  the  Principles  on  which  tke 
Plan  fubmttted  to  us  was  obvioufly  founded,  after  meafuring  the  Extent  of  the  Advail* 
tages  it  promifed  to  produce,  and  after  fatisfyiog  oo'felves  that  it  united  Economy  tnd 
Utility,  we  delayed  not,  in  the  Convi^lion  that  the  late  Military  Conftitmion  of  our  nsi« 
tive  Infantry  was  pregnant  with  Defeats  which,  unlefs  timely  correQed,  threateiied  the 
mott  ferious  and  alarming  Confequen^es,  to  pafs  the  whole  of  Genera]  Stibbert^  Proj»o» 
fitions  into  Re(bIui!ions  of  o^r  Council. 

17.  We  will  here  delineate,  as  far  as  may  be  neceffary,  the  general  Gronnd-^work  of 
this  new  Soperftro6^ure  ;  marking  the  lefs  obvious  Motives  of  particular  Regulations,  and. 
diftin|ui/hing,  in  a  concife  Manner,  the  Advantages  they  poiTefs  over  former  loflitutions 
smd  Arrangemente. ' 

iS.  The  apparent  Strength  of  the  Battalions  of  the  European  Regiments  bang  at  all 
Times  very  inconfiderable  (rarely  exceeding  three  hundred  Rank  and  File)  and  their  pe* 
fitive  or  eBV^live  Strerrgth  being  frequen(ly«beIow  two  hundred  Men,,  the  large  Bftablift- 
ment  of  OfBctrrs  annexed  to  thefe  Corps  appeared  to  be  pcodudiive  of  Jin  utterly  irrequifite 
Expence.  without  yielding  a  fingle  Advantage  in  a  Military  Point  of  View;  influenced 
by  thefe  KeAe^tiorrs,  we  made  it  bur  Requeft  to  General  Stibbert,  to  examine  the  Ex* 
ftA'itncy  of  troubling  up  the  Battalions  of  the  Regiments  ;  and  accordingly  we  have  bid 
the  Satisfaction  of  receiving  his  Concurrence  in  a  Meafure  that,  while  it  occafions  in  bur 
monthly  Expences  a  Retrenchment  of  37,186  Sonat  Rupees^  furni/hcs  us  with  a  confi* 
detable  Number  of  Officers  towards  completing  our  native  Infantry  on  the  new  Eftablifli* 
ment,  •         < 

19.  Although  tbe  Commander  in  Chief  ha^,  in  the  annexed  Propofi^ons,  inferted  a 
Clajfe  rxpre/TiMg,  that  when  the  Strength  of  the  European  Regiments  fliall  exceed  yift 
Rank  and  Fii^,  they  fhali  revert  to  their  former  Conflitution  (becaofe  in  that  Cafe  the 
Corps  would  be  too  unwi<*lciy  for  the  Furpofc  of  manceuvtlog  with  Celerity  and  ExaA« 
ne(s)f  yet  we  muft  remark,  that  it  is  by  no  Means  probable  that  we  ihould  be  ireduced, 
^ttring  the  Continuance  oi'  the  War  in  Europe,  to  the  Neceflity  of  re«adbpting  this  bur* 
tbcnfoiiie  Afylum^  on  the  Military  Principle  ^ggcfted  j   and  that  the  Period  at  Whicb 

A,  1782.  :D    E    B    A    T    E    S.       .  ^ 

alone  fucb  a  Necefiity  is  lik«ly .  to  occur,  mil  b«  tbe  bcft  ifuitod  to  its  favrntraJbleaad  eafy . 
Operation.  ^  . 

zo.  Having  refol veil,  in  confrquence  of  the  approaching  Departure  of  a'Divilionof  our 
A^nny  towar<)9  Madras^  (o  augment  our  M  litary  Force,  we  iOued  Orders  f^r  the  raifiog 
of  Six  new  Battalions;  but  the  Commander  in  Chief  having  fuggefted  to  im  tbc  Expedi*. 
ency  of  new  modeiiiog  the  native  lafantry,  and  of  applying  an  immediato  aad  efFe^ual 
R«rredy  to  the  Abufes  which  had  crept  into  tbe  Corps  com^iing  thia  Part  of  tbe 
Army,  to  tKe  great  Detriment  of  the  Service,  we  thought  proper  to  recal  tbofe  Orders, 
and  to  fignify  to  him,  that  we  were  prepared  to  receive  hit  Sentiments  at  large  upon  this 
important  and  interefting  Sabje£l ;  when  he  accordingly  prcfenied  to  us  tbe  annrxedKPro- 
poiiiionj,  explaining  them  as  far  as  was  requifite,  in  our  Confulutioiis  pf  the  z6ih 
ultimo,  at  which  he  was  prefent. 

.  «i.  As  the  Advantages  of  the  new.  S^poy  Arrangements,  as  far  at  relate  to  tbe  Pur* 
pofes  of  manseuvring  and  difcipliniog  the  Corps,  as  weli  as  to  tbe  Efledtf  which  jiuiy  be 
produced  on  the  Minds  oi  the  Counrrv  Powcfs,  by  fuch  an  apparent  £h*creafe  of  tbe 
Mumber  of  Battalions  on  otir  Eftablilbment,  are  fully  fet  forth  in  General  Stibbert^t 
Letter  to  us  of  the  3  ifl  of  Odober,  we  beg  Leave  to  refer  you  to  the  fame  for  bis  Argo* 
iQcnts  Qn  tii'»fe  Heaos  ^  which,  we  are  to  obferve,  bad  due  Weigbt  with  as»  We 
mod  alfo  reqtiei^  of  you  to  feek,  in  the  fame  Letter,  the  Reafons  adduced  by  him  for 
aboliOiing  the  Office  uf  Native  Cpmmantfant  to  the  Sepoy  Regimaatf)  la  the  Propriety 
ot  which  we  entirely  acquiefced,  as  well  a^  in  the  Expediency  of  the  Regulation^  dire&> 
ing  ti>e  Native  Adj'jcants  to  be  made  |rom  J^^mautdap  (tnftead  of  Snbadars),  with  a  View 
,ot'  preventing' thefe  Officers  from  fucceediog  to  tbe  dangerous  Influence  and  Authority  of 
the  Commandants*  .  . 

si.  At  the  fame  Time  that,  in  order  tp  the  corre^ij^g  of  tbe  Abufet  which  ]^  crept 
into  the  Army,  and  which  were  of  a  Nature  tending  directly  to  tbe  Deftru£tion  of  the 
C<M-ps  compofm^L  it,  it  was  bi^come  neceffary,  to  fix  fuch  Checks*  and  to  eilabliih  fuch 
rigid  Rules  ^ith  Regard  to  muftering  and  paying  the  Sepoys,  as  ihould  put  it  totally  out 
€f  the  Power  of  the  commanding  Officers  of  Regiments,  to  derive  any  Emolomcots  from 
their  Corpsi  and  thereby  engage  their  A  Mention  wholly  to  the  dlfeiplining.  of  .them  )  it; 
alfo  beoAie  requisite  to  ann^x  fuch  Rank  and  Allowances  10  (be  Command  of  tnefe  Om>- 
cersv  as  Xuited  its  Impoitance  and. the  Length  of  tbfir  Servicer.  ^  For  to  have  .entirely  ex* 
clodld  them  from  all  PerquiHtes  and  Emoluoienfs  whatever,  without  ad^vancing  their 
Rank  atd  ^aldry,  would,  fuppofmg  it  poffible  to  have  eAabli/bed  fucb  aReguiadon,  have 
produced  no  other  Confequence,  than  that  of  sendertng  them  to  a  Man,  difaJTeded  to 
the  Service ;  an  Evil  that  inuft  have  necefTarily  been  followed  by  an  univerfal  Rebucation 
of  Diicipline,  for  which  tbe  moft  violent  Remedy  would,  under  fuch  CircumAances,  be 
ineffeduaL  -  *  >; 

£].  This  Danger  ho^cvgrjs  ai^i^ed,  bxx''>nt|ng,  as.a^e  ha^g  done,  advar\ced  Rank 
and  AHowances  to  tbc  Officers  commanding  Regiments  of  Sepoys ;  w!ho  no  Doujit  wills 
ere  long,  be  reconciled  to  the  Reform  ;  and  ^ein^  djiengaged  from  thf  Putfuit,  of  other 
Obje6>s,  exert  themselves  more  than  everj  in  training  and  difcipiiniqg  the  Corjs  com- 
mitted to  their  Charge.  ^ •     • 

sf  You  will  be  fatisfied,  on  examining  the  aiijiexed  Papers,  tbat  notwitbAaA|ing  the 
great  Encreafe  of  Fiel^  Officers  aad  Capsain^s,  coni^queot  ot  th^  new  Arrangements^ 
there  vill  AiU  be  an  annua!  Saving  on  the  Whole  of  near  Three  Lacks  and  an  Half  of 
Son^t  Rhpees,  after  allowing  for  the  a^ual  Encreafe  of  Force  gained  to  the  Eftabiifhment. 
Bat  is  tbe  Commander  in  Chief  is  aware,  that  exclufive  of  Pay  and  Batta,  there  may  bt 
foni^other  Expences  incurrei/  by  his  Regulations,  of  which  he  has  not  taken  any  No« 
tier,  lie  does  not  reft  their  Prr  priety  or  Utility  on  the  Head  of  Saving.  He  will  be 
fatisfied  if  they  fhould  not  encreafe  the  Difburfements  on  (he  Army  Account,  and  tb.ough 
contrary  to  Appearances,  m  v^ell  as  to  hU  Hope,  they  fliould  add  in  a  fmali  Meafure  to 
th<'  Militsry  Burthen,  he  aflerts  Jitmfclf  ire^fident,  that  the  beneficial  Confequencea 
which  will  in  due  Time  refultfru^  xh^jn,  will  be  abundantly  more  than  ade^p^^tht 
cxtt-aordinoryfxpence  they  may  occafion.  '^ 

25.  It  i«  unnfcellary  f  >r  us  to  offer  any  Remarks  on  the  other  J^artft  of  the  <nbexed 
RegulatioDi.  We  conceive  that  they  wiU  fpeak  for  themfelves  ^  and  we  are  particolarly 
hopeful,  that  the  prclcribed  Forms  for  nruiflering  and  paying  the  Native  Troopt,  wiU 
convince  yott  that  it  was  our  Dctflgn  (in  thefe  Arrangementi)  t>  ftrike  at  the  Root  of 
every  Abufe  that  could  poflibly  affe&  either  the  good  Order  and  Difcipline  of  your  forceSf 
er  the  Rights  of  the  Native  Soldiery. 

•  %^m.  We  iiend  you  herewith,  a  Return  of  the  European  Infantry  ar^d  ArtilUty  on  this 
Xftabllibineat  i   It  will  lerre  to  pllte  before  yctt^  in  a  clear  View,  the  a'mrming  Difpro* 


PARLIAMENT  A  It  y  A.  tftz4 

portion  ofonr  Strenf th  in  Soropeaaty  to  the  Kamb«r  of  Native  Mtntify ;  ini  at  the 
lame  Time  the  Ncccffity  of  an  early  and  ftrong  KeinforcetDcnt  of  the  former.  We  have 
before  fieqneBtly  fbggefted  to  yon,  the  fUecttCuj  of  prefenrinc  this  EftaUifiiment  entire  $ 
it  was  particularly  fobmitted  to  your  AttenHon  in  one  Letter  of  the  13th  OAober  Uft  j  and 
we  maft  new  repeat  to  you,  our  moft  earneft  Requeft,  that  you  wiiJ  give  the  Subjeh  an 
early  and  partieolar  Coofideiation.  Yooy  fist  Bftabli/hmenc  of  £uropeani,  even  in 
Time  of  Fetce^  it  not  more  than  fufficient  to  give  Refpe£t  to  your  Military  Forces.  Jti 
Time  of  War»  It^  is  greatly  inferior  to  its  Wants ;  and  when  the  ^xifting  Mambers  are 
below  the  Eftablifiiment|  it  is  oar  Duty  to  declare  to  you»  that  your  Poffeffions  are  in 
Dangff  of  a  Ruin  as  fudden  as  it  may  prove  irretrievable.  The  e^otial  Strength  of  this 
Country,  -and  the  only  Strength  en  which  yuu  can  depend,  is  in  the  Number  of  Euto- 
peana.  Yon  are  not  Strangers  to  this  Fad  j  and  although  there  is  no  late  Proof,  from 
Szpericnee,  of  the  Truth  of  the  AflTertion,  it  cannot  be''  ioferredj  from  'this  Infttnce  of 
oar  good  Fortune,  that  we  may  never  experience  the  Reverfe. 

17.  The  Snm  of  Forty- five  Lacks  of  Rupees,  to  which  the  Firft  Loan  pn  Bonds, 
bearing  an  Intereft  of  eight  per  Centum  per  Annum,  was  reftri£ted  by  your  Refolutioa 
of  the  ftd  OAober  laft, .  having  been  completely  fubfcribed^  we  have  detei-mtoed  to  aotho- 
visc  the  Receipt  of  fnch  further  Sums  into  the  Treafury  as  might  he  tendered  to  it  for 
like  Bonds. 

a8.  The  State  of  ovr  Trcafury  this  Day  is  u  folloWs  1 

Ready  Money         ——-••-,         *^  8,17,44^  U    9 

Bills  receivable  •—•-.--.  1,85,728  »  — 

Mint  General  Treafory  —  «*  -fc  4180,73a  1  j  — • 

Vnforted  Trealbre       —  —  1*  ^>5S»9i>4  14    $ 

Canent  Rupees    «^    1^,42,872    9    % 

Ih^nA  the  Amount  of  appropriated  Snms  as  follows  i 

Balance  A ccoui^t  Depofits        —        —        ••  1^,00,900    8    ^ 

DittoAc€ompiantGeneralofthc  Mayor's  Court    ^  Si3^«35S    4 -r 

Amount  of  the  old  bonded  Debt,  in  which  the  Intereift 

faai  ceafed  by  public  Ad vertifement     •      79»34a  II  lo 
IMtto,    Ditto,   on  Accpynt  of  the 

Churchwardens,  bearing  a  rtinning 

Intereft,  by  Order  of  the  Court  of 

DiteAon      •*-       •**       —     **.     98,100 -•  •— 
,    Ditto  of  the  new  bond* 

ed  Debt  -^    — >  62,51,651    t    6 
Ditto  4  per  Oeat.^  *    . 

Remitt.  Loan  -    I4>55>550  -*  "" 
Do,  Anniiit.  1780        94»7*®  — .  — * 

■  '■>  79,o8,9si    f    6 


Rapeei    —    9*faj»7*sl    9    9 

<■  ■       ■        ■    ■?* 

We  baye  the  Honenr  to  he, 

Honoorable  ^rs, 

your  moft  fritbfal  bttmble  Servants, 
YottWilnfaiRf  Warcea  Haftinjp, 

7  Janeaiy  tjZu  £dw.  Wheler. 


A.  t7&^  b    E    B    A    T    E    Si 


Koi   7. 

Tori  TTtUJam,  tie  4#i  faimmy,  1781, 
I'lmriiJay*       {  At  ■  Ceuncil. 

t»    R    £    S    S    N    T, 

T IkC  Hibooarable  Wi^en  Haft'ngs,  Governor  General,  Prefident, 

Edward  WlaHer,  EfquSre. 
Lieutenant  General  Sir  Eyre  Coote^  abfeat  On  Seryice* 

■  H^  H  B  Misfortiines  which  have  attended  ^tVe  Company *s  Arms  in  the  Caraatic,  in  the 
War  with  Hjder  Ally,  and  the  Difadvantagei  which   attend  the  Piofecution  of  it« 
requiring  that  every  Aid  fliould  be  given  to  the  PreTidency  of  Fort  St.  George,  that  can 
pcffibly  be  obtained,  without  too  difproportionate  a  Sacrifice  cf  the  PoiTefliiont,  either  of 
iive  Nabob  or  tht.Comyany,  the  following  Draft  of  a  Treaty  haa  therefore  been  fomed, 
with  the  Advice  and  Corredien  of  Mr.  Roia,  the  0ire6or  of  ChiAfora^  tht  Eftpedieaey 
bf  it  hairh  g  been  fuggefted  by  the  late  Hoftilitiei  whkk  have  been  icommio^  by  Hydte 
Aily  CawB,  Bpoa  the  Dutch  Dep endcacies  at  Cochin.    Tliie  Force  adiially  ftatfoaed  at 
And  near  Cochia,  as  appears  fro«  do  Acc#oat  communscaicd  by  Mr.  K^k  to  the  0«. 
Venor  General,  wii!  veiy  welf  enaWe  that  GovenMn^at  to  fopply  the  Projportion  both  of 
Ewopean  Infant^  and  Artillery »  wFrkh  w«  chiefly  want,  aad  of  Maltya,  Ipeeified  ui  the 
Treaty,  aad  tliafe  may  beiiiarched  at  a  v«ry  ftort  He\ice,  «Bd  by  i  vary  near  Rout,  into 
tiie  Carnatic,  if  the  Governors  of  Colombo  and  Cochin,  on  which  they  depend,  will 
accede  to  the  proposed  Treaty.    To  eagage  their  Afient,  wbid)  will  ia  fueb  Cafe  Involve 
Wh  ia  great  perloaal  ReijpoA Ability,  4S  we  otfderftand  that  they  have  no  refvUr  Poweri 
to  bind  ^«ir  Coupany  in  fach  an  Ad,  without  the  SanAioft  of  the  Ibpener  Covernoieat 
of  Batavie,  we  have  pnikttd  to  them  mecli  greater  Advaataget  than  perhaps  are  fottable 
to  the  colnmoa  lalbeft  wkich  ^  Dutch  Company  havo  in  the  War,  or  thaa^  we  Jhould 
be  inclined  to  yield  ia  aa  eqval  aiiM  foimal  Negociation ;  butfbr  this  we  have  no  Tiaae  ; 
our  Ncctflitlfe  require  an  inftant  Relief,  and  the  dependent  State  of  thofe  whom  we  felicit 
la  be  the  iaianediate.  Parties  iir  the  Treaty,  claims  fon^e  additional  OoaccAont,  botii  to 
indeainify  tfae|iii|  aad  to  win  the  Concurreace  of  their  Superiors.    It  is  for  this  Realea 
wc  have  agr«|d»t4fi0peie  tlie  Ceffion  of  the  Countty  of  Tinnevelly  to  the  Dutch.    Its 
Situation  is  fuch,  that  Umsy»  as  we  conceive,  be  feparated  from  the  Governenent  of  the 
Carnatic*  without  either  prefent  Embarraflment,  or  Danger  of  future  Competitioa ;  a.n4« 
from  its  Contiguity  to  the  Dmch  PoflciTioos  in  Ceylon,  will  prove  a  greater  Aoqoifitio^i 
to  them  tllan  Lofs  to  tiie  Nabob.     His  Confent,  inrjeed,  ia  eijenfially  and  indirpeni«bly 
iicceliary  to  this  Article  of  the  Treaty,  which  on  ctjr  Part  we  can  only  propofe  ;  ba^  It 
ift  the  only  Part  which  he  is  likely  to  bear  in  the  War,  althoogh  the  Principal  iakf 
end  we  havea  Ri(l|it  to  claim  at  ieaft  this  fmall  Retu^,  both  for  the  Hatards  wj&ich  we 
incor^  and  the  Exe/tions  which  we  make,  for  the  Support  of  hia  Qaufe ;   that  is  tifitis 
Sacrifice  of  a  minute  Portion,  and  that  the  mofl  diftant  of  his  pomi^on*^  lor  t$€ 
Salvation  of  the  Whole. 

For  all  the  foregoinjg  Reafont,  we  Have  refolved,  both  on  the  Subi^ance  of  the  Tie«y« 
•a  we  have  conftitnted  it,  and  on  its  immediate  Ekecutioa  on  our,  Fart  |  aad  that' it  ^e 
tt'anfmitted,  with  the  Letter  entered  on  the  Proceedings  of  this  Day,  to  the  Pf«fide|it 
and  SeJeA  Committee  at  Fort  Saint  Qeorgp.— ^-Qther  Remarks,  upon  t^e  Tieaiy 
Itfelfi  we  prefanie  will  be  unnectiary^  ai  we  toaccive  tJ^eir  Objed  and  Tandciu/  wi^l 
be  obvious. 

Vq^.WU  I  BNf$Jik 

58  PA  R  L  lAMENTARY  A.  i>8f. 

Prot9fals/or  a  treaty  »/  AlHance  htwetn  the  Engfijb  and  Dutch  EaB  India  Cempantit^  and 

the  Nabob  Walla  Jab  Babader. 

Whereat  the  Nabob  Hyder  Ally  Cawn  has,  without  any  Caufe,  invaded  the  CarnaCie 
Payengaut,  and  the  Poneflions  of  the  Engiiih  £ai|  India  Company  which  are  fituated 
therein,  and  attacked  the  Settlements  and  Forts  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  de» 
pendent  on  the  Government  of  Cochin,  on  the  Malabar  Coaft  ;  whereof  {:  hath  become 
the  coiD«TOii  Intci«ft  of  the  Nabob  Wollajah  Bahlder,  who  is  the  Sovereign  of  the  Car- 
natic  Payengant,  and  of  the  T«o  Companies  aforefa^,  to  unite  in  rolling  and  defeatinl 
the  Attempts  and  Defigns  of  the  faid  Hyder  Ally  Cawn,  the  Governor  General  and 
Council  of  Bengal,  with  the  Advice  and  Suggeflion  of  the  Directors  for  the  Management 
of  the  Aiifairs  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  in  Bengal,  do  propofe  and  offer  the 
following  Conditions  of  a  Treaty  to  the  Nabob  Wallajah,  and  to  the  proper  Agents  and 
Reprefentaftves  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  aforefaid  j  hereby  declaaiiig  them  to  be^ 
from  the  Time  in  which  the  faid^  Conditions  ftiall  receive  the  Seals  and  Signatures  of 
the  other  Parties  te  this  Treaty,  binding  on  tne  Governor  General  and  Council,  and  on 
all  the  (Governments  and  Dependencies  of  (he  EnglUh  Eaft  India  Company,  in  virtue  of 
the  Seal  of  the  Company,  and  the  Signatures  of  the  Governor  General  and  Conncil  hereia 
firft  prefixed,  viz* 

Article  the  Firft. 

The  Governments  of  Columbo  and  Cochin  fliall  engage  to  provide  and  affiga  for  Che 
.Q^ota  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  in  the  War  with  Hydcr  Ally  Cawn,  at  or  near 
Cochin,  a  di&ipli,ned  Force»  conHfting  of  not  kfs  than  One  thonfand  European  Infantry, 
Two  hundred  European  Artiliety,  and  One  thoufand  Malays,  with  their  Complement  of 
Officers,  not  exceeding  the  Rank  of  Captains,  it  bgng  underftood  and  agreed,  that  ^1 
the  Officeis  of  a  fuperior  Rank  Aall  either  be  fornubed  by  the  Prefident  and  Cooncil  or 
Fort  Saint  George,  or  appointed  by  Commiftions  from  them.  Thefe  Forces  ftiall  ^ 
delivered  over  to  the  Charge  of  foch  Officer  or  Officers  a»  Aall  be  appointed  by  the 
Prefident  and  Council  of  Fort  Saint  George  to  receive  them ;  who  fliall  for  that  Purf>ofe 
proceed  to  Cochin,  to  receive  Charge  and  Command  of  the  fame  ;  and  from  that  Time 
the  faid  Forces  (hall  remain  fubje£t  to  the  general  Authority  and  Command  of  the  Com- 
Anander  in  Chief  of  the  Eogliih  Forces,  in  like  Manner  as  the  Englifli  Forces  In  India  are 
objeil  to  his  Command,  until  the  Condufion  of  the  War,  whether  by  the  final  Conqaeft 

.  of  the  Dominions  of  Hyder  Ally  OaWn,  or  by  Peace  contiuded  with  him,  and  their 
Hedeliveryi  in  Confe^uence  thereof,  to  their  original  and  proper  Government ;  and  their 

.  Pay,  according  to  the  Rates  at  which  they  are  paid  in  the  Service  of  the  Dutch  Eaft 
India  Company,  together  with  all  Expences  of  the  Field  or  Garrifon,  fliall  be  at  the 

.  Charge  of  the  Englifh  Eaft  India  Company,  from  the  Day  on  which  t|^  are  transferred 
to  the  Engli/h  Command,  until  the  Day  of  their  Return^  and  Re-delsttdif  at  Cochi%  or 

.  fuch  other  Place  as  iball  be  mutually  appointed  for  that  Porpoie. 

Article  the  Second. 

In  Confideration  of  the  Affiftance  granted  in  the  Manner  ftipulated  io  the  preceding 

Article,  befides  their  Pay  and  Expence,  which  are  to  be  defrayed   by  the  Governor 

General  and  Council  on  the  Part  of  the  English  Eaft  India  Company,  it  is  propofed  and 

recommended  by  the  Governor  General  and  Council  to  the  Nabob  Wallajah  Bahader, 

'  that  he  /hall  on  his  Part  grant  and  affign,  by  proper  Sunnuds,  to  the  Dutch  Eaft  India 

'  Company,  his  Right  aUd  Property  in  the  Province  or  Diftii£l  of  TInnevelly,  together 

with  the  exclufive  Right  in  the  Pearl  Fiftiery  of  all  the  Goaft  lying  to  the  South  of  Reoa- 

•WrefH,  to  the  Dutch  Eaft  Company;  who  fliall  be  permitted  to  take  Pofleffion  thereof 

^Triiifl  the  Day  on  which  this  Treaty  (hall  receive  its  final  Ratification,  without  any  Let 

or  Impediment  on  the  Part  of  his  Aumils  or  Officers,  of  whatever  Denomination;  and 

<  tfce  faid  Province  or  Diftri^  fliall  remalii  the  Property  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company 

*i;^revei>»  *       • 

Article  the  Third. 

It  fliall  be  allowable  to  the  Government  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  at  Cochaik, 
^to^cirfjr  on  any  fe  par  ate  Operations  againft  the  common  Enemy  with  thek  OWA  Forcca, 


^.i78«»  D    E    B    A    T    E.S.  59 

aA<i  to  make  Conqoeffs  of  my  Lands  or  Countiies  adjactnt  to  Cochin,  and  to  keep  Pof- 
feflion  of  the  fame  wiibout  any  Claim  of  Participation  on  the  Part  of  the  NabubWallajab 
SUbader,  or  of  the  Engliih  Baft  India  Company. 

Article  the  Fqprth* 

.  If  a  further  Aid  of  Troops  ftall  be  required  from  the  Dutch  Eafi  India  Company,  for 
the  Maintenance  of  the  War,  thry  Hiall  engage  to  fiiroiih  the  fame  fo  foon  as  they  can 
be  obtained  froin  the  fupreme  Government  at  Batavia,  ov  the  faiof  Terms 'and  in  ihie  f^me 
Mifioer  as  ar^  (|ipu|ated  in  the  Firft  Articie. 

Article  the  Fifth. 

This  Treaty  being  iirft  executed  in  the  Manner  above  mentioned  by  the  Govem'or 
Qeneraland  Council  of  Bengal,,  for  and  on  Behalf  of  the  £ngliih.£aft  India  Company, 
ftall  be  next  tendered  to  the  Nabob  Waliajah  Bahader,  for  his  Accepunce  and  Ratifi* 
!C3tion  ;  and  having  received  the  fame,  it  maU  be  forwarded  to  the  Governmentt  tf  Co- 
lumbo  and  Cochin,  that  it  may,  in  like  Manner,  receive  their  Aflent  and  final  Ratifi- 
C9{ion,  without  any  Addition,  Diminution,  or  Alteration  whatfoever,  to  be  made  either 
by  the  Nabob  Wallajah  Bahader,  or  by  the  Government  of  Colombo  and  Cochin.  "   - 

Ordered,  That  the  Treaty  above  propofed  be  copied  fair,  and  that  it  be  circulated  by 
the  Secretary  to  the  Members  of  the  Board  for  Execution. 

Agreed,  That  Mr.  James  Dighton  be  appointed  Agent,  on  the  Part  of  the  Governer 
General  and  Council  on  this Occaiion,  with  the  ufual  Allowances;  that  he  beentrufted 
with  the  Care  of  our  Difpatches  to  Fort  Saint  George,  antl Recommended  to  the  Prefident 
^nd  Seie£k  Committee,  to  be  employed  by  them  -to  procted  with  the  Treaty  and  Letters 
written  to  Columbo  and  Cochin,^together  with  fuch  other  Difpatches  as  they  may  have* 
Occaiion  to  add  to  thofe  Governments* 

The  Governor  General  lays  before  the  Board  the  Draft  of  a  Letter  which  he  has  prfr 
fared  to  his  Highnefs  the  Nabob  of  the  Carnatic, 
t.  "  ■ 

To  hh  Higbnefs  tbt  Nahb  l^aJIajab,  &e,  &c.  &r. 

May  it  pleafe  your  Highnefs, 

The  very  critical  Situation  in  which  the  A^Mrs  of  your  Htghnefs  are  at  prelent  in* 
yolved,  by  the  lovafion  of  the  Carnatic  by  Hyder  Ally  Cawn;  the  Difgracc  which  the 
^ritifli  Arms  have  lately  fuftained  on  the  Coaft,  and  the  confequent  Neceflity  of  every 
vigouroos  Exertion  on  your  Part,  not  only  to  recover  what  has  been  lofty  but  to  preferve 
y^hat  remains }  are  Points  tpo  cjofely  conneded  with  your  Hlghnefft's  Intereft  and  Pro* 
Ijperity,  to  require  many  Arguments  to  enforce  them.  ^ 

From  thefe  Cir^umftance^,  which  alone  I  conceive  to  be  of  fufficient  Weight,  hut 
which  derive  greater  Force  from  the  Obligations  your  Higbnefs  is  under  to  the  Company, 
for  the.  Benefit  of  their  ProtsAion  and  Afiiftance  upon  repeated  Occafions,  I  cannot  Jjoi: 
entertain  Hopes  that  your  Higbneia  will  readily  4 nd  cheerfully  co-operate  with  us  in  any 
Plan  which  m»y  be  propofed  for  the  common  Advantage,  and  for  the  more  fuccefsfolly 
defeating  the  ambitious  Defigns  of  Hyder  Ally  Cawn*     Bfpecialiy  when  yoo  refle£t  'how 
much  has  been  already  done  by  this  Qoveroment,  and  in  how  fliort  4  Space  of  Time, 
from  the  Firft  Intelligence  qf  thp  late  heavy  Pi/a^r  which  hag  befallen  our  Arms  019 
theCoaft,  to  redeem,  as  far  as  it  is  in  our  Povner,  the  natiomil  Credit,  and  with  it  to 
retrieve  the  particular  Lofs  which  yoi^r  Highnefs  has  fufifefed  i  and  the  great  Sacrifice  we 
nave  made  in  relinquiihing  the  Profecution  of  the  Maratta  War,  almoft  in  the  Moasest 
when  we  had  reaA)n  to  cxpe£l,  from  the  Socceifes  which  have  attended  it,  that  it  would 
|iave  fpeedily  teroninated  in  an  honourable  and  advantageous  Peace.    Relying,  therefore, 
upon  the  Effect  which  I  doubt  not  thefc  ConfidCrjitions  will  produce  On  the  Mind  of  your 
Highnefs,  I  proceed  to  acquaint  you,  that  in  confequence  of  the  Information  which  baa 
long  fince  been  received,  of  the  Hoftilities  and  Depredations  committed  )»y  Hyder  Ally 
Cawn,  on  the  Territories  belonging  to  the  Dutch,  at  or  adjacent  to  Cochin ;  and  his  late 
Jnvaflonof  the  Carnatic,  by  which  the  Safety  of  your  Poflefiions  is  endangered,  equally 
with  thofe  of  the  Company ;  we  have  prepared  the  Draft  of  a  Treaty  of  Alliance  between 
the  Englifli  and  Dutch  t,i&  India  Companies  and  yourfelf  $  and  having  firft  tendered  it 
3^r  Approval  to  Mf.  Rofs,  Director  and  Governor  of  the  Dutch  Sail  India  Company  ja 
'ISengai,  aa4  obtained  his  Concurnn^e,  we  have  affixed  our  Se^U  aad  Sigoa^iires  to  it. 

eo  PARl^IAMENTAIiy  A.  1782^ 

Mariflg  kt«  W  UoJiiii  «i  ui^  a«d  hrnn  ryatitt^  the  Prefidsiit  tnd  Se!«a  Coinni)ttee  at 
Fort  Saint  Geoife,  to  pitfeat  it  to  your  H*|hiie6  for  yoor  Aflent  and  RatiiicatioB,  with 
aa  Apology  for  bavtng  iatrodoccd  your  Naaie  into  the  Treaty,  wilboat  ffae  prevtovo 
SanAiofi  of  your  Authority ;  but  as  the  $tep  would  bate  rc^ oireJ  too  tediout  a  procefs* 
tad  would  hare  opened  a  Channel  of  Nepociation  and  Gorrefpondcoce,  by  which  the  Eodt 
^»pofed  by  the  Treaty^  whith  are  immediate  Af^(^aoce»  'would  have  been  .-^efrated  \ 
your  Hlghnefs  will  pcreciyel  the  Iippoflibility  of  an  Application  of  this  Soft,  which 
ctherwtfe  that  proper  RefpeA  and  Attention  which  is  due  to  your  Higbo^ra  would  inoil 
Mtainly  fuggefled.  » When  the  Treaty  haa  been  approved  of  and  fjgncd  ^y  your  HigbAeCa^ 
it  will  be  tranrinitted  to  the  Governments  of  Colombo  and  Cochin,  for  their  final  Rati* 
^cation.  Depending  that  your  Highnefsy  from  t^^or  firm  ^liance  with,  and  Frteodfliiir 
for,  the  Baft  India  Company,  and  from  the  Confidence  which  you  repoie  in  ^em,  will 
cofttribote  cheerfully  your  ^Aiftaoce,  ia  the  Manner  and  on  the  Terms  vrhkh  have  been 
^atcdin  the  Treaty^  I  will  eooflude  with'  wiAiog  an  Jncraale  of  Hfalfh  and  Profpertty  to| 
jfour  Highaeft. 

Ag«eed,  to  the  Drift  of  the  Letter  propofed  ^y  the  GovenMir  General,  and  ordered  kha^ 
h  bcTtranflated. 

A|reed,  that  theibllowing  Letters  be  written  to  tl|e  Govemoff  of  Colvmbo  t^ld  Coc)un» 
and  to  the  luperior  G<>vcinmeiit  of  Batayia*  \    ^      '     * 

To  tht  0nterme  rf  Cplumht 

llofloutihle  Sir, 

Having  long  fioce  received  finfermatinn  of  the  HofKlitret  and  Depredatioqi  cotninitte^ 
hy  Hyder  Ally  Cawn  on  the  Dutch  Territories,  at  or  adjacent  to  Cochin;  and  taking 
into  our  Confideration ,  the  Circumftance  o^  his  being  at  prefent  in  open  Waragainft 
them,  t6gether  #ith  ihc  Keoefl^y  of  repeltinc  his  ambitions  Defigns  upon  the  Caraatic, 
which  involve  your  State  equally  with  tboie  of  the  Nabob  WaUajab,  and  the  Bngtifll « 
Company  ;  we  have  prepared  the  Draft  of  a  Treaty  of  Alliance  between  the  English  an4 
Dutch  £aft  India  Companies,  and  the  Nabob  Wall aj ah  Bahader,  upon  fuch  Terms  as  we 
tmft  will  be  accepted  hf  you  and  the  Governor  of  Cocbiio  \  having  firft  tendered  it  to  th«  ' 
Perufal  «f  Mr.  Rofs,  pire£^er  and  Governor  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  )ndia  Company  in 
Bengal,  and  obtained  his  Approval  of  it;  and  as  the  evident  Advantage  to  be  derive^ 
tQ  the  Dutch  Company,  from  the  Ratification  V  f  tiie  Treaty  on  your  parts,  muft  fitt  yod 
Arem  every  Apprehenfien  of  Refponfibility  to  the  foperior  Government  at  Batavia,  fof 
Kaving  acceded  to  it  without  the  previous  SanOion  of  their  Authority,  \ht  Obftaclf 
ivhicb  might  otherwifc  have  been  ttlowt4  Weight,  will  by  this  Means  be  renmved. 

The  fame  Rcafi>n  which  prevented  us  from  making  an  AppKcation  direft  to  Batavia, 
will  be  fufficient  to  evince  the  Impoffibilrty  of  its  entering  into  a  Correfpondeoce  witif 
^r  Gowefffintttt  and  that  of  Cochin,  on  the  SobjeA,  fioce  in  both  Cafe*  the  Timq 
which  would  be  re<|iiired  for  receiving  an  Anfwer  refpefting  the  Ratification  of  the  Treaty, 
would  have  defeated  the  Ends  of  it,  which  are,  immediate  Afiifttnce. 

^e  have,  therefi»ne,  fi»r  the  greater  Difpatch,  aflixed  our  Seah  and  Signatures  to  the 
treaty,  dedartag  it  to  be  binding  on  us,  and  on  all  the  Dependencies  of  the  BngKlh  Baft 
India  Company,  and  have  tranfmitted  it  to  the  Prefident  and  Scled  Committee  at  Fort 
$aiAt  George,  rebelling  them  to  tender  if  to  the  Nabob  for  his  Aficnt;  and  ar  foon  as 
the  Nabob  (hall  have  made  himfelf  a  fubfrribing  Party  to  it,  that  it  may  be  ibrwarde<f 
with  all  pofitbie  E^pcditiian  to  yen ;  depending,  that  when  the  true  In'Creft  of  your 
Nafioa  ia  provided  for  fi»  materially,  yeu  wilf  not  be  the  Caefe  of  a  Moment^)  Delay  tl| 
tjM  £«Cution  of  itw        '         '  '■•.'.>    \    u 

We  iuHTC  tlie  Ronoar  to  lite,  ^, 
Tht  Ihma  to  the  Gavirnof  of  Cochin, 

Henowabih  Sin* 

Ih  eoniefl[tt«n^  6f  the  Ififortnafioft  whfcYi  we  have  long  fipce  rtcetved  of  ^he  Ro^ 
littes  end  De|«redat!oh«  comhnitrcd  by  Myder  Ally  Cawn  on  the  dutch 'Territoriei,  at  W 
•djacent  to  Ci)€hin»  and  Ms  fare  Tnvafion  of  the  Garnatic,  by  which  the  Safety  of  yoov 
lNfflcfi|099  ia  tiiat  fart  of  the  World  is  ^^aogered  equally  with  our  own ;  and  in  con** 


A.  t79t.  »   E    B    A    T    E    8.  6| 

fidera^ioii  of  th^^^elTiry  .0f  a  mutoal  Co-operation  to  repel  tKe  Pefigns  of  fo  imlMti«i» 
an  EneA^t  we  have  prepared  the  Draft  of  a  Treaty  oi  Alliance  between  the  Engtifi^ 
|Dd  Dutch  Eafl  India  Companies ;  and  the  Nabob  Wallajah  Babader  having  firft  ten- 
dered it  for  Approval  to  Mr  Kofs,  Director  and  Governor  of  tjip  Dutch  £aft  India  Com- 
pany in  Bengal,  and  obtained'  his  Concurrence  in  cpn^deraiion  of  the  TernM  ef  it  bcr 
ing  To  tavoorable  to  your  Company  ;  and  we  have  nowt  to  ppreirent  Delay^  difpatcbed  it 
to  the  Prefidenc  and  St\p€t  Committee  at  Fort  Saint  Gjeorge,  with  ovl'  Seals  and  Shgm 
nature*  afBaed, "together  wUh  a  Declaration!  that  it  (hall  be  binding  on  our  Parta  j  aji^ 
we  have  further  requeued,  as  foon  as  ^h«  Confent  of  the  l>}abob  Wallajal^  fhaU  hxwc 
Ibecn  obtained  to  the  Treaty,  that  it  may  bp  fopivarded  wpth  all  poj^ble  £xpeditioo  («. 
the  Governments  of  Columbo  and  pochin,  for  their  final  flatification  and  Cbocttr- 
ren^.  As  the  Time  yirhich  would  be  requtrp<j  for  receiving  an  Anfyiter  from  yon  re* 
ifpe^iog  the  Rati^catron  of  the  Treaty  would  have  defeated  the  Ends  of  tt,  wbkh  am 
iinme^iate  Aififtance,  the  Impoflibility  of  a  previous  Application  for  this  Purpofe  will, 
live  trii^,  be  fufficiently  evident,  and  apologize  for  our  having  Recourfe  to  the  Only  Afe^ 
thod  which  cojUd  bee'ffefiual  in  fo  critical  a  Conjuncture,  that  of  forwarding  it  to  the 
iGovernmcnts  of  Columba  and  Cochin,  wl^o,  we  doubt  not,  will  obtain  your  Approba* 
tion  for  haying  fub:cribed  to  a  Treaty  in  which  the  manife|l  Adyantagef  to  yonr  Statt 
^ill  free  theni  from  every  Share  of  Kefpopfibi|;ty. 

Fort  William,  We  hare  the  Honour  to  ber 

the4tb  January  17S1.  Sec,  &e.  &c»^  - 

Ordered,  That  Copies  of  T^e  above  Letters  of  th«  proppffd  Treaty,  and  of  the  Letter 
from  the  Governor  Qeneral  to  the  Nabob,  be  prepared  for  the  Perufal  of  the  Gentleaiei| 
jit  Fort  Saint  George,  and  that  a  Letter  be  written  to  tbem  as  follows  t 

>  « 

To  tbt  HenourM  Cbarla  Smitff,  Efyulre,  frep,dent^   &c*  StUS  Committee,  Fort  S^ai 

Honoorai^le  Sir  and  Sirs,  * 

'Ha^ll^g  totig  iincte  received  Information  of  the  HofliUties  and  Depredations  commit- 
ted by  Hyder  Ally  Cawn  tin  the  Territories  belonging  to  the  Dutch,  at  or  adjacent  t0 
Cochin 4;  and  taking  into  ponfideration  the  Circumftance  of  his  being  at  prcfi^t  eil-«' 
gkged  in  open  War  again  A  them,  together  wfih  the  Neceility  oT  defeating  his  ambitioM 
Defigns  upon  the  Carnatic^  and  preferving,  as  far  as  in  us  U«s,  the  Pofleffionsof  iht 
iTompany  and  the  Nabob  J  we  have,  with  the  Advice  and  Soegeftron  pf.Mr.Roft,  Di- 
rtdiot  and  Governor  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  in  Beng^,  pre^red  ,the  Draft 
of  a  Treaty  pf  AHianc^  between  the  EhghA  and  Dutch  £a0  India  Companies,  and  th« 
Nabob  Wallajah  Bahader,  upon  fuch  Ternxas  we  have  every  Reafoo  to^hope  will  he 
accepted*     iByft  as* the  Time  which  would  be^  required  for  receiving  an  Anfwer  from  th« 
lupeiior  Gover«iBfnt  of  Batavia,  rcffedUng  it*  Rjttification  df^.sjiii  final.  AAeat  tatlie. 
Treaty,  wootd  'entirely  ffuftrfre  the  Ends  of  it*  which  are  iamediate  AlTiftance,  w« 
Kave  refdlved  to  make  our 'Application  dired  to  the  Governments  of  Columbo  and  Co* 
chin  ^  for  whicb  Purpofe  we  ^ave  a^xed  our  SmIs  and  Signatuves  to  the  Tieaiy,  dt« 
daring  it  to  be  binding  on  our  Pafts ;  and  we»  ic^ueft,  that  on  the  Receipt  of  it,  yo^ 
will  ufe  all  poflible  Expedition  is  difpacclnng  ic  m^  thofe  Govetnmants,  hiving  firft  tea- 
dcred  it  to  the  Nabob,  .and  obui|»cd  bisAflonf  t«  it.     You  will  be  pl^a(^  to  atcom* 
pany  thia  Tender  with  ao  Apology  £»r  the  Habob^  from  us,  £01:  having  intcoduotd  bin 
Vame  into- the  Treaty  without  the  SanAlon  of  his  Afpfobation  }  but  as  thiaSt^  wotti^l 
have  been  attended  with  too  tedions  a/*rocefs»  and  would  have  openfed  a  Chaimel  ibi» 
Ncgociatioa  and  Corrf^fpondence,  whiek-  would  have  imfoded  tb^  infisuilr  BxtciitkNi  of' 
the  Meafore  propo fc^,  y'ppn  which,  in  thia  Cricicftl  Moment,  iiamueh  dependi,  we  trult 
^e  wiil  pepceivf  the  iBipoiflibility  of  our  previem  Application  to  hi»^  which  otherwiib^a 
proper  Att^tibn  and  Refped  to  him  would  not  have  fuffered  us  to  omit* 
.  la  the  £v«Bfr.of  a  l^fufak  on  the  Pact  oC  lta9  Nabob^  we  defire  you  wili  leprcfent^  in. 
the  ftrongeft  Tcpns  t^  him,  the^l^ature  of  hk  Situetion,  and  the  ladiipeHiMitc  Obli^ 
g^ioaheia  undeeof  asking  common  Caufis  wit^  the  Coippany,  JI06  to  lecufe  thelv 
^oileBions  than  his  own,  from  the  Eocroachmenta  of  the  Enemy  j    that  his  very 
Exigence  is  now  at  Sta^c  ;  thet  be  is  mate  a  Principal  in  the  War  -than  wrtfelvas }  thttt 
H  '»  not  by  any  |4^»oe  which  can  be  ferniflusd  by  hio"*.  or  by  any  -Risibiirces  or  Trei« 
fuse  of  his,  that  the  CanUcie  ieto  be  faved  and  defended,  but  by  the  Wealth  ef  Bco|pri» 
niul  the  Blood  of  BritiCb  SabjeAs  facrificed  in-  its  Service;  that  therefm  weetpeft  hie* 
jfkflent  to  the  Treaty,  aiyt  vrg<;  it  as  a  juft  Claiea  which  we  h^ye  Hpnil  huv»  ift  Rctiml 
^t  th«  Prote^ion  which  h(^hai  experienced  at  eur  H^df,  ^  i 



A.  1781. 

We  Aall  wait  to  hear  the  ReAilt  of  your  Application  ;  not  doubting  that,  fiom  Mo^ 
tWes  of  Policy  and  Neceflity,  ai  well  at  Jufttce,  he  will  accede  to  ihe  Terms  which  w^ 
Jtave  offered  in  his  Name. 

We  have  appointed  Mr.  James  Deighton  to  be  the  Bearer  of  our  Difpatches,  an4 
have  entrufted  to  his  Care  a  Copy  of  the  Letter  addreiTed  by  the  Governor  General  to 
the  Nabob  feparately  $  together  with  Copies  of  the  Letters  to  the  Governor  of  Columbo 
ftnd  Cochin,  for  your  InfpeQion ;  and  we  requeft  that  he  may  be  employ ;d  to  proceed 
with  the  Treaty  and  Letters,  together  with  fuch  other  Difpatches  as  you  may  have  Oc- 
caiSon  to  add  to  the  Governments  of  Columbo  and  Cochin. 

We  rely  upon  yoyr  Z«al  and  A^Hvity  in  this  ^uflneis,  and  depend  on  receiving  every 
pfceffiry  Information  as  earl^  as  it  is  in  your  Power. 

We  havie  the  Honour  to  be^ 

■  icp«  UCt  &c. 

Fort  William^  Warren  Hsftings, 

4th  January,  17^1.  I£dw4«  Wheler. 

.  * 


No,  8. 

Extras  9/  Pcjjfcnft  of  Letter  from  the  Seleff  Comthittee  at  Fort  Saint  George,  to  the  Court  4f 

pire^on^  date^  tbe  iltb  yanuary,  1781* 

.,        >  ,  .        .  .  .     •  ■      ,  .      . 

'tlTE  have  particularly  attended  to  his  Majc(Vy*s  Ord^r  in  Council,  ^dated  the  17th  of 
^  laft  April,  relative  to  the  Line  he  has  be;n  gra<iIouJ]y  pleafcd^to  take  with  the 
United  Provinces ;  and  fliall  be  cautious  to  avoid  becoming  AggrenTors  In  any  A6\  againft 
the  Siibje^s*  of  the  Republic  in  India  :  at  the  fatne  Time  that  we  (hall  vigilantly  guar4 
agaitift  any  Conle^uenVea  which  may  evehtually  atife  trom  th^  lV|earure^  which  his  Ma. 
j*fty  hat  been  undei*  the  Neceflity  of  adopting. 

BxtraS  of  littler. from  tbe^refiJent  and  StkB  Committee  at  Fort  Baint  George^  to  tbeCour{ 

..     of  DireHort,' doited  ijth  February  %i^lt 

r  .  •  ...  .         _.     .     ■  ^ 

.  pjr.  15.  Alarmed  at  the  Situation  to  which  it  was  reported  in  Bengaf  -  we  were  re- 
duced, and  deBrous,  in' every  Event,  that  our  whole  Influence  ihould  not  be  loft  in  the 
Cvnade,  the  Governor  General  and  Council  conceive  it  of  Importance,  that  a  Treaty 
ihould  be  concluded  with  the  Dutch  Government  of  Ceylon  and  that  of  Cochin  ;  whereby 
xiooo  Boropean  Mtliui'y,  200  Artillery,  and  1000  Malayf,  to  be  paid  by  us,  were  to  be 
brought,  to  our  AiSiftahce  by  the  Dutch,  for  the  entire  and  perpetual  Ceflion  of  the 
Tinnevelly  Countries,  and  the '  exclufive  Right  «to  the  Pearl  Fiihery ;  both  of  thein 
eiliroated  at  about  3$  Lacks  of  Rupees  per  Annum  ;  and,  thst  no  Time  fliotild  be  loft 
by  Negociation,  they  fnmiftied  us  with  a  Treaty,  ratified  on  their  Part,  and  defired 
that  we  would  < prevail  upon  the  Nabob  ta  conclude  it  finally,  by  giving  it  the  Sanftioa' 
of  his  Signature  and  Seal. 

i6»  A  Scheme  of  Aflldanee  from  the  D'iteh,  on  certain  Conditions,  was  fome 
Months  ago  indiredly  intimated  tous^  but  alrhough  we  did  not  totally  lay  afidc  the 
Gonfidcration  of  it,t  we-  were  vtrell  aware  of  fome  weighty  ObjeAions  ta  which  it  ap- 
peared liable^'  The  great  additional  Expence  that  fuch  a  Number  of  Troops  woold 
af»4ui^t  to,  fecmed  alone  folScient  to  deter,  us  from  li(>ening  to  the  Propofal;  and,  even 
>vete  that  Impediment  obviated,  the  Sum  which  would  be  required  might,  we  were  of 
ppiniol,  be'ehipltfyedto  much  more  Advantage,  by  entertaining  a  Body  of  Cavalry  ; 
t^e  Wa^t  of  which  had  already  been  feverely  felt..  But  this  was  not  the  only  DifViculry 
which  occur;cd  \  the  I>i%race  that  would  probably  atuitd  fuch  a  MeaAirr,  in  the  Opi- 

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A.'*l78zi  D    i    B    A    1*    E    S>.  '   '    -  6^ 

nioo  of  the  C'oontry  Ppwers,  as  well  as  the  Dan^r  to  which  our  Aftun  mtglit  in  the 
Courfe  of  the  War  be  expofed,  through  the  Intrigues  of  fo  extraordiotry  and  enter- 
prizing'a  Charadter  as  Hyder  Ally.  There  were  fuch  powerful  Argumentf  againft  the 
Meafure,  that  even  fuch  a  Body  of  Troops  have  been  ready  to  join  our  Army  at  a  AorC 
Notice ;  and  a  Jund\ioo  with  them  rendered  certain^  it  was  by  no  means  clear  that  o«r 
Situation,  diftrefling  as  it  then  was,  would  have  warranted  an  Acquiefcence  oa  one 
f»t.  '  , 

17.  Thefe  having  been  our  Sentiments  when  the  Pofture  of  Affairs  wore  fo  very  un. 
favourable  an  Alpe£t,  we  fhould  have  held  ourfelves  highly  reprehenfible,  were  we  ia 
any  Manner  to  have  promoted  the  Rat  fication  of  the  Treaty,  at  a  Time  when,  front 
the  fpirited  and  prudent  Condud  of  General  Sir  Eyre  Coote^  your  Affairs  on  this  Coail 
were  experiencing  the  moft  happy  and  favourable  Turn  j  and,  nut  to  mention  the  good 
Efieds  to  be  expeAed  from  the  Operations  of  General  Goddard  o/i  the  Malabar  Coaft, 
whtn  the  Apptoach  of  the  refpeftable  Body  that  is  coming  from  Bengal,  woul4  probably 
work  fo  maiertal  a  Change  in  our  Affairs,  as  to  put  it  in  our  Power  to  a€t^  and  we 
doubt  not  with  Effect,  upon  the  offen£ve, 

18.  The  Revenues  of  the  Southern  Provinces  likewife,  being  almoft  the  only  Re- 
foorces  left  to  the  Nabob,  and  his  Highnefs  having  affigned  them  over  to  your  Ufe, 
leferving  only  to  himfelf  foch  Part  as  &ould  be  neceffary  for  his  Hou/hold  Expences  j 
and  as  thefe  form  the  moft  condderable  Part  of  what  we  are  to  receive  for  carrycng'on 
^e  War,  the  making  them  over  in  Perpetuity  to  the  Dutch,  would  be  to  deprive  our- 
felves of  the  only  probable  Means  we  had  leH  in  the  Carnatic,  independent  of  which 
His  M8Jefly*s  Declaration  in  Council,  of  the  17th  April  17S0,  relative  to  >the  Sub* 
jeds  of  the  States  General,  rendered  the  giving  them  the  Opportunity  of  acquiring  an 
undue  Influence  in  this  Country  |  a  Meafure  both  highly  impolitic  and  deulmentai  (• 
your  Affairs* 

*  ' 

.   Supplement  J 


j8  PA  R  L  lAMENTARY  A.  i^if. 

Protifalsfir  a  treaty  af  AlGance  htwetn  the  EngVJb  and  Dutch  Eafi  India  CmpaniiX.  and 

the  Nabob  Walla  Jab  Bahddtr. 

Whereat  the  Nabob  Hyder  Ally  Cawn  has,  without  any  Caufe,  invaded  the  Carnatie 
Payengaot,  and  the  PoiTejSions  of  the  Engliih  £ai|  India  Company  which  are  fituated 
therein,  and  attacked  the  Set  Jements  and  Forts  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Conopany  de» 
pendent  on  the  Government  of  Cochin,  on  the  Malabar  Coaft  $  whereof  it  hath  become 
the  coro«fon  Intereft  of  the  Nabob  WoUajah  Bahlder,  who  is  the  Sovereign  of  the  Car- 
natie Payengaaty  and  of  the  T«o  Companies  aforefa^,  to  unite  in  rd^eUing  an<l  defeatinl 
the  Attempts  and  Deligns  of  the  faid  Hyder  Ally  Cawn,  the  Governor  Genend  and 
Council  of  Bengal,  with  the  Advice  and  Suggeflion  of  the  Directors  for  the  Management 
of  the  AiiFairs  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  in  Bengal,  do  propofe  and  offer  the 
following  Conditions  of  a  Treaty  to  the  Nabob  Wallajah,  and  to  the  proper  Agents  and 
Reprefenta^vet  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  aforefaid  }  hereby  declanag  them  to  be» 
from  the  Time  in  which  the  faici^  Conditions  ftiall  receive  the  Seals  and  Signatures  of 
the  other  Parties  te  this  Treaty,  binding  on  tne  Governor  General  and  Council,  and  on 
all  the  (ivoveroroents  and  Dependencies  of  the  EnglUh  Eaft  India  Company,  in  virtue  of 
the  Seal  of  the  Company,  and  the  Signatures  of  the  Governor  General  and  Conacil  bereur 
firft  prefixed,  viz* 

Article  the  Firft. 

The  Governments  of  Columbo  and  Cochin  fltall  en^ge  to  proviiTe  and  aiSgn  for  tbe 
Qjiota  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  in  th^  War  with  Hydcr  Ally  Cawn,  at  or  near 
Cochint  a  diictpUned  Force*  conHfting  of  not  kfs  than  One  thonfand  European  Infantry, 
Two  hundred  European  Artiliety,  and  One  thoufand  Malays,  with  their  Complement  of 
Officers,  not  exceeding  the  Rank  of  Captains,  it  bj^ng  underftood  and  agreed,  that  dl 
the  Officeis  of  a  fuperior  Rank  Aall  either  be  fornubed  by  the  Prefident  and  Council  or 
Fort  Saint  George>  or  appointed  by  Commi^ions  from  them.  Thefe  Forces  ftiall  be 
delivered  over  to  the  Charge  of  fuch  Officer  or  Offiteia  a»  Aall  be  appointed  by  the 
Prefideot  and  Council  of  Fort  Saint  George  to  receive  them ;  who  fliall  for  that  Purpo4e 
proceed  to  Cochin,  to  receive  Charge  and  Command  of  the  fame  \  and  from  that  Time 
the  faid  Forces  (hall  remain  fubje£t  to  the  general  Authority  and  Command  of  the  C019- 
Anander  in  Chief  of  the  Engliih  Forces,  in  like  Manner  as  the  Englifli  Forces^  in  India  are 
objeil  to  hia  Command,  until  the  Condufton  of  the  War,  whether  by  the  final  Conqneft 

.  of  the  Dominions  of  Hyder  Ally  OaWn,  or  by  Peace  conduded  with  him,  and  their 
Hedeiiveryf  in  Confe^uenee  thereof,  to  their  original  and  proper  Government ;  and  their 

.  Pay,  according  to  the  Rates  at  which  they  are  paid  in  the  Service  of  the  Dutch  Eaft 
India  Company,  together  with  all  Expences  of  the  Field  or  Garrifon,  Aall  be  at  the 

,  Charge  of  the  Englifh  Eaft  India  Company,  from  the  Day  on  which  t|^  are  transferred 
to  the  English  Command,  until  the  Day  of  their  Return^  and  Re-delsttekf  at  Cochi%  or 

.  fuch  other  Place  as  iball  be  mutually  appointed  for  that  Porpoie. 

Article  the  Second. 

In  Confideration  of  the  Affiftance  granted  in  the  Manner  ftipulated   10  the  preceding 

Article,  befides  their  Pay  and  Expence,  which  are  to  be  defrayed  by  the  Governor 

General  and  Council  on  the  Part  of  the  English  Eaft  India  Company*  it  is  propofed  and 

recommended  by  the  Governor  General  and  Council  to  the  Nabob  Wallajah  Bahadur, 

'  that  he  /hall  on  his  Part  grant  and  alTign,  by  proper  Sunnuds,  to  the  Dutch  Eaft  India 

'  Company,  his  Right  aUd  Property  in  the  Province  or   DiftaiA  of  Tinnevelly,  together 

with  the  exclufive  Right  in  the  Pearl  Fiftiery  of  all  the  Goaft  lying  to  the  South  of  Rem- 

•wreitf,  to  the  Dutch  Eaft  Company ;  who  fliall  be  permitted  to  take  Pofleffion  thereof 

'rrdiA  the  Day  on  which  this  Treaty  (hall  receive  its  final  Ratification,  without  any  Xjtt 

[or  Impediment  on  the  Part  of  his  Aumils  or  Officers,  of  whatever  Denomination;  and 

•  tfce  faid  Province  or  Diftri^  fliall  remain  the  Property  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company 

*i;^revei>»  * 

Article  the  Third. 

It  fliall  be  allowable  to  the  Government  of  the  Dutch  Eaft  India  Company  at  Coehin, 
^to  cirfjr  on  any  (e  par  ate  Operations  againft  the  conuson  Enemy  with  theif  vwA  Forces, 


^.178%  DEBATE  /S.  59 

znd  to  make  Conqoeffs  of  my  Lands  or  Countries  adjacent  to  Cochin,  and  to  keep  Pof- 
feflion  of  the  fame  without  any  Claim  of  Participation  on  the  Part  of  the  Nabob  Wallaj ah 
SUbader,  or  of  the  Engliih  Baft  India  Company, 

Article  the  Fojirth, 

.  If  a  further  Aid  of  Troops  ftall  be  required  from  the  Dutch  Eafl  India  Company,  for 
the  Maintenance  of  the  War,  thry  Hiall  engage  to  fnroifh  the  fame  (o  foon  as  they  can 
be  obtained  froin  the  fupreme  Government  at  Batavia^  ov  the  fajiM:  Terms 'and  in  ihie  f»me 
Manner  as  ar;  i^i^jated  in  the  Ftrft  Afticie. 

Article  the  Fifth. 

This  Treaty  being  iirft  executed  in  the  Manner  above  mentioned  by  the  GoTtm'or 
Qeneraland  Council  of  Bengal^  for  and  on  Behalf  of  the  £ngli/h.£aft  India  Company, 
ftall  be  next  tendered  to  the  Nabob  Waliajah  Bahader,  for  his  Acceptance  and  Ratifi* 
iCAtion ;  and  having  received  the  fame,  it  maU  be  forwarded  to  the  Governmentt  of  Co- 
lombo and  Cochin,  that  it  may,  in  like  Manner,  receive  their  Aflent  and  final  Ratifi- 
cjUion,  without  any  Addition,  Diminution,  or  Alteration  whatfoever,  to  be  made  either 
hy  the  Nabob  Wallajah  Bahader,  or  by  the  Government  of  Colombo  and  Cochin. 

Ordered,  That  the  Treaty  above  propofed  be  copied  fair,  and  that  it  be  circulated  by 
the  Secretary  to  the  Members  of  the  Board  for  Execution. 

Agreed,  That  Mr.  James  Dighton  be  appointed  Agent,  on  the  Part  of  the  Governor 
General  and  Council  on  this Occaiion,  with  the  ufual  Allowances;  that  he  beentruftcd 
with  the  Care  of  our  Difpatches  to  Fort  Saint  George,  and  Recommended  to  the  Prefident 
^nd  StXt&  Commit^e,  to  be  employed  by  them -to  proceed  with  the  Treaty  and  Letters 
written  to  (^olumbo  and  Cochin,^together  with  fuch  other  Difpatches  as  they  may  have 
Occafipn  to  add  to  thofe  Governments. 

The  Governor  General  lays  before  the  Board  the  Draft  of  a  Letter  which  he  has  prfr 
fared  to  his  Highnefs  the  Nabob  of  the  Carnatic, 

To  his  Higbneji  tbt  Nabob  Wallajab,  &c.  &e.  &c. 

May  it  pleafe  your  Highnefs,  ' 

The  very  critical  Situation  in  which  the  A^airs  of  your  Highnefs  are  at  prefent  in* 
yolved,  by  the  lovafion  of  the  Carnatic  by  Hyder  Ally  Cawn;  the  Difgrace  which  the 
^ritifli  Arms  have  lately  fuf^ained  on  the  Coaft,  and  Uie  confequent  Neceffity  of  every 
vigouroos  Exertion  on  your  Part,  not  only  to  recover  what  has  been  lof^,  but  to  preferve 
y^hat  remains  9  are  Points  tpo  clofely  conneded  with  youf  HighneA's  Intereft  and  Pro* 
Iperity,  to  require  many  Arguments  to  enforce  them.  '        ^ 

From  thefe  Cir^umftance^,  which  alone  I  conceive  to  be  of  fufficient  Weight,  hut 
which  derive  greater  Force  from  the  Obligations  your  Highnefa  is  under  to  the  Company, 
for  the  Benefit  of  their  ProtsAton  and  Afiiftance  upon  repeated  Occafions,  I  cannot  JjuC 
entertain  Hopes  that  your  Highneia  will  readily  4nd  cheerfully  co-operate  with  us  in  any 
Plan  whi^h  may  be  propofed  for  the  common  Advantage,  and  for  the  more  fuccefsfully 
defeating  the  ambitious  Defigns  of  Hyder  Ally  Cawn.     Bfpecially  when  yon  tefinSt  'how 
much  has  been  already  done  by  this  Qoveromeat,  and  in  how  fliort  4  Space  of  Time, 
from  the  Firft  Intelligence  qf.thp  late  heavy  Pi/a^r  which  haa  befallen  our  Arms  09 
the  Coaft,  to  redeem,  as  far  as  it  is  ia  our  PovKer,  the  national  Credit,  and  with  it  to 
retrieve  the  particular  Lofs  which  yoi^r  Highnefs  has  fufifef-ed )  and  the  great  Sacrifice  we 
liave  madein  relinquiihing  the  Profecution  of  the  Maratta  W^r,  almoft  in  the  Moment 
when  we  had  reafcjn  to  expe£l,  from  the  Soccefifbs  which  have  attended  it,  that  it  would 
|iave  fpeedily  teroninated  in  ^n  honourable  and  advantageous .  Peace.    Relying,  therefore, 
upon  the  Effect  which  I  doubt  not  thefe  Confiderstttons  will  produce  On  the  Mind  of  your 
Highnefs,  I  proceed  to  acquaint  you,  that  in  confequence  of  the  Information  which  has 
long  fince  been  received,  of  the  Hoftilities  and  Depredations  committed  )»y  Hyder  Ally 
Cawn,  on  the  Territories  be^ngiog  to  the  Dutch,  at  or  adjacent  to  Cochin ;  and  his  late 
Jnvafionof  the  Carnatic,  by  which  the  Safety  of  your  Poflefiions  is  endangered,  equally 
with  thofe  of  the  Company ;  we  have  prepared  the  Draft  of  a  Treaty  of  Alliance  between 
the  Englifh  a^d  Dutch  zi&  India  Cotnpanies  and  yourfelf  j  and  having  firft  tendered  it 
Ibr  Approval  to  Mr.  Rofs,  Director  and  Governor  of  the  Dutch  Sail  India  Company  ia 
ISengaJ,  aa4  pbtaincd  his  Concurnn^e^  we  have  affixed  our  Se^U  aad  Signatures  to  it, 

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A.  17^21 

HiuMy  tLC,  and  tbofe  of  tbefe  Coiiiltrief.<«^Thii  ihould  be  difcourigcd,  aad  may  caufir 
•  Combioation  of  the  Whole  of  the  Zennindars  to  diftrefi  and  cmbarrafs  your  Plao.^ 
TTc  overcome  fuch  Confederacy,  you  might  fettle  the  AiTairs.of  the  difTereot  DiftriAi  fe* 
parately  and  at  diflFerent  Times,  and  not  hasard.the  EifcAs  of  Intiigoe,  by  fringing  the 
t^hole  of  them  together. 

kow  Vencara  Bk>w,  by  Crania  obtained  of  Mr.  Whitehill,  has  his  Country  in  Pro- 
fjtSt  at  profperoos  Cultivation,  by  the  prefent  Allotment  of  Water  |  which  Allotment 
Juggaputty  Rauxe  loudly  complains  of,  and  wants  reverfed*  This  Man's  Soucar  has 
paid  up  all  his  Kifts ;  and  I  Hnty  his  Credit  foch,  that  a  kenewal  of  Agreement  in  the 
ufual  Mode  may  be  effeAed.. 

Ramchundra  Raoze  has  Claini  to  the  Cotah  Country  $  tnd  has  reprefented  to  as  his 
Pretenfioosof  Right.^-At  prefent,  the  Cotah  Couhitry  is  in  Charge  of  4  Tonadar  for 
tbe  Company.— He  wiflies,  befori  he  gives  Bills  for  his  Kifts,  to  hsve  this  Matter  dc« 
cided  I  after  which  he  may  be  able  to  fettle  his  tinfinefs  in  the  ufual  Way. 

bodant  ftam  and  ValTereddy  Rafananah  have  always  been  punQual  in  the  Perfomunce 
of  ;heir  Engigemtnts  to  the  Company,  and  may  be  expcfied  to  continue  fo« 

To  fuch  Letters  as  were  written  the  2^^mindars,  the  Anfwers  leave  me  entirely  xg* 
norant  of  the  Mode  by  which  they  expe^  to  manage  their  A#airs  at  Madras  |  nor  am 
I  able  to  give  you  other  Account  than  C^onjeflure,  of  the  Profpe£t  of  their  doing  it  to 
your  Satisfa£lion.-*What  I  have  faid  is  my  Opinion  of  their  Circumihmces  }  and  the 
Condufion  to  be  drawn  from  it  moft  now  be  fubmitted  to  yoorfelf.  When  they  arc  at 
Madras,  I  am  humbly  of  Opinion  you  fliould  firft  infift  on  theirfinding  Secnrity  for  the 
Money  nOw  owing,  before  you  think  of  interfering  in  the  DifTerences  and  Diileotions 
•xifUng  among  them.  It  will  be  their  Endeavour,  tnd  yoo  will  find  them  obftinately 
bent  on  it^  to  have  thefe  Matters  fettled  previoufly. 

In  order  to  Hiew  how  anxious  1  have  been  to  accomplifli  your  Wiih,  and  aflift  in  its 
SttccefSf  I  fend  you  Copy  of  a  Minute  I  read  to  the  Council,  and  intending  recording | 
biit  refie£ling  th^t  anv  apparent  Violence,  in  the  Execution  of  Orders  of  fo  delicate  a 
Kature  might  be  liable  to  MiCreprefentation,  and  the  Intention  mifcoofhrued,  I  with- 
drew it.^-The ^Council  neverthelefs  would  have  concurred  with  me}  and  here  I  beg 
Leave  to  Inform  you,  that  all  of  them  have  afFoided  me  publicly  ftich  Support  at  vat 
proper  and  becoming  their  Situation. 

By  the  EAimatc  of  probable  Receipts  and  monthly  Difburfenients,  ient  the  Board, 
you  will  find  we  have  Hope  .of  receiving  very  little  $  and  our  DiA>nrfements,  no  kfs 
than  33,006  Pagodas  monthly;  1>efide8  which,  we  owe  the  31ft  March  laA,  to  the 
Soubah,  Pagodas  77992^,  on  Account  of  his  Tribute  j  which  Sum  is  increafing  Month- 
ly, at  the  Rate  of  Pagodas  lo^Sfti  |.  The  Payment  of  the  laft  Money  wu  complcated 
by  the  Soucars  only  a  few  Days  fince )  a  Delay  which  occafioned  the  Soubah,  by 
vne  of  his  People,  to  write  Venuta  ftoylooj  as  yon  will  perceive  by  Tranilate  of  the 
Letter  now  fent« 

It  becomes  an  ObjeA  of  your  mo^  ferious  Attention,  in  ^afe  the  Zemindars  proceed^ 
as  at  prefent  is  intended,  to  find  Means  by  which  our  Treafury  may  be  fupplied  j  the 
xno(^  valuable  Part  of  the  Company*s  Inveftment  depends  on  it ;  and  the  Zemindars^ 
with  holding  ae  they  do  Afliilance  of  iny  Kind,  leave  little  Hopes  of  Refoorces  ia 
ourfelves  j  for  whatever  may  appear  due,  fuch  is  the  State  of  Credit,  and  fuch  the  Un* 
certainty  of  Payment,  I  do  not  at  this  Hour  know  where  I  can  apply  with  Certainty 
for  the  fmalleft  Stuns  3  and  all  I  expeA  to  be  able  to  do,  will  barely  furn/fli  the  Demandt 
of  the  prefent  Month,  independent  of  our  Silver,  which  may  amount  to  about  a  Lack  o^ 
Rupees,  to  be  fold  "^o  great  Loft,  the  Exchange  being  now  near  400  P  S  .  Pagodas-*— Milcar- 
riage  in  any  of  the  Affairs  dependent  on  this  Settlement,  may  therefore  be  imputed  to  the 
Change  of  Syftem,  and  what  Difappointments  enfue,  juftified  by  the  Council  here  da 
this  Fle;i,  and  all  Misfortunes  incident  to  it  imputed  to  your  Board* 

if  too,  by  improper  Management  heretofore.  Deficiency  in  Payment  of  the  Klfts  odw 
due,  and  the  Revenue  of  this  Country,  according  to,  its  prefent  Settlehient^  ihould  hap^ 
peh,  may  not  the  Caufe,  by  its  EfleA  of  giving  the  firft  Shock,  too  common  and  long 
pra£(Ifed  Credit  in  the  Mode  of  Security  in  thefe  dountries,  be  alfo  afcribed  to  the  pre- 
fent Pbin.^  In  fiiort,  if  it  happens  that  the  Settlement,  by  bad  Seafons,  and  Caufel  alleged 
by  the  Zemindars,  i^  on  the  Decline,  would  it  not  be  prudest  to  leave  the  Government, 
charged  hitherto  with  full  Refponfibility,  to  juftify  its  Meafures,  to  wQtk  out  its  own 
Misfortunes,  and  beai-  the  Cenfure  it  deferves  ?  are  Queflions,  with  Deference,  I  fubmit  to 
your  better  Judgment. 

I'hc  Period  of  Settlement  by  Mr.  Floyer,  expires  the  25th  September  next ;  a  new  Ze- 
ma^undy  mud  then  be  agreed  on  j  that  Time  oi  October  may  be  better  fuited,  and  the 


A.  17^2.  D    $    B    A    T    £    S^  67 

People  better  preptred  to  yifit  the  Prefideocy*.  In  Caff  the*  no  C^a|c  is  intended  in 
the  prefent  SettJement,  fuch  Seafon  may  be  equally  convenient  (or  the  Company  for  a 
future  Flaq  ;  and  the  Board  here,  by  being,  left .  to  accompUih  prefent  Payjnrats,  Oia^ 
pofljbly  at  that  Time  have  it$  Treafury  in  a  State  to  anfwer  its  Exigencies,  and  the  Plan « 
proceed  without  Inconvenience.-^!  am  led  to  thefe  Oj^fervations,  from  a  fincere  WiQi  to 
promote  the  Succefs  of  your  Meafures;  and  fiimolated  by  fuch  Motives,  led  to  a^ 
dom  of  Remark  I  would  not  have  ufed,  but  to  the  Perfon  vrliofe  Honour  and  Succefs 
highly  intcefts  me  $  I  truft  therefore  I  ihall  not  have  given  Oiteace  :  You  have  now 
(if  you  think  the,SubjeA  deferves  it)  but  to  afford  it  doe  Con(kleration«  and  fignify  your 
farther  Wiflies  to  enfur«  iji  me  an  arduous  Detire  to  fecood.  them>  by  the  moft  implicit 
Qbedience  to  your  further  Commands.  .       .1 

The  prcfent  Letter  i?  meant  a  private  one,  but  whatever  Obfenrations  concern  ,thf 
PojbliCy  maj  be  ufed  as  you  have  Occaiion* 

1  have  the  Honour  to  remain  mod  refpe^tfuUy^  ^         \ 

My  dear  Sir, 
Mazulipatani;  Vour  faithful  and  moft 

j^th  May  i77g«  .   .  .  .  jD^ligc^  hui»ble.SerTaDt9 

Antb^  Sadller* 

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Captain  Johnfton,  of  the  Granby^  e^Afloined. 

T  SAILED  from  Britain  7tli  March  1779-^went  to  Madras— arrived  there  the  igth  0$ 

January  1780-^Sir  Thomas  Rumbold  was  Governor— I  remained  there  Five  Months^ 
and  failed  aihout  the  iSth  of  June,  and  went  to  Cbina-f-touchei  sit  Mallacca  in  ny  Way 
vi-arrived  in  China  about  a9th  Augufl  17.80. 

Did  you  carry  any  Tieafure  from  Madras  to  China  ? 
'  Yes,  I  did.  •  ■  ' 

Was  it  belon^4g  tb  the  Compaoy,  or  Indiyidoals  ? 

To  Inditiduals— Sir  Thomas  Rumbold  fome  of  ir— >!  had  Soop  Pagodas  for  him— | 
delivered  them  to  Mr.  Bradfliaw-^here  were  np  other  Specie  or  Efre£U  belonging  to  Sir 
Thomas  Rumbold— His  Attornies,  MeflTrs.  Oakley  and  Pro£ler^  applied  to  v^  to  take  it 
on  board.-— Sir  Thomas  had  quitted  Madras— the  Application  was  roada  to  me  about 
f^ourteen  Days  before  I  failed— the "Treafure  was  not  regularly  enteredJn  the  Books  wherr 
other  Eflfefls  were  entered— a  Bill  of  Lading  was  given  for  it.^I  bad  befides  this^  aibout 
Thirty  thoufand  Pagodas  belonging  to  other  Individuals— fome  to  Mr.  Cnthbert ;  I  don*t 
recoiled  the  other-^nqne  belonged. toaith^  the  Governor  or  Council,  except  the  above 
of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold*s  ;  nor  any  Goods  upon  Freight.^— 1  had  (ome  Cotton  and  Pepper 
.belonging  to  otherc-— no  Jewels  nor  Pearls— the  Seahoriis  Man  of  War  laired  ^n  Com- 
pany, and  was  Convoy  to  the  Ships>  and  had  Money  and  Jewels  on  board  to  a  large 
Amount,  as  I  underftood  from  Captain  Pantpn— the  TteafHta  did  not  belong  ta  the  Com* 
panyy  but  to  Individ^als• 

Do  you  know  to  whom  ? 

I  heard  from  Captain  Panton,  that  16,000  Pagodas  belonged  to  Sir  Thomas  RiimloU 

J— in  Converfation  with  Captain  Panton  on  board  my  Ship,  he  afked  .me  what  Qiiantity 

'  of  Pagodas  I  had  of  S^r  Thomas  Rumbo1d*s  ?  I  told  him  8coo  $  and  his  Reply  w^i  ^l^at 

h^  had  double  the  Number  belonging  to  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold— Five  of  th^  Company** 

'  Ships  and  the  Seahprfe  failed  together— Captain  Pantpn  did  not  mention  who  the  other 

Property  in  his  Ship  belonged  to,  '      '        • 

There  were  Fifteen  or  Sixteen  Gauntry  Ships  at  China  the  Year  I  was  there— I  don*C 
Icnow  they  carried  any  Treafure,  as  they  generally  carry  Cargoes  belonging  to  different 
fcx((n^,  the  Produce  whereof  they  generally  pay  into  the  different  Treafuries  in  China. 

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Captaltt  Pukcr,  of  the  Brldg^water,  ez^minedr 

A.  1782, 

,t  Itft  Brittta  the  Sith  «f  February  I78ar«went  to  Madrsi---«rrived  there  the  %xi  of 
Ja)«.^remiiBed  there  Twenty-three  Pays — went  from  tbence  to  CRna — arrived  at  Mocao 
the  %6  of  4*'S^"~?^'^^*<^  ^'O'A  China  the  ^^  of  February  17S1,  and  arrived  a;  Spithead 
ti|e  If  tli  oT  OdoWr. 

Did  you  carry  any  Tre^fure  from  Madras  to  China  f 

I  did. 

Wat  H  Pvblfc,  or  belon^ng  to  Tndividuali  ? 

tt  beloB|ed  to  myfelf  and  Richard  Lewin,  who  vr^$.z  Second  Mate  in  jthe  Company*! 
Serrice— a  little  for  an  Armentan->-Mr.  I^ewin's  was  about  8  or  9000  pagodas—* I  had 
none  other— I  delivered  Mr,  Lewin*s  Property  into  the  Company's  CaA  at  China — Mr. 
JlradAaw  did  it  for  me— I  had  Qothing  bejongiog  |o  the  Goyeroor,  Council,  or  any  of  the 
dfU  Scrranti  of  due  pompany. 


Captain  Montgoaeiy*  of  the  Befsboroogh,  exaqiioed. 

I  fafiod  from  Britain  July  15th  1777-^pwent  to  Madraa-r-carfied  out  Sir  Thomaa  Ruqi- 
^Id^-anived  at  Madras  8th  February  1778— -ftaid  there  about  14^  Days-~wett  from  thence 
to  BoNiibay««-arrived  there  April  30th,  and  left  it  laih  July— Went  back  to  Madras— - 
a^ved  there  the  19th  July<-*Oiiled  Augaft  6th  to  join  Sir  *kd ward  Verpon  at  Pondicherry 
•pvairived  there  iifh— quitted  hioi  the  afft  of  October,  and  went  to  Madras  "again,  and 
irrived  there  the  4th  of  No«tember  1778— proceeded  from  thence  the  lath  to  Beagal-^arriTed 
there  the  31ft  December— failed  from  thenpe  the  24th  of  February  1 779*  and  arrived  at 
Madras  the  Fourth  Time,  the  i6th  of  March  i779»-froai  Madras  I  went  the  ajd  of 
^arch  to  Bombay,  and  touched  at  feveral  Places  00  the  Coa^,  and  arrived  on  June  lyih 
»-]  failed  from  thence  a  3d  September,  i^d  returjied  to  Bengal  again  |  arrived  thpre  the  i^ 
of  November-^left  Bengal  the  9th  of  January  1780,  and  arrived  at  Madras  the  5th  Time, 
the  ftift  of  the  fame  Month.— I  went  from  theiiee  the  loth  February—went  to  Pondi« 
cherry,  where  I  arrived  the  iith»  to  take  in  Sepoys  for  Saiat--I  arrijired  at  Sorat  with  400 
Sepoys  the  19th  of  April-»remaioed  there  Three  Days— ?went  to  Bombay,  and  arrived  there 
tl^e  ^3d  of  April  i78o.^ailed  fr^ni  thence  the  ad  of  [uly  for  Madras— arrived  there  the  6it\\ 
Time,  the  i5th  of  the  (ame  Month— (laid  there  till  the  jft  of  Augi^ft,  when  I  failed  foe 
Chtna— arrived  there  the  t6th  of  September-rirftaid  there  till  the  ad  of  February  9781,  and 
vrived  in  the  Downs  the  soth  of  Ofiober. 

Had  yoQ  any  Treafure'or  Jewels  on  board,  to  carry  to  Bengal,  Bombay,  or  any  other 
Parti  of  India,  dicing  the  Coafting  Yoyages,  mentioned  lA  the  Firft  P^rt  of  your  Bvi-r 
.  deoee? 
.  i  had  fooie  Treafure-T^^it  was  Public  Treafure— I  had  tbme  private,  but  can^t  rcm^iQ^ 
^r  for  whom-rit  was  a  little. 

When  you  laft  failed  from  B^adras  to  China  had  you  any  Treafure  on  board  ? 

I  had  fome  private  Treafure  on  Freight,  viz,  Mr.  Tafwell7,55i  Pagodas,  Mr^Cuthbert 
5,000,  and  Mr,  Brodie  «,ooo  Pagodas^  in  all,  14,551  Pagodas— there  was  noae^loo^ins 
%q  the  Go.Y«aok  Of  Council.  •  -^ 


Captain  WtaAud,  of  the  Yof|p,  examined* 

I  left  Britain  the  f  ^th  of  February  1780— wient  to  Madras-^artived  the^e  the  %^^  of 

July— ftaid  there  z^  or  23  Days — failed  for  6hiBa  the  lAth  of  Augu/l— arrived  thei'e  th« 
th  of  Qdober,  and  failed  fron)  thence  tke  ad'  of  February. 
Had  yon  any  Treafure  on  board  when  you  went  frcim  MadrM  to  China  ? 
.  Yes,  about  6  or  7,opo  Pagodas,  Part  l^loB|^g  toDeCaftro,  a  Jew,  on  Freight  for 
China-->It  was  delivered  to  Silvefter  Rofe — 1,500  of  the  Pagodas  belonging  to  ^r.  Yovng* 
and  the  Ren^ainder  to  a  Perfon,  who  I  befieve  was  an  Armenian<«*«I  had  none  belonging  |q 
|he  dovernor.  Council,  pr  Servants  of  the  Company— the  Whole  belonged  to  Ifne  Mev- 
chants.-:-!  brought  Home  no  Treafure  froip  China  to  Eogland— the  London  aad  Bridsr* 
^ater  failed  for  Enghnd  with  me-^I  carried  no  Cargo  from  Madras  to  China  for  any  oae 

A.ijiu  DEBATES.  69 

Captaio  Wakefield,  of  the  LafctUct,  examined*  ^ 

I  left  Britain  the  13th  of  Febrnary  lySor-weiit  te  Mad ras*^ar rived  therr'tfae  S9H1  ef 
Jam— Trailed  from  thentw  the  |ft  of  Auguft  f or  Chiaa-*>arrived  there  the  iithef  Septeoobef 
nrfailed  fiom  thence  the  2d  of  Febriiary  ijSf,  ead  arrived  in  the  Downs  the  ilth  of 

Had  you  any  Treefdre  or  Jewels  on  boards  when  yo«  went  from  Madras  to  China  ? 

Ye?,  Treafure  belonging  to  private  Perfoos-rribout  t6,ooo  Pagodas  beUmging  to  diffe* 
rent  Peoplevr90oo  for  Mcifrs.  De  Caftro — 5000  Mr.  Jones-erDaniih  Compjuiy  1850--^ 
Black '  Merchant  9S5  Di^to  j  in  aVI^  16,8^5  Pagodas-c2  had  none  on  Appount  of  any  of 
the  Gentlemen  of  the  Council  at  Madi^as* 


7homa9  Bevan,  Efqoire,  attending  according  to  Order,  was  called  in^  and  eittmtnedf 

JaWM  Second  in  the  Sdcft  Committee  appointed  at  the  Ead  of  177^$  for  Chtfia.*-*!. 
failed  the  6th  or  7th  of  March  1779*— I  arrived  there  the  3d  or  4th .of  OAoberi|i  th6  failwi 
Vear,  en  botrd  the  Company^s  vhip  the  Woroefter.*«*||Fe  have  Moaey  tendered  to  as  private 
as  well  at  Servants  of  the  Comp^nyy  from  all  Parts  of  |ndia»  which  u  admitted  imo  the 
Company's  Caih«-»I  came  Home  in  the  left  £ilHp»— J  left  Ouupn  the  Uft  DaiF  of  Januaiv 

Had  yon  Opportonity  to  know  Qf  any  cpniiderable  Remi|taoces  of  Indiriduals  froai 
Madras  to  China  ?  . 

Yes;  there  werefeveral  Remittances  from  |ndividoa|8-^we  never  aik  whofe  Property  ft 
iej  oDiytbe  l^ame  of  the  Perfen  to  whom  they  wifii  to  have  it  reteitcedn^the  Celh  paid  is,  ' 
is  not  always  belongiag  tf^  the  Peribs  who  p^ys  it  in.     •  . 

Have  you  apy  Knowledge  of  Money  being  (tm  by  Covntfy  Ships  t 

J  have  heard  fp,  bet  we  di^*t  take  any  Acconnt  of  Country  Shps-^we  have  no  Coocem 
with  them-^h^  fomctimea  pay  into  the  Compeoy^s  Caih,  and  Ibmetimes  to  Foreigners. 

Have  you  any  fCoowledge  of  ki^e  Soma  being  paid  by  Britiih  Subjeds  into  Foieig^ 
Sreafuriea  ?  ^  v 

It  ie  frequently  dooe«  and-  Aould  be  put  a  Stop  to  if  poffible-^tbet  is  a  di^ult  Matter^ 
it  meft  be  done  from  hence,  -  aod  would  be  a  Bene^t.  to  the  Company. 

Can  you  give  any  ^iTfount  6iikt  iitate  of  the  pemand  of  private  Persons  on  the  Chi* 
■e^  Merchante^ 


KeCers  to  the  Book  of  private  Debts,  with  particular  Account  of  all  private  Debti 
^qe  to  Britiih  SubjeAs  by  the  Merchants^  Sub^eds  of  Chiaa ;  and  alfo,  the  Appii* 
nation  made  by  Captain  Panton,  of  the  Seahodc-*»and  the  Tra^if^iftioaB  between  the 
Committee  and  ChioeTe  Government.^* 

We  never  made  Application  for  the  Names  of  thf  Principals—the  Agents  gave  an 
Accopnt  of  the  Amount  of  the  Debts^  but  not  the  Names  of  the  Principals. — 1  dt&overe4 
the  Names  of  fome  of  thofe  from  the  Chinese;  but  by  their  Mpde  of  exprcffiog  tbens<» 
felyes  coold  not  pigke  out  all^  and^bat  is  the  Meaning  of  the  Blanks  in  the  Diacy-* 
they  are  not  many* 

Do  you  know  of  ^y  fpecific  Sum  remitted  by  or  on  Account  of  any  Individuals^  from 
^adras  or  Bengal  ?  ' 

I  do  hot,  of  my  own  Knowledge*  , 

The  Committee  were  forbid  at  my  lad  going  out^  from  receiving  any  private  Commll* 
4ons  of  any  Sor:«-^lI  private  Commii!ions  were  permitted  to  be  received  by  the  Gentler 
ziien  under  the  Seleft  Committee  jointly,  not  feparatftly  $  bat  I  never,  from  my  Flrfi  £nbt 
ployment,  near  Thirty  Years  a|Oy  received  any  private  Commercial  Cofluniffion,  fma^ 
which  I  derived  any  Emolument. 

The  Court  of  Diie^rs  permitted,  before  t  came  to  England  in  17731  tbt  receivioc 
^Ivate  Commiflions  by  their  ServantS-^-they  afterwards  revoked  it  ^  now  I  iinderftann 
^very  Gentleman  undfr  (hem  in  China,  is  {>ermited  to  reeeive  ffitete  Coniignmenttk. 

.    Withdrew. 

Mr.  John  Farr(n^on  Butterfield,  Purfer  of  the  Earl  of  Saadwichj  tCompany^s  Shipj 

We  fiiiled  from  England  17th  June  1779,  for  Madias— arrived  there  iSth  January 
S79o4rwent  from  Uitoce  for  China  tSth  June  |78Q--*tl|e  S^)iof(ilil9n  ofYfu,  and 

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Foot  other  lodUmen,  went  in  Compaoj  with  us— we  airiTed  in  China  tb<  |ft  of 
Did  |oa  cany  any  Treafore  from  Madras  to  China  ? 


To  what  Amount  ? 

y/t  had  left  than  any  Ship  j  what  wc  had  moflly  belonged  to  Pafl^enger»— fome  fmall 
lHattcr  from  Armeoiana,  and  fone  from  a  Jew  Hoafe^r-rthe  Seaborfe  carried  a  great  deal 
of  Money— we  had  under  30,000  Pagodas  on  board  our  Ship—- can*t  fay  the  Pariicolars 
•^tbc  Man  of  Wfr  had  3  per  Cent,  and  we  had  but  1  per  Cent.  Freiglit. 


Mr*  Georg^  Bladiford  called  in,  and  examined. 

I  wu  Chief  Officer  on  board  the  Saadvrich--pwe  failed  from  England  ia  June  1779*^ 
Vtiit  to  Madras— arrived  there  in  January  i78o-»fatled  from  Madras  about  July  17S09 
fyr  China,  where  we  arriwed  the  Maddle  of  Scpteml>er^^he  Seahorfc  Man  of  War  and 
Four  Indian^en  failed  with  ot, 
*Do  you  know  of  any  Treafore  car{ied  on  board  yonr  Ship  from  Madras  to  China  } 
A  little— ctn*c  tell  exaAly-— don*t  know  of  my  own  Knowledge  what  Treafore  there 
vat  on  |>oard«wl  don*t  know  of  any  Money  bdng  on  board  the  other  Ships, 


Matthew  Raperi  Efq;  wai  called  ifl,  and  examined* 

'I  was  Supercargc^-went  out  in  1767,  the  firft  Time^-retnroed,  and  vent  oat  in 
17684  and  remained  in  China  till  the  Return  of  the  lift  Fleet«->I  waa  of  the  Sele6l  Com- 
mittee—before the  Appointment  of  thai  Committee,  the  Company*t. Servant  had  Liberty 
of  taking  commercial -Confignments— the  firft  1  had  was  in  tjjj  ar  1778.  *     t 

The  only  Tranfadlion  for  Sir  Thomat  Rumbold  was  relating  to  t5>ooo  Pagodas,  the 
Produce  of  which.  I  remitted  myfelf-*-It  wat  ordered  to  be  paid  to  roe  and  Mr.  Cromline« 
by  Bradfliaw  and  Pigou,  on  Sir  Thomat*8  Account— this  wat  the  latter  End  of  177& 
n-*Mr.  Cromline  being  abfent  at  the  Time  die  Money  was  remitted^  I  (tat  it  in  my  own 
Name,  by  a  Bill  on  the  Company,  in  January  177^1  payable  to  Robert  Mackreth,  John 
Stables,  and  Thomat  Raikes,  Eftiwrea,  amounting 4o  10,769/.  i%u  iid» 

1  had  a  Config^mc nt  from  Madras  to  China,  belonging  to  Sir  Hedor  Munfo^  of  Dol* 
iarf,  amounting  to  466/.  x0  5.  3^. 

The  Scahoile  imported  Money  into  China<9-it  wat  font  op  to  the  Factory,  and  I  did 
not  know  what  it  was,  it  not  being  9II  public  Money, 

Do  you  know  the  Reafon  of  the  high  Price  of  Gold  in  China  ? 

Becaufe  it  makct  an  agreeable  Prefent  to  the  Emperor,  and  becanfe  it  is  eafier  hid 
,  from  the  Mandarine?— -that  Government  is  more  oppreffive  now  than  it  ufed  to  be— <he 
Mandarines,  on  calling  Merchants  before  them,  if  they  do  not  comply  with  the  Demanda 
readily,  Chains  are  produced,  and  the  Merchants  informed  they  will  be  put  roun^  their 
flecks,  and  they  will  be  led  to  Prifon,  to  remain  there  till  (hey  comply-r-Gold  varies  io 
Its  Price  in  China  very  much  ;  fometimes  Fifty  per  Cent,  in  the  fame  Yearr-The  Difr 
ference  between  Gold  and  Si)ver  is  as  15  Ounces  of  Silver  to  O^e  of  Gpld  j  but  it  haa 
^een  op  to  ^z  of  Silver.  / 


Mr.  Bevan  attends  again,  and  informs  the  Comiiitttee,  iThat  he  recollects  a  Circum-* 
ftance  in  his  own  Knowledge,  of  a  fmall  Sum  of  Money  being  remitted  by  Sir  Eyro 
Coote  to  Mr.  Pigoo  and  himfelf— he  does  not  recoUeft  the  Amount,  nor  what  Ship  i( 
vas  fent  in  ;  it  was  the  laft  Year — it  came  from  Bengal— Sir  Eyre  Coote  was  there. 

Before  he  arrived  in  China,  there  was  a  Box  of  Gold  belonging  to  Sir  Thomas  Rum- 
bold  and  Sir  Heftor  Munrc— it  was  ftolen  out  of  Captaip  Foxhalfs  Ship— the  Committer 
'was  defired  to  apply  to  the  Country  Government,  to  endeavour  to  recover  it.  He  fpoks 
to  the  Magiftrate  j  who  told  him.  Endeavours  would  be  ufed  to  recover  it ;  but  it  wai 
not  recovered  when  he  came  away*  He  thinks  it  came  by  the  Morfeor  Seahorfe}  but 
u  not  certain* 


A,  i;8f. 



No.  3* 


Mr*  Sadlier*s  atuficd  Account  of  Moniet  faid  to  have  been  recewed  bf  Mr*  fflitthUl  ami 

otbert,  in  tBt  Station  tf  Cbitf  y  Majulipatam. 

The  Private  Account  receiving  ftom  tte  Zemindart,  for  fettling  Three  Veen  ^emabandy. 

Qoldindee  Trippetlefauzc,  Zemindar  of 
Muglatore  —  —  a4.*7S  *^  — 
Gootalah,  hia  Security  3,000  —  — 
Pollavemm,  ditto  —  3.000  —  — - 
Chaar  Mabalh>  ditto  —  6,000  —  - 

Mr.  Floyer  fet. 
tied  ofual  Pre. 
fentt  far  Three 
Year»y  for  the 
Year  of  Phu- 
zoUee  i\%S,, 

Vaflereddy  Ramanahy  Zemindar  of  Nun- 

digaxnah        —        —        —•-* 
CuUava  Cullne,  Timmaoarow,  and  Ra- 

marowy  Zemindars  of  Beeoara  ^   — 
Mvndapetty  Trippeiterauze,  £rmindar 

of  Corcondah    —         -^     — 
Kiflero  Vcocalaram,  Defpohdah  of  Mu- 

nagalah  —  — — 

Norahurry,  Defpondih  of  Liogagree  — 
RowVencalarow,  Snrdar  of  Pettapoie  — 
Sriaguddah  Codaat  Ram,  Zemindar  of 

Davcrcotah  —  •—  — 

Zupellah  Vencalarow,  &c.  Zemindars 

of.  Chintalapoody        — .  .  —    — 
Velluntree  MoUarow  and  SUnjeevarow, 

Sec,  Zemindars    and    MerafTdari    of 

Zumalavoy  and  Madoor  Guttoo      — 
Vcchafoy    Jaggapetterauzc,    Zemindar 

of  Pcddapore         — —  — 

Sooranaoy  Naflinvarow  and  Vencataram 

TOW,  Zemindars  of  Mylavaram       — 
Conatee    KafliilTaloo,   the  Diftrifts  of 

CortapiUee  ■    ■  " 

Opparow,  Zemindar  of  Noo|ttd,  ought  to 

pay  as  the  above  People  as  former  — 


3€,275  —  — 



1,100  —  — 

600  •-  — 


18,000  •«  •— 

11,250  — •  •• 

1,500  —  — 


2S,76i  »7  — 

1,500  ^  — 

1,500  —  — 

19,500  —  — 

^35,886  17  ~ 

Mr.  Floycr  rcr 
ceived  an  Ac- 
coant  of  ufual 
Prefents  in  lafl 


Vf  r.  Floyer 
<eave  to  collet 
'n  this  Year 
the  Remainder 
from  the  Ze- 
mindars. ^ 

18,100  I—  — 
5,000  —  — 
750  —  — 
1,050  —  nr- 

300  —  k— 


9,000  —  — 




9.587    9  — 

750    — 

50,364    9  — 


6,750  —  —I 
750  —  — 

1,050  —  — 
300  —  — 

75  —  — 
9,000  — •  «-* 


75^  —.--•. 

1,125  *-  -^ 

i9»>74  «8  — 

1,500  —  — 

750  — — 

19,500  —  .^ 

85*5*4  ^8  — 

^— — .« 



A.  i;«^ 

The  PtifiU  AccovdI  it«d*i«i  fnim  ch«  Rmuri. 



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tcrofVellsrcScdlMciD  — 
VoKaticbillnm,  Rffitcr  ol 
!C  Havelljr  only,   fac  ftn. 

ujce  BacDW,  Rcntci  of  Sir 


naloo.  Renter  of  the  Hi' 
illgrc,  who  001  conlenied 
I  V*ati,  oaij  for  Two 
k.goa  Pjgoiit  each  Yeai 
If.  rlojeroul}     —      - 

Mr.  n.w  frl- 
iW  for  Ti.«« 

Mr.rloTM  te- 

c»»d  on  AC. 
cognt  ofThrtt 

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900—  -. 

480 * 

IJ^IO    —  — 







id  Stithom,  Salt  Ktatti  of  Maiutipatam  tai  Penncca,  paid  Mr.  TIojt, 
r  of  til  Reati,  Rupeit  6,000;  but  [Ma  Yen  Oaternor  and  Council  con-  - 
ant  Ken;  foi  ttaia  Veir,  thenfott  wba  oi>|hi  to  pqr  fof  tliii  Yen  t>  lift 

A.    17I 

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1 .:  n  1  n  n  1 1 1 1 1 1 1  n  1 1 

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Row  Vtae^tM  Row;  Zemindar                     '         ■             —  4)0oo 

IrligodiU  Codinl  Rim,  dttu              "■'    ■                 ~—  j,ooa 

TifluvddyJtuiunib,  ditto          '                    ——         —  4,110a 

CoaiUe  Rijipih     .         ——             ■  ],5in 

CaB>T>.C«llM.Timin>nu<iw  aoJ  Hamuew        ■  ■  -        — ;>  1,1100 

ColdiDdee  Trippetterame               — ^                 5,000 

Chihur  Mihalli  P»p)e        ^— .               —               —  1,000 

Cotili  tnd  fiotitaiif  Z«iniadin        ■  n  1    1            1,000 

Opr"ow             ■                           —~          ^—  5,000 

ZumoliniT  and  Madoor  Outloo               joo 

Ckiotahpoofr                        ■-                 I                      —  5110 

Uuadapciiy  TrippEtttnuie     '    --■■  '— ■-                ^-^  i,ipoo 

MoBigata  People                    -'^                       ---'■'     -  i"o 

iiCgipaitenuclli'natpij  bj My  Meint,  bm  he  ptidlcf annir  9,000 
lylaTatuDi,  Zemlaiar  ^—  1  500 

M.  Pigo^    ^  3>,ioo 

FIsfCT  cine  tbe  Third  Year  tt  Mr,  WhUchiU'i  ZnmmabandT,  whs  toitSti  the 
irMKiftiortheTbtfd  Year  ZnmiQabuiKi}  at  tlK  Time,  who  denumd  to  mdn  pcL- 
'.tBabatit,  u  Mi.  Cnwfuid, 

Vachavo]>  Jdetapcncnuie            '              ^     '  6,oco 

ViOeredd]!  Ranunab                  -       1              —             3,000 

Z[li|;udda  Codint  Ram          -                   ^—             — 

Coldindee  Tiippetterauie   .             '  ■■-                                  1  5,000 

(jootalih  and  PoUarim             — —          -    i-i^          — ^  1,00a 

CoIUt)  CoDue  Tinuninarow  and  Rairaiow    •^^        —  1,50a 

Coiuice  Naifinyaloo                     '     ■                                -  iijoo 

Mondapcttj  Trippetterauie          "  — —         ■  1,000 

Muaagala  People             — —             — —  JiJ 

Cbinulapood;         — .                     ■^-  ■■  —                 ~ joo 

Zumahgoji  and  Mtdmt  Guttoo                        ••          — 1 —  Ija 

MjrlintaBl         .  — •  —  —        -^— 

Dcu  Sir, 

be  iadofert  Piper  will  let  jfM  into  the  AiciDa  of  the  Sweet*  of  ihii  ChicfSup,  it  it 

naokaied  to  ][au,  in  Proof  of  the  CaoGrleqce  I  tepafe  in  you,  and  inTeftimniT  tbac 

■MB  not  (0  ^Hp  Tccrct  any  Afiion  which  yau  may  fuppofe  lUi  inflaCnce  my  Cooduft. 

r  honourable  Support  of  me  atiinft  Vclumu  of  tbe  btfen  Dcfimiiion,  cjiirrt,  and 

III  hue  it,  thii  banourable  and  cinilid  Conduft  from  me.— .The  Rapacity  aud  Peca. 

D  of  Mrn  hit  nearly  ruinod  tbii  Country ;   the  Miifortune  it  li  now  iniolTCd  in,  ori- 

XI  from  fucb  Piiodplei,  ind  in  Effefli  may  have  bniU|ht  i>i  DifliEflei  pi^blf 

0  b«  refiHtned, 

be  Paper,  if  you  pleale,  may  he  delltoyed,  it  ii  intended  but  to  fhew  the  unGraud 

tare*  with  me  iBwatdi  youbein  DOSway.—I  conGder  my Situatian  hot  temporary — 
f  B  a*  1*H  **  'Kni  yau  ■  b«an  TcAimony  of  the  hcaity  (Ood  Difpolitian  which 

A^  1782.  DEBATES.  -  75 

aAuates  me  for.  promoting  tlie  Honour  of  your  Government)  you  hm  tberefore  but  to  fig* 
mfy  to  me,  without  Refetve,  what  you  wiih,  and  depend  on  its  beeomxog  my  Guide, 
To  the  Honourable  Thomai  Rumbold,  Efqulie. 

'  Anthony  Sadlelr^  of  Fort  Saiot  George,  Enquire,  and  heretofore  Chief  of  MafulipitamB 
n^aketh  Oath  and  faith,  Tliat  foon  aftef  his  Anival  at  Mafulipatam.  in  the  Month 
of  April  177S,  to  take  upon  him  the  Charge  of  that  Chitfihip*  this  Deponent  appjie4 
to  Vencataroyaioo^  then  and  now  the  Honourable  Company**  Dubafli  and  ^bief  Inter- 
preter for  the  faid  Chief/hip,  to  givo' unto  this  Depunem  an  Account  oftbeCuftema 
heretofore  appertaining  t^  the  faid  Office ;  and  that  the  faid  Vencataroyaioa  thertupon  deli* 
vered  into  the  Hands  of  this  Deponent  two  feveral  Paper  Writings,  whereof  the  abovt 
are  true  Copies.  And  this  Deponent  further  faith,  That  he  addrefled  a  Letter  unto  the 
Honourable  Thomas  Rumbold,  Efquire  (now  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold,  Bact»),  then  Go- 
vernor of  Fort  Saint  George  ;  a  true  Copy  of  Part  whereof  is  alfo  above  written  i  and  ' 
that'he  inclofed  true  Copies  of  the  faid  Two  Papers  fo  received,  and  the  faid  original 
L*tter,  whereof  the  above  Part  is  a  true 'Copy,  under  the  fame  Cover  and  SeaU  with 
another  Letter  from  this  Deponent,  dated  the  5th  Day  of  May  1778,  to  the  faid  Thomas 
Rumbold.  And  this  Deponent  faith.  That  the  faid  Thomas  Rumbold  hathiince  ac* 
knowledged  the  Rrcript  of  the  faid  Letter  of  the  5th  of  May  177S1  but  did  not  make  any 
Mention  of  the  Receipt  of  the  faid  Two  Copies  of  Papers,  or  of  this  Deponent's  faid 
letter  which  accompanied  them,  although  this  Deponent  is  fatisfied  that  the  faid  Tho- 
mas Rumbold  did  receive  them  inclofed  under  the  faid  Cover,  which jcontained  this  De- 
ponent's faid  Letter  of  the  5th  Day  of  May  1778,  and  at  the  fame  Time  that  he  received 
the  faid.  Letter  of  the  5^ fa  Day  of  May  1778.  This  Deponent  farther  faith;  that  he  is 
well  acquainted  with  the  Hand  Writing  of  the  faid  Veneataroyaloo,  and  that  the  origi- 
nal two  Papers^  whereof  the  above  are  true  Copies>  are  of  the  propet  Hand  Writing  of 
the  faid  VenUtaroyaloo  j  and  that  the  faid  Vencatarryaloo  hath  acknowledged  onto  this 
Deponent,  that  they  were  of  his  Hand  Writing.  And  this  Deponent  further  faith.  That 
he  is  now  in  PoiTefiion  of  the  faid  two  original  PapOfs.  And  this  Deponent  further  faith^ 
That  from  what  be  has  underftood  to  have  been  the  Cuftom  of  the  Service,  he  verily  be- 
lieves that  the  faid  two  Paper  Writings,  fo  delivered  unto  this  Deponent  by  the  faid  V^n* 
cataroyalooy  contain  a  true  Account  of  theEonoluments  fo  received,  and  of  the  Manner 
in  which  they  were  received  by  the  fcverti  Perfoas  therein  mentionedi  while  they  were  re- 
fpedively  Chiefs  of  Mafulipatam  aforefaid. 

Sworn  in  Madras,  this  (Signed)  Anth.  Sadletfa 

6th  Day  of  January 
lySi^  before  me, 

(Signed)        Benj.  |loebu(;k|  Mayor, 
(^igne^)  '  James  Taylor,  Reg,  * 


No.  4- 

httter  fttm  Sir  Thomas  Rumhofd  to  Mr,  SaMar^  ack/itwU/^gifig  tbi  Receipt  §f  hit  Lelttr  cf 

yh  May  jyfS.'^Daied  ZQib  May  1778, 

My  dear  Sir, 
T  Should  have  replied  to  your  Letter  of -the  5th  InAaat  fooncr,  had  I  not  obferved  that 
•  theii  waa  no  Probability  of  our  Orders  to  the  Zemindars  not  having  the  EffeA  we  tv 
pe^^ed,  and  that  ultimately  they  moft  be  convinced  of  the  Propriety  of  an  implicit  Obedi- 
ence to  the  Orders  of  this  Governme/lt ;  and  1  have  no  Doubt  will  experience  the  Advan- 
tages of  the  new  Meafu'e.  I  am  much  obliged  by  your  Account  of  the  Z'emindars,  the 
State  of  their  Countries,  Finance,  Stw    Your  Information  has  t)  lowu  much  2i;ight  oppn 

Ifi  ,  tj^is 


P  r 

P  A  R  LJ[  A  M£N  T  A  R  Y 

A,  lj$2i 

III  ^u^f  A:  SQd  tkoogh  J  cannot  fee  the  tod  CoiUfqueoeet  ^  tlut  aie  to  fotlo^  from  the 
Zemindars  being  ordered  here  to  fettle  their  Jummabundy,  inilead  of  fixing  it  at  the  dif- 
ferent ChitflhipSy  yet  I  beg  you  will  be  affiired,  1  am  no  lefs  (enlSble  of  the  good  Intea* 
tion  with  which  you  have  freely  igiven  me  yoor  0(^inion.— >If  any  Failure  happen!  in  the 
.Payilient  of  their  K.ifta»  the  Exigencies  of  your  Oove^nqsent  moft  be  fupplied  from  hence ; 
but  I  am  willing  to  believe  you  will  not  require  our  AflHbnce. 

As  to  the  Money  due  to  the  Soobah*  you  will  receive  our  Inftruftions  on  thit  Head 
b^ore  you  difcharge  the  Balance,  I  ihajl  write  you  again  in  a  lew  Days,  In  t|ie  mean 
Time  X  beg  you  to  believe  me^ 

Pear  Sir, 

Your  much  obliged  and 

obedient  humble  Servant, 
Madras,  • 

May^aotb,  177s*  (Signed)        Tho^.  RttmboId« 

*  A  true  Copy, 

Anth.  Sadleir, 

A.  Sadleir,  Ef^, 



Na  5. 

Liturfrom  Sir  TUmst  RumMi  H  ddr^  Saiiiir^^mOttti  %'jtb  Mej  t  Tfi* 

Dear  Sir,  ^       ^ 

T  AM  favoured  with  the  Duplicate  of  the  Letter  you  font  by  Vincatarovfiloo  ;  he  is  not 
yet  arrived.  I  am  oblige^  to  you  for  your  Condud},  in  prefling  the  Zeinindars  to  re- 
pair to  fhe  Prefidency  as  foon  as  poffible,  agreeably  to  the  Orders  they  received.  I  never 
expected  otherwife  frona  you,  being  coavioced  your  own  Honour  and  Zeal  for  the  Ser- 
vice would  fuperfede  f very  private  Confideration.  You  moft  be  convinced  my  Regard 
for  you  has  been  fteady  j  and  that  it  will  be  my  Wiih,  on  all  Occafions,  to  ihew  you 
my  Atuchment  and  Defire  of  promoting  your  Intereft  $  being. 

Dear  Sir, 

Your  affectionate  humble  Servant, 

Fort  Saint  George,  (Signed)    Tho«.  RamboldU 

lyih  May  177*, 

A  true  Copy,  , 

/  Anthony  SadUir* 

Andiony  Sadleir,  Efq; 

Mo.  6. 

^4jit,  >    E   B    A    T   S    S.  7f 


Mr»  StMr^'i  hfitntftr  t9  H^VHin^i  dateitth  JauuMry  i^St. 
To  liie  HoMUttbk  Chirtes  Smith,  Ei^j^Prefidhent  and  Goternor,  ftc,  CooacU  of  Fort 

Honeur»ble  Sir  »nd$ir9y 
T  HAVE  long  been  a  concerned  and  anxions  Spe£^tor  of  the  iRLoin  into  which  the 
^  Coin|Miiiy*3  Aihm  were  faUiof>  from  the  Mifmanagement  of  their  Servants  {  the 
GonfeqiMaces  ar«  now< itiwrely felc  by  ns  all;  we  are  threatened  with  Danger,  which 
almoft  appears  infiirfnoiintu4>le,  and  therefore  every  Exertion  trading  to  public  pood 
iBoft  be  laudable,  in  BfoportfoA  to  the  Difficulties  which  render  it  ufeful  to  Society, 

Fmm  clear  and  ovi4eift  Catii^>  the  moft  cotnmon  Obferver  mull  have  forefeen  fome 
fiaeh  DUafttr  •as  thatVhich  we  now  foiFer— A  Degeneracy  of  Charafter,  and  overlove  ^ 
Riches,  a  Want  «ff  uUic  Spirit,  and  even  of  the  coromoB  Feelings  of  Humanity  to- 
wards ^e  People  who  lived  «ndcr  our  Governmenry  joiiiied  to  a  diiHpated  &evenae»  and 
a  Want  of  Inclination  to  employ  the  few  Refonrces  which  remained^  mu ft  have  rOn* 
dcfod,  and  did  noicr,  us  dangeroos  to  oor  Friends,  and  contemptible  in  the  Eyes  of  oor^ 
Enemies.  ' 

To  ftop  the  Torrent  of  Corrufftion,  by  an  exeniplary  Puniihment  or  Dete6lion  of  rhofe, 
who  were  moft  goilcyy  was  a  chief  and  favourite  Wlfh  which  I  brought  with  me,  when 
I  became  a  Member  of  OOvernment }  and  it  Is  to  This  Difpofitton  alone,  and  the  Pear 
whiefait  oceafioned  in  the  Mrads  of  Men  conftious  of  Guilt,  that  1  impute  my  Sufpen* 
fioB-fram  the  Service,  eni  other  Things  fubfequent  to  that  Want, 

I  hope  I  ihali  prove,  in  the  Conrfe  of  this  Letter,  that  my  Conduct  In  the  Chiefilhip 
of  Mai'ttlipatam  was  confident  with  that  which  I  have  fince  purfoed,  ind  that  my  Fore* 
fight  >of  Coofequeiices  have  been  f«liy  jaftifi«d  by  the  Event.  In  that  Station  I  com- 
ptained,  as  I  do  now,  that  Rapacity  and  Peculation  had  nearly  ruined  the  Coui)try.  And 
aAer  1  was  admitted  a  Membef  of  the  Comicil  at  Madras,  I  ^n  appeal  to  the  Second 
Minute,  delivered  in  hf  me  at  the  Board,  in  Proof,  tha^  it  was  my  Idea  that  a  Retrofpeuft 
off.paftdbsil  was  the  only  Foundation  l^  future  Good.— My  Words  then  were  as  fol- 
lows :—*'  It  is  true  that  we  are  furrounded  with  Difiiculties  on  dl  Sides,  as  the  Governor 
•*  -is  plcafed  to  obfervej—— -large  Arrears  of  Revenue  are  due  to  the  Compahy  from  Conn- 
«*  trfaea  whi,ch  have  foffeied  no  piiblic  Calamity  ; — ^the  Company  have  incurred  a  heavy' 
<(  De4]«,  to  anfwer  the  immediate  Demands  of  Government ;  while  thefe  Arrears  re* 
^  main  due  to  them,  their  Treafury  is  empty,  and  without  the  Hope  of  a  Supply,  at  a 
**  Time  when  it  Is  uncertain  how  great  their  Oceafiott  may  b^  for  Money t — Gffverafiient 
<*  >l»ts-Biflktilty  in  paying  its  moft  ordinary  Expencest  Trade  ia  loft  to  Individuals  ^  the 
'f  Cofi|>ai»y  have  had  little  or  no  Invtftments,  and  yet,  great  as  thefe  Evils  are,  they 
''  are  likely  every  Day  to  encreafe. 

**  This  defperate  Situation  of  our  Affairs  has  not  been  oceafioned  by  public  Miifor*. 
*^  tunc,  aad  muft  therefore  be  imputed  to  private  Mifimanagement.  We  are  no  longer 
**  in  a  Situation  where  we  can  'hold  up  the  Tell  of  Deceit  to  our  Employers,  or  adopt 
**  the  MeaAircs  of  our  PredccefTors,  without  weighing  their  Coofequences,  It  is  otir 
**  Duty  to  know  the  Evil,  that  we  may  be  able  to  apply  Relief;  and,  inftead  of  patch* 
^  ing  up  a  broken  Syftrm,  to  make  it  anfwer  a  Porpofe  or  a  Day,  to  form  feme  lading 
<^  and  regolar  Plan  of  Ctiindud  adequate  to  the  Dangers  which  furrouod  us,  and  capable 
'  <<'<of  ntricatiJig  the  Comt»aiiy*s  AfFalrs,  from  the  Difl^olties  in  which  they  are  involved.** 
tit»  t  Why  no  Enqui^  was  fet  on  Foot  when  the  Governor  acknowledged  that  we  were 
furrounded  with  Difficulties  }  Why  the  Revenue  was  allowed  to  fall  in  Arrear,  without 
an  EaertioQ  to  recover  it  ?  Why  no  Attempt  was  made,  excepting  by  myfelf,  for  th« 
Re-eftabHfiiiifent  of  Syftem  ;  and  why  the  other  Members  of  Council  ftood  filent  Spefhi* 
toM  of  approaching  Ruin  }  are  Queftians  which  their  own  Confcicnce  muft  folve,  but  of 

wiisch  the  Subjedl  of  this  Letter  may  convey  fome  DcmonftratioBt 

'  '  '  ' 

hi  :;ij|^M^ 

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P  A  R  L  i  AIa  E  N-  T  a  R  Y 

A.  i/Sf. 

I  hate  traced  my  own  Conda£^,  to  iliew  that  my  Opinions  have  heen  invariable,  and 
that  1  have  preferred  a  Degree  of  Uniformity,  ungoverned  b^^fubfequent  Events,  or  by 
perfonal  Animofity,  forthrr  than  that  honeft  Indignation,  which  cannot  hut  arife  in  my 
Mind>  on  feeing  the  Intereft  of  the  Community,,  apd  the  Honour  of  the  Nation,  facrificed 
to  the  unworthy  Motives  of  Men,  who«  beMig  placed  our  Guardians,  were  largely  paid 
for  doing  Juftice. 

1* be  Crifis  of  the  Times  do  ftill  more  preffingly  call  for  Enquiry ;  at  a  Time  when  vre 
are  forroonded  with  Public  Enemies  ^  when  our  ReiburftI  apoti'  the  Co^  feem  in  a 
Manner  annihilated,  and  an  Army,  en  which  our  Safety  depends,  fubje£l  to  ev^ry  Diffi- 
culty which  the  Want  of  Money  can  occaiion.  If  it  can  be  proved,  that  thole  whorwettf* 
introftcd  with  Power,  employed  it  only  to  increafe  their  private  Fortune,  without  any 
Regard  to  Principle  or  to  the  Good  of  their  Employers,  they  ihould  be  made  to  refund 
the  Spoil  they  have  acquired,  both  as  an  Example  to  others,  and  that  it  m^  be  applied 
to  relieve  the  Exigencies  of  Government. 

In  bringing  fucb  Men  to  Light,  I  defpife  the  Odium  which  the  intere(|cd  may  annex 
to  the  Character  of  an  Informer;  the  A&  is  only  difbooourable  when  the  Motive  •§ 
not  good  :  But  as  I  have  in  View  the  Intereft  of  the  Company  and  of  the  Nation,  the 
Prefervation  of  the  Commuolty,  and  the  Happinefs  of  Thoufands,  who  look  up  tons 
for  Proteflion-  as  I  am  not  influenced  by  private  Advantage,  and,  in  Oppofition  -to- 
thefe  great  Concerns,  have  no  Motive  to  fway  me  but  the  Eafe  of  a  few  IndtviduaU,  who, 
inftead  of  Indulgence,  defer ve  both  Shame  and  Pupiflimeot,  the  A^  of  infurmtng  it 
honourable ;  and  he  who  has  tile  Courage  to  furmount  Prejudice,  in  Support  of  Princi- 
ple, cannot,  in  my  Opihion,  but  deferve  Praife.^— |  court  this  honeft  Praift  in  Reward 
for  my  ConduA  j  and  I  ihall  now  proceed  to  ftate  the  CircumftsAcei  which  have  occa- 
iione^  the  above' Reflet)  icms. 

I  left  the  Prcfldency  to  take  Charge  of  the  Chtefifhip  of  Mafutipatam,  with  the  fulleft 
Confidence  that  it  was  Sir  Thomas  Auoabold's  Intention  to  cocrecl  the  Abufes  in  the 

Company*s  Syftem  upon  this  Co^ft 1  thought  myfelf  in  a  great  Meafure  indebted  to 

him,  for  the  honourable  Station  I  was  about  to  hold  {  and  Gratitude  concurred  with 
Principle,  in  making  me  defirous  to  fulfil  what  I  thought  to  be  his  Inclination.*-*— 
Upon  takipg  charge  of  the  Chief/hip,  I  found  it  much  impoveriflied ;  I  determined 
therefore  to  trace  Caufes  back  to  their  Source,  with  a  View  to  the  Eftabliflimentof  fu. 
rure  Order  j  and  though,  before  my  Enquiry  was  finifhed,  I  had  Reafon  to  think  that  I 
was  impofed  upon,  under  the  Cloak  of  Friendfhip,  I  communicated  the  Refult  of  it 
with  that  umeferved  &pennefs  and  Candour  which  1  thought  the  Public  Service  re* 
quired.  ' 

I  hope  the  accompanying  Papers  will  be  no  bad  Proof  of  the  nnifonn  Confiftency  ani 
Diflntereftednefs  of  my  Condu£t. 

The  Firft  contains  Accounts  which  were  deliiered  to  me  in  the  Hand*writing  of  Vm» 
cauroyaloo,  the  Company's  DuhaOi  at  Mafulipatam,  of  the  Emolumenu  received  by 
Three  of  my  Predeceftbrs  in  the  ChicfOiip  of  that  Place,  amounting  to.  Madras  Pa- 
godas    —p—  3.T7>)54    — 

And  a  Balance  remaining  doe,  amounting  to  the  additional  Sum  of         94»47^    vS 

In  all,  Madras  Pagodas 

4>*«»633     iS 

The  Second  Psper  is  an  Extraft  of  a  Letter  which  accompanied  thefe  Accounts  to  Sir 
Thomas  Rumbold,  then  Governor  of  Madras  j  and  the  Third  is  an  Affidavit  made  bj 
me  to  authenticate  thefe  Papers,  and  the  Manner  in  which  they  were  received. 

In  Addition  to  thefe  Papers,  I  now  tranfmit  to  the  Board,  the  Copy  of  a  Letter  which 
went  under  the  fame  Seal  with  the  above  Letter  to  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold,  giving  hi  in 
an  Account  of  the  Circumftances  and  Situation  of  the  different  Zemindars,  together 
with  my  Opinion  of  th:  Meafure  adopted  by  Government,  in  («Hnmoning  the  Zemindars 
to  the  Prefidency  ;  as  alfo  the  Copies  of  Two  Letters  from  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold 'to  me, 
in  one  of  which  he  acknowledges  the  Receipt  qf  my  Packet,  of  the  5th  Miy  I77S9 
containing,the  above  Information*  j, 

The  alarming  Situation  to  which  the  Compar*y*s  Affairs  are  reduced  upon  this  Coaft, 
is  enough  of  itfe'.f  to  occafion  Sufpicion  in  the  Mind  oi^^  a  Man  unacquainted  with  Caufes  2 
and  when  the  Safety  of  a  Country  is  at  Stake,  Sufpicion  is  juft  Ground  of  Enquiry 
but  whin  Information  is  fo  duly  authenticated,  and  par<iy  aeainft  a  Charad^er,  .which 
by  fubfeqoent  Conduft  has  contributed  fo  greatly  to  our  prefent  Diftrefs^;  it  cannot  be 
imagioed  that  Government  here  will  be  fo  treacherous  to  their  Employers, 'as  to  ne« 

gtea  inftituting  fuch  Pwfcciition  as  the  U*  direair  todlke  KatBrfcoflOw  C»fe,|»«f' 


It  U  unoccfiTarv  to  urge  to  the  Honourable  Bo«td,  tt  they  mnft  b«  fuiflkwuay  iM^e. 
that  inferences  u'ilj  be  dr.wn  to  their  own  Prejudice  as  Individual.,  if  they  n«8>««  «• 
execute  Public  Jjfticc,  if  pvioied  out  Uk  them*  when  the  Mode  is  fo  appar<»t,  and  tno 
Means  fo  much  in  their  Power.  Mr.  WhitehiO  is  ^ow  at  Madrn,  and  is  ^P?"  the 
Point  of  Departure  tor  Europe  ,  and  if  the  poufcrnment  aUowhimto  JPPa«  wtfi  fuch 

Jiformatioo  againft  him, 'betoie  hei^  acquitted  by  the  ^^1"^  ^  t^I^LfihlTfl^^^^^ 
the  Opinion  of  the  Boaid,  how  far  theif  Employcra  may  tliink  them  nafponftWe  for. tb« 

^^tXcortpany's  ServaniB  have  befn  guilty  of  Peculation  '" ^^^^jTrr^^  *7  ^^^'^ 
abufcd  the  Truft  rtpofeiin  then,  j  if  by  thftfe.Abufes  they  hwe  brought  ^^^^j^-P^^ 
their  Country  ,  l«t  it  U  Imagined,  how  much  the  Opm.on  f  ^^f^^!^^,^ 
have  laid  the'  Foundation  of  our  prefent  Reverfe  of  Jartutae,  and  ^t»»tj"««»f  "  "^^ 
Sve  in  future,  not  only  to  check  the  Compjny's  Credit,  ^^^^^ ^'^/^^^.^  Dep«», 
deocc  upon  our  Government,  to  prevent  thole  Alliances  vrith  the  Cou.tiy  Powers 
which  ac  prefent  feem  fo  effenvjal  to  our  Afftiw.         -  .  u^m'  T„i««     MrJ 

I  have  already  urged,  that  the  beft  Foandalion  for  p«bUe  Spirit,  s  public  J«flj«;  *^ 
Whitehfll  held  thefirft  Station  in  the  Company'.  Service  «?-»  ^"  ^rt  1  ot'e  J  Sfe 
when  their  AflFairs  fuftered  the  gteateft  Rev«rfc}  ««!  if  it  »  P;ov«Jt^»t  tVZ»W  ^ 
fcom  which  our  Evil  has  originated,  I  fnbmlt  it  to  the  Board,  whedierh*  A^old  m 
receive  Pun.ihment  according  to  Law,  both  as  an  Example  to^^ofe  who  W^  TrMft,  and 
that  we  may  give  our  Friends  and  our  Enemies  an  Opinion  of  <>»«■;«**««•  . 

I  havTaUdy  declared,  that  I  conftder  myfeK  a  Meaaber  of  the  Boatd.  «^  Aat  th^ 
AaofViolenceby  which!  was  driven  from  it,  '^^'^^F^^^^^^T' ^.^xJt^I^^l 
fnherentin  the  Station    I  now  repeat  the  ^-^f  ^»?»*»;»»„JSjf* "  ^^^^^^^^^^ 
I  have  laid  befo«  the  Buani,  lays  the  Fouadatipn  of  an  *^^;»^Jf^f .f*^.^^^^^ 
Imereft  of  my  honourable  Matters,  I  hereby  foimallr  ^'^^tJZ!^ ^^S^L^U 
I  may  be  able  to  profccute  that  Enquiry  in  the  Manner  moft  pfopcr  lo  produce  the  dcfite* 

:  I  havt  the  Honour  to  be, 

Hpoouiable  Sir  aad  Sirs, 
Your  moft  obedient 
«      «  .     -^  humble  Servaoty 

Fnrt  Saint  Gcorie.  AitAony  Sadfcir. 

gtb  January  »7»1.  '  . 

v>      4 

No.  7. 

^,r,.b.»tM.d,...odCu<Ulo.elowork.  .^V'^J^-^H  your  ZU.  x!  or  .300 
a  full  Udiog  to  the  Dok*  of  Kmgfton,  and  hope  " '"f  y'yVT..^  A.„,a  the  Oo- 
8*J."more.  in  the  Coutre  of  a.«  Moath,  or  u»  the  Momh  of  M«t^,  wouw  m^^^^ 

5'C       .     '      »! 

PAR  L  1  A  ME  N  T  A  R  V  A.  1781. 

anlCMoal  bi  U>l«  to  f^iply  «  <ritk  ToaMt*  f»  AM  Pnlpofe,  igrat- 

■.0.  vc  miuie  id  tbrm  in  our  Lennr  of  ihc  Ith  altimo. 

loSindianeFwblK  AffiiTiill  itSDiii  di  in  Jnlf  lift,  oa  the  Incucfioa 
•TKrdcr  All^iaiatlic  Careatk,  (ninted  out  la  ui  the  erifcat  Pra- 
piicty  of  (uniBg  OBifalm  iannediMely  to  celled  «  coBipetent  Cv* 
lifon  Store,  Aad  iD-eadiiioyr  ill  in  our  Power  to  piticat  the  dif- 
tnCtM  Canftqaeooti  to  the  lii)nbiiint>,  of  the  CountiT  being  liid 
wiftc  bjr  the  Enemy,  we  wrote  to  the  Cokibot  Ctoetil  ini  Coaneil 

Ofiin,  mi  of  Salt  Piorilioni  i  and  bud  foob  ihe  Pleifare  Is  ktin  fron 
then,  ihil  ihtj  hid  tncered  into  Coati^ai  for  i  conOdtnblo  Supply 

ti  of  Silt  Pronfiuit,  Mitforiaiolt  ample  Qniniiiy  of  Kice  for  eor  Re. 
licfj  (tfunatiBg  to  vpwatdi  of  ls,oai>  £>g>i  not  5a,eoo  tf  which 

9.  In  arintxnCDonfa  tfaelmparlBtwa  of  al]  fuch  Artittti  ■■  the 
HMiTit  ofe  for  Fe»i,  we  irfalnd  lo  rrrnii  the  [>ui)>  nruiltj  levied  on 
t)iCB,nDtit  the  18  Mty  neit]  we  haTS  iftillen  to  the  Subordiniciei, 

rer;  Speciei  of  PmiHoDiifaty  c*n  coriea  )  and  ia  fine,  we  hope  we  hi<e, 
I'tataatioBa,  inattei  tfaedrMdfnl  EHefli  of  Famine,  which  appMitd  to 

10.  We  hn«ac<)inidtod  yMr  HoMnn  tallh  the  Particalan  of 
t.    tW  SitlpoitfiaB  of  MeC  Whiiebill  ani  SallMr  Item  the  Senks,  ia 

oui  L.«t*ri  of  tbs  I  jtb  OAober,  and  ifrh  Havmiber;  ve  tbeftfeie 
■,  thinb-it  mmKctOtij  toby  any  ThiR|  note  OD  ibii  Sul^id,  tb>a  to 
>,  refer  jrou'toanr  PiacoediDtii  forled  in  ihc  Mtrgin,  which  wiU  fully 
r,      Biptiia  tha  rilfeaiw  Condoa  of  each  UtaAtr  of  GotnamCBt, 

wkea  .ahofe  RtMntlsM  tMlc  place. 
^    II.  Vo  tilMwife  ia  our  Letter  of  the sjth  Nsmber,  explaiant  to 
V     yM  onr  RmImi  far  haring  tiliad  Mtffii.  Matgii)  Willumi  ant 

WiHiiBi  Comiag,  lotbeBnit,  *•  afiiaf  Mlaaben  dF  Coaaal  in  tha 
,  WhicehiU  aDd  Sidlelr. 

13.  Wt  mentionf d  li  you,  incut  Letter  of  the  T;th  Oflober,  the 
* '  GMpa  we  hadutakiD  in  conftquEnce  of  your  Ordeii  for  the  Dneaisn 
'  .  of  tb*  PirGini  under  Ihii  Gorernaeni,  laid  to  bare  been  concerned 
:  in  tho  French  Ship,  called  the  ElizibcHi.  The  Piww4i*gi  noted  ia 
"  the  Mir^n,  contiin  i  full  DifculTloo  of  thi<  Subjeft.  . 
jd  iofiint,  Mr.  CoitTord  iddrelKd  ui  a  Letter,  intimating  his  Inteniioa  of 
tope  on  a  Danifli  Ship  thca  in  the  Road,  aa  bii  State  af  Health  did  not 
ipply  fo  elofely  10  BuCoefi  at  he  could  wiOi.     We  aie  much  concerned  to 

oUetrr,  that  Mr.  Cotifoid  fhould  judge  thit  a  funicien^ReaTbn,  at 

tha  prcTeat  moA  critical  lad  aliiming  Crif>s  of  the  Coaiptny'i  Af- 

fairi,    for  lelinquilhing  the  honouiable  and  confpicuoui  Station  ta 

which  yon  bad  been  pieafcd  to  appoint  him. 
Doubt  but  Mr,  Cotiford'i  RepicCeniitign,  of  the  Fort  of  Maufulipitam 
u  good  a  Slaie  of  Defence  u  Cireumflantes  permitted,  it  joft  j  but  when 
Dutfiinding  Balances  of  the  Zemindiri  and  Renlert,  inflead  of  being 
d,  ai  we  hid  flittered  D^ffelifei  would  have  been  efleSed,  have  on  the 
iScTcd  to  auiment  eoDfidenbly,  and  it  Ibii  Time  ifloilly  aBtonni,  inclsd. 
lue,  to  Midial  PagBdl)  l,st»,^gp  fj.  We  cannot  agree  with  him,  that 
:a,lefl  undone,  which  (he  ChicT  and  Council  had  the  " 
lo  your  Honouii,  whether  thii  Subjeft  could  any  wheie 
than  itihePrelidencyf 
«rt»  of  bit  Letter  are  too  futile  for  at  to  trefpifs  on  jmi  Time,  bj  re. 
Ihim  i  but  we  cinnot  help  cbrttiing,  that  his  Application  to  ua  foe  our 
r  he  had  on  every  OccaGon  avnind  hia  Deierminition  to  lelutn  to  Europe 
Ship,  ^vbich  wit  on  the  Point  of  failing,  and  ti>  embaikint  wkfaoot 
Anlwer,  carry  [be  ApFCarince  of  great  DifnfpeA  te  that  fapnior  Autbo- 
I  by  your  Nonourtas  your.  Rep rcfcnuiivei, 

15.  In  the  Month  of  September  yoerftindlDiCounfel  at  tfaii  Pie- 

fidency,  Mr.  Benjamin  Sulivin,  ipplied  Co  ui  for  an  lacreifa  of  Sa. 
Totth  hii  being  precluded  by  hii  prtfeai  btalion  from  every  Eicrdfe  of  hia 
what  it  devoted  to  Che  Infotmation  of  Goternment,  and  that  hit  Al- 
ii to  hia  Employ  WBi  not  adequate  to  the  onivoidible  Eipencec  of  a  Per> 
table  Situation  in  Chia  Country.  After  much  ConCdeciiiao,  OD  a  Coin- 

A.  tjSa. 



parifon  of  Nir.  SttliVan*s  Adv^nMges  with  thofe  of  your  Advocate  Geaeral  in  Bengal^  and 
on  ihe  evident  NeceUkj^  there  is  for  our  having  an  able  AfTiftant,  to  advifc  wkti  in  all 
Matters  of  Law;  we  came  to  the  Refolution  of  doubling  his  Salary,  as  a  fuitable  Encou- 
ragemrnt  to  Mr.  Sulivan,  whofe  Abilitlea  and  Judgments  we  have  every  Rsafon  to  be 
fatis6ed  with.     ^  '  ~ 

19.  A  ihoit  Time  fioce  we  r^ceivef  a  Letter  from  Mr.  Sadleir,   fettiog  forth  the 

Hardihipa  he''bad  fufiered,  and  fubmitting  to  us,  what  Compenfation 

Conf.  30th  Dec.       we  deemed  adequate  to  his  Services.     As  we  did  not  think  ourleivQs 

aotborised  to  grant  him  any  other  Confideration  for  his  Lofiea,  arif- 
ing  frotQ  Sttpereeffion  or  Su^ofio8>  tb^n  what  had  hitherto  been  allowed  to  Covenanted 
Servants  in  the  fame  Predicament,  we  could  only  agree  to  pay  him  the  Salary  aiyl  A)* 
lowances  he  omitted  to  draw  for,  as  fet  forth  by  him,  until  the  Time  of  his  late  Suf* 
penfion.  ^ 

ei.  Sir  "Eyre  Coote  having  recommended  to  our  ConfideraMon,  a  l^e^ter  iddrefled  to 
him  from  the  Commander  of  the  Duke  of  Kingfton,  reprcfenting  the  Lo^s  he  had  fol- 

tained,  by  being  ordered  to  tranfport  the  Troops  and  Stores  to  this 
Coa£  5thDee.         Prefidency;    we  thought  it  but  suitable  to  allow  Mm  the  fame 

Compenirftion,  for  his  great  Attentkn  in  forwarding  the  public  Ser- 
vice, and  for  the  Detriment  it  had  been  of  to  his  private  Intere!^,  that  had  been  fbr* 
mcrly  graftied  by  che  Govsrnor  Geoeral  and  Co»Af;il  to  each  of  the  Commanders  of  the 
Company*s  Ship&  employed  againft  Poodicb«rry  }  hot  as  we  could  not  advance  him  C'tifhp 
ve  have  given  him  a  Company *s  IntereA  Bond  for  the  Amount. 

S9,  Mr.  John  Dougks  made  a  Purchafe  from  the  Company,  in  Septembef  1 779,  of  a 
Pkce  of  Groeadt  fitiuited  on  the  Efplanade,  formi;>g  Part  of  the  Sea  peach  :  As  we  had 
iince  been  conviaced,  by  the  repeated  Reprefcntations  of  the  Merchants  belonging  to 
this  SttttemefAt^  of  the  gieat  Inconvenience  and  Detriment  it  would    be  of  to  Trad^ 

ihould  we  allow  the  Ground  to  falHnto  the  Hands  of  any  Individuaf^ 
Conf.  5th  May*       wc  agieod  to  give  Mr.  Doaglas  the.Sum  of  $ight  thoufand  Pfgodas^ 

on  Condition  that  he  reiinquiihed  all  Claim  tp  the  Purchafe  }  which 
he  accepted. 

24.  We  lately  received  an  Acceu»t  from  the  Chief  and  ConncH  at  Vieagapatam>  of 

the  Lofs  to  the  Company,  occafioned  by  the  Mudny  of  the  Sepoys  in 

ConC  5lh«        OAober  lait }    and  I  have  ordered  the  Amount,  which  exceeds  ihe 

Sum  of  Fifteen  ihenfand  Pagodas,  to  be  written  off  to  the  Head  of 
Profit  and  h^u 

ftS.  The  Books  of  the  fcveral  Subovdiaacief  not  having  been  forwarded  to  u(,  Qn  Ac* 
count  of  the  prtfent  DifficuUy  of  conveying  large  Packages  from  one  PartofthU  Coaft 
.|o  the  other»  the  Gcnerak  Books,  emUng  April  lafl,  could  not  be  clofed ;  and  the^r 
Statements  of  Revenues  and  Expences  fine*  that  Time,  not  hAving  been  yet  received, 
has  hkewife  pftvented  us  from  k>rwerding  to  your  Honoucs  any  other  than  our  Annual 

2f.  TheNumbarefAreet  Rupees  in  thic  TreafiKy,  and  the  expelled  Supplies  froip 
V'sagapataqn  and  Gan}am  being  always  received  in  that  Specie,  induced  us,  in  Coofulta- 
tion  the  39th  ultimoy  to  eftablift  the  Currency  of  Arcot  Rupees  thrcughout  this  Set- 
tle»ent,'in  all  Payments  not  excee^ng  three  hnndred  Pagodas  ;  and  we  trgft  we  have 
fixed  their  Exchange  at  fa  yutt  a  Medium,  that  the  Public  wiU  not  be  aggrieved,  nor 
■the  Comkpany  fo^r  any  Lofs,  by  this  Regulation. 

3€U  The  Amount  of  the  Invloee  by  thie  Ship,  is  One  hundred  and  Sikfy-foer  thou* 
iand  Nine  kundted  and  Thifiy^fix  Pagodas,  Thirty-on«  Fanams,  and  Fifcy>five  Ca^ 
(164,936.  31.  53O 

3n.  Vonr  Henoers  have  thaa  Day  in  your  Treafuiy  as  fellQws  |  vis. 

Current  Pa^odae 
^Madras  Pagvdas 
Ascot  Rupeea 
Ocffman  Ctownt 
Mufters  of  Goid 
Cnnent  Pagoda^ 
Madsae  Pigodas 

*99  35    «r 

-  S^ 

—  9MS5  »«       4 
^  1,281  --    — 

•  •  ^  _  _ 

And  yon  have  in  your  CaHi  Chefl,  Twenty  fix  thoe^nd  T^ree  hundred  and  IF^rty* 
fo«r  Pandas,  Twepty-eight  Fsnant^  nnd  one  Caib,  (ft&i3,44.  n9«  |.) 


Voi. ,  VI, 




No.    8. 

•irfnm  ibt  PrifiJal  and  Cmcil  ai  Firi  S-Hnr  Onrp,   ia  ihtir  RtVHne  Dtfam 

,  iht  Cu.ri  ^ Di'i3r,  ./ lit  E^  ladia  Cmftiif  i  daicd  v'''j">""J  '7*'- 

»t.  I.    AS  our  Pfoceedingj  ig  thi)  Depirtment  ifiW  be  forwWdeJ  to  joor  Honour),  t] 
■"■  youi  Ship  Duke  of  Kingfton,  now  under  Oifpitch   for  Europe,  we  tike  thi 
me  Oppoitunitjr  of  eipl>iaia|  full)'  to  you  fwh  Piitkulin  nCpcaini  jour  Xercaus 
I  ba«e  wcurred  Gnce  our  Addnfi  under  Date  ihi  4ih  A-piil. 
a.  The  Z«mindin  «f  the  Four  Northera'Ciiciu  under  Mirulipitim,    befog  afleinblc 
lece  in  June  lift,  lo  fettle  [he  Paymenti  due  from  them  tefpe^  velf  ;    your  Chief  itii 
ouDCil  infotiDtd  ui,  Ibej  had  bun  h  li>ng  anufed  bf  the  lepeiied  Ptomifri  of  the  Ze 
lindaritudtliierin  their  Teep*,  and  bid  fo  coaftantly  Tousd  ihorePremiCn-brokea,  ibi 
ley  bid  at  length  thought  it  ntetl&iy  to  tiy  whil  iStSt  i  Shew  of  coercivtf  Mea'me 
iwardi  ibe  Zcmindtn  wnld  have,  and)  in  eanfei|ueii(t.  Sepoy  Guudi  were  afluali: 
placed  over  their  Prrrosi,  after  the  Chief  and  Council  had  eiplamei 
onf.  7th  ]a]f,       to  them,  Ibu  their  late  unpardoniblf  ttaGie  Cenduft  could  aloai 
hife  brought  upon  them  fo  caofpicuwi  *  Maik  of  Diigrice. 

3.  It  wai  hoped  ihii  Appearance  of  Seieiit}  would  induce  the  Zemindari  10  eiei 
leoifeliti  in  the  Dilchirge  of  their  Balancetj  bat  lei)  il  Oiould  not,  we  antboriied  yon 
:|iief  and  Council,  in  tbe  left  Entierolly,  to  adopt  *  Plan  that  ihej  themfelvee  ha> 
i^geacd  ;  which  waa,  either  to  take  PufTeffiun  in  the  Name  of  the  Company,  of  th 
jvetal  Couotriei  belonging  to  the  Ztmiodata,  until  Ihey  pi'ocured  Billi  fnr  their  fenn 

onf,  la  Aug.  pulTeired,  to  fatiefy  the  juil  Demindt  of  the  Company  (  or  to  impre: 
tbem  with  an  Idea,  that  if  they  did  not  proiide  thei<  Teepi  at  a  cei 
lin  Perind  Aoilly  afiet  the  gathering  in  the  HiricR  the  Beginning  of  itai  enfiiing  Yen 
le  had  giaen  an  Auihaiilf  to  the  Chief  and  Council,  to  feite  on  tbe  Ctopi,  aad  lo  kerj 
'cfTeirion  of  them  until  their  Tsepi  <ke[t  produced.  , 

4.  Hiving  thui  furnidied  your  Chief  and  Council  with  fuch  imple  Powen,  to  pu 
1  force  their  Don  Propofal,  which  we  »:ie  tbe  more  readily  led  to  give  our  Sinaio 
},  from  the  (Jpinioa  cepeitedly  advanced  by  them,  that  the  principal  Zemindan  ha 
irgef  Fundi  at  Command  than  ihey  chofe  to  bring  forth  oa  thii  Occilian  )  we  truftc 
le  Ihould  eipeiience  the  dtfired  Effefl  from  the  Adivity  of  tbe  Bond  at  Mifulipatan: 
Iboui  IwoManlhiaftetwirdi,  we  received  a  Letter  fiOED  thtm,  tecapituliting  lo  ui  tb 
>irpuiea  that  had  atifcn   between  the  Zen>in:liri  and  the  Bouctri,    with   their  Mei 

forea  in  confequeree  (for  a  full  Account  of  which,  ai  repre 
%nf.  }d  N'o*.         ftnted  to  ui,  we  beg  Lean  to  refer  yeur  Honour)  to  iheir  Letter!  c 

the  31ft  July  and  of  the  I5ih  Sapieiiiber},  and  iofonning  .u),  thi 
bry'had  at  length  obtained  Teepi  Irom  tne  Zemindar  of  Bidipore  for  Pigodi 
tS.OOO)  From  the  Zemindar  of  Munglitore  far  PiRodatiSs.oooi  From  the  Zemin  di 
fRamchunderiporam  For  Pagodai  11,641.  J4.  >5>  From  the  Zemindir  orCorcoodali  k 
'agodai  6  S;j,  6.  30  :  And  from  the  Manigei  at  Piltapote  for  Pagodai  ;7,4;4.  ]i.  it 

5.  There  appeared  fuch  a  Want  of  Pn^iiely  »d  Vigour  In  the  ConduQ  of  the  Chi< 
nd  Council,  in  (Jie  CouiTe  of  their  Negotiation)  with  the  abDie-tneniioned  Zetnindar 
hat  we  could  not  tiM  uprefling  tg'thqm  oui  DiOitii  fait  ion  (Mheir  Mealiirrs ;  and,  i 

order  the  more  ftrongly  to  evince  the  NccelTity  oftheii  ofiog  eiei 

:oor.  jthDcc.         pofubleMeana  tojecovet  the  heaiy  Balance)  ftil I  ouinanding  froi 

the  Zemindar),  »e  fent  them  Copy  of  the  )Sth,  igth,  and  soth  Pi 

^gnphi  of  your  Orders  of  the  i6ih  June  177^;  which,  *e  flatter  00 ilclTei,  will  hai 

mj  good  Effe^  we  could  wilh. 

«.  In  the  Beginning  of  lilt  Veir,  the  Minor.  Zemindar  of  Pittapote,  named  Coma 
'iacaia  Kow,  Gcd  fiom  hii  (Jncle  Mihtfuttj  Kew,  utia  wa*  ia  the  ttmpotaijr  Manag 

A.  1782.  DEBATES.  83 

went  of  his  Country,  and  took  Refuge  with  his  Adherents  5  in  particular,  Byrava  Pon- 
taloo  the  late  Pewan  of  Pittapore,  in  the  Fort  of  Piddap9re  ;  alleging,  that  his  Uode 
meant  to  make  away  with  him,  and  to  eftablifh  himfelf  in  the  Zemindary.  Your  Chief 
and  Council  being  advifed  of  this,  ordered  all  the  Parties  to  Mafulipatano,  in  order  to  en- 
quire into  the  Caufes  of  fo  extraordinary  an  Event ;  but  finding,  on  a  full  Inveiligatlon  of- 
the  Subje^V,  that  there  were  no  juft  Grounds  of  Complaint  againft  Ma.r 
Coof.  23d  Feb,  heprutty  Row,  and  that  this  Difturbance  had  arifen  from  the  Intriguei  of 
Byrava  Puntaloo,  and  of  Jaggaputterauze,  Rajah  of  Peddapore,  yoor 
Chief  and  Council  directed  the  Child  to  bs  returned,  to  his  Uncle,  and  exhorted  Byrava 
Puntaloo  to  be  reconciled  to  Mahep^tty  Row ;  pledging  themfelves  to  fecure  the  Rights  of 
the  young  Zennrindar  from  sny  intended  Incroachmeuts  O'  his  Uncle. 

7.  This  Determination  was  accordingly  fignifi?d  to  both  Parties  by  the  Chief,  at  an  In- 
terview he  had  with  them  at  the  Company*s  Garden  Houfe,  Byrava  Puntaloo  and  his 
Foilowets  {hewed  fome  Appearances  of  Diflatisfa^icn  at  the  Decifioo  {  and  bfl  their  taking 
Leave  of  the  Chi  f,  the  young  Zemindar  exprrffed  great  Unwiliingners  to  go  with  1^ 
Uncle;  which  the  Chief  perceiving,  thought  fit  to  iofifton  his  Compliance  with  theOrder^ 
of  the  Council.  A  Scuffle  between  the  Two  Fadions  enfued,  and  Comara  Vencata  Row 
was  finally  carried  off  to  the  Pettah  of  Mafulapatam,  by  the  Adherents  of  Byrava 
f  8.  When  thcfe  Circumftances  came  to  our  Knowledge,  we  judged  it  proper  to  dire^  your 

Chief  :and  Council  to  confine  the  Rioters,  and  to  eftabli/h  Maheputty 
Conf.  25th' M«T.     Row  and  Byrava  Puntaloo  in  the  joint  Management  of  the 'Pictapore 

Country,  until  Comara  Vencata  Row,  to  whom  we  gave  Permiilion  to 
remain  under  our  Protection  at  Mafulipatam,  fhould  come  of  Age ; .  and  if  either  Party 
made  any  Objections,  to  acquaint  them,  the  Zemindary  muft  then  be  converted  into  Ha- 
yelly  Lands  during  the  Minority  of  Comara  Vencata  Row.  The  Chief  and  Council,  in 
Anfwer,  pointed  out  to  us  the  Impofiibility  of  reconciling  Mahepuity  Row  and  Byrava  Pua« 
taloo,  to  accede  to  the  Terms  of  this  Decifion. 

9*  To  avert  the  ill  tionfequences  that  mufl  neceiTarily  enfue,  from  tbe  Country  being 

any  longer  in  a  State  of  Confufion,  after  diflferent  Plans  had  been  fug- 

Conf.  23d  June,      gefled  by  the  feveral  Members  of  Council  at  our  Meetings,  held  as 

50  June,      noted  in  the  Margin,  we  at  length  refolved,  as  Maheputty  Row  ap- 

19  July.      peared  clearly,  from  bis  near  Relation/hip  to  Comara  Vencata  Row,  to 

have  a  prior  Claim  to  the  ManagemeM  of  the  Zemindary,  »nd  ai  we 

never  had  Reafon  to  be  difpleafed  with  his  CenduCi,  that  ne  fliould  have  a  Cowle  granted 

him,  eftabliihing  his  former  Authority  in  the  Zemindary,  until  Comara  Vencata  Row 

ihoold  arrive  at  the  Age  of  Eighteen  Years  ;  when,  if  the  different  Branches  of  the  Fa« 

mily  fhould  agree  to  manage  the  Pettapore  Country  in  Harmony  togethei;,  they  (hould  be 

/      permitted  to  ^0  fo ;  otherwife,  that  their  feveral  Claims  (hould  hereafter  be  referred  to  the 

£>ecifion  of  the  Ptefident  and  Council  at  that  Time — Wh''n  thefe  Refolutions  were  made 

'known  to  Maheputty  Ruw,  he  expreficd  much  DifTatisfaClion  at  them  ; 
Conf.  8th  Aug.     and  flated  to  the  Chief  and  Council  his  Clai|h,  agreeably  to  the  Cuflom 

of  the  Country,  ^o  an  equal  Share  in  the  Zemindary  with  hit  Ne^ 

10.  Maheputty  Row's  Reprefentation  of  his  SitOation  appearing  fo  well  founded,  and 
ills  alTertion  of  his  Rights  fo  juft,  that  feeing  no  profpeCl  of  fecuring  payment  of  the 
Company**  Kifis  from  that  Country,  which  was  our  principal  ObjeCl,  but  by  Means  of 
Maheputty  Row,   we  were  induced  to  reverfe  our  former  Judgment,  and  to  confirm  the 

firft  Cowle  granted  to  kim  ;  which  ftill  remains  in  hi^  Pofrefiion,.in  its 
Conf.  litk  Aug.  full  Force.— i- We  have  every  Expectation  from  this  Meafure  of  a  punc- 
tual Difcharge  of  the  Arrears  due  from  the  Pettapore  Zemindary ;  at 
the  lame  Time  your  Honours  may  depend  upon  our  carefully  protecting  the  Prrfon  of  the 
^cmng  Comara  Vencata  Row,  who  is  now  at  Mafulipatam,  from  any  Machinations  of 
either  Party,  until  he  ihall  be  of  a  proper  Age  to  take  upon  himfelf  the  Charge  of  Public 

XX.  We  tre  concerned  to  acquaint  your  Honours  of  a  (light  Difturbance  that  happened 
ibme  Time  fince  in'  the  Cot^pillee  Diftrid,  from  the  refradory  Conduct  of  the  Manager^ 
C«flnty  Norfinvalloo ;  who,  upon  being  rep^eatedly  fent  for  by  ydur  Chief  and  Council,  to 

repaid  to  Mafulipatam,  to  fettle  the  Payment  of  his  Tribute,  aClually 
Ceaf*  8th  Aug*    took  up  Arms  againft  the  Company.— We  have,  however,  the  Piea^ 

fore  of  informing  you,  that  the  Peace  of  that  Country  is  refiured,  and 
<hiit  s<'«e  teTC  pli^  Txunubrow,  a  Mao  of  large  Property,  Dewan  to  the  Rajah  of 

M  9  Mugletotf 

in  (be  Mu)*Etmtat  of  Coupillce  Hivdlj,  on  Tcrmi  trry  >< 

.._ ...Sonar  Siticrim  Riuii,  Four  Villigsi  bf  Ibit  Difliifl,  ■■  ■  Compenf*. 

lion  for  ■  Debt  due  to  bim  from  Atrhootenm  Riuf-.-— Thoujk  ihe 
■lib  Aag.     Demud  miihi  be  }<'A,  )cl  we  eoold  nor,  upon  idj  Account,  fnifT  m 

Alienation  of  Z'tnindir;  Lindi,  not  conSdeHog  the  Znnindui' (o  but 

:,  wilheni  ouc  SinQJoo  being  firA  obttined  ;  end  i)  we  undeiKooi  fi«n  the  Chief 
oumil  II  Mifnlipiltm,  that  tlie  Inieifetence  of  SLtMrim  Riuie  vu  the  onlr  Ob- 
ftide  10  the  Figment  of  ihe  Tribute  of  ihe  Colih  Country,  we  .e- 
lalh  A0|,  Itjfed  the  Four  Vllligei  from  the  Obligation  they  <.eie  under  >e  him; 
but  oe  dicta^d  the  Chief  ind  Coiia<>l  lo  be  circful  wbco  Ihe  Coir. 
Btlince  WIS  dift hargeil,  thai  Sillerim  Rauie  bid  SiiitfaAioa  ibr  bit  Denttu),  We 
ince  hid  Rcafon  to  think,  from  ihe  enHiie  Condua  of  AlckmiErim  ttaoie,  that  we 
M  >t  l>fl  undei  Ihe  NectltiTy  of  fending  Collcjlott,  on  Account  of  ibe  Cowftnj, 
lit  CnUDTty,  If  the  only  Meant  of  fecurinf  the  hearj'  Anean  due  from  him. 

We  are  happy  to  acquiini  your  Hononii,  that  we  ban  the  moft  fanguiiie  Hop«  (4 
iring,  in  the  Couife  o^  a  Aon  Time,  a  great  Part  of  the  large  Btlancti  oulfianding 
E  Cli'cwole  Ciicir.  In  tffefling  ihii  deliraUe  Objia,  we  »nnat  fuBicicntly  com- 
ihe  Aflivltj  and  Tfigour  (hewn  by  Mr.  Tairei  Hrnry  Cifamijor,  ibe  prefrol  Chief 
iigipilaUi  and  hit  Oountil,  ever  ftoK  ibe  ReturH  of  Silteiain  Rauie  la  the  NorthT 
—  ■Their  Ariaiigpmtsli  have  been  judiciout,  they  hire  already  aftually  lealicMl  a 
letahle  Sum  of  Monty  on  Accoinl  of  tbe  CompiDyi  aiiid  tbeii  CoodaA  on  lh« 
:  hii  inrwtTtS  eor  wirmefl  ^ipeftiiioni. 
In  confcqi.erice  of  i  Pefhion  leceired  in  Joly  lilt  ffOD  Siltenm  ItMie,  we  weie 
ed  10  renii  Pfymcni  to  tbe  Viiinigrum  Family,  of  One  Quaitei  Yeai'i  Ttibuie  of 
piltte  piflrift,  anounting  to  Ropeei  *s,ooO,  in  conGdcTaiion  of  i)ie  Loflei  fulliined 
by  the  FoTi  of  Suitieniim  being  withheld  from  ibeic  M'fagcii  by 
i6th  June,  the  Family  of  Pyikeiow  in  177S,  which  much  itniieded  ifae  Culiioa- 
itb  Juty.  lion  of  tbe  Ccontiy.  We  likcwife  al  ibc  fanae  Time  aUowtd  a  De* 
duQion  of  Rupee)  Eo.Btl,  from  the  Rem  of  the  Chicarole  Matilk;, 
It  Sam  Bppeired  id  uI  Io  hive  betn  revived  from  the  Country  by  jaggHaavt  Rauce, 
lie  Renter,  before,  ^iienm  Rauie  look  Charge  of  ibofe  D'fliiflt. 
.  Yos  will  have  been  informed  from  tb*  Selefl  Committee,  of  a  Mtiliay  that  tiap< 
I  ai  Viiigipalan  among  jour  Scpoji,  on  their  beiogotdcRd  to  embark  on  boaid  Ship 
IB  Picfideacy. — During  Ibe  many  Eaccflti  ccmmhted  by  the  Mutineeii,  Cuua  Puttf 
lio  Dca,  who  wai  itepofed  from  the  Zemindiiy  of  Kimedy  for  MLfbchaviour  U  the 
t;T4,and  who  hit  £nce  reHded  at  Viiagipaiim,  on  ihefliledAllowiDCt,  waa  ef  fuch 
ud  Ihewed  To  mucli  AtlichmEOt  to  your  Servant)  Ihere,  whilft  they  were  ablbluiely 
nmineot  Oangtr  of  fufferiog  every  ^ubarity  wbiih  snieftr«Ded  VialctiM  «ight 
KQate,  that  it  induced  tbem  to  recommend  hii  being  tei-infiaitd 
ixSth  April,  in  hia  Zemiodiiy.  The  Comlu£l  of  bit  Biolber,  JaggaBMic  Decs 
who  wai  then  id  Charge  of  the  Kimmedy  Country,  bad  been  by  a« 
It  IJilieridaij,  Hii  Incapacity  bid  been  before  Tcrrclcnted  M  lu,  and  tba  centuiual 
Difpuiei  bttwecn  him  and  hit  Dewin  had  been  tbe  i/S/iaDt  of  in^ad' 
■  Sth  At>(,  ing  tbe  Colle^ons  of  Tribute  for  futb  a  Leaglfa  of  Time,  llut  tbi 
^  Arteart  due  to  the  Company  amounled  lo  To  large  a  Sum  it  ftupen 

[(S,  though  t!he  Annual  Jemabundy  is -only  Supect  tS,ooot  Uigad  I9  ikafi 
':i,  added  to  the  Confidcralinn  of  the  Youth  ot  Cuziyputty  Ntirain  Deo,  ■' 
Tunc  ll*    CDlDlDttUd    ttW    DficOW    «bi(il    bnvj(bl   biiQ    ■n^    ibt    Caatp»ny' 


A.  ijSu  DEBATES. 

Cant   13th  Oe.      Dirplcirsn,  n  yiiliM  M  the  Soltciiiridn]  ef  th*  CMtt  tn»  < 

iDd  rtftoTtJ  him  la  ihc  Zemindiif  Kime^y,  niBkini  >  futlabl 
;tilioa  lor  Jitgermiit  Dt».     Yeui  Cnwf  an^  Council  hive  fiHct  ajind  wiih  Go* 

Nairaifl  pee,  ibii  be  is  id  ply  Ihc  Campiny  (h;  lime  [vDiibi 
Conl*.  j9th-eN,     htnnifsn,  being   Rupr«<   S6,ccO)   md   the  Sum  of  Rupcci 

inauiKy,  ra«ir«:  the  Difob^r^  uf  tht  DcIh  fram.hU  Cornirr 
hlnireiniucUfitUl^edtoliKonan  AllU'iKe'^  1,100  RtifMe  pEr  Momb,  the. 
of  ihi  CulleaietK  froiti  bit  Staiadiry  iii  be  i^roptiiltcltD  (he  fnih«  Liqaid 
Iht  Air«ri  due  lo  the  Company.-. -In  rtiftLffing  the  Subjefliof  this  and  Ihefo 
PiiaBN^'hi  ai  the  p<el*nt  AdJieCt,  rntit  Dift'cmce  of  Opinion  seeutnd  atnODg  tb< 
btri  of  UsBiKil ;  AiT  ilic  Paniiulan  of  whichi  wt  btg  l.ti*e  to  refec  yog  to  that 

17  WeiCquaiDied  y«iir  Huneaii  in  oui  Leott  tt  Ibe  15th  Oaobtr,  that 
cwne  lo  ibc  Refblutien  af  itkiog  away  ihe  Co»!t9  fur  the  Fainii  of  Kagote  Cat 
and  iMe  *"*"  'tus  PiefidriKy,  fioDi  the  Runttn  >hB  then  held  themi  and  I 
hiapnbliflied  Advrtdremtntj  lur  te^ltitir^  :  At  wo  h lie  not  yet  finally  fettled  t 
fincii,  we  Ihall  defer  faying  uiwe  M  the  S'ib)<^e)  UDTil  another  Occalion  often  of 
ingjMi  Henouii,  wbcnot  hope  to  {iit  ygu  lb*  fulleft  SaUiraaiu),  frvU  ouf 
t»«n  '■*  JB'"  JntercHi  in  Ibii  loBaoee. 

We  are, 

fft  Saint  Gfviw,  Your  failhrol 

ftp  UuatTj  tj%t,  huibUe  Screaatl, 

.-  Chtrlei  Swirl 


Sam.  TnbDlba 
H.etar  Monro 
Al.«.  DavJdib 
M.  WiUuni. 


n.  of  il,  »nd  which  ifciibea  «ll  oar  |r«i 
fertunci  (o  the  MatMIi  Wat. 

That  that  Meafure  may  Stfl  have  f iven  Biith  tn  thi  Iiiea  of  1  ganenl  ConUi 
tbcfntmof  Hhi^AM  agiinftn*,  I  *ilt  irot  endeaiour  to  difpion  1  Sut  1 
ilone  we  owe  thi  foMnitaltle  IncnrriOB  of  Hydtf  Ally  into  ihe  Caniiiie,  I  cannc 
Fiilt,  beeanfe  lopg  after  we  bad  commenced  Hoftiliciea  ata>nA  the  Marattai,  Hv 
felf  continued  to-  mal^e  Conquefta  upon  tbeih,  and  which  our  Opentiont  no  E 
cililaied.  H  wis  hit  faooorite  Objea,  and  which  I  am  confideni  he  would  ne 
quilted,  br  fcught  for  ■  Union  with  the  Mantt*!  againft  ui.  bad  li'>t  our  Ne| 
Nviih  Baialet  Jvng,  about  the  dantoor  Ciicar  (unl  which  ht  bid  aUs  Vicm), 
Mole  la  iltliA  Ibey  wen  caniM  an,  awakened  hit  Jealoafy,  and  icrj  naCiin 

&appieheBd,  that  out  uhimaie  Imenliona  wet*  to  polfeii  oyrlclm  of  fino 
OnDl(<r..~^Whillt  it  mfuwcdhie  Porpofe  co  make  Peace  wiib  the  M« 
w4Cr  tk*[  bh  AKtnthin  or  Sirengih  migbt  >n  no  Sbape  be  dinrtcd  from  ftv 
MtiiiVr  ifi  Dm  5«turi^  ij  hicotvnTtmtoiiet,  it  waieotiicly  fuiuble  lotbc 

P  A  R  1  I  A  M  E  N  T  A  R  Y  A.  lySi. 

itn  Situitioo,  ■■  ii  enibled  then  to  iliicft  iheii  whole  Force  igiinft  Ihe  Ope- 
oui  Arm}  anitr  Bri^adlrr  CcnFul  Guddird,  We  iJumiil  his  Fciti  for  the 
hi)  own  Couniir  i  ciolTat  hi>  Vims  upon  the  Gunioor  Circir,  which  he  wti 
■  obiilning  in  Fuim  from  Biiilit  Junj.  Thjt  mn  iblc  Agtnt  mifhi  noi  be 
»  famcni  thefe  Offincri,  we  delibtciiely  (ivc  Umbiifc  to  the  Nibob  Niiam  ; 
!ekinE  ind  afluitly  fublciibmt  to  i  Tiecy  of  Friendlhip  witn  hit  Broihcr  ind 
lulet  Jung,  wiihoDT  slicing  hii  Cunlcnc  or  ApprabiiiaD )  and  nut,  by  rie- 
>r  him  1  KemiBion  of  the  PtlcoBi,  or  Tribucc,  which  for  Chefe  Eloen  Yean 
rdi  HE  hue  piLil  him,  is  in  Treaty  bonnd,  on  Accounl  ef  the  Notchtrn  Cii- 

prciCDi  my  Ud  ConlecuFncrt  atirui  fron  the  DeJaj  U  the  Payment  of  ibe 
irhich  wu  owing  ia  (lie  fitft  PI  ice  to  a  leraparary  Inability,  created  by  the 
'int  Eiyentei,  which  were  unavoidibly  incurred  by  the  Slrgc  af  Pandrcbetiy ; 
t  aixl  f  lice  peihipi  by  MidnanigcmenI  i  I  w*i  ioduced,  when  I  (lopped  hen 
'ay  10  Bengil,  to  recDRimrnd  the  MifliuR  of  Mr.  HolLond,  as  AmbilTadoi  to 
I'l  Couti,  CO  alTuce  him,  that  the  Fcfculh  Ifaould  be  paid,  and  to  eiplain  (o 
■toCe  of  ill  Detention. 

tim  has  in  hi<  Letteri  to  tbi<  Coretnmrnt,  and  in  hil  Connrrationt  xthtt,  Mr. 
who  communiciled  them  lo  the  Coternor-  General  and  Council,  ivnwed  hii 
«,  on  Accouncof  ourBctLiviouc  with  regard  to  the  PefcuA  and  the  Guoioor 
ind  bai,  without  Scruple,  acknowledged  hit  hiving  br  ihefe  Reafona  cncou- 
conniTcd  at  a  Cambiaiiion  of  the  Powers  iplnR  ui. 

ill  ihcfc  Circuinftancei  before  cite,  arid  which  the  Record*  both  here  ind  in 
ar  Teflimony  i  and  foiiber,  hnawing  i.  as  a  Thing  certai.,  that  at  thp  T«ty 

Treaty  wia  carrying  on  with  Baialet  Jung,  Hyder  would  have  entered  into  an 
and  defeaCve  Alliance  with  oi;  I  wouIJ  do  an  Injury  to  Diyrdf,  and  ■  Kill 
e  to  our  Superiors,  who  are  to  pifi  their  Jadgmeol  on  Men  and  Uearurea  by 

to  that  Part  of  ibe  General  Letier  tu  the  Court  of  Diredori,  which  I  have 
upreJ  agiinS  ;  and  nn:  lUo  elucidite  the  oilier  Caufes,  befidei  Ibe  MiraiM 
ich  hare  iflifled  to  haHcn  out  pielen^  DiArelTeg. 
ft  Ihat  ihii  may  go  a  Number  in  the  Picket  now  under  Djfpatch. 

(Signed)  Eyre  Cooto, 

No.  1 6. 


Durable  Slrl, 

THE  Difpalch  of  tde  Shipi  tww  nnder  Tailing  Ordett,  affording  M  an  Op- 
portunity of  iddrelTing  you  fi-om  Ihii  Department,  and  of  tranfmiitiog  ta 
nncQed  Kartati™  of  our  Proceedingi  in  it  Bnce  the  Date  of  our  Ad>icrt  by 
ow,  we  .»ail  oiirfelni  of  it  for  thit  Purpofe  ;  and  at  ihe  fame  Time  fend  yej 
B  Copy  of  out  CoorullatioEi  fines  the  «4th  Ffbrgary  laft,  togclhcf  with  a  Dor 

A.  ijto. 

D    B    B    A    T    fi    S. 


plicate  Tranfcript  of  the  broken  Set  of  them,  which  was  forwarded  by  thst  Packet* 
We  have  alfo'the  Hooour  to  tranfmit  to  ^011,  Triplicate  of  our  Letter  by  the  fame  Ytttkip 
and  of  thofe  fince  addrefled  to  you  by  the  Tryal  Schooner,  under  Date  the  15th  and  I7tfa 
ef 'laft  Month.  We  take  the  fame  Opportunity  of  acknowledging  th«  I^ecetpt  of  ya«r 
Advices  of  the  24th  February  and  2d^fh  of  March. 

%,  You  were  duly-  informed,  in  our  Addrefs  by  the  Swallow,  ei  the  Recal  of  Mr* 
HoUond  from  the  Court  of  bis  Highnefs  the  Nabob  Nisam  Ally  iCbao,  by  the  Frefident 
and  Sele£l  Committee  at  Fort  Saint  George;  of  the  Reafons  which  induced  o»to  wiAi 
for  his  Continuance  there ;  and  of  the  Application  which  we  made  to  the  Prefident  and 
Select:  Committee,  for  th«ir  Permiflion  to  kim  to  remain  at  Hydrabad^  as  the  Public 

Minifter  ot  this  Government.      This  Application  was  refufcd,  an4 
Conf.  J  5th  May.     Mr.  Hollond  was  directed,  in  peremptory  Terms,  to  obey  the  Orders 

of  Recal  before  fent  him.  Thefe  Orders  were  as  uoreafoiiable  at 
they  appeared  to  us  ill-grounded.  They  proclaimed  to  all  India  a  Difwiioo  and  Separa* 
tion  of  intereAs  between  the  Two  Prefidencies  j  and,  ia  particular,  affe^ed  the  AiTii* 
ranees  which  we  had  given  to  the  Nabob  Nicam  Ally.  We  were,  however,  obliged^ 
though  very  relv^antly,  to  aequiefce  ;  and  Mr.  Hollond  was  left  at  Liberty  to  confomt 
%o  them.  He  was  dirc^ly  fubjeA  to  .the  Authoiity  of  your  Servants  at  Fort  SaiM 
George,  and  it  was  not  in  our  Power  to  indemnify  him  from  the  probable  Oonfequencet 
ef  Difobedience  to  it.  But  the  Reftraint  upon  our  Wiflves  to  be  availed  of  the  Services 
of  Mr.  Hollond  at  Hydrabad,  did  not  continue  long  j  for  the  fame  Temper  with  whicb 
he  had  for  fome  Time  before  been  treated  by  his  immediate  Superiors,  inducing  them  to 
fufpend  him  from  your  Service,  we  were  enabled  to  confirm  our  Appointment  of  him  | 
and  did  accordingly  appoint  him  to  be  Refident,  on  the  Part  of  this  Government  oniy^ 
at  the  Nizam's  Court.  The  high  Opinion  which  we  entertain  of  Mr.  Holloiid*s  Merits^ 
our  Senfe  of  his  Services,  believing  him,  as  we  do,  to  have  J>een  the  Means  of  prevent* 
ilig  a  Breach  of  the  Alliance  fubfi0ing  between  the  Company  and  the  Nabob  Nizam 
Ally  Khan,  at  a  Moment  when  the  Company's  Affairs  were  very  critically  fituated,  and 
It  became  of  tjie  utmoft  Importance  to  fecure  even  the  Neutrality  of  the  Nizam  j  the 
Obligations,  moreover,  under  which  we  deem  ourfelves  to  indemnify  Mr.  Hollond,  by 
every  Means  in  our  Power,  from  the  £flFe£ls  which  he  has  unjuftly  fuftained.of  the  Re- 
fentment  of  bi«  Superiors  at  Madras,  for  his  Obedience  to  Inftru£tioos  tranfmitted  te 
him  by  us,  in  confequence  of  thofe  which  he  had  received  from  them^  dnd  which  were 
notified  to  OS  by  them,  call  upon  us  to  recommend  him  ftrongly  to  you;  and  in^doiof; 
fo,  we  make  it  our  Requeft  that  you  reftore  him  to  the  Service,  and  to*  his  Standing  oa 
the  Madras  Eftsblifhment,  or  that  he  be  transferred,  with  his  Rank,  to  this* 

3.  Mr.'HoUond  being  placed  under  ovtr  immediate  Authority  at  Hydrabad,  our  Eii* 
deavours  have  been  flrenuoufly  exerted  to  (ecure  the  Friendibip  of  the  Nabob  Nizam 
Ally  Khan,  or  to' prevent  him  at  leaft  from  taking  Part  againli  «s  ;  but  it  has  oof 
been  without  great  Difficulty,  that  thefe  Endeavours  have  hitherto  been  exerted  with  A 
good  Effe£l.  That  Power  in  the  Englifh  Governments  which  was  fettled  in  his  Nieigh- 
bourhoody  and  with  whom  of  courfe  his  Correfpendence  had  always  been  principailjr 
hefd,  had  made  Demands  on  him,  which  in  his  Conception  of  tbem  were  derogatory 
from  the  Faith  of  the  Treaty  fuhfifting  with  him  j  and  had  committed  one  Ad,  which 
was  a  dtre£^  and  midoubted  Violation  of  it ;  and  the  general  TeiK>r  of  their  Conduft 
had  made  him  diflruflful  of  their  Intentions  to  preferve  the  Peacs  with  him.  Such  indeed 
was  his  Convi^ion  of  their  unfriendly  Difpofition  towards  him,  that  he  found  it  neceiTary 
to  be  prepared  for  HoAilities ;  or  fuch  was  his  Refentment  of  their  ConduA,  that  he  wa» 
determined  to  ufe  the  moft  likely  Means  within  his  Compais,  of  crufhing  their  Ability 
to  do  him  farther  Mifchief  j  and  under  the  flrong  Influence  of  thofe  Impreffiona,  it  i« 
a  well-known  and  undenied  Fa6l,  that  he  had  not  only  combined  with  the  prineipak 
Powers  of  Hiodoflan  againft  the  Company,  but  was  the  chief  Promoter  of  the  Alli«* 
ance«     For  the  Particulars  of  this  Hiftory,  we  beg  Leave  to  refer  you  to  a  Minute^ 

which  has  been  delivered  by  the  Governor- General,  and'  is  entered  ia 
Cojif.  4-th  Sept.      the  Confultationj  noted  in  the  Margin,  as  well  as  to  a  Letter  fromi 

Mr.  Hollond  \o  the  Governor  General,  forwarded  by  the  Tryal 
packet  I  in  which  the  Nabob^s  Avowal  is  declared,  of  bis  being  the  Author  of  the  Conw 
federacy  agatnft  us,  and  his  Juftification  of  it,  on  the  Plea  of  Selfodefeoce,  agaioft  the 
fuppufted  Intention  of  the  Prefidency  of  Fort  St.  George  to  break  with  him. 

4.  To  obviate  a  Prejudice  fo  rooted,  and  the  EffeA  of  an  Engagement  fo  promifing  of 
Succefs  as.  that  in  which  the  Nizam  is  combined,  wo^uld  <^  itfelf  have  been  no  eafy 
Talk  I  hot  thcDiffiouky  has  been  fo  much  au|ipeQted,  as  to  have  been  nearly  i^vm* 




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flkle*  firom  thf  UnwiUingneff  ^  the  Pr«fidency  of  Mad-ai  to  «fe  iIm  Ooly  Mea^s  of 
yecoociling  hin  Co  ut,  tnrd  their  intttcotion  t»  tk^  ^«ivtce  «ji4  Orders  which  we  ftot 
thna  far  ifats  P»rpofe,  h  was  the  BtfUf  of  tha  Nabob  Niiam.  Ally,  that  wa  wera  a«« 
tuaily  Tofta^  wltti  tha  CanuQul,  which  w«  declared  ourfelves  to  pofleif ;  but  ba  <liftfaft« 
ad  the  EBTeA  of  that  Contrcul,  fioce  the  Ordeit  which  we  had  repeatedly  givatt  and  d^ 
jrlftted  to  him,  for  the  AaAitution  of  the  Circar  ot  Gontoor,  had  »oi  only  been  dtire- 
prded,  bnt  Mr.  HelUnd,  who  had  bcea  the  iBftrumant  tff  the  KagocUcion,  had  baea 
pauMih«d  by  them  far  th«  Han  which  he  had  taken  in  it* 

5,  We  refer  yoa  to  our  Letter  to  Fort  Saiot  George,  of  thf  lath  J«ae^  fo9  tht  Aff« 
iai^e«ieat  on  which  we  had  vefolvrd  to  give  the  Soobah  Satiifa[£lio9»  aod  o#  which  kt 
««e  iiiimediateU  informed.  The  Prefidentaad  Sele^  Coinmittaf,  ioftead  of  withdraw- 
lag  th^ir  Forces,  Cdlie^ora,  and  Agaata»  from  the  Circar  of  GuatQor,  agreeable  to  out 
Ke4|uilitioD,  raftoring  it  to  the  PotfeflloA  of  Bazalci  Jmsg»  and  repUcing  every  Thing  in 
the  State  in  whtah  it  ftood  before  they  ejiterod  into  any  Negociati^ii  with  htm,  did  in 

I    ii,  aaoae  InHaace  comply  wiih  Q«r  Ordera,  nor  appear  to  Jiavatakeo  the  leaft  Notka  of 

j    !  |hcm  till  the  ad  of  Sepiannbtr  ;  when  they  informed  ua,  that  they  were  wilUng  to  aom>i 

|ily  with  our  Jle<|ui6tiea  of  theoa,  to  deliver  b4€fc  fo  Baaalet  Jung  ihe  Quntoor  Circar  | 
hut  that  the  Circar  having  been  farooad  to  the  Nabob  of  the  Carnatic^  hia'CIatpt  oo  Uf 
•a  Ranter,  mvtft  be  Aril  reUaqoiflied  ^  and  that  they  had  written  to  hima  eirprafiing  tbeit 
Hope  that  ha  would  give, it  up,  and  that  they  would  inform  na  of  hie  An(wer  aaftwi 
i»  thay  receive  it« 
{,,  6,  We  have  recited  the  great  Difficultiet  which  appofed  our  Accowfpodatioa  with  the 

I !{  .  )3i«an),  of  which  we  had  much  Reaiba  to  complain^  fo  much,  that  it  became  an  Oh-^ 

I   >  jcO  of  Neceffiry  to  remove  them.    The  controvling  Power,  with  which  we  are  vetted  hy 

nn  A^  of  the  Eritiih  Legiflature,  had  beea,  in  repeated  Inftances,  ueated  by  the  C$nn 

i  m'  'tiemen  at  Foc^  Saint  George  with  Slight  and  DifrefpeA;  but  in  the  pvefeot  Inftancf^ 

they  thoBght  proper  to  take  more  upon  thtm  s  They  defeated  onr  A^s  by  their  Refafal 
to  cqnfoim  to  them.,  and  comply  with  our  Orders,  where  we  h'd  efpecial  Right  t^ 
Ihem.     The  Faith  oJk  this  Government  had  been  pledged  to  the  Nabob  Niaam  Ally 
"'•  / 1     |;  Kh90i  for  the  Relation  of  the  Guntoiar  Circar  to  Ea7.atet  Jvng}  they  werefo  ia<* 

I  l^cflr.a^,  and  required  to  rcAoreit.    They  did  ootreftore  it.t>-^Wa  had  naaltaroatifv, 

hvt  by  a  tame  Acquiefcaoce  to  facrifioe  the  Truft  repofed  in  us,  aad  fuffer  your  Intareftg 
tff  be  iavolvad  in  a  War  by  a  Breach  of  Public  Faith,  or  to  maiiHain  both  by  an  A|^ 
^icaliAa  of  (he  Powers  which  had  been  given- ua  for  fnch  a  Porpofa^  Upoa  th^ 
Oronnda  we  refolved,  on  the  loth  ultimo^  to  give  Effafl  to  our  Coiamanda^  aad  det^r* 
mined  to  eaart  the  Authority  with  which  we  watc  ToAad»  in  fiifpaading  Mr.  WhilabMU 
the  Pvofideat  of  Fort  Saint  George,  from  the  CompsnyU  Service.  Our  Hcaluis  for 
Ihii  Meafore  aie  particularly  ftated  in  onr  Letter  lo  thf  Pre6dent  and  Select  ComaMtte« 
•t  Furt  Saiot  George,  oi  the  loth  ultiaso,  which  gOM  «  Nnaiber  in  the  Packets  aQ4 
%p  whkh  wc  heg  Leave  to  refer  yon  for  them  :  And  at  the  fame  Tine  that  we  are  led  ta» 
hopt>  that  the  heft  EiSsda  may  be  derived  from  Up  in  eftabli/hiag  fnt  the  Cnaipiiay  tb« 
VentraHty  or  FriesdAip  of  the  Nabob  Niaam  AUy  Khan,  dnrtog  the  prefttnt  Tra^bles, 
aiod  in  iaving  our  Authority  in  hn  SfHrnation,  and  that  of  the  nthar  Country  Powert, 
^ae  are  under  na  Fear  that  the  Couuciis  of  your  Piefidency  of  Fort  Saint  George  will  hn 
]e&  ably  or  futcefsfolly  ccuiduflcd  hereafter,  than  thay  have  been  dwing  tho  P^i^^l  kg 
which  Mr.  Wbitehill  direded  then. 

7.  You  wiU  obferve,  by^  our  CoafiiUationi  of  the  tph  alttmo,  that  w«  weaf  th«a  i«« 
feraoed,  by  a  Itetter  from  the  President  aad  $/th&  Committee  of  Fort  SaUt  GoatfSi  dat«4 
f|i  the  a  3d  September,  of  the  Meafures  which  tb«y  had  at  length  been  pkafad  to  adofl^  f^V 

ijc!  giving  E^feft  to  our  Requiiitiont  of  the  tsth  of  Juno,  by  immediate  Qrdma  to  i!hair  Qfli-i 

far  commanding  in  the  Guatoar  Circar,  to  ddivei*  over  that  Couatfy  |o  Snaahit  Jt»«S*« 
Agent ;  and  by  procuring  an  Order  alfo  from  the  Nabob  to  hk  AuniMar»  to  lalkiqolfll 
«ti  Concern  in  the  Maaagoment  of  the  Rev(Mi»e«i 

S.  Onr  Letter  by  the  Tryal  Packet  will  have  acqnatntcd  yao  with  the  Calamity  which 
had  befallen  a  large  Dclachiiient  of  your  Taoopa,  commanded  by  {.ieutanaJit  G9Ws«l# 
Raillte  and  Fletcher,  in  the  Casnatk,  and  of  the  coafaqucnt  Retreat  of  Major  General 
Monro,  with  the  main' Army,  to  Chiagkpot.  Tho  iaaw  Letters  will  saftinn  yov  o# 
^e  Rxertioa*  we  have  made  for  the  Relief  of  year  Afairt  on  the  Qttady  in  dilfNIlfif^ 
with  the  Services  of  Lieutenant  Genera  1  Sir  £yre  Ceote  at  this  SettkmtaAy  Wbew  llMgi 
wcte  vary  necclTafy,  for  the  kke  of  affordaog  the  Aid  of  them  tq  the  Pvafidcncy  «f  l^tt 
lUint  George  j  in  detaching  to  it  a  coafiderable  Fosft  of  Kurapeaa  lafaotay  s«d  ArtU* 
lary ;  in  lemittrng  for  iu  Ufe|  a  iarga  Supply  of  Ticaiun,  aiammting  to  tht  S^Mft  of 
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T\UBtnht^%t<if't.^peeBi  tpA  in  providing- it witH  a  ptiiit  Stofe  dfOita.  '^.g'h^^n: 
not  been  thus  libei^t  in  o^r  S^ftvices  to  tK^  ^icfidfclicjr  of  Aladif^s'^  witbout  fdtafe'  Acfn^* 
veniedcies  to  our  Govfrntneot ;  l>«t  our  Efforts  being  mM  unJet  t£e  <ioiivi^ibri  of 
rheir  being  oecefTafy  to  the  Pre^rVltion  Of  the  Company*!  Af&ira  oriier  thaTPVefidency  i 
and  to  the  Rtftrtevarof  Ui«<ki  fl-oitl  the  fad'  Efi'e€k  of  tl^e  Misfortune  wliicK  they  l^ad  fuL-' 
tatned^  they  have  been  exerted  with  the  JiH!  Degree' of  (^«er'fuToefs;  a'nd  Mrlll  becontl-: 
nucd  with  the  fame*  while  our  Affiftance  can  be  given  without  certain  Dangler' to  ydu^ 
Aiperior  Inteieft  in  BehgaK  •      ; 

9.  It  hai  been  ftVongty  reramitfeiid^d  by  ut  to  Rear  AdAniral  Sir  Edward  Kughei/  to 
aflift  in  diftreffing  Hyder  A)ly»  bv  the  Defti uQion  of  hii  Ships  and  Forts  on  the  Cottif 
of  Malabar,  during  the  Admiral  s  Voyage  t6  Bombay  |  and  we  doubt  sot  but  the  Ufe  of 
this  Me^fore  will  appear  to  him  in  the  fame  Light  as  it  appears  to  us« 

10.  We  have  the  Pleafure  to  inform.  you»  that  we  have  received  Advice  from  S  «  Eyr^' 
Coote,  under  Date  the  6ch  Inftant,  of  his  ArrWsl  at  Fort  Saint  George,  on  the  preced* 
ing  Day«  which. is  exiiSly  One  Month' ahd  Thirteen  Dayj  from  the  {Receipt  of  the  Ad* 
Tices  which  firft  informed  us  of  the  DiftreiTes  of  that  Preftoencyj  that  all  the  VtffkU' 
with  the  Troops  and  Stores  were  alfo  fafely  arrived,  and  the  Troops  and  Treafure'fafely 
landed.  A  Copy  of  his  Letter  to  us,  goes  a  Number  in  the  Packer. -i-— .We  much  fear- 
that  the  Account  which  it  contains^  of  the  Lofs  of  Arcot,  though  not  deemed  certain,  ia* 
too  true  J  but  we  truft,  that  the  Prefence  and  good  Cendud  of  Sir  Eyre  Coofte  will  fooa 
change  the  Ftce  of  your  AfTairt  in  tha  Country.  * 

11.  In  further  Aid  of  the  Operations  of  the  Company's  Troops  on 'the  Cobft,  and  on 
the  Advice  and  Recommendation  of  the  Commander  in  Chief,  before  his  Dej>arture' 
from  Bengal,  we  tefolved,  on  the  26th  ultimo,  to  detach  over-land  towards  Madras,  a 
Conrpany  of  European  Artillery,  and  a  Body  of  Six  Battalions  of  Sepoys,  with  their^ 
Gens,  chiefly  intended  Ibr  the  Defence  of  the  Circars  }  but  general!/ for  foch  Ottter' Ser- 
vices as  inay  be  required  of  them.  The  Command  of  this  Detachment  is. veiled  in  Licu^ 
tenant  Colonel  Pearfei  Major  Edmundfon  is  appointed  Second  in  Command,  and  we  have 

allowed' for  it  the  EftabliOtment  noted  in  the  Margin.    We  have  it| 
Conf.  15th  Hovt     in  Contemplation,  to  fupply  the  Lofs  of  this  Force  to  the  Defence 

of  OUT  own  Provinces,  by  new  Levies,  but  our  Refolotion  haanot^ 
yet  been  taken  on  the  beft  and  leaft  expenfive  Mode  of  carrying  our  Intehtlont  in  thif 
Refped  imto  Execution.  The  Orders  of  March  for'  the  T'oops  going  towards  Madrif^' 
bVmg  to  depeifd  on  the  Hopes  given  us,  that  the  Maratu  Army  now  lying  at  Quttack,^ 
wUl  either  join  us,  or  return  to  Berar;  we  are  anxtoufly  waiting,  before' we  pals  thd 
Order,  for  Advices  from  the  Government  o£^  Berar,  in  Anfwer  to  the  Letters  whicl^ 
were  written  to  them  by  -the  Governor  General,  in  confequence  of  our  Rerolutk>n«  of 
thes€th  September,  refpeding  a  propofed  Treaty  with  the  Maratta  State.  Thefe  Refo» 
Ibtions  iliall  be  more  folly  noticed '  hereafter ;  but  we  here  think  U  neceiTary  to  obfervci, 
upon  the  general  Condad  of  the  Rajah  of  Berar  towardi  this  Uovernmeot,  upon  the 
ftrOn;  Profeilions  of  ^riendihip  which  he  has  made  to  it,  and  upon  the  Declarations  of 
his  Vakeel,  ^at  even  though  his  Troops  ihoold  not  have  quitted  Cuttack  when  our 
Ft>rce8^reached  it  on  tberr  Way  t6  the  Circars,  our  Opinion  is,  that  they  will  offer  them 
no  Hindrance  or  Moleftadon.-— — You  will  obferve,  by  our  Proiieedings  of  the  sotli  July^ 
that  we  refcdved  to  detach  a  BsttaJlon  of  Sepoys  to  the  Bihks  ofjht  Soubenreka,  fw 
the -Purpolk  of  fecuring  the  Boats  on  thit  Riyer.  fhquld  the  Troops  of  the  ^ajah  oc 
Berir  attempt  to  crofs  it ;  and  to  watch  their  Motions.  This  wal  '^  Meafuie  of  Prccau* 
tion,  not  of  Neceifity.  ■       \ 

TX.  Our  Knowledge  of  this  Country  liai  informed  uf'too  well  of  the  Arts  and  Po^ 
17cy  uibally  observed  in  the  Indian  Courts,  to  permit,  us  to  place  an  implicit  Faith  or 
Reliance  on-the  mere  ProfeflSons  and  ofientatious  DifplSiy  of  Friendfliip  which  ve  iq% 
recenre  from  ahy  of  them ;  and  we  muft  confefs,  that,  if  our  Belief  of  the  friendly  In* 
tentionsqf  the  Rajah  of  Berar  towardathe  Tnter;:fts  of  the  Company,  had  no  other 
Grounds  thaii  his  Profeflions  of  them,  ftrong  as  thefe  ifavebeeil  (and  they  are  the 
'ftrongtift*  t^at  were  ever  penned  by  an  Indian  Pdwer),  it  would  be  Ibut  weakly  founded 
OorliiRprefnoti-of  the  Truth  of  them  is  received  from  a  Knowledge  of  his  real  Inte» 
rtiBA ;  and  theProofs  that  he  has  hltterto  afforded  us,  tha|  we  baye  not  been  miftakeQ 
in  our  Opinion  of  his  Sincerity.— From  the  Aril  Intimation  that  he  received  of  our  In^ 
tMtioAs  to-^t^'eV  a  Body  of  Troops,  under  the  Command  of  Colonel  Leflie,  to  the  Weft 
of 'India,  to  the  prefent  Time,  he  has  given  us  the  mofl  powerful  Reafons  to  fuppofe 
htm  a  Friend  of  the  Company;  and  thougfaL  by  his  AlHance,  in  which  he  is  engaged 
«itK  thtt  MAratta  StMe'  againft  us,  bo  sifgAr  oe  deemed'' an  J^neipyj  4vi  are  not  per- 

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fbadod  that  thn  !•  a  clear  Praof  of  hit  betag  To ;  for  we  belicfe,  that  the  Pait  which 
he  hat  been  faid  to  talce  in  Union  with  that  State,  wat  a  Part  taken  by  Neceffity^  not 
by  Choice ;  that  he  wat  forced  into  it,  on  Coofideration  of  the  Safety  of  bis  own  Go- 
vernment }  and  that,  if  a  favourable  Oppofmnity  (hculd  prefent  itfelf,  whereat  be  could 
Aew  bimfeU  the  Friend  of  the  Company  with  Security  to  his  own  Country,  he  would 
abandon  an  Alliance  into  which  he  entered  againft  his  WU)»  and  aft  as  his  true  Intereft 
ted  him.  '       ^ 

13.  We  wifli  to  draw  your  Attention  to  the  following  TzSia,  as  the  Grounds  of  the 
Opinion  which  we  have  forroed,  that  the .  declared  Friendibip  of  the  Maha  R^a  Moo* 
^a^ee  Bcofla  for  the  Company,  is  not  inHocerc* 

14.  On  the  iirft  Formation  of  the  Detachment  o(  your  Troops,  placed  under  the  Com- 
nand  of  Colonel  Leflie,  an  Applicauon  was  made  to  the  Rajah  of  Berar,  to  permit  it  to 
paft  through  a  Part  of  his  Dominions;  he  cheerfully  complied,  and  not  only  wro^e  to 
Colonel  Leflie,  ofTering  him  a. free  PafTi'^e  through  bis  Country,  and  the  Means  of  Sub* 
ii(lence,  but  caufecl  a  large  Store  of  Grain  to  be  provided  on  h  s  Borders,  where  it  lay 
fome  Months  waiting  for  bis  Arrival ;  and  <)uring  the  Con'i nuance  of  Colonel  Goddaidf 
who  then  commanded  the  Detachment  of  HoOiingabad,  he  was  received  and  treated  witn 
the  greateft  Hofpital  ty.— -Upon  a  Viflt  paid  by  the  Ri^jah^s  Dswan,  Dewagur  Pundit,  to 
Poonah,  a  Coofcderacy'was  formed  by  the  Maratta  Miuiller,  NanaFurnufe,  Madajee,  Ma« 
d^iee  Scindia,  and  Hyder  Ally,  againtl  the  Company  ;  and  in  this  Confederacy  the  Berar 
Government  was  required  to  taJee  a  Part,  and  to  furniih  thei^  Quota  of  Troops  for  the  com- 
mon Caofe  I  the  Requifiticn  was  accompanied  with  Threats  of  Invafion  of  their  Country 
In  the  Event  of  Refufal ;  'and  the  Rajah  having  at  that  Time  difbandeJ  his  Army,  and 
being  therefore  unprepared  to  afTert  his  own  Rights  and  Independency,   was  obliged  to 

enter  i^to  the  general  Confederacy,  claiming,  at  the  fame  Tin»e,  the 
Cenf.  4th  Sept,      Privilege  of  Mediation.     We  are  informed  by  the  Governor  General^ 

that  the  FirA  Jntelli^ence  which  he  received  of  the  Confederacy,  waa 
from'tbe  MiniAer  De^ergur  Pundit  himfelf;  and  believing  the  Fad  to  be  fo,  we  can« 
not  fuppofe  that  fuch  important  Commonicationt  would  have  been  fo  readily  imparted  to 
lis  by  Durwargur  Pundit,  if  the  Berar  Government  had  been  as  hoftile  to  us  in  Reality,  at 
Motives  of  Security  to  tbemfelves  compeMed  them  to  appear.     The  Part  afligned  in  the 
Confederacy  to  the  Rajah,  was  to  fend  an  Army,  during  the  Courfe  of  the  left  Seafon,  to 
fay  waite  the  Provinces  of  Bengal.    With  this  Requlfition  he  certainly  complied  ;  but, 
at  the  fame  Time,  he  informed  us,  that  he  Oiould  ufe  fuch  Meant  of  Delay  as  fiiould 
prevent  the  Army  from  approaching  our  Borders,  until  the  Ciofe  of  the  fair  Seafon,  when 
It  could  not  enter  upon  immediate  Adlion ;  that  in  the  Interim,  be  ihould  j^  able  by  the 
next  Seafon,  to  raife  fuch  an  Army  as  would  eflPef^ually  eftabiiih  his  own  Independence,  and 
qualify  him  to  z(\  accoiding  to  the  Dilates  of  his  own  Judgment.     Tbefe  Declarationa 
have  hitherto  been  literally  verified  j  for  we  have  feen  a  large  Body  of  his  Troops,  wbidi 
be. had  detached  in  Compliance  to  the  Reqoifitioo  made  of  him  at  Poonah,  fpin  out 
a  March  to  Seven  Months,  which  might  with  Eafa  have  been  tccompliflied  in  Two,  and 
arrive  at  the  Place  of  their  Deftination  at  the  Commencement  of  the  Rains.    We  have 
alfo  feen,  that,  fince  their  Arrival  at  Cuttac,  inftead  of  Committing  Hoftility  and  PiUuib* 
ance,  they  hafre  continued  'as  quirt  as  if  cantoned  at  their  own  Capital. 
*    15.  Thefc  Circum (lances/ added  to  the  ftrong  Profe^ont  made  to  us,  which  we  have 
«ot  found  falfifi<rd  in  any  Inflance,  and  to  the  Confideration  of  hit/eal  Intereft,  wlsich^ 
in  bur  Judgment  of  if,  attaches  him  to  the  Company,  rather  than  to  any  of  the  Powera 
Vith  whom  he  is  obrged  to  vvear  the  Maik  of  Amity  and  Confederacy  againil  them,  usileijl 
we  ft  o  Jld  in  gr neral  admit,  what  we  arc  very  unwilling  to  admit,  that  the  power  which  the 
Company  poilJ-fs  in  Hin'pftan,  is  fo  cxtenfive  and  obnoxious  to  the  whole  Empire«  at  to 
in  sice  it  th"  Intercft  of  all  its.  province*,  to  unite  with  one  another  in  overthrowinf  it. 
Theft  R  4fon3,  we  repeat,  jnduce  us  to  btlieve  that  the  Rajah  of  Berar  is  well  ditpoA^ 
to*ar<*^  the  Company  ;  and  that  if  the  War  wjih  the  Macattas  ihould  coniiaoc,  iia 
will  remain  neutral  5  or  tbar^  flhould  he  be  compelled  to  take  an  a^ive  Part  in  it,  it  will 
not  Vc  agairift  us.---Thc  Belief  of  his  Atti^chmrnt  to  your  Intereft,  and  the  doofidence 
which  we  placed  '^  it,  have  induced  us  to  attend  to  the  Requeft  made  to  ut  for  fupplying 
his'/^rmy  wi;^!   fuch '  Provifions  as  they  wanted  at  Cuttac,   where  it.mighthave  been 
g»^at!y  Hii^rrtTtd  without  fuch  AfllftAnce. 

16.  We  have  bten  particular  irt  acquainting  you  with  our  SentimeiVts  regarding  the 
R^jah  of  B-rar,  brcauf?,  from  Sofpicions  of  hij  Intentions,  grounded  on  the  Sitoatiott 
of  his  Troops,  fj  near  our  Borders,  you  might  be  inclined  to  apprehend  that  thcfe  Pro- 
vinces were  in  Danger  of  an  lo/afion  from  them  j  and  becaufe  we  dcilieto  be  jaftiiied  m 

'....*  Ute 

a:  lySj;  DEBATES,  9 

*  laic  Occalicin,  whtch  we  hive  uitn  to  Ihtw  out  Coalijence  in  tbe  Tliitt  Oorerntneni 

and  in  aiid  tn  iit  1.,ipuit(iic<  in  iht  Opiniiui  of  ihe  niher  Cuuatr;>  PaHfrl,  by  the  Cboi. 

V>hich  we  hate  miitt  oF  it  .m  be  the  Gmriniee  liir  the  b-lhfui  ObfeiTiDK  of  ■  Ftopai; 

Tieaiy.  wiib  the  Mititia  Stale.      Of  tbii  Tieit;  foo  have  alieai 

CaBf^  i6ih  and         been  infnnied  by  out  AdiiccG  of  the  loih  ultioici,  asd.  it  appean  i 

S7ih  Sept.     tbe  Procetdipgi  aoud  in  the  tAitfio.    We  TrUlI  itiil  you  oil!  inrs 

the  Terms  of  itt — the]t  wen  the  belt  tbit  we  cuuld  offer  in  IbcS'ti 

■tIanoF  Afr4ii)  >t  ihai  Ti:r.i  (  >nil  if  aaepte<l,.we  Ihall  hope  to  fee  a  Puce  frnli  eO 

biilhrd  throuihenl  Indta,  or  ■  Warfo  Tiiorvuar  fuppoiiad  by  ibe  Alliince  which  thi 

f^pofr,  II  to  giTc  an  eiiljr-ind  very  prof^iDut  Tata  to  tLG.pieftut  Tioublci,  and  loch  i 

IITge  Id  them  ai  we  think  fit  to  [ommind. 

17.  We  hane  hiiheno  been  fuctefiful  in  oor  EndeiTDun  la  prelcne  Ihe  Keutnllrf 
■he  Niboh  NUam  Ally  Cawn,  aotwilhAandiag  hii  Engagement  with  the  conftdria 
Powen.  The  K4]'  oF  Berai  hat  not  laken,  aod,  i|  hai  been  befoie  obferfed,  wB  ketie 
will  not,  tike  any  Part  agaiallui{  and  if  ihe  Manini  could  be  perroaded  to  abaiii!i 
Ihe  lemponij  Alliance  which  ibey  have  foinied  with  their  nalunl,  .and  (ill  luelj.  ii* 
£n<n)y,  Hyder  Ally,  whole  Succdiei  cannoi  be  confldeied  by  ibem  without  fbi 
i  bf  Jciloufy,  we  Onuld  hope  to  be  1'  ■■--■■  .... 

I  of  ihii  eiCTaDrdimry  UTuiper,  to  add 
Zient  of  his  OppieftioDt,  without  Keafon  01 
'  It.  You  weie  inrormed  in  our  Geoetal  Letter  of  the  jd  of  Mirch.  of  the  Operatic 
cF  the  Army  r^rving  un'iler  General  Goddird  at  the  litell  Peiiod  fiom  obith  we  Ud,i 
ce-I'c^  avtheaticBicd  Account]  of  them.  Continuiiu  ihe  Kaitatire,  we  have  now  ro  i 
ioirtt  you,  that  igiieablc  id  the  Plan  CoiKeited  wiih  him  by  the  Piefideni  aqd  Sell 
Commitice  of  Bombay,  and  notwiihAiiiding  the  duhioui  Condod  of  Futty  S\at  R< 
Guicjwar,  when  OAen  were  liift  made  to  bim  by  BiiE>dier  Geneiil  Godjird,  a  Trei 
of  Alliance  wai  concluded  with  faiin  m  the  iqth  Jinuuy  1)11,  generally  corterf  on 
tag  wi\h  the  Objefti  Ihit  appear  in  Mr.  Hornby'i  Plan,  daled  joih  March  1779. 

Ueemini  tbii  Alliance  an  Event  of  canliderabU  Importance  to  the  laleielt  of  the  Cdi 
piny,  and  at  having  tended  to  ficililiie,  in  a  great  Degrre,  the  I'liccefiful  Operatiaoi 
our  Tnwpt  in  the  Province  of  Guieiat,  we  bcflow  only  a  jud  Pciirc  on  ihe  OEScer  w 
ncgoliaied,,  when  we  itecliied  our  Opinion,  ihii  be  fan  leodeied  an  eflentlal  Service 
the  Company  in  concludrp;  it.  Gome  Cor nfpondenre  having  palTed  belweeo  Srigid 
General  Goddird  and  the  SeleS  Commitree  of  Bombay,  tai  between  oi  and  ihcm. 
f>caing  tbe  Partition  of  Tcrcitoiy  Hipulated  in  ibe  Treaty,  wc  r<Ar  you  tor.a  full  Accoi 
of  it  10  ihe  Proceeding  on  which  it  ii  recorded,  and  to  our  ConCiltKiani  of  ibc  |i 
May  and  (he  111  Ofh>bei,fDc  the  Olden  which  were  feni  to  GeotrilCoddaid, on  cheSu^ji 
ef  bit  Replies  to  them.  The  Treai;  wiih  Putty  Sing, amended  and  raiificd  by  lu,  will 
'  Proceedings  bf  5  ih  June,  TwoCapieihavebeeniranfmlitedtoBiigidiaiGenl 

f,.  jiBi— ,f.— 1,  orher.tbaiin  ihe  nne  the  Ariitle.  which  form  the  Cth  1 

mitted,  and  in  ihe  other,  concluded  with  cerlain  Coir 

,  lOBiilce  inthem;  (Dd  wehiVeleftit  i.Dhi(Difcnii|N), 

obuin  the  Signature  of  the  Pret^denc  and  Council  of  Bombay,  and  of  Futly  Sing, 

either  of  them  ;  adding  hit  own  to  that  which  may  riccivE  their  Concuireoce,  and  tetu 

ing  (be  other  cancelled  lo  the  PielidenE  and  Council  uf  Biimbay,  to  be  feiit  back  la 

ig.  We  beg  Leaic  to  relier  you  Co  (he  Confultaiian  noted  in  ihe  Mtrgiq,  for  Ibe  fort 

Oblcmtiuni  which  we  made  on  ihe  Provlfiani  of  the  TVeaty  tooctu. 

Conf.  i;  May.    with  Fully  Sing,  for  our  Ordeit  lefpe^ing  (hem,  and  the  Rcpliet  ni 

to  thnfe  Oideie  by  l^e  ricGdeflt  and  SelcQ  Uoninictce  of  Bombay,  1 

Br-gadier  Oeneial  Goddird. 

10.  The  Treaty  wiih  Fully  Sing  hud  not  long  been  concluded,  before  the  Gem 
marched  hit  Fotcei  10  the  City  of  Ahmedabai',  ihe  Capital  of  CoieralL  Hi>  Socceli 
this  Pldce,  which  he  look  by  Siorm  on  Ihe  icth  of  F^btijary,  after  a  Siege  of  Tb 
Days  compleated  ihe  Reduaion  of  ilie  rich  Province  cf  Cuicrat,  for  the  AdianUgi 
ihe  Company,  and  the^r  Ally  Futly  Sing,  and  to  tbe  eoiiie  Loft  of  it  to  the  Huatta  St 
Oa  tbe  Army'i  quitting  Ahmedat'td,  a  Detchment  of  our  Forcei  wat  left  there  in  Ga 
fon{  and  we  hive  dire£led,  that  Fuity  Sing  IhouM  be  required  toliia  Subfidyfoittae  Etpe 
of  ihefe  Troopi  dunng  theii  Contlnuince  there,  to  mike  foil  Payment  of  it  fiom  tbe  Ti 
when  they  were  left  at  Abraed-ibid,  and  to  difchiigeaoy  «:(t(a  Eipei^  incurred  by 
Company  in  the  Capture  of  the  Place.  The  Delachmeni  undtr  the  Command  of  ( 
neial  Goddird  htvin|cicilT(d  the  River  Myhe,  un  ibeir  Return.  In  the  Southward  fr 
Ahmedabad,  wai  joined  by  Ihe  Forces  of  tbe  Mldru  Bfta^Uihiacnt,  confifting  of  1 
Europcint,  eomiiianded  by  Colonel  Srown. 


P  A  RLI  A  M  BNT  Ait  Y 

At  r78i. 

■t.  Oa  rtidr  Aniol  m  the  imA  Kit  «f  M>>btt,  If «)  fouaJ  dut  Msi!>|ee  Sdndi* 
■•d  Tatfajce  Holnr,  *hh  thrir  Fwcci,  canfitUDE  gT  ibint  fo.coo  Hotfc,  aficr  enicriDi 

Okind  tti,  had  pwnded  lanrdi  Sane ;  «iihin  ]o  Milei  of  ihii  Place,  tbcjF  bad  aina. 
aa,  Bhtii  iKci'Ini  Intellitcua  of  ihr  Siege  of  Ahm>dibid,  ilu7  bcnl  their  CouiTe  to  ihe 
Marthvird,  in  hopit  •(  ■rriiiag  in  Tnfilceiit  "nmc  to  roccapr  Iht  Btfiegeil  {  hui  £iMiD| 
tfceiF  tipr^Mient  difippoinlcd,  bj  the  tf\j  CaptDR  aT  |he  PlaR,  and  ihit  ihe  Geacnl 
i*f A  hii  Arirjr  ■-■l  frirttiing  {[uicklj  towjnli  th™,  Aey  hid  moTtd  off  w^th  their  >!iDle 
font  layiitii  Piwenfhtir,  a  ftienr,  ind  by  itieai  dCfaied  an  imprefniUe  fonnfi,  fitgited 
OB  a  hi|h  and  Aen  EtiK.  Neic  ibey  rontinurd  fiir  rnnif,  Tiine  (  and  ctoriog  rbeii  Siij 
Ibne  lati  fe'-o  NcfMiaiwa  kt  qn  fM:  bclween  ihe  T<>«  Chhli  and  BngxIiFr  Geonil 
OoMiVd.  '  The  iDMrtmrfe  -KinnDenad  bjr  [heir  Ktiuk  tn  M^s.  I'liniM  lad  Sttw±n 
fton  :fre  Cai|firfneni  which  ifac;  hid  long  rDAcie'','aa-Hoflim  fur  ihe  PerforinaBncF 
Ai  I'ilgi|RDcnti  m>de  it  Wnigaom,  ind  ihe  MiflKin  of  i  confiilentiil  Perfoo,  namtd 
A^)ee  Sb)bd«e,  chiieed  with  Litieti  ts  ihe  Gcnpril,  and  Iccoapinr  thife  CenUtmen 
(•the  Inglift  Camp.      A  pirticqlir  Accnunl  of  (he  Correfponiiente  btiwfen  the  Omenl 

»nd(h(ManCtiChicri,  ippein  in  hiiLetien  to  the  Prcfidcniind  Selcd 
CMf.  51(1. Mif.    Camminee.or  the  •Dth,  i}(b,  and  17th  Mtrrrhi  It  comtnenced,  db  the 

Part  of  Sdnilia,  with  EFUCril  Eiprtflioai  of  hii  Fricn'd&ip  for  the  Eb- 
|ROi,  en  Aet«iint  of  rfae  PraoA  which  be  hid  giien  uf  it,  in  the  Rentd  Iicwd  iheo  ai 
Wbit*aiB,  hi)  Pcrfmnne  in  the  fitne  Srnilmenti  towaidi  ihrm  to  tlic  frrHat  Poiod, 
mwltkeijty  |iia  Ttc^imerit  t>f  MtBr.  Firmn'  >nd  Stewart,  during  iheir  RelidciKe  id  bia 
Cltnp,  tad  the  I,nw>t]r  which  lie  hid  irmitd  thm  to  ntiirD[  and  ■  DeCre  10  be  in- 
fbrmed  If  ear  InttnlisDi  vere  of  a  boftile  or  friendly  Hataie  towardt  the  PeAwi  aad 
Wmf^.  The  RcDlica  madt  by  Gn^nl  Goddird  were  » |»Rer>l  ii  the  PiofeffiaDt  ta 
Wfcleb  Ihey  were  Anfwen  j  refteJ  the  Caufe  of  QoiTel  wTih  the  MinrHer,  to  whofe  pa- 
rftddtti  CoiMicila  he  aTiribed  it.  and  in  Conlequenre).  It  ii  neceAiy  to  obffr»e,  that  at 
■h)i  Period  the<e  wai  ■  fep^ed  Eatniiy  bclween  Kinii  the  MiniOcr,  and  Mhidijce 
Srindia,  and  that  (be  Time  ws  aTowed  by  Abijee  Shabajee,  the  confidfatial  Perfon  btfore 
Bined  aichaiged  with  Leltm  >o  the  Englift  Camp  ;  thoogb  it  i>  faid,  by  Geceial  God- 
iiii,  ihil  there  ti  no  Keafsn  to  heHcTC  that  no  fuch  Enmiiy  aAually  etifted,  and  that  it 
w»i  decljioi  mwrfy  to  mfwer  forpofei  eipefled  fiom  it.  The  Propofiliat  liR  niide  by 
Stindia.  (hroujK  hia  confidential  Agtrit,  were  to  this  Effea-.  That  ihc  Ajreetreot  faid 
«D  have  bMD  made  bclween  Rafoba  and  Scindia,  at  Titliigong,  arier  the  Retain  of  the 
£n|tia  Ar*iy  to  Bnmbay,  ftould  be  rcTlnd. — In  thii  Agteenent,  the  former  k  faid  ta 
tile  confented  lo  irlinquift  etl  Claiini  to  any  Share  in  the  AdminiSratiaa  of  Poonah, 
and  to  nxiie  lowiriti  Jincy,  where  he  would  recciie  an  Allowance  ftoni  ibc  Pdhwa'a 
Revtnae  of  Twelie  Lacki  of  Rupeea  pel  Annum;  Ibal  the  SicciHIiouliI  b;  flinck  in  (be 
Krm  of  the  youn^  Heftiwa  Madatow  Narriio ;  and  that  Dadjirow,  the  Son  of  Ragobi, 
Anuld  be  appointed  hi)  Dewan  ;  but  being  only  Four  Yean  of  A(e,  and  therefere  too 
youn;  to  traniaa  the  Bulliieri  of  the  Office  hinrelf,  the  Care  and  Uamgemeac  of  it 
BnxiM  bt  ief^  entirely  to  Scindia.  Thi>  Agreement,  it  wai  propufed,  ftould  now  be  put 
in  Forte,  that  Kagoba  ftiould  imoiediatEiy  go  to  Jincy,  and  young  Badjiiow  accompany 
Sciodia  to  Poonib,  in  otder'to  li;t  tbe  Adtninlltririon  in  the  Mannci  aWe  mestioncd. 
Th*  Anfwet  ni'de  by  General  Goddird  to  ihefe  Propofali,  wat  to  the  following  Efieft : 
•■  Tha'  the  Entlilb  could  not,  coirfttefiily  wi:h  their  Honour,  nor  ever  could,  agree  to  put 
>'  any  Rellraint  on  Ragoba,  "r  compel  hiin  10  Icive  their  Dominioni  agiinft  hit  own  Con- 
-  fetitiThaihowever  much  tbeyoiight  be  induced  10  iiititf  in  the  propofedSetileitiegt,  they 
«  moft  be  perfeflly  Idlitfied  refiiefling  the  Satety  of  vo  'Og  Baiijaio*  j  Ttrat  oKry  thing  niDa 
"  ht  quietly  feitled  at  Pnonah,befbre  hii  Prefencewo\ildbe«>pcdieni,oieTennec<ff'<ry  there  j 
*  end  ifaai,adn)tttiageTCaiheEng!iAididigreetoaffialn  putting tbePoweioFlheS'ite  into 
•■  the  tbn^'of  Sci^ia,  it  ipiinecclTa/y  th^rbealfalhouliliOa  hii  Part,ana  inthe  Naineof 
■■  the  PBftwa,cotiJent  to  tbe  Per&tlnincaofcertainCaadiiiunifavaurabtcto  their  Intere&i,u 
■■  wellinC'iilUeratian  of  the  inUKHtant  AdviBt>t«  he  was  to  receiteibrougb  their  Meani, 
<■  wtocomprnlttefur  thebeaty  Eapenceof  ibe  Wan,  »hicb  formerly,  and  in  particalu 
"  It  ihta  Tinie,  they  hid  been  lotoluncuily  compellFd  to  wage  with  the  Maiatta  Siue." 
Witti  ttari  Anrwer,  and  general  Afliirancet  of  a  fincece  DirpoliriDii  towatdi  an  Accommo- 
daiii-n,  on  Termi  of  an  honoarable  Nature,  the  Miritta  Agent  wai  difnilTed  to  hit 
M<nct|  li  doei  not  appear  that  any  farther  Corrcfpondence  fiDed  between  (he -Tuo 

IX.  In  t  Letter  w>Ii(en  b^  hi  tf  Geniral  Goddird,  on  Receipt  of  thf  Ad«ice(  whicb 
ban  been  abore  quoted,  we  eipliined  to  bim  the  Printiplo  which  we  required  blm  to 
Ml*w,  with  re^eft  w  Ragoba  j  dcemini  out  Obligaiiona.te  tbit  Chief  litUc  marc  than 

A.i78i^  .     Dr  B   8   'A    T   E  -a.   ■   ' 

nrntiau  cotiRlr  <>°'"*' (<■  ^l"  ^'^t  PraUAka  of  hn  Pwfia,  aM  '  fMBi«  ViMI 
far  his  SubfiAena.  Tbcle  Point!  hansg  beu  faund,  w«  pofiliMlT  dttEfitd,  Ihtt 
ConfiiientioB  of  the  fapfKjltd  Ri|tm  w  latcnlh  of  &■■•<■  AoaUnK  hcaBarm't 
ftaclc  to  ■  pcKciblE  AccpnmiKbtion  with  tin  Mhiui  Sum.  The  PioriAwi  -IHpali 
foe  bin)  in  the  Tieatj  of  PoDiundu,  being  in  our  Opinion  adc^nite  to  fail  link 
Wvora,  ■ndpliKiagbiiB'in  >  Stiteof  Safety «n<l  fndi^n^Dci,  wcJIiMlldkUc  appn 
cf  ihc  QS'en  aade  to  Gcmtil  Geidaid  b;  Ubadajcs  Stifldii,(br  Ut  RafidOiaa  of  ftii| 
■(  Jmc^,  wirh  (Dch  1  PmJfigD  &T  hi>  SibMtnce,  if  ibu  Fvtreft  aad  ki  Dtptain 
Of  fuch  a  Ponion  of  it,  oai  sqaal  to  tke  clear  Rihiiui  iMeodcd  tu  hfypwfriMrt  to 
trfe,  wue  affigned  la  bim  ablbtuUly  ind  iDi)c|i>nd«atlT  of  anj'  stlier  Caamal, 

ft].  The((  an  lk«  Piiociplei  wk«h  M  laid  domidthB^ 
CobT.  flh  OS.         Ragobi  I  «nd  we  hav«  coiiinDed  theM  in  late  Latbm  tg  Bngi 

GentiaJ  Goddud,  difiiint  b>D  t«  affiin  Ragoba  that  Jw  Mqr  d*) 
vpon  iMi  PtateQiaB  daiingCbeWir  in  wbicb -•<  ate  niTdaed  wilii  til*  Pckra*  t*< 
((ur  Refird  10  hii  pciliwd  Saftij  and  lauttlt,  *•  &r  m  it  mof  tae  iaoa  Bowtrto^ 
*id<  fiv  tun  after  it. 

•4.   Ypn,  will  oblerM,  in  iba  PiruTal  i^  the  GoiHil't.OHHl^ 
Conf.  l«th  April.     CDce,  the  Kuf<H<>  wkitj)  be  affigu,  iaithc  .\mgt  dUtosuta  «I 

kebadaU(kciedtaRa|aii**tR««|  taim^hetum  »—»  ijAda 
bi>  TuftiGcalioD  opOB  an  impottapt  Poiot,  wa  do  him  Andr  fa^aia  ia6Jutf.jtar 
ttntwato  tbenii    Out.  Order*  bad  beta  pofiiire  ai4  recited  he  the  Dilcoaiinaaoc 

tbc  Stipend  allotted  to  Ra; oka  1   but  ii>u  Mtidity  of  aSuJIpc' 

Con£  ■gfh  Hot.      liuae  AIlMnaiwe  appcattng  to  the  Geaenl  ia  •  ftong  Boiat  of  V 

17^9.  wd  to  the  Pnfideal  lad  ScM)  OoiBaiictee«f  lombajr,  wbole 

•4th  Jan.  HK  a*d  Opinion  he  meircd  on  tbie  Occalan,  we  hmt  MNta 

bf  tbeOeixnl  toRafobaof  lOtOoaKBpeeaaMonA. 
-15.  WjA  idpcA  to  tba  OfHniioiw  of  yourTraopeuadathcCbiDinaDil  of  0« 
Coddald,  fioce  ibe  Captun  of  Ahoudabad,  <M  Aall  he  at  briif  ai  paObla  in' 
of  tbam,  riTeriiog  j^ou  fat  a  fuUsr  Detail  tu  hiiaaa  Accoann, 
*t.  In  tbeMMniBfortbeftjd  April,  Brjga^er  OcMral  Goddaid,  taHD|'«itk  lu 
Put  of  hit  Anl>7t  C9nlilltag  of  ie«  Egn]M>at,  id  Conpaoiea  of  Qrondiw  Stfq 
Baaalianaof5ep(>r>>  >B<I  the  Moful  and  Oadtliu  CtCal^,  IbrptMtd  aadflMMM 
Maratta  Can^  oUi^g  the  Enem)'  to  aulu  a  qnicli  Fli|hl^— On  tbe  *|d  JMa^.  k 
Totbet,  with  T«o  BatUlisnt  of  Scpa)«,  farpiiacd  a  Badf  of  tbe  BnemV,  CanGltiii 
fiOOOHorfe,  comniajided  bj  two  priocipal  OSmti,  named  BasMet^f  SelwHaand  Pa 
Fuat.  vboCeDcfiin  wat  to  watcb  theMatioatofout  Airny,  and  to  kf  <nAt  tJic  C 
try  t  and  be  dlfperted  the  Whale. 

17.  AbaatlhaAme  Tim  LteuttjiantWikhWini  been  teamed  with  lb*  Rcgii 
of  Caralry,  ibt  Candabar  Hoife,  aod  Iht  7th  iattalivn  of  Separa,  a|)l«ft  dw 
Punt,  a  MaratU  OHicer,  who- with  a  Bod <i  of  4,000  HerfE,  Poat,  Ud  ]  I 
Piecci,  had  been  nuging  and  Erea:ly  infcRiRg  tbc  Eatiiooi  of  Soiat,  peribnacd 
Seiiict  with  eomplrat  Suueby  aad,  whii  radouadi  to  the  Credit  of  hiaOallanCar 
Condua.  with  the  AlTilUnca  uolf  of  the  Caialiy,  far  the  In&niiT  vaa  kf t  porpolil 
a  Diftance,  hit  Jnteation  being  tu  pulkCecwaTd  with  all  p)9ibla  EipeditiaB,  and  tai 
(ht  Cimpof  the  Enemy -beFoie  Day-break  i  Ha  puttham  ail  to  a  prSci^Mttn^ht, 
pofTeirrdhinfelfoftbrirwhoUOImp,  thrir  Guhi,  iheii  Tenti,  arid  their  Baaar,  I 
tentnt  Wtlih  hat  fince  dlillngiiifhtd  hii  C  'odua  >o  tbe  CaplBU  ofPanvftt,  and  mi 
SeiTicu,  lad  Hieirn  himJelf  an  oAia*  and  good  Officer. 

i3.  We  hiTc  onl;  grneiilly  10  oblerK,  ifl  Addition  10  tbi'i  Recital,  ihatthe  Ba|| 
ahle  talk  of  pur(aiiii  a  Manna  Force,  wiibogt  ih>  J>uflibil)lT  of  l]*ingia|.  tlvem- : 
Engagement,  haa  induced  BiiRidier  GeBei..l  Coddard,  di«e  bii  SuecelTaa,  whkh 
made  tbe  Company  and  ihdr  A  ly  complete  Mifkea-  DfOuatiM,  i*  en^oy  hilii 
chiefly  fnr  tbe  Oereoceofibe  >c<|uired  Counirwa)  aitd  li)  iRoriag  ihrfialLcaaaM*) 
venae  frotn  ll{  and  we  bare  t^  Hap|Hner»M  knowt  at  the  lame  Time  that  *eti 
thebeaiy  Ejtpence  vhicb  be*  been  nenltarily  mcHiiad  in  lbs  BtoltaitioDof  thdWkr, 
the.Operauofia  of  jovForoHin  the  Cent  fa,  pf  ji,.  bare  letrined  the  Ct|ii«<SM<  * 
they  Io(t  by  the  melancholy  Difiller  which  belel  (beia  in  Jmaary  1779, 'arid  plaGad 
in  the  Firfl  Degree  of  Credit  and  Eflinationi 

14.  The  NecelEty  ofmainiainint  folarged  Ferce  >I  the  Eipenn  of  iha  Bcbgal-^ 
fury,  hi)  orctGoned  lb  quick  a  Drain  «f  to  main  the  further  S'u|ip«rt  « 
Cnirge  almoS  impotfiblei  and  itJeeming  to  ua  oily  rHTooable'ibai  crt*;  ActUEi 
Rcreaue  which  might  immtdiateljr  arilc  L».tiic  Otn^y,  fram^hc  Op<fa(l<a*«ad 

P  A  R  LI  A  ME  N  f  A  R  y 

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ctAt  of-^  Ataif,  itoiild  be  ivpropristed  etclufively  fo  the  Payment  of  itt  Expences,  we 
ia%rttie4  tht  Gefttleaitn  of  B^oibay  of  our  EtpcAationf  in  thit  Particular ;  and  have 
Ihft  9fnfan  to  lui*«  froai  their  late.  Letteri,  that  they  have-affigned  the  firft  ColIeAioos 
iiMB  the  Perpwitths,  uader  the  Management  of  the  Chtef  and  Council  at  Sor^t,  felely 
«|  that  Purpofe.  ^ 

30.  The  NeccfBty  of  a  RcdoAton  of  Evpenee,  *bo  lefs  than  a  Belief  that  the  Gende- 
»«n  at  Foft  Saint  Oeorge  would  require  the  Servicea  of  the  Troops  under  Colonel 
Bnnra*  detached  hun  that  Prefidency,  to  make  a  Part  of  General  Goddard*f  Army, 
ift^nced  m  on  the  aoth  April,  to  direA  that  they  4»ould  he  fent  hack,  at  foon  as  be  couli 
difpcofe  with  their  Scnrices,  They  cnnfift  of  One  Company  of  Eotopean  Artillery,  Se- 
imi  of  lafantiy,  and  One  Battalion  of  Sepoys.  The  fame  Coniiileratiott  of  lefleniog  Ez> 
pence,  induced  n»  to  order  the  Redn^ion  of  the  ift  Regtmeoe  of  Cavalry  wirb  General 
GnldaidV  Amy.  They  had  not  been  at  that  Time  even  noticed  to  ua  as  a  ufefal  Corps 
tn*tbn;QpcratiMirof  the  Detachment,  and  the  Expence  attending  it  was  very  conHder- 
•hit}  iMii.'Uie  ftmng  Recommendlition  which  wc  have  tince  received  of  their  Merita 
ftnm  General  Goddard,  grounded  on  their  late  A£livicy  and  Servicea.  and  the  Defire 
widcii  bn  Aka  eapreflcd  for  their  Continoance  in  his  Arrfty,'  have  pfrevaJed  on  us  to  re- 
ndie  our  Ofdeis  to  him  of  the  soth  April  to  dtlhsnd  them* 

•   ft..  We  ha.Te  noeyet  fuflkiently  confidered  the  laft  Advices  from  General  Goddard,  or 

ibafe  from  Bombay,  refpeding  the  future  Operattens  of  their  Trdope,  and   the  other 

I  8nbje£la  to  which  they  relate,  to  reply  to  chem'  j  but  they  appear  on 

CiDf*  3«I  Od«       *  the  Pfoceedfngi  noted  in  the  Margin.     The  whole  Army  under  the 

tj^dNoT*         Command  of  Brigadier  General  Goddtrd^   was  probably  embarked 

from  Surat  the  Beginning  of  October ;  ^e  entertain  a  Hope  that  the 

•fp  BOW  in  Pofleffion  of  Baffien,  and  by  the  AHiftance  of  the  Bclhibay  Troops  of  the 

Cwnlqr  ntonnd  it*    At  this  Difkanee  from  the  Seene  of  AAion,  it  hat  not  been  poffible 

iof  ns  to  prefcfibe  n  fixed  Plan  of  Operations  for  General  Goddard*a  Forces  after  the 

r  .  '     '  Capture  of  Baflien.      Well  ae<|oalnted  as  he  is  with  oor   general 

Cm£  9lh0£L:     .  Sentiments,  we  h)ive  thought  it  bcft  x&  leafe  him  geherahy  to  hia 

•wn  Difcretion  in  this  Refpeft.  excepting  where  he  /hall  receive  Or* 
4tie  frote  the  Commander  in  Chief,  which  we  have  dire^ed*  htm  to  obey;  and  t& 
the  Event  of  the  Arrival  of  a  French  Armament  on  the  Coaft  of  Malabar,  when  he  ig. 
fo^tivdy  ordered  ito-empley  his  Force  for  the  Affiilance  of  the  Prefidency  of  Bombay. 
€*  fit    fi'th  Oft  3**    ^*  thought  it  neeeiTary  on  the  16th  ultimo,  to  impower 

vonLio  cc.  Lieounant  General  Sit  Eyre  Coote,  and  did  accordingly  impower 
him,  to  iilbe  fiich  Orders  as  he  Aioold  judge  expedient,  to  every  Detachment  that  has  or 
aay  be  made  from  the  Military  Enablifliment  of  this  Prefidency,  for  (he  general  Service 
of  the  War  in  which  the  Company's  Forces  are  engaged* 

'  33*  We  ere  happy  to  inform  you,  that  our  SucceiTes  againf^  the  Marattas  have  not 
been  limitfad  to  the  Operations  in  Goserat.  The  fame  Spirit  which  has  animated  your 
Forces*in  that  Country, and  the  fame  GaHantry  and  good  CooduA  which  has  diftingmihed 
their  Commanders,  has  ftcwn  itfelf  in  the  Detachment  of  ycur  Troops  emoloyed  in  the 
Sovice  of  our  Ally,  the  Rana  of  Ghode.-^The  Capture  of  Lahaar  Fort,  the  %Zth 
April,  and  the  fubfequent  and  very  Important  Capture  of  the  Fortress  of  Guilor,  of  which 
yo«  wete  adviicdin  a  feparate  Letter,  written  to  you  under  Date  the  14th  Augdft,  by  a 
neottal  Ship,  lefleA  the  highcft  Honour  on  the  Officer  in  Command  of  your^roops,  aa 
well  as  .thofe  fnbordinate  to  him.  We  have  thought  it  necelTary  to  reward  the  Service 
of  Captain  Pqpham,  by  promoting  him  to  the  Rank  of  Major  ;  and  we  have  granted  a 
Commiflion  accordingly,  fpecifying  piirticularly  in  the  Body  of  it,  for  what  Services  it 
^TitiJTen  bim,  his  Title  to  the  Rank  which  beheld  by  it',  not  being  in  the  regular 
C^wfe  of  SucceiTion.  His  Coodu£t  during  the  wh^le  Courfe  of  this  Service,  has  been  fo 
Bfriteiioiiai  that  we  think  it  a  Doty  incumbent  upon  us,  to  recommend  him  particularly 
to  yeuf  Favour.-  We  have  direded  that  the  Fort  of  Gualior  ihould  continue  in  Poflcf- 
lidA  ef  your  Tioops  during  the  Continuance  of  the  War. 

34.  Lone  before  the  Capture  of  Goaiiur,  we  had  refohred  on 
the  Relief  of  the  Battalion  of  Drafts,  ading  under  the  Command  of 
Capuin  Popham,  by  four  reeular  Battalions  detached  from  the  Bri- 
gades i  and  the  Comn^and  of  the  Troops  fo  detached,  was  |iven  to 
Major  Caroac— Som^Piffere|Ace  of  Opinion  having  arifen,  on  a  Pro« 
pofition  made  by  the  Governor  General,  for  an  Encreafe  of  this 
Force,  and  on  the  Powers  and  InftroAions  to  be  granted  to  Major 
Carnac,  we  beg  Leave  to  refer  you,  for'  an  Explanation-,  to  the 
ftveral  Minut^  which  are  entered  in  the  Confukation^  noted  in  the 



A.  \jZz. 

P    E    B    A    T    E    S. 


^    r      «!.  t^^        Margia ;  content  now  to  inform  you  generally,  tiiat  the  Inftra^ont 
Conr.  ««n  ^»'       given  to  Major  Carn^c,  were  at  pi-opofea  on  the  12th  June^  that 

I3tn  NOV.       ^j^g  Batulion  of  Drafts,  formetly  fervmg  under  Captain  Fopham,  are    ^ 
appointed  to  the  Eftabliflimeot ;  and  that  the  whole  Force,  cor  filling  of  St'ven  Battalions 
of  SepoySy  is  now  unde-^  the  Command  of  Major  Camac,  as  wU  as  th«  Cor|)S  of  Foreign 
Rangers,  formerly  on  Duty  at  a  Guard  to  the  Commander  in  Ctiicf.  ' 

35.  Our  Endeavours  have  heen  exerted  to  obtain  fot  the  Nab^b  Vizier,  complete  Pay*    ' 
incAt  of  the  Company's  whoU  Demand  upon  him  for  the  laft  Year  ;  but  without  EflFeft. 
C     C     A    nA        '^^^  Diftrefs  of  his  Situation,  and  his  Inability  to  attend  to  the  Re* 

'^  h  A  * '\  quificions  made  of  him  now  defctibed  in  fo  ftrong  Colours .  that  we 
^  Apfi  •  Jj^yg  ^^^  obliged  to  relax  in  fome  Degree  from  our  Demand  upon  hikn 
for  the  prcfen'',  though  not  without  an  Expe^ation  that  the  Claims  of  the  enfuing 
Year  will  have  been  entirely  provided  fbr^  together  with  the  Debt  of  the  forego»ng,  at 
the  Jate  Settlement.  Having  ftrongly  recommended  to  Mr.  Purling,  ^o  urge  his  Excel- 
lency to  the  Diminution  of  fome  large  and  unnecelTary  Expences,  which  we  obferved  in 
a  State  of  his  finances  tranfmitted  to  u#,  we  truft  that  the  Advice  given  him  will  have 
a  good  EQTs^tf  and  that  b^ter  Economv  for  the ,  future  will  enable  him  to  difchatge  hit 
entire  Debt  to  the  Company,  without  piftrefs  to  himfelf*  Mr.  Purling  has  lately  re- 
mitted to  tis  the  Sum  of  five  Lacks  of .Fyeabad  Rupees,  which  is  fafely  arrfved  here,  and 
placed  in  our  Treafuryt 

36.  We  have  thought  it  neceflary  to  require  from  the  Rajah  of  Benares,  the  fame 

Subfidy  for  the  enfumg  Year  that  he  paid  in  the  laft,  as  his  Propor* 
Conf.  13d  June,      tion    in   the  Expence  of  the  War.     He  for  fome  Time  hesitated  to 

comply  With  the  Demand,  and  we  were  obliged  to  refolve  on  Mea« 
fures  of  Compulfion  $  but  he  has  lince  paid  the  Account,  and  we  have  flopped  the  Exe- 
cution of  thofe  Meafures.  The  Support  which  he  receives  from  this  Government,  to 
whom  he  owes  all  that  he  pofieiTes  )  the  knOwn  Affluence  of  his  Circtim fiances,  not* 
wlthftandtng  hia  Pretexts  to  the  contrary ;    and  the  I(>terefl  which  he  podeflei  in  chief 

ovrr  all  other  Perfons  fubje^  to  us  in  the  Company's  Profperity  and 
Conf.  %i  Nov.         Succefs,  have  induced  us  to  ^require  of  him  the  Afliftance  of  fach  n 

lody  of  Cavalry  a9  he  can  fpare  for  the  Company's  Employ ;  under  a 

Promife  made  to  him,  that  their  Services  will  not  be  required  beyond 
Conf.  2d  Nov«         the  Continuance  of  the  War.    We  have  alfo  ftrofigly  recommended 

to  the  Nabob  Vizier  to  require  from  Fyzoola  Cawn,  the  Quota  of 
Troops,  confiftlng  of  50C0  Horfe,  ilipulated  by  Treaty  to  be  forniihed  by  the  latter  |  and 
we  do  net  do«bt  of  his  I'eady  Obedience  to  the  RequiOtion. 

37.  We  have  at  prefent  no  more  to  add  to  the  Advices  herewith  fent  yon  from  this  De- 
partment, and  to  thofe  which  we  had  the  Honour  to  tranfmit  vpu  by  the  Tryal  Packer. 
Tn  onr  next  Difpauhes,  we  /hall  hope  to  be  able  to  inform  you  of  the  Event  of  the  OflTera 
made  by  or  to  the  Maratra  State,  and  to  (end  yoo  a  prolperous  Account  of  the  State  of 
yedr  Affairs  on  the  Coaft  of  Cor<|mandel. 

We  are. 

Honourable  Sirs, 
.    Fort  William,  Your  mol»  faithful 

ti0  igth  Itoveteber,  jy^So.  humble  Servanff, 

Warren  Ha(Hngf« 
JKdw.  Wheicr. 






THE    PAUSES    OF    THE    WAR 

C    A    R    N    A    T    I    C, 

A  11  D      OF 



PrlnUd  for  J.  DBBR^TT,   (Succefibr  to   Mr.  Atuov,) 

;.  i'y  ;.  .    ■[  . 

f'    fa    ij    i    t    it 

it  ■  E,    P     &  ;;^R  ■,  T^ 


Thfi  GomnvUce  of  Secrecy,  apjwlnted  to  enquire  into  tjie  Cafi 
of  (he  War  tbat  i>«w  fubliiU  m  the  Carnauc,  and  of  tbc  P 
laiit  Comlition  of  the  Biiiifli  Pofleflioos  i^  thbfe  Parts  ;  ana 
t'eport  the  fame,  with  their  Ob&rv-ationa  thereupon,  to  i 
Iloitfe  i  aqd  who  were  inllro^d  to  enquire  into  the  Rife,  Pj 
gre^,  Ccmila^^,  and.  prefent  State  of  Uie  Marana  War,  a 
att  ^ther  Huflili[ie«  iii.  whiph  the  Presidency  of  Benejtl  now  % 
or  have  been;  engaged  in  theSupport  of  that  War;  and 
the  E-ffeAs  which  the  laid  War  an4  Ho/liiitiqi  ma^  have  pj 
duced  in  Bengal,  aild  the  other  Settlements  and  Foflefllons 
the  Ealt-India  Companyi^ 

IN  the  original  Plan  of  their  Report,  phjpofedj  afiwr  ^viitg 
Accortnt  of  the  IrrapHoii  of  Hyder  Ally  jntp  ihcCarnwie,  wi 
the  military  Tranfaftions  that  hanpened  in  Confequenee  chereo'G  iu 
the  Intelligence  which  the  Company's  Sarranii  hgd  received  of  * 
hoAile  Intentidnt  of  that  Prince;  to  liate  the  Condufl  ef  the  Co{ 
p^nyhStfvanu,  as  far  at  it  appears  to  have  had  any  laSaefru  onthf 
'J'rarlfaflions,  under  Three  Heads ;  Military;  PolitieaJ,  and  Revenw 

Of  tWtfe  Three  general  Heads,  the  Firft  makes  the  Satijea  of 
former  Repon';  the  Second  will  be  feparately  confidered.  Id  the  j^ 
fent  Report,  your  Committee  propoft,  as  fai  ai  the  Materials  thi 
have  had  Accefs  to  enable  .them,  to  mention  fuch  Particalars  refpe^Uf 
the  RevfenBe  of  the  Company,  under  the  Prefideocy  of  Fod  Sail 
George,  as  may  be  of  Importance  for  the  Information  of  theHouft 

Your  Committee,  however,  beg  I«ave  to  obfecve,  that  thjs  Parti 

fheir  Bufinefs  has  iwen  milcil  iWidged,  in  .Confequence  of  (he  Var 

atlon  which  they  thought  it  neceflary  to  maJce  upon,  their  ot^inej.  Plai 

Jn-the  Introduftion  to  their  Second  Report,  they  informed  the  HouS 

O  ±  Thi 



,  I 


« ' 

I  r 


f  X0O  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782. 

t  That  having  found  fevetal  fpecial  Matters  relating  to  the  Conda^  of 

\  the  Two  laft  Governors  of  Fort  Saint  George,  and  of  their  refpe6tive 
Coancils,  which  appeared  proper  to  be  communicated  to  the  lloaie ; 

\  they  thought  it  their  Duty  to  make  a  Report  of  the  ^dal  Matters  as 

I  early  as  poffible,  and  without  waiting  .to  complete  their  General  Re- 

I  port.  Of  thofe  ipedal  Matters,  which  make  the  Sabje£k  of  the  Second 
J  Kepoit,  a  very  confiderable  Part  relates  to  the  Conda£i  of  the  Com- 
.1  pany's  Servants  }»  the  Management  of  the  Revenaes ;  and  in  that 
ij.  View  was  originally  intended  to  be  introduced  under  this  general 
/  Head.  To  introduce  the  fame  Matters  here  again,  would  occaiionf 
}  an  unneceflary  Repetition.     To  that  Part  of   the ^  Second  Report, 

therefore,  your  Committee  beg  Leave  to  refer  for  Jnforn^ation  in  thefe 
Particulars ;  propofing  here,  after  mentioning  what  appears  to  have 
been  the  State  of  the  Treafury  at  the  Time  of  the  Irruption  of  Hyder 
Ally  into  the  Carnatic,  to  giv^  only  a  general  View  of  the  Nature, 
Amount,*  and  Expenditure,  of  the  Revenues ;  with  fuch  Obfervations 
refpedling  them,  as  did  not  fall  within  the  Plan  of  that  fpecial  Reports 

Your  Committee  find.  That  at  the  Time  of  Hyder  Ally's  Irruption 
into  the  Carnatic,  the  State  of  the  Treafury  of  Fort  Saint  George, 

\  and  of  the  Money  at  their  Command,  was  by  no  Means  fuch  as  could 

k  enable  the  Prefidency,  from  its  pwn  Refources,  tq  reiiil  fo  formidable 

an  Attack.     Mr.  Sadlier,  in  his  Minute  of  July 

i  Fort  St.  George    29th,  1780,  charges  the  Prefident  and  Coundl  with 

iWinuttsof  Conf.  having  taken  **  na  Pains  to  replenilh  an  empty 
29th  July  1780.      **  Treafury;  that  th^  Nabob  had  declared  he  had 

"  no  Money ;  that  the  Rajah  of  Tanjore  had  made 
'^  the'  fame  Declaration  3  that  the  Mafolipatam  Diibids  of  the  Nor- 
*^  therfl  Circars  were  fo  far  from  being  able  to  fumiih  the  Supplies, 
'^  that  Arrears  of  Tribute  then  amdunted  to  Seventeen  Lacks  of 
•^  Pagodas;  that  Sitteram  Rauze,  the  moft  wealthy  Zemindar  under 
^'  the  Company,  had  not  paid  his  Kifts,  and  inftead  of  his  beine  pre/Ted 
"  to  pay  them,  a  RemifTion  of  Tribute  was  voted  to  him  ;  that  Ball 
'*  Kiltna  was  in  Arrears,  nor  was  it  believed  that  he  would  be  ever 
'*  induced  to  make  good  his  Engagements.*'-— Mr*  Sadlier  adds/ 
•*  That  notwithftanc^ng  that  bad  State  of  the  Revenue,  Money  might 
'Y  be  raifed,  and  enough  of  it  too>  had  Government  aded  with  Spirit 
^  and  Refoltttion ;  but  that  both  were  wanting  when  both  were  moll 

*  •*  required— That  the  Nabob's  Territories  had  remained  in  Peace 

•»  ever  fmce  the  Year  1769  ;  that  confiderable  Additions  had  bieen 
<*  made  to  them  fmce  that  Time ;  that  his  Expenses  we*e  by  *io 

{  *«  Means  adequate  to  his  Revenue— he  a&s.  What  thett  is  become  of 

'  ||  '*  the  Overplus  ?*— that  his  Revenues  had  been  diminiflung  anAoaliy  j 

I I  «  that  the  Revenues  of  the  other  Countries  fiibied^  to  Madras^  had 
i^  '5  been  diminifhing  in  the  fame  Pft^rtion;  t£a^  their  Specie  had 

'  ||  <*  been  tranfporced  to  China  and  to  Enf&pe,  at  the  Rate  of  Ten  and 

**  Fifteen  Lacks  of  Pagoda^  annually;-  but  that  though  much  had 
'♦'been  curried  away,  enough  ftiU  remained,  and  that  the  Means  were 

ftiii  within  their  R^ch,  if  i^hey  wodid  hik  eScerttheilrfeiyes  with 

Aaivity  afitf  Spirit.'*  . 

.        'i;     III 

.  "  It'  I    I' 

A*  1782.  DEBATES.*  104, 

This  melancholy  Pidure  of  the  Finances,  drawn  by  Mr.  Sadller, 
remains  uncontradided ;  nor,  though  an  Anfwer  is  made  to  his  Miaate-^ 
by  the  Governor  and  Commander  in  Chief,  is  any  Reply  made  to  this 
Part  of  the  Charge  contained  in  it.  .    . 

Your  Committee  £nd.  That  in  a  Letter  dated 
26th  July,  the  Governor  had  applied  to  the  Nabob    Appendix,  N°  i. « 
to  know  what  Affiance  might  be  depended  upon 
from  him,  to  refill  the  Attack  of  Hyder  Ally,  and  particularly  to 
know  what  Supplies  of  Money  might  be  depended  upon  from  him»; 
and  at  what  Period ;  adding.  That  however  deiirous  he  might  be  to. 
defend  Jthe  Company's  and  his  Highnefs's  Forts  and  Pofleiilons,  it 
would  in  a  great  Meafure  depend  upon  tbe  ample  Supplies  of  Moaejr 
his  Highnels  could  furnifh  him  with  at  that  critical  Juncture. 

To  tl^is  Demand  the  Nabob  returns  a  very  long 
Anfwer,  j(l;ating  his  utter  Inability  to  advance  any    See  Appendix  to- 
Money;  imputing  his  Diftrefs  to  his  being  de-     i  ft  Report,  N^B^r^ 
prived  of  the  Tanjore  Country,  to  the  Anticipa- 
tions he  had  been  under  the  Necefiity  of  making  on  his  Revenues.  > 
and  the  Depredations  of  the  Enemy's  Cavalry;  and  concludes  with 
intreating.  the  Governor  to  ufe  every  Ex^tion  in  his  Power  to  procute 
what  might  be  immediately  wanted,  which  he  would  difchargein  Time 
of  Peace,  confidering  himfelf,  in  every  Refpe^,  as  Principal  in  t^c 
War  t^en  waged  againft  the*  Camatic. 

This  Account  of  the  Nabob's  DiHrefs,  is  con- 
firmed by  Sir  Eyre  Coote  ;  who,  in  his  Letter  to 
the  Committee  of  Correfpondence  at  the  India- 
Houfe,    dated   30th  November,  1.7 8o>   after  de- 
fcribing  the  bad  State  in  which  he  found  the  AiFairs 
under  the  Preiidency  of  Fort  Saint  George,  upon 
his  Arrival  there,  and  the  total  Want  of  all  nece/Iary  Supplies,  adds, 
I  naturally  turned  my  Eyes  tov^ards  the  Nabob  Mahomed  Ali ;  but 
£gure  my  Difappointment,  when,  initead  of  finding  him  in  a  ^u« 
ation  to  ai&ft  our  Exigencies,  I  learnt  from  his  own  Mouth,  that 
he  had  neither  Men,  Money,  nor  Influence,  and  that  he  looked 
to  the  Company  for  the  Support  of  both  his  Intereft  and  Credit.'* 
A  fimilar  Application  was  made  to  the  Rajah  of 
Tanjore,  but  with  as  little  Succefs.     He  excufed    Appendix,  N^  2. 
himfelf  on  the  Ground  of  Want  of  Money,   and      Aug.  7th,  i^So. 
the  OppreiSon  his  Country  had  fuffered  under  the 
Nabob,  which  had  left  him  fo  little  in  Condition  to  affiit  the  Com^ 
pany  with  Money,  that  it  was  with  Difficulty  he  had  paid  his  Subiidy 
of  Four  Lacks. 

Your  Committee  find,  that  in  this  Exigency^  Application  wad  made 
to  the  Supreme  Governor  and  Council  for  Affiilance,  and  particularly^ 
for  a  Supply  of  Money,  which  was  urged  in  the  molt  premng.  TermSir 
The  Select  Committee  of  Fort  Saint  Ueorge,  in-      . 
forms  th«  Governor- General  and  Council,  m  their     Appendix,  N^  j« 
Letter  of  the  26th  of  July,  1780,  that  it  would  be 
impoiTible  for  them  to  draw  Refources  from  the  Country,  (0  as  to  be 


Letter  fr^m   Sir 
Eyre  Coote  to  the 
Committee  of 
Nov.  30th,  1 780. 








able  to  a6l  witli  Vigour  and  EiFeft :  And  in  that  of 
Appendii?,  N^3.     the  14th  of  September,  that  they  had  no  Means 

•  whatever  ny  anlwer  the  extraordinary  F.xpences  of 
the  War  ;  and  that  it  wpuld  be  totally  impoffible  for  them  to  carry  k 
on,  unlefe  theycouH  be  fare  of  Suppfies  of-  Money  frdnj  Bengal. — ^ 
Tiey  aid,  **  T^atlt  woofd  be  i  great  Relief,  if  a  Sum  of  Money. 

,    **  coiiM  be  fen t  iminediately  after  the  Receipt  o€ 
Secret  ProceeS-     **  thefe  Difpatche?."     And  Sir  Edward  Hughes i 
i«ws  of  the  Go-    vti  his  Letter  of  the  fame-Date,  to  the  Governor- 
"vtrnor    General     Genera!  and  Council,  -  after  mentioning  the  Ne- 
iftd  Couijcil,  t^d    ceffity  of  fending'  a  Suppty  of  Troops  from  Bengal/' 
S^pt..  1790-  %'^^x  '*  Nor  will  Troops  alone  fave  tWis  finking 

'  **  SettletAent;  fbr  I  am  afTured  by  the  Governor^ 
•*  that  they  have  no  Money  rn"  the  Treafury,  nor  any  crident  Mean$ 
**  of  raffing  it,  in  any  Proportion  adequate  to  their  prefent  Exi- 
**  J;encies.'* 

And  your  Committtee  find,  that  the  Prefident  and  Council  exprefs 
therafelves  in  the  fame  manner  with  re^eft  to  their  Finances,  in  their 

Difpatches^  to  the  Court  of  Diredtors.  In  the 
Appendix,  N®'4.     Letter  from  the  Seleft  Committee  of  Fort  Saint 

George  to  the  Court  of  Direftors,  dated  Oftober  1 5^ 
1780,  they  write  that,  **  They  had  been  put  to  the  greatcft  Diflrefs 

"  for  the  Want  of  Money  to  carry  on  the  War.'* 
Appendix,  N*'4.     And  iii  their  General  Letter  of  the  fame  I^te,' 

they  inform  the  Dire6lors  of  the  Means  they  had 
taken  to  fuppTy  that  Want — ^That  tiiey  had  ifTued  Advertifements  for 
receiving. Loans  from  the  Inhabitants,  on  certain  Terms  which  they 
inenti6n  :  Rut  that  the  Supply,  by  rfiat  Means  obtained,  proving  in- 
adequate, and  having  no  Hope  of  any  immediate  Relief  that  could  be 
deenied  effeftual,  they  had  been  under  the  unavoidable  Neceffity,  zt 
the  lafl:  Refourqe,  to  dra^  Bills  on  the  Diredors  to  the  Amount  of 
jf .  200,000. 

Your  Committee  find,  that  the  Confcquence  of 
Appendix,  N*  5^.     the  Application  to  Bengal,  was  a  Supply  of  Fifteeii 

Lacks  of  Rupees,  which  the  Governor- General 
and  Coun,<:il  fent  by  Sir  Eyre  Coote.  But  they  find  that  this  Sum,' 
being  intended  whqlly  to  anfwer  Military  Expences,  was  entrufttd 
not  to  the  Prefident  and  Council  of  Fort  Saint  George,  but  to  Sit 
Eyre  Coote,  Commander  in  Chief;  and  that  a  Paymafter  was  appointed 
by  the  Governor-General  and  Council,  to  whom  the  immediate  Chargef 
of  it  was  committed:  But  the  Governor-Geiicral  and.  Council  autho- 
Yi^ed  Sir  Eyre  Coote  to  make  ufe  of  this  Money,  in  fupplying  the  * 
Reqttifitions  of  the  PVefldent  and  Selc6b  Committee  of'  Fort  Saint 
George,  if  he  fhould  be  fatisfied  of  the  Expediency  of  doing  fo. 

■    *      And  your  Committee  find,  that  thefe  Supplieaf 
Appendix,  N^  ^,     appear  fiill  to  have  been  infufRciertt :  For  ir!  a  Letter 

or  the  29  th  of  November,  to  the  Court  of  Direftors/ 
the  Seleft  Committee  writes,  **  That  they  can  place  but  litt|e  De- 
**  peftdence  on  any  Refburce,  but  that  of  Bengal;  for  candying  on  thf^: 
**  War  ;  and  that  as  to  the  Expences  of  the  Civil  Department,  they 

^^  have 

A.  I7fl«.  DEBATES.      , 

"  haye  very  flendcr  Hope  of  pcocuilng  fufficieatto  anfiver  diem 
*'  any  Quarter." 

And.  Sir  Eyre  Coote,  in  a  Letter  dated  loih  of  Letter  fror 
November  ijSo,  to  the  Govern  or- General  and  Eyre  Coote 
Council,  informs  them,  that  "  by  tie  nearett  Com-  Governor-C 
"  putadon  he  could  make,  the  future  Dilburfe-  ral  and  Coi 
f*  ments  at  Fort  Saint  George  would  rather  ejtoeed  loth  Nov.  i 
"  SevenLacksofRupeesper Month, everyCowrie 
"  of  which  muft  come  frofti  Bengal,  as  he  found  there  were  ni 
,"  fourccs  there,  from  which  a  iiagle  Pagcda  could  be  expefled.' 

Your  Committes,  djferving  this  Diltrefs  for  Money  at  Fort 
George  at  this  particular  Period,  ordered  the  Servants  of  the 
India  Company  to  Jay  before  them,  e  State  of  the  Treafuries  ; 
different  PreCdencics  for  the  !aft  Four  Years. 

In  Obedience  to  this  Order,  there  was  laid  before  your  Comni 
2  State  of  the  feveral  Treafiirie*,  for  Four  Yean  preceding  ih 
Period  to  which  they  could  bemade  up.  That  of  Madras  is  ma 
to  the  25  th  of  March  1780,  andisas  ioUows  : 

jodi Jotiei;;?     .  — .  Pag.   4.a9>S5*  »*  8x,  £.  tj 

31ft  Jaouary  1778  —  .            3.S''794  —  1+ 

28th  February  1779  — ,.  3,36,916  —  9 

Bjth  March  1780  .  -^'  2,^8,358  —  11 

Your  Committee  are  aware,  that  as  this  Account  is  made  o] 
tfi  the  zjih  of  March,  .which  yonr  Committee  was  Informed  w 
Jbweft  Period  to  which  the  Materials  at  the  Indta-Houfe  aijmit 
Its  being  brought,  it  carmot  be  coafidered  as  giving  any  fati&f 
Information  with  refpefl  to  the  State  of  the  Trcafury,  at  the  Ti 
fhe  Irruption  of  Hyder  Ally  ^ato  the  Carnatic  ;  and  as  there  is  , 
iereiice  in  the  Periods  to  which  the  State  is  made  up  each  Yei 
very  «xafl  Comparifon  cat)  be  made  of  the  State  of  the  Treafi 
thefe  lefpefUve  Yearj.  But  fo  ikf  your  Comraittee  thipk  then 
warranted  to  obferve  from  this  Account,  that  on  the  z;th  March 
theStateoftheTrearury  wasnot  JUdt,  as,  upon  a  Comparifon  w 
Situation  jit  other  Periods,  implied  any  particular  Attention  t 

It  i:  proper  that  your  Committee  fhould  obferve,  that  on  v 
Occafions  preceding  the  Period  of  Hyder  Ally's  IrrupttoB,  the  Pw 
and  Council  at  Fort  Saint  George  appear  to  have  reprefent«( 
pilHcidties  wuJ)  refpeft  to  Money.     The  Revenues  under  that 
deacy  ere  S*ied  as  barely  fufhcient  for  their  Peace  Eftablilhmeal 
even.thofe  ileve^ues  are.iiot.tobexlepanded  upon  in  Cafe  efira 
igency,  the  Irregularity  <d  the  P^^ents, 
^tlcuMy  hoM  the  Nabdi  and  the  Rajah  of  Tan-         Sele^  C 
jerc.     On  tte  n^  of  December  1778,  they  ia-     tations,  311 
form  the  Governor  General  a^  Cduacil,  by  Le.t-  .  1778. 
ter,  that  tbe^  had  written  particularly  to  the  Court 
of  Dlredort,  on  the  Suii^ed  of  their  Engagement*  with  the  1 
aiid  tlLe'S.^|akofTuuote;  -aiulregaefted  that tln^' would  faUsi 


■    « 

104  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782. 

3Aezns  of  relieving  them  from  the  EmbarraflTments  they  were  expofcd 
to,  in  defending  fach  extenfive  Territories,  without  having  the  leaft 
Command  over  one  Refeurce  belonging  to  them — That^  in  the  mean 
Time,  they  Mattered  themfelves  that  the  Governor  General  and  Coun- 
cil woald  yield  them  every  Aid  in  their  Power,  and  particularly  at  a 
•Period  when  they  were  obliged  to  make  Exertions  much  beyond  their 
Batural  Strength ;-  and  when  they  had  nothing  to  truft  to  for  fapportr 
ing  them,  but  Engagements  to  be  performed,  and  Revenues  to<be 

At  a  Confultation  on  the  14th  January  1779. 
Appendi)^  N^  6.     at  which  Sir  Eyre  Coote,  then  at  Madras  on  his 

Way  to  Bengal,  was  prefent,  the  Prefidcnt — after 
mentioning  Sir  Eyre  Cootc*s  Prefence  as  a  fortunate  Circumftance^ 
becaufe,  having  an  Opportunity,  froin  his  own  Obfervation,  to  form 
a  Judgment  of  their  Refources,  and  of  the  Difficulties  they  had,  and 
Ikill  have,  to  flruggle  with,  he  might,  from  his  own  Knowledge,  be 
able  to  enforce  their  Reprefentations  to  the  Supreme  Council — ^refers  to 
Ibrmer  Minutes,  in  Evidence  of  their  Difiicalties  ;  apologizes  for  the 
Neceflity  they  had  been  under  of  drawing  Bills  upon  the  Company, 
from  the  Impofiibility  of  raifing  Money  in  any  other  Manner,  for 
paying  the  Arrears  due  to  the  Troops:  And  adds.  That  notwithilznd* 
sng  the  Money  borrowed,  they  had  then  an  empty  Treafury— That  if 
die  Nabob  fhoutd  fail  in  his  Engagements,  the  moft  ferions  Confe* 
qnences  were  to  be  apprehended— That  they  had  re^refented  their 
Situation  to  the  Governor  General  and  Couricil ;  and  that,  if  they 
^d  not  receive  a  Supply,  they  would  be  under  the  Neceflity  of  draw- 
ing on  F.urope-— That  it  was  abfolutely  neceflary  to  a£t  with  Vigour, 
in  order  to  obtain  Money  from  thofe  Channels  from  whence  it  ought 
to  flow;  and  by  a  determined  Plan  of  (Economy,  and  a.Reduftion  of 
all  Expence,  t^  endeavour  to  fupply  the  Treafury — That  though  it 
would  be  improper  and  dangerous  to  reduce  their  Military  Force  at 
*!  the  Commcn'cement  of  a  War,  yet,  that  he  had  no  Heiitation  to  give 

'  \  it  as  his  Opinion,  that  their  Eftablifhment  was'  too  great  for  their  Re- 

"i  Jn  a  fnbfequent  Minute,    of  Date  the  4th  of 

.j  Af^eiidix,  N®7.     February  lyyOt  at  which  Sir  Eyre  Coote  was  alfo 

ji  prefent,  the  rrefideiit  lays  before  the  Board,  the 

•^  Intelligence  he  had  received  of  the  bad  Succefs  of  the  Bombay  Army 

*  againft  the  Marattas,  and  the  Neceffity  thence  ariiing,  of  taking  into 

Coniideration  their  own  State  and  Refources,  as  well  for  the  Defence 
,'  of  the  Carnatic  as  for  affording  Afiiftance  toany  other  Parts  of  the 

ifi  Company's  Polieifions,  or  of  thofe  of  their  Allies ;— mentions  his  fre- 

il  qnent  Reprefentations  of  the  Difficulties  they  had  to  flruggle  with ; 

and  that  the  utmof^  they  could  expert,  Was  to  fupply  their  Exigencies 
'  tin  a  Peace  Eftablifhment,  and  to  provide  their  Inveflments.     That  their 

«SituatiQ)i  had  been  reprefented  to  the  Governor  General  and  Council; 
M  but  that  they  fhould  Aill  addrefs  them  in  a  more  parficular  Manner  on 

:'.  the  Subject,  and  requefl  that  they  would  not  only  afford  them  Affifl- 

•*  if)  ance  froni  the  Bengal  Treafury,  in  ordeV  to  enabl6  their  Army  to  take 

*i  the  Field  (ihdutd  Circamftances  Jiiake  it  necefFary)  but  that  they 

'  ij  .  WOUI4 





Letter  from  the 
Prefident  and 
Council  of  Fort 
Saint  George  to 
the  Court  of  Di- 
reftors,  April  3d, 

A.  1782* 

would  give  them  their  Opinion  on  fuch  Points  as  they  had  fabmitted 
to  their  Confideration ;  and  in  particular,  the  Mode  of  fecuring  the 
regular  Payment  of  the  Subfidies  from  the  Nabob  and  the  Rajah  of 

In  a  Minute  of  the  fame  Date,  Sir  Eyre  Coote 
expreflcs  his  Concurrence  with  the  Prefident,  in  the     Appendix,  N*^  7. 
Neceflity  there  was  of  making  this  Reprefentation 
to  the  Government  of  Bengal. 

And*  your  Committee  find,  that,  upon  other  Appendix,  N**  8. 
Occafionsy  the  Revenues  under  the  Prefidency  of 
Fort  Saint  George,  have  been  ilated  in  the  lame 
Manner^  as  barely  equal  to  their  Eftablifhment  in 
Time  of  Peace,  and  providing  the  Inveftment,  but 
not  to  the  contingent  Expences  of  War ;  and  accordr 
ingly  it  appears,  that  to  enable  that  Government 
,  to  carry  on  the  Expedition  againfl  Pondicherry  and 
that  to  Mahe,  they  received  a  Supply  of  Twenty 
Lacks  of  Rupees  from  Bengal. 

Your  -Committee  next  proceeded  to  enquire  more  particularly  into 
the  Nature  of  the  Revenues  under  the  Prefidency'  of  Fort  Saint 
George,  and  the  diFerent  Sources  from  which  thefe  Revenues  arife: 
And  your  Committee  find,  that  the  Revenues  under  the  Prefidency  of 
Fort  Saint  Georee,  properly  fo  called,  confift  of  Three  general  Heads : 

Firft,  Revenues  ifiuing  out  of  Lands. 
Secondly,  Duties  and  Cuiiroms. 
Thirdly,  Farms  of  exclufive  Privileges. 

And  your  Committee  find,  that  the  Lands  fubje6t  to  the  Prefidency 
of  Fort  Saint  George,  are, 

Firil;,!  TJie  Lands  immediately  contiguous  to  the  Prefidency,  con- 

fiflin?  of  the  Difbid  round  Fort  Saint  George, 

of  wnich  the  Company  had  been  long  in  Pof- 

fejQion ;  and  the  Jaghire  Lands,  which  were  ac* 

quired  from  Mahomed  Ali  Cawn,  Nabob  of^the 

Camatic,  by  Grant',  dated  Odober  29th  1763, 

and  confirmed  to  the  Company  by  the  Mogul's  Firmaun,  dated  the 

l2thof  Auguft  1765. 
Secondly,  The  Territory  of  Cuddalore,  or  Fort  Saint  David's. 
Thirdly,  The  Diilrids  of  Mafulipatam  and  Nizampatam,  with 

the  Five  Circars  of  Elur,  Rajahmundry,  Mailaphanajg;ur,  Chica- 

cole,  and  Mortezanagur  Condavir  or  Guntoor,  commonly  called 

the  Five  Northern  Circars. 

And  y9ur  Committee  find,  that  the  Diilrids  of  Mafulipatam  and 
Nizampatam  were  acquired  from  the  Subah  of  the  Decan  by  a  Grant, 
dated  May  14th  1759  ;  and  that  the  Five  Circars  were  granted  to  the 
Company  by  the  Mogul's  Firmaun,  dated  the  12th 
of  Augull  176c,  and  afterwards  confirmed  to  them  Append.  N*  ip« 
by  Treaty  witn  the  Nizam  or  Subah  of  the  Decan, 
to  whofe  Government  they  had  been  fubjeft.  By  Appwid.  N^  lo. 
this  Treaty,  dated  12th  November  1766,  the  Cir- 
car  of  Montezanagttr  or  Guntoor,  which  had  been, 
previous  to  the  Treaty,  granted  in  Jaghire  by  the 

VoL.VL  P  Nizam 

Appendix,  N**  9. 
Appendix,  N®  9. 

Append.  N^  lo* 



•  I 

<  I 

I        • 


ic6  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  ijSt. 

Nizam  to  Us  Brother  Bazalet  Jang*  is  s«ferved  to  that  Prince  dturing 
his  Life ;  and  the  Company  engages  to  pay  to  the  Nizam  for  the 
Three  Circars  of  £lar«  Rajahmundry,  and  Mulbaphanagur,  Five 
Lacks  of  Rupees  Yearly,  and  Two  Lacks  for  each  of  thofe  of  Morte- 
zanagur  and  Chicacole ;  the  £rft  of  which  was  in  the  Po^flion  of 
Bazalet  Jung,  and  the  other,  not  then  reduced  to  Obedience,  as  foon 
as  the  Company  Aiould  be  put  into  PoiTefllon  of  them  ;  making  in  all 
Nine  Lacks  Yearly. 

And  your  Committee  ^nd,  that,  by  a  fubfequent 
Append.  N**  10.     Treaty,  dated  the  23d  Day  of  February  1768,  be* 

tween  the  Company,  the  Nizam,  and  the  Nabob 

of  the  Carnatic,  in  which  the  Northei-n  Circars  are  confirmed  to  the 

<  Company,  the  Annual  Payment  to  the  Nizam  for  the  Four  Circars  of 

f  Which  the  Company  was  then  in  Pofleflion,  is  reduced  to  Two  Lacks 

of  Rupees  for  Six  Years,  and  One  Lack  more,  if  during  that  Time 

)  they  ihould  obtain  PofTefHon  of  the  Circar  of  Guntoor;  and  after  the 

I  Six  Years,  Five  Lacks  for  the  Four  Circars,  with  Two  more  when 

Guntoor  &ould  come  into  their  PofTeffion  ;  making  in  all  Seven  Lacks. 


Seleft  Letter  from        Fourthly,  The  Company  did,  in  the  Year  1778, 
J  Fort  St.  George,    acquire  from  the  Rajah  of  Tanjore  the  Territory 

1  17th  0(St.  1778.     of  Nagore. 

f  Your  Committee  find,  that  this  Diftrifl,  which Jics  npon  the  Sea 

Coaft  in  the  Kingdom  of  Tanjore,  and  is  valued  at  zf  LacKs  of  Rupees 
J  Yearly,  was  obtained  from  the  Rajah,  in  lieu  of  a  Grant  of  Lands 

;  round  Devicottah,  which  the  Rajah  had  Voluntarily  offered  to  the 

i!  Coinpany,  in  Gratitude  for  being  reftored  to  his  Dominions,   under 

i  the  Government  of  Lord  Pigot. 

i  Laftly,  The  Company  ha^,  fince  the  Commencement  of  the  prefent 

• '  War,  acquired  from  the  French,  Pondicherry  and  KaJTical,  with  their 

[  Territories. 

'i  And  your  Committee  having  made  Inquiry  into  the  Nature  of  the 

'.  Territorial  Pofleflions  of  the  Company,  find,  that  thefe  PoiTeflions  are 

j  dilHnguifhed  chiefly  into  Two  Kinas,  known  by  the  Names  of  the 

j'  Haviily  or  Government  Lands,  and  the  Zemindary  Lands. — That  the 

jj  Haviily  or  Government  Lands,  are  Lands  which  belong  in  full  Pro- 

.j  perty  to  the  Government  (in  this  Cafe;  the  Company)  and  to  which 

no  Rajah  or  Zemindar  has  any  Right:  And  thefe  Lands  are  either 

pofTeflcd  by  the  Government  itfelf,  or  let  oat  to  Renters  for  a  certain 

Annual  Rent, 

;i  That  the  Zemindary  Lands  are  the  Poflcflions  of  certain  Rajahs  or 

1  Chiefs,  who  pay  an  Annual  Tribute,  as  fettled  by  a  Rent  Roll,  or 

Jummabundy,  to  the  Government,  according  to  the  Value  of  their 


And  your  Committee  find,  that  though  the  Amount  of  the  Tribute 

I  ,  in  the  Zemindary  Lands  is  variable,  arid  fettkd  only  by  temporary 

i  ^  Agreements  between  the  Government  and  the  Zemindars,  either  for 

i  ^l^  One  or  more  Years ;   yet  that  thefe  lafl  are  underilpod  to  have  a 




'I  I 


t    I 
■'■  ,1 

,fii '' 


'  I    j 

A.  1781.  DEBATES.  I 

pennanent  Clum  to  the  Pofleffion  of  their  Luids,  and  a  Right 

tranfmitting  them  to  their  Heirs. 

In  a  Letter  from  the  Prefident  and  Council  of 
Fort  Saint  George  to  the  Court  of  Direflors,  Append.  N°  1 
dated  8th  Mar.  1769,  in  which  they  ftatc  the 
Diftinflion  between  Zemindary  and  Haviily  Lands  j  it  is  faid,  Th 
the  Tribute. paid  by  the  Zemindars,  ought  to  be  certain  and  invari 
ble,  thoQgh  that  has  not  always  been  ilriftly  (^ferved ;  and  Chang 
of  Government  have  always  introduced  Changes  in  the  Tributfr— tfi 
add,'  That  this  is  of  no  great  Confequcnce,  for  bcfides  thefc  A 
Tributes,  ((bppofmg  they  were  fo)  the  Snpreme  Government  haa  j 
ways  demandeci,  and  Cuftom  has  given  SanfHoa  and  Title  to,  a  fu 
thcr  Sum,  at  a  Nazar  or  Frci  Gift;  and  that  thefe  two  Sums,  ti 
Tribute  and  Naiai,  are  what  they  mean  when  they  fpeak  of  fettlii 
rile  Jnmmabundy  with  the  Zemindars. 

Yonr  Committee  do  not  find  in  the  Records  of  the  Company  whii 
they  hare  p«rnfcd,  any  other  Mention  of  this  NatJr  or  Free  Gift, 
paid  to  the  Government,  diilinft  from  the  Tribute;  nor  do  either  ti 
Agreements  made  with  the  Zemindars,  or  the  Accounts  of  the  Rev 
nues  tranlmitted  Home,  make  any  Mention  of  it. 

Your  Committee  find  a  Paffage  in  the  Revenue  Confultations 
Fort  Saint  George,  of  Date  31ft  Augiift  177+,  which,  as  it  tends 
explain  the  Nature  and  Origin  of  the  Rights  of  the  Rajahs  or  Zemii 
iars  to  the  Pofleflion  of  their  Lands  in  the  Northern  Circars,  whe 
ilone  there  are  any  Zemindaries  under  the  Prefidency  of  Fort  Sai 
George,  and  to  illuftrate  the  State  of  the  Company's  PoIfefHons  in  th 
Quarter,  they  will  here  infert :  "  The  Zemindars  in  general  a 
"  hereditary  Landholders,  who,  on  certain  Conditions,  have  held  tl 
"  Lands  they  now  poflefs  in  their  Families  for  a  confiderable  Numb 
"  of  Years';  fome  however  cannot  claim  fnch  long  Right,  but  hai 
"  been  created  Zemindars  by  the  Subahs,  who  have  governed 
"  Hyderabad,  fince  the  Death  of  Nizara  ol  Mulk. 

"  During  the  Rigour  of  the  Moorifli  Government,  they  we 
"  obliged,  by  rfie  Condition  of  their  Tenure,  to  affift  the  Subal 
"  with  a  certain  Number  of  Troops  for  Military  Services,  and  to  pi 
"  a  Tr^&te  befides,  in  Proportion  to  the  Value  of  their  CountriC! 
"  bgt  as  the  Government  became  weakened,  they  often  refufi 
"  Obedience,  untilcompdled  by  Force,  and  their  Refufal often  em 
"  ed  in  their  Expoliion  from  their  Zemindaries;  but  even  in  fut 
"  Cafes,  the  Government  found  the  Attachment  of  the  People  to  tl 
"  Zemindars  fo  ftning,  that  they  could  feldom  colleft  any  Part  1 
"  the  Revenues ;  and  iri  general,  they  rather  chofe  to  give  the  Lam 
"  again  to  one  of  the  Family,  than  to  annex  them  to  the  Crown. 

"  This  Weaknefs  of  the  Moorifh  Government,  gave  frequent  Oj 
"  portnnlties to  theprincipal  Zemindars  to  increafe  their  Power- 
"  They  feized  tfpon  the  Lands  of  thofe  who  were  unable  to  refi 
"  them,  and  fo  far,  as  to  wreft  the  Havilly  or  Government  Lam 
"  from  the  Government  itfelf — By  thcfe  Means  many  of  them  becan 
"  pofleiTedoflargeTrafU  of  Country,  and  maintained  a  conTiderab 
Pa  ••  Numb 

■    I 

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'    I 





■   r 


I"  i'< 





**  Number  of  Troops,  partlcnlarly  the  Zemindar  of  VisiaiiagnuB, 
**  in  the  Chicacole  Circar. 

**  In  this  Situation  we  found  the  Zemindars  when  we  obtained  the 

**  Mogul's  Phirmannds.    .UnaccuHomed  to  ready  Compliance  with 

"  any  Requifitions  of  Government,  and  appreheniive  of  Aifeping  by 

a  Change  of  Mafleis,  it  is  eafy  to  conceive' how  little  t&ey  were 

difpofed  to  obey  the  new  Orders  of  the  Mogul.     The  Board  con£- 

(icring  thefe  Difficulties,  and  the  Inconveniences  which  might  a- 

nfe  to  the  Company,  were  they  forcibly  to  polTefs  themfelves  of  the 

Country,  in  Oppofition  to  the  Will  of  the  Zemindars,  thonght  it 

>ii  *'  moft  prudent  and  advifeable,  upon  every  Account,  to  make  fuch 

**  Agreements  with  them  as  might  {ecure  a  reafonable  Tribute,  and 

.  <«  yet  leave  them  in  an  honourable  Situation,  by  confirming  them  in 

'^  the  Rights  and  Privileges  they  had  enjoyed,  and  yielding  to  them 

'^  a  competent  Maintenance  out  of  the  Produce  of  their  Countries.—*. 

j  "  Tbis  )vas  explained  ^t  a  Meeting  with  fome  of  them ;  and  the 

I  <'  Zemindars  of  the  £Iur  and  Muftapnanagur  Circars,  in  confequence 

"  fubmitted,  and  entered  into  an  A|;reement,  which  may  be  feen  on 

Reference  to  the  Circar  Confultations  for  1766.     The  Zemindars 

of  Rajahmundry  and  Chicacole  held  out  ibme  Time  longer,  and 

•'  Troops  were  fent  againft  them ;  but  at  length  they  fubmitted,  and 

'«  the  fahie  Mode  of  Settlement  took  Place  with  them,  as  with  the 

**  Zemindars  above-mentioned." 

Yaur  Committee  find,  in  the  Confultations  of  the  Prefidency  of  Fort 
Saint  George,  in  their  Revenue  Department,  of  Date  January  nth 
1777,  certain  Queflions  fent  to  the  Chief  and  Council  of  Mazulipatam, 
to  be  by  them  put  to  fome  of  the  principal  Zemindars  dependent  on 
that  Settlement,  with  refped  to  the  Rules  of  Succeilion  m  Zemin- 
daries.-T'They  find,  in  a  mbfequent  Confultation,  of  Date  the  23d  of 
).  May  1777,  the  Anfwers  returned  to  thefe  Queftions  by  Four  of  the 

"  principal  Zemindars ;  which,  as  they  tend  to  illuftrate  the  Ideas  en- 

tertained of  the  Rights  of  thefe  hereditary  Landholders,  with  the  Rules 

of  Succeflion  eftabli(hed  among  them,  your  Corn- 
Append.  N®  12.     raittee  judged  proper  to  irifert  in  the  Appendix. 

Your  Committee ~  find,  that  the  Right  of  thefe  hereditary  Land- 
,i  holders  to  the  FofTeflion  of  their  Lands,  has  been  recogni^ej  by  the 

')■  Court  of  Directors ;  who,  in  their  Orders  for  eflablilhing  the  Com- 

mittee of  Circuit,.  12th  April  1775,  fay,  *'  That  it  was  by  no  Means 
*'  their  Wilh  to  deprive  the  hereditary  Rajahs  or  Zemindars  of  their 
*'  annual  Income ;  on  the  contrary,  that  they  meant  to  fecure  it  to 
I  "  them.'*     They  add,  "  That  if  any  of  the  Zemindars  fhould  prefer 

^  •  '^  receiving  their  Income  from  the  Company,  and  relinquiih  their 

;'  *'  hereditary.  Claims,  they  had  no  Objeftion  to  allowing,  them  fuch 

Stipends,  as  fhould  be  found  reafonable,  in  lieu  of  the  Benefits 
arifing  from  their  Zemindaries." 

Befides  the  Havilly  and  Zemindary  Lands,  from  which  the  Com- 
pany draw  a  Revenue,  your  Committee  find,  that  there  are  various 
Parcels  of  Land  in  the  Circars  which  are  held  by  the  Pofleflbrs  under 
the  Name  of.  Inaums,  or  Charity  Lands,  whether  granted  originally 

*  '  .  for 


A.  1782.  D    B    ft    A    T    E    S. 

for  charitable  Pnrpofes,  on  Account  of  Servicf  1  perionned,  or  i 
Gift.  The  Commictee  of  Circuit,  (the  Infiitutioii  and  Obj 
which  has  been  explained  in  a  former  Report)  in  their  Letter 
Prefident  and  Council  of  Fort  Saint  George,  of  Due  the  t 
September  1777,  late  the  Amount  of  thele  Charity  Landiii 
Chlcacole  Circar,  at  ^o.ooa  .Rupees  a  Year ;  and  give  it  ai 
Opinion,  That  the  Titlei  to  many  of  thefe  Charity  Lands 
founded  on  fuppofed  Grants  in  the  Time  of  the  Moorifli  G' 
ment,  had  cither  flowed  trom  the  Governors  of  the  Province,  wl 
no  Right  to  make  fuch  Grants,  or  from  Collulion  with  the  R( 
the  Holders  of  the  Grants,  from  a  Conviftion  that  their  Claims 
not  fland  the  Tefl  of  Examination,  being  contented,  for  a 
Gratification,  to  lend  their  Names  for  the  Purpofe  of  carrying  1 
Lnpofiiion  on  Governoient- 

Your  Committee  next  proceeded  to  enquire  into  the  Nature 
Second  Branch  of  the  Revenue,  viz,  the  Cufloms  and  Duties.— 
your  Committee  £nd  to  confill  chiefly  of  a  Duty  of  5  or  a|  pei 
according  to  the  Quality  of  the  Goods,  imported  by  Sea  or  b 
in  by  Ladd ;  in  relpefl  of  which  DilBnftion,  thefe  Goods  eith 
under  the  Sea  or  Land  Culloms. 

Your  Committee  find.  That  thefc  Cuftoms  or  Duties  hxt^ 
ufually  received  by  ColleAors  appointed  by  {he  Company — The 
however,  that  inFebruary  I779,  Advertifements  have  been  pu 
for  letting  them  at  Rent  for  Five  Years  j  and  a  Variety  of  Pr 
appear  to  have  been  given  in,  in  confequence  of  thefe  Adi 
m^ts:— This  Plan,  for  which  a  Decay  or  Falling  off  in  the  R 
was  given  as  the  chief  Motive,  appears  to  have  been  much  obje 
by  the  Merchants  and  Traders  of  Madras,  as  hurtful  to  Trad 
unufual  in  <i  Free  Governmentt  The  Conlideration  of  it  was 
fore  remitted  to  tlie  Direftors  at  Home ;  who  do  not'appearh 
10  have  made  any  Alteration  in  the  Mode  of  Coll eftion. 

And  your  Committee  find.  That  the  Farms  of  exclufive  Priv 
which  make  the  Third  Branch  of  the  Revenue,  are,  exclollve 
of  Trade  in  certain  Articles,  fuch  as  Beetle  Nut,  Tobacco,  / 
&c.  and  for  which  an  annual  Payment  is  made  to  the  Compan] 

Befides  the  Three  great  Branches  of  the  Revenue  above-men 
there  falls  to  be  reckoned,  as  Part  of  the  Refources  of  the  Co 
under  the  Prefidency  of  Fort  Saint  George,  fuch  Broportioa 
military  Expences  as  is  defrayed  by  the  Nabob 
of  Arcot  and  the  Rajah  of  Tanjore. — And  your  Military 
Committee  find.  That  by  Agreement  between  the  from  Pon 
Company  and  the  Nabob,  that  Prince  is  engaged  George,3j 
to  defray  the  Expenceof  Ten  Battalions  of  Sepoys  1773- 
in  the  Carnatic,  befides  that  of  all  his  Garrifons ;~  Lcttsr  fn 
And  that  theRajah  of  Tanjore  pays  annually,  by  Rajahofi 
Agreement,  Four  Lacks  of  Pagodas,  for  the  Ex-  in  Conful 
pebce  of  the  Company's  Troops  in  his  Country.         24th  Apri 

And  your  Committee  find  that  thefe  Revenues  are  either  acc 
fer  immediately  at  the  Prefidency,  or  at  one  or  other  of  the  f 







»!  P  »' 



A,  i7g2. 


pate  Sudoii9»  at  wKich  a  Chief  and  Conndl  reitde — ^That  of  thefe 
Ibbordinate  Stations,  there  are  Four  under  the  Prefidency  of  Madras ; 
fiz.  One  at  Coddalore;  One  at  Maznlipatam*  for  the  Circars  of 
£lur,  Rajahmandry,  and  Mnihiphanagur ;  and  the  Chicacole  Circar 
is  divided  into  Two  Diftrifts,  that  to  the  South  being  under  the 
Management  of  a  Chief  and  Council  refidine  at  Vizagapatam,  and 
l&at  to  the  North,  commonly  called  the  Itchapore  DiSnd>  under  a 
Chief  and  Council  refiding  at  Ganjam. 

Your  Committee  having  afcertained  the  Nature  of  the  l^cvcnucs 
vnder  the  Prefidcncy  of  Fort  Saint  Geofge,  with  *  the  Sources  from 
which  they  flow,  proceeded  next  to  enquire  into  the  Produce  of  thefe 
Revenues ;  and  with  that  View  they  gave  DireAions  that  there  fhould 
be  laid  before  them,  an  Account  of  the  Territorial  and  other  Revenues 
received  by  the  Preiidcncy  of  Madras,  from  ift  May  1763  to  the  laft 
Accounts  received,  diftingoi/hing  each  Year,  and  diflinguifiiing  the 
Heads  under  which  thefe  Revenues  are  received,  and  the  Balances 
under  each  Hea4  ^t  the  End  of  each  Year*.  This  Account  they  think 
it  proper  to  lay  before  the  Honfe« 


A.  178*. 


An  ACCOUNToftheTeixlMri»l«iKlotlierRereniiare«lTOdb)r  tbePrefidenejr 
M)dn>  from  I  ft  May  17S]  to  the  laft  Anaanci- received  i  diAinguilbJDg  each  Vc 
aa3  diffinguiAiing  tht  Hoadi  uqdec  which  it  ii  nceivtd,  aiid  the  Kalaficn  UDdu  ei 
Head  at  Che  End  of  each  Yeu. 

,  i7»J-4. 


H»d  in 
Che  Year 

Balance  of 




Fwt  St.  Oeorge. 

Lud  Rcycnuei       -      - 
Cuftomi  ukd  Dutiei     - 
Famu  and  Licti-.iei      ■ 






-    P»(. 

"  i4^So 




Land  Rewnoet     -      - 
Cuftomi'iuid  Dutlei     - 
FanO)  aod  UcfaSa      - 




Land  Remiuei     -      • 
CuilanuaDdDudea       - 
Famu  and  Ucencici    - 





Ciiibm.uidDutiM     - 
^arauwdLicebfe'i      - 


No  Ac- 

"dii  Ba- 
lance! of 










t  li 





A.  1781. 

.  I 


.  1^1 


(  L 


I    , 






''  '1,1 


■  * 


„.  It!  J 




Head  in 

the  Year. 

Balance  ol 

Grofs  Re- 


Totl  • 


Fort  St.  George. 

Xasd  Revenues      -     - 
Coftoms  and  Duties     - 
Fanni  and  Jicenfes 

















^1  *%     1  W 


LandReveones     •      »• 
Cuftoms  and  Duties     - 
Faims  and  licenics 









Land  Revenues    - 
Cuftoms  and  Dudes     - 
Fasms  and  Liccjifes 






Land  Rcvenocs     -      - 
Cuftoms  and  Duties     - 
f  arms  and  I4ccn(es 


No  Ac- 





*                                        r 









F«rt  St.  George. 

i.attd  Revenues     • 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
jFarm^  and  Lkenles      » 



•    2,2C5 









Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  andLicenfes 









Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties     - 
Farms  and  Licenfes     :- 






Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Du6es     » 
Farms  and  Licenfes     - 



No  Ac 











6 1 3,648 


A«  17S2. 

Df  E    B  -A    T    E  ^S«f 



Fort  Saiftt  Gcorgi.    - 

'  Laind  Revenues'  - 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  aadLicenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 

MafuTlpatam.  ■     • 

Land  Revenues !  - 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licences 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 

Northern  Clrcars. 

Land  Revenues .    - 


Fort  Saint  George. 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftom :  and  Duties 
Falrms  and  Licenfes 



Lifnd  Revenues  - 
Ciiftoms  and  Duties 
FarmiB  and  Licenfes 


hind  Revenues     - 

Cuftoms  and  Duties 

^  Fs^mz  and  Licenfes 


L^d  Revenues     - 

Ci^ftoms  und  Duties 

'   F^rms  and  Licenfes 

Northern  Circars.- 

L:uid  Revenues      *• 

Vol.  Vli 

under  each 
Head  In  the 









;  357^545 









■   779 


Balances  of 
each  Head. 




















Total  GrolV 















1  io/>i4 











Total  Nett 
























j     1 





^ort  Saint  Geoiige* 

Land  Revenues  ^ 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  LicdiUes 


Lapd  Revenues  '   - 
Cujdnms  and  Diities 
Farms  and  ^cedfes 

>  "  I 

Mafulipat^im.  « 

La|>d  Revenues 
Cufloms  and  Dikies 
^arilos  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues  I    - 
Cuftoms  and  DUtics 
Farms  afii  Liceufcs 

Korthern  Circar. 

La&d  Revcnyes 

I  Krccivcd  I 
lander  eachiBalances  of 
[Head  in  (heV  each  Head, 


yewr.     \ 

1*1    1     ■ 






Total  Grofs 





I  i,co6 










Total  Nctt 




'769-70V       I 
fort  Saint  George.        ' 

Land  Revcniies ,    - 
Cuftoms  and  Di^-tles 

Farn»»  aofl  i^xeiuLes 

i ' 

€udd<ilore«  | 

Land  Revenues  ■    - 
Cuftoms  and  Ddties 

•    •       Farms  andrLice|ifcs 


Lapd  Revenues !    - 
Ciiftbms  and  Di|tlcs 
Farms  and  liicenTe^ 


Land  Reveniies'    - 
Cuftoms  and  D\iitles 

.•  Farms  aad  Lketfes 

Northern  Circars, 

Laud  Revc^utfs     - 





















.  I24>77'8 


.  58*>396 


4a7>634  . 






















1 5^7*845   jT,po,7i7 

mmmmmmmmmm^        11 '     I    I  '       1       I 







D    E    B    A'T    E    S. 


each  UciLl 





Land  Revenues 
CuiloniB  and  Duties      - 
Faiius  and  Lkecfu 







>  93.15  5 



Land  Rwuiuei 
Cullonis  and  Dtiti<!i     - 
F«inj  ud  LicBufei  -  - 



Land  Revemiei 
Cgll^n^s  and  Duties      - 
Fwms  and  Licmfes      - 

I..,. 98 




Land  Revenues 
CuKnms  and  Duties      • 
Fams  ud  Uconies      - 



Northern  Ci  rears, 

Luid  Revenue* 







For  S»JnC  Oeotge. 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties      ■ 
Farou  and  Lic«aies 













Cuftnms  and  Duties      . 
Farms  and  Lictnfct      ■ 




Lund  Revenues 
Cii«oms  and  Duties      - 
Firms  and  Licenft)      - 






Land  Revenue. 
Cullams  and  Dudes      . 
Farms  and  Liccnfei  '   - 




Northern  Circan. 

Und  Revenuel 














A.  1782. 

Fort  Saint  Georgd. 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Fanni^and  LIcenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  LIcenfes 



Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Liccnfcs 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 

Farms  and  LIcenfes 

'•  ...  "• 

IKprthcrn  Ci  rears 

Land  Revenues 

I  Received  [ 
ander  each 
Head  in  the 





Balances  oi 
?ach  Head. 



Total  Grofi 




3? '43 




•    Pag. 








Fort  Saint  Qeorge. 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
« Farms  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
£arms  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuitoms  and  Duties 
iFarms  and  Licenfes 

Northern  Circars. 

Land  Revenues 









Total  Nett 

Pag.   * 


'  i 
















762,48  s 































P  A  R  L  I  A  ME  N  T  A  R  Y 

A.  i;?*. 



fore  $aaat  Ceorge. 

hsuid  Revenues  <«» 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Fanns  and  Liccpfes 


Lmd  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  liccoTcs 


Land  Revenues  - 
Cuftoms  and  Dtties 
Farms  and  Lic^nfei 


Land  Revenues  - 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 

Northern  Circars* 

<    Land  Revenues 

'777  8' 
Fort  Samt  George. 

Land  Revenuea. 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 

^yizlgapatam.  ■ 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 

KTorthem  Circar^. 

lufind  Revenues    - 

uiKler  each 





Balance  of 

«acb  Head. 

16,58  s 




-      741 











Total  Grofs 






«  53*674 























P»?4  937>99* 











14,89,  M4 


Total  Nett 














A.  1782. 

D    E    B    A    T    E    *. 



Fort  St.  George, 

Land  Revenue 3 
Cu'Toms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  l.iceiifes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuitoms  and  Duties 
Farnis  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Licenfes 

Korthern  Circars. 

'    V       Land  Revenues 

"iunder  each 

Head  in  the 


Fort  St.  George. 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties  ^ 
Farms  and  Lieges 

Cuddalore*  ,  • 

Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  Ihd  Duties 
Farms  and  Lieenfes 


LaAd  Revenuvs 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Lieenfes 


Land  Revenues 
Cuftoms  and  Duties 
Farms  and  Lieenfes 


Land  Revenues 


Land  Revenues 

Northern  Circars. 

Land  Revenues     - 

£aft  India  Houfc^ 
lytb  December,  i7§t. 
Errors  exceoted. 

•  - 












■II  i> 








ill  >    tl 




Balance  of 
each  Head. 










No  Books 



Total  Grof$ 

•  *>  "mt 


627^67     1*3,885 

321^44         9,717 














Total  Nett 









58,682         «• 

CommiffioQ  eftimated 


87*  M4 














P  A  R  L I  A  M  E^  T  A  R  y 
Chan'ges  of  CoUedtton,  excltsiive  of  ComAitffion 

A'  ^7^^' 


1763-  4 

1764.  C 

1765-  6 

1766-  7 

176I-  9 

1770-  I 

1771-  2 

177*-  3 

1773-  4 

1774-  5 
J775. .6 

1776-  7 

1777-  8 
!     1778-  9 


Ball  India  Houfe, 
31ft  December  1781 


-       .  3'200 


1 9*840 

1 1,399 

,.    80,10 





Errors  excepted,  , 
.  •  John  Annis, 

Auditor  of  Indian  Accounts. 

The  Charg^es  of  Colleftion  annexed  to  the  above  >Acccount,  make 
^h'c  Difference  between  the  Grofs  and  the  Nett  R,eceipts.  In  thefe 
Charges  your  Committee  find,  that,  befides  Surveying  Charges,  Re- 
pairs, Prefcnts  to  the  Rent^rs^  and  Allowances  to  them  on  Account  of 
Lofles,  are  comprehended  the  Payments  made  on  Acco.unt  of  the  Pifti- 
x:u(h,  or  Annual  Tribute  d.u«  to  the  Nizam  for  the  Northern  Circars ; 
with  certain  Penfions  payable  out  of  the  Revenues. 

The  Commiilion,  which  appears  by  the  above  Account  to  be  de- 
duced from  the  Nett  Receipts^  is  a  Commiffion  upon  .  the  Revenues 
allowed  to  the  Company's  Servants.  ---    - 

Your  Committee  find,  in  the  General  Letter  to 
Append.  N°  13,     Fort  Saint  George  of  the  25th  of  March  1768,  the 

Comiiuffion  regulated  in  the  following  Manner: 

The  Sum  of  60,000  Pagodas  Yearly,  out  of  the  Revenues,  was  to 
be  divided  into  One  hundred  Shares,  proportioned  among  the  Com- 
pany's Civil  and  Military  Servants  as  follows:  * 

For  the  Governor,  Twepty-one  Shares. 

For  the  Second  in  Council,  Five  Shares  and  an  Ha!f. 

For  the  rdkjof  the  Council,  not  having  Chieflhips,  Two  Shares  and 
an  Half  each. 


A.  1782. 

^  D    E  'B    A    T    E    8.  * 


The  Commander  in  Chief,  Eleven'  Shares. 

The  Colonels  each.  Four  Share?. 

The  Lieutenant  Colonels  each.  Two  Shares  and  an  Half. 

The  Majors  each.  One  Share  and  a  Quarter. 

Out  of  what  remained  of  the  above  Fund  unappropfcted,  there 
was  appointed  to  be  paid  a  Gratuity  of  Three  Shillings,  a  Day  to  each 
Captain,  Two  Shillings  to  each  Lieutenant,  and  to  Enfigns  and 
Lieutenants  Fire-workers  One  Shilling  a  Day  each. 

The  Deficiency  of  the  Fund  to  make  good  the  above  Payments,  was* 
direded  to  be  fupplied  out  of  the  Company's  Cafh;  and  the  Surplus, 
ifany,  fhould  remain  to  be  carried  to  the  Credit  of  the  Company-till 
further  Orders,  , 

And  your  Committee  find,  that,  by  the  GfeneraJ 
Letto-  of  23d  March  1770,  a  Variation  was  made.     Append.  W  14. 
both  upon  the  Amount  and  the  Diftribution  of  the 
CommiffioB.     Inftead  of  the  fpecific  Sum  of  60,000  Pagodas,*  5  per 
Cent,  was  ordered  to  be  taken  from  the  nett  Territorial  Reven-ues,  to 
be  divided  among  the  Civil  and  Military  Servants  as  follows : 

One  Twenty-fourth  Part  to  be  firft  drawn,  and  paid  as  a  feparate 
Share  to  Major  General  Coo*^,  Commander  in  Chief  in  India. 
'The  Remainder  to  be  divided  into  One  hundred  Shares,  proportioned . 

as  follows :         • 

To  the  Governor,  Twenty-one  Shares  *  1 

To  the  Second  in  Council,  Five  Shares  and  an  Half. 

To  the  reft  of  the  Council,  not  having  Chieflhips,  as  far  as  the 
Eftabliihment  of  12  Members  of  Council,  each  Two  Shares  and 
an  Half. 

To  Brigadier  General  Jofeph  .Smith,  as  the  Firft  Colonel,  Eleven 

To  the  other  Coloneb,  equally  among  them.  Eight  Shares. 
'  To  the  Lieutenant  Colonels,  Twelve  Shares  and  an  Half,  to  be 
equally  divided.  ^ 

To  the  Majors,  to  be  equally  divided.  Six  Shares  and  a  Quarter. 

The  unappropriated  Shares,  and  fuch  as  might  fall  by  the  Death 
cir  Relignation  of  Mjjor  General  Coote  or  Brigadier  General 
Smith,  being  to  be  carried  to  th^  Credit  of  the  Company. 

The  Commiffion  allowed  to  the  Company's  Servants  appears  to  have 
remained  upon  this  Footing  till  the  Year  1777 ;  in  which  Year  your 
Committee  find.  That  a  new  Regulation  was  made  with  i^efpedl  to 
the  Payment  of  the  Company's  Servants.  The 
General  Letter  to  Fort  Saint  George,  of  the  nth  Append*  N°  15. 
of  June  in  that  Year,  after  narrating,  that  much  .of 
the  prefent  Confufion  had  arifen  from  the  private  Engagenlents 
of  the  Company's  Servants,  and  their  Concerns,  Dealings,  and 
Tranfaftions,  on  their  own  feparate  Account,  with  the  Princes 
and  Natives  of  the  Country ;  ^nd  ftfidlly  forbidding  the  Governor, 
or  any  of  the  Councif,  to  carry  on  or  to  be  concerned,  either  by  them- 
felves  or  others,  in  any  Dealings  or  Tranfadlions,  by  way  of  Traffic 
or  Commerce,  for  his  or  their  Ufe;  Benefit,  or  Advantage,  or  for 
the  Ufe  or  Benefit  of  any  other  Perfon,  the  Trade  and  Commerce  of 

Vol.  VL  '    R  the 



A.  17^. 

the  Company  only  excepted  ;  or  to  lend  Money*  apon  Mortgage  to 
any  of  the  Country  Powers,  or  to  any  PeHbni  employed  or  entni&ed 
by  them ;  proceeds  to  dired,  That,  in  Coniideration  of  the  ab6ve. 
mentioned  Reftridlions,  every  future  Governor  fhbuld  be  flowed  a 
Salary  of  4#,Qoo  Pagodas,  and  each  of  the  Councfl  i6,coo  Pagodas, 
and  that  in  full  of  ail  Fees  of  Office,  Perquifities,  Hmolaments,  aod 
Advantages  whatfoever;  except  fuch  Field  Allowances  as  the  Di- 
redtors  ihould  think  fit  to  make  to  any  Perfon  who  (hould  have  a 
military  Comihand,  and  lijcewife  except  that  the  Governor  fhould 
have  the  Advantage  of  continuing  to  reiide  in  the  Fort  Houfe,  to- 
Igether  with  the  life  of  the  Company's  Plate  and  Furniture,  and  the 
Commiffion  on  Coral,  in  Ufe  to  be  taken  by  former  Governors. 

This  Regulation,  which  feems  not  to  have  extended  to  the  military 
Department,  continued  in  Force  till  the  nth  of#January  178 1 ;  dur- 
ing which  Period,  no  Commiffion  appears  to  have  been  payable  to  the 
Company's  Civil  Servants.  But  your  Committee  find,  from  the 
General  Letter  of  that  Date,  that  the  former  Syftem  was  again  re- 
verted to,  with  refpcdl  to  all  the  Company's  Ser- 
Append.  N°  16.     vants,  except  the  Governor.    The  Salary  of  40,000 

Pagodas  by  the  Year  is  continued  to  Lord  Mac 
Cartny,  then  appointed  Governor,  in  Cenfideration  of  his  being  to- 
tally reilridled  from  every  Kind  of  Dealing,  Tranfadtion,  or  Com- 
xnerce,  in  Money  or  Goods,  the  Trade  and  Cdmmercc  oF  the  Com- 
pany exciepted.  But  with  regard  to  the  other  Members  of  Council,^ 
the  Ordei^  given  in  the  General  Letter  of  the  nth  of  June  1777,' 
reipedting  the  Salary  of  16,000  Pagodas  yearly,  is  revoked;  and  the 
fame  Salaries  and  Allowances  ordained  to  be  paid  to  them,  as  were  in 
Ufe  to  be  paid  to  the  Members  of  CounciT prior  to  that  Period;  and 
all  the  Members  of  Council,  below  the  Prefident,  are  allowed  to  trade, 
in  the  fame  Manner  as  they  might  have  done  before  the  Reilri^ons  in 
the  faid  Letter  of  the  nth  of  June  1777. 

In  order  that  the  Houfe  may  be  enabled  to  fee  ftill  more  in  Detail 
the  Particulars  of  which  the  Three  great  Branches  of  the  Revenue 
tonfift,  your  Committee  will  here  infert,  a  particular  Accompt  relative 
to  each  ;  the  Firft  Ihewing  to  whom  each  Head  of  the  'l^erritorial 
Revenue  has  been  let  on  Leafe,  or  by  whom  it  has  been  nianaged, 
with  the  Rent  payable  on  each  Leafe,  from  May  1763  ;  the  Second, 
a  particular  Accompt  of  the  Duties  and  Cuiloms :  and  the  Third,  An 
Accompt  of  the  Revenues  arifing  from  the  exclufive  Farms  and 
Licences  :  Thefe  Two  laft  Accompts,  commencing  in  1767,  and  end- 
ing, as  well  as  the  firit,  in  1779,  which  is  as  low  as  the  Materials  a( 
the  India  Houfe  permit  of  their  being  brought. 









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Yottr  Committee^  ia  the  Conrfe  of-tlieir  Eaquuics  into  the  Beceipt 
of  the  Revenues  under  the  Prefidencjr  of  Madias,  cokld  not  fauc  ob- 
lenre  the  very  laige  Arrears  due  by  the  Renters  and  odier  Fo&ffon  of 
Lands»  and  which  appear^  to  have  ratddly  Immftd  of  Isir;  pard- 
cularly  ki  the  Northern  Circars.  Ana  yoor  Committee,  beii^g  defir- 
ous  to  aiceruki  the  Progrefs  of  theie  Balaneesy  called  for  a  paiticiilar 
State  of  them,  as  they  Aood  at  the  r^^pg^wg  T<»ifnina>tir>n|  of  the 
Governments  of  Lord  P^ot,  Mr.  Str^tent  Mr4  Whitehill,^  and  Sir 
Thomas  Rumbold,  and  at  the  Date  of  the  kft  Advices;  in.OVedience 
to  wUchj,  the  felfemng  Account  wdz  pruJmiedr  - 

m^^mm-mm^^.  ' 

A  STATE  of  the Balancesof  the Nordrere Circars,  as  they  ftood at 
the  End  of  Lord  Pjgot's  Government,  of  Mr.  ^tratton's^  t>f  Mr. 
WhitehMl's,  of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold's,  and  as  they  ilobd  Record. 
ing  to  the  laft  Advices/* 

At  the  End  of  Lord  Pigot's  Government,  2f  th  Auguft  1775* 

MafiiEpatam        *  '  '  Northern  Circars        •        2,79,604 
Viza^palam        .-      Nprthcm  Circars        -  72,293 

Ganjam  •  Ngrthern  Circars       '-       .2,7 1^;^ 

At  tie  End  of  Mr.  StrajSoa^a  Government,  ftJL  Augnff  1777- 

Mafulipatam  -  Kortheib  Circars  •  -.  2,50,942 
Viza^apaUm  •  -Northern  Circars  .  2,52,158 
Ganjain    .       «  Nenhnu  Git^aCi^s.'       •        3^21 '999 

•  •  •  * 

Pag.  8,25,709 

At  die  End  of  Mr.  Whitehiil^s  Government,  7th  February  ijy^ 

Mafulipatam  '  -  NortHem  Circars  -  3,84,2^3 
Vizagapatam  •  Northern  Circars  -  i>93«8$i 
Ganjam  *  Northern  Circai^s        -        3*77,021 

PAg.  9»55>i^5 


A»  1782."  Df    E    B    A    T    E    S,  »j7 

•       - . 

Sic  Thomas  Rtunbold  teilgned  the  Government  of  Madras  the  4th  of 
April  1780;  tiie  laft  Accounts  ricceived  of  the  Balances  doe  from  the 
Circars,  are  dated  the  i^th  of  February  1796,  at  which  Time  they 
ftood  as  follows : 

Mafulipatam        -        Nc»ttierh  Circars        -        9^92^962 
Vizag;apatam       -        N<xrthetiti  Circars        -        ^,2^,1^6 
Ganjam  -        -    Northern  Circars        -        4>02>482 

Pag.  17,19,600 

Eaft^India  Uoufe/ 
18th  May  1781.       Errors  excepted,        Joho  Annis, 

*        '  Auditor  of  Indian  Accounts. 

From  the  above  Accompt  it  appears  to  yoqr  Committee,  that  the 
Balances  due  from  the  Circars  have  not  only  been  conftantly  increaiing 
during  the  Period  to  which  the  Accompt  relates,  but  that  daring  each 
facceeding  Government  they  have  advanced  more  rapidly  than  under 
the  preceding;  the  Average  Increafe  under  the  Government  of  Mr* 
Stiatton  being  exceeded  by  that  under  Mr*  WhitehiU's  Government, 
in  the  /Proportion  of  Three  to  Two,  a»d  by  that  under  Sir  Thomas 
Rumbold  by.  nearly  Two  to  One;  in  the  (amc  Period  of  Time. 

No  exad  Account  of  the  Balances  .to  a  later  Period  appears  hitherto 
to  have  .been  .received  at  the  India  Houfe ;  but  in  a  Letter  from  the 
Freiident  and  Council  at  Fort  Saint  George,  in 
their  Civil  Department,  to  the  Court  of  Dire6tors  :  General  Letter 
of  die  9th  of  January  1781,  the  Stances  due  by  from  Fort  Saint 
the  Zemindars  and  Renters  under  Mafulipatam  George,  9th  Jan. 
alone,  are  &id  to  amount,  including  the  Teeps  1781,  Par.  14329. 
due,  to  no  leis  than  Madras  P.  15,28,597.  17.  -  '- 

To  what  Gaufes  this  growing  Deficiency  in  the  Revenues  of  tlfe 
Northern  Ciicars  ought,  chiefly  to  be  imputed,  your  Committee  cari« 
not  take  upon  them  to  fay.  They  obferve  in  the  Letters  to  the 
Prefidency  tronn,  the  fnbordinate  Councils,  much  faid  of  the  Poverty 
and  large  Debts  of  many  of  the  Zemindars ;  the  refradory  Difpofition 
of  others,  particularly  in  the  Chicacole  Circar  are  alfo  reprefeated, 
as  coAtributing  to  Avell  the  Arrears.  Your  Com- 
mittee beg  Leave  to  refer  to  what  is  faid  in  the  Se-  2d  Report^  Pa^ 
cond^Report*  withrefpeft  to  the  Poverty  of  many     10.  ^- 

of  the  Zemindars.    The  PreAdent  and  Council  of  '  ; 

Fort  S^t  George,  in  their  Letter  to  the  Court  of  Directors  of  the 
17th  of  Odlober  1778  write,  that  few  of  the  Zemindars^  except  thoib 
whofe  paternal  Inneritance  was  too  confiderable  to  •[ 

bewailed,  were  in  Circumilances  of  Refponiibility  Append.  N^  17. 
to  anfwer  their  Engagements  to  the  company. 
They  fay  that  various  Caufes  had  contributed  to  produce  that  Effed^ 
but  that  One  alone  was  fufficient  to  account  for  it;  the  Practice  qjt 
exaflingin  Advance  from  the  Zemindars  Two> thirds  of  their  Annual 
Jenunabundy  (Rent}  and  the  Nece^ty  by  that  Means  laid  lipon  them 
i  ol 

ijg  P  A  Jl  L  I  A  M  E  J^  T  A  R  V  A,  1781- 

of  taking  m  frosi  cbf  Sonc^ri  ($aiiker$)  9r  tny  other  wBa  wontd  k&d 
IJkemj  confideraUa  Smni  of  Mon^  9f.  %n  escorbkant  latereft  of  Two 
or  Tbree  per  Ct^u  pot  MoqUi,  giving  A%P«ciits  M  the  iiKip»ft> 
by  Way  oF  Security  for  Repayment. 

Another  Canfe  is  in  the  fame  Letter  mentioned  as  having  contii- 
bttted  to  the  Piflrefs  of  the  Ztmni^f^,  and  that  i^  ^  (bort  Term 
of  the  Settlements  mad«  wit^  timm  (^^  their  Lan4s»  w^ask  had  led 
them  to  attend  only  to  th^  own  mpifM^tit  Intereft^  withocit  togard- 
ing  the  Consequences  to  the  Revenae  in  future. 

The  S^  Exportation  of  Specie  from  the  Country,  which  is  ftated 
by  Mr.  oadlier  at  10  or  15  Lacks >of  Pagodas  per  Annum,  and  which 
does  certainly  take  place  to  a  great  Amount,  muft  1:^4  tom4flir  Pay- 
ments more  difficulty 

Under  this  He;|d  of  the  Arrears,  your  Committee  muft  refer  to 
what  has  been  iaid  in  the  Second  Report,  with  refpeft  to  the  Meafure 
of  call  ng  down  the  Zemindars  to  Madras,  leaving  it  to  the  Houft  to 
judge  upon  what  is  th^re  &id,  bow  £ur  that  Mealaxe  mav  have  cob- 
uib]uted  to  iWfU  their  Amount.  Other  FaEs  ftatad  in  that  Rq«rt, 
and  in  its  S^plinnfiit,  feem  to  un^v  that  private  Eaaltions  h«re 
alfo  contributad  to  the  fame  Kvil.  That  iheh  Exafiions  have  a^ual-  > 
ly  been  ma4«  by  fihf  Servant*  of  the  Goffl|>any,  the  FaSs  hete  idladed 
to  Teem  %o  leave  no  Poflbt»  To  what  Amount  they  may  hive  gene, 
it  is  impoffible  (<H  y<^^  Committee  to  6y.  To  invcftigaie  that  Mat- 
.t«r  to  its  fu}l  l^Kteut  wouU  require  other  Kind  of  Eviibnca  thaa  the 
Records  at  the  India.  Houfe,  or.ths  Wttneflts  thcf  have  had  it  in 
their  Power  to  examine,  Jtould  be  expeded  to  aiSord. 

Siact  thi«  Report  was  drawn  up  and  ready  prftlebted  to  the 
HooTe,  your  Cominittef  have  had  an  Opportunity  kt  e^aaaatiiog 
Edward  Cotsford,  £iquir9«  who  is  recently  T&tnmti  fkam  India, 
where  h^hadrffidfd  from  the  Mouth  of  Augsft  tyy^  Id  the.  lactor 
End  of  the  Year  1780,  as  Chief  of  MafnUpatam.  ^I%e  Whole  of  his 
jK^id^nf^ej  aud  ilia  Anders  givtn  by  1^  to  the  QoBBsdar  pnt  to  him 
>y;h^  Committer,  refpefting  tl^  prefent  State  of  the  Company's 

P^fTeffioni  ou  the  Cozik  of  Coromandslji  am:  ialerttd 
^paad.  N^  a3«    in  ikp  Appandix.  .Some  Part  of  thdFe  Anfweis 

tends  10  throw  no  fmall  li^ht  apoa  thq  preAut 

Mr.  Cotsfprd  being  a&ed,  Jf>  under  the  Mahomcdap  Govemtaeat, 
ahe  Zf  mind^irs  and  ReQtens  were  ful^e^^  to  any  Paymeftts  bafcdaa  the 
Kents  of  the  Piflri^ls  which  th^yheld?  anfwered,  Thathelieliayeii 
the  Deputies  of  t^  Qovorament  did  receive,  over  and  abcore  the 
TfiW^  p^yi^tde  ^  thfi  Qovemmeat,  a  further  Sum,  undef'theNaaie 
4»f  Na9;ar^  pr  Pre|eat,  which  they  pretended  was  for  the  Payment  of 
their  Troops ;  but  ^at  their  Ability  to  pcocure  this  Nasar,  was  in 
.^lojportip^  ^>  the  Strength  of  ^eir  Army-^That  thefe  Profents  wcie 
arbitrary,  and  bor^  no  certaiiBt  Proportion  to  the  Tribute  payable  to 

;  ^ii;ig  afl;^,.  If,  ^ftcr  th^  Ctrcars  came  under  the  Gov^nuttent  of 
^^ropeans,  apy  Remains  of  the  Naear,  or  Pref^nts,  exifted  ?  he'  fiud, 
,-|ic  believe^  U  4^4  ^xift  ;.uSiivd  tliai  he  thinks  hs,  had),  fe^a-a  Paver  ^ 


A;  1782.  D    E    S    A    T    ft    S.  159 

Mr.  tfi  BhfTy's',  ih  whitfi  i  Fart  .6f  the  Tribute  was  brought  to  Ac 
couht  trhdcr  the  Hehd  <>f  PfefrAt. 

Bclhg  a&ed;  If  after  thitf^  Country  came  to  be  under  the  Britifhf 
Gdvertment/ the  fame  PrtdUci-  had  cdmlrracdh  he  faid.  He  believed- 
it  had  exUlediA  a  greater  or  l^fr  Degree  ever  fince. 

S^Stijj;  *flfc«!.  Under  what  Hc'id  thofe  Prefents  were  entered  in  the 
Cohibirty'*  AI^QOttftts  ?;h^  {sAi,  There  was  no  fuch  Head  of  Accotmt^ 
nor  did  hd"  ilnd^Mand  that  an)r  (tich  Articles  wisre  fevel*  brought  to  the 
Cre£t  of  the  Coibpany;  that  thofc  Prefents  are  cronfidefed  as  a  Per. 
iqttiiite\of  thii  Station,'  and  not  iii  any  Refpeft  as  a  Part  of  the  Tribute. 

Being  afked,  Wheth^,  iip6ix  the  Suppofition  of  the  Zemind«rs  hoc 
having  oeen  called  dowA  to  fettle  their  Tribute  ^  IVTadras,  he  would 
iiave  th<yaght  himfelf  at  Libferty,  in  Confiftence  with  His  Duty,  t6 
accent  faoi  Gratuities  from  th^  Zemindars  ?  hi^  Anfwer  was;  Thatr 

Mrith  It  ^  Dit  that  he  did  not  mean  to  fay>  he  ihould  have  declined  the 
cttflpmary  Advahtages  of  hi>  Situation.        ■ 

Y6uf  CpinanJittee  will  m^ke  no  Commentary  ikvon  this  Evidenibe  • 
initliRtv^  it1dtheHott(et6cotfiSder>  how  far;  when  combined  yith' 
the  Fafis.  ftatM  in  the  8ttpj(>Iement  to  the  Second  Report,  it  tends'  td 
«x^2dh  the  DSCbeft  of  the  2emittdats. 

To  Hirhatcver  Caufei  the  genei>al  Diftreft'of  the  Zemindars,  and  the 
iftcreiifing  Difficulty  of  obtaining  Payment  6'om  them,  id  owing,  ther* 
Faft  feehi*i  td  yotir  Cotttfiittee  to  be  certain.  *  '    • 

Th6  Ne^tiations  of '  the  Chief  and  Cduncilof  Mafulipatam  with 
the  Z^mindats  and  Renters  of  that  Diftrift»  and  the  Means  ufed  by 
them  to  inforce  Payment  of  their  Balances,  as  contained  in  their 
Reventie  Confultatiohs,  framjfane  to  December  1780,  brought  Home 
by  the  laft  Dxfpatches  are  exceedingly  volnmihons.    It  appears  in 
the/e  Confaltations,  that  after  various  fruitleft  Endeavours  to  obtain' 
Faynlient''fit>m  fnndry  of  the  principal  Zemindars,  the  Chief  and 
Cbtm:dlh2K'  found  it  fteceflary  to  proceed  to  Meafures  of  Compulfion, 
by  cbniming  their  PeHbUS  tmder  Guards  of  Sepoys,  and  threatening 
to  fequeftrate  their  Eftates.     By  thefe  Meafures  they  feem  to  have  got 
the  Security  of  Soucars.  for  P^rt  of  the  Arrears : 
but  tiiey  at  the  fameTimeinform  tixeTrefident  ana    Letter  from  Ma* 
Council,  that  ntoft  i)f  thofe  whofe  Tributes  had    fdipatam,    25th 
been  I'itcfly  raifedj,  hadiatimated  an  Intention  of    Sept.    177 S>    ^i. 
apph^  for  a  Redoftion  of  them  to  the  Rate  at    J^brtSaintOeorge' 
which  they  had  formerly  4ood ;  ai|d  ajC  tl^e  (kme    Conruhatiohs,3d[ 
Time  exprefs  th^ir  Apoi^ettfion^  that,  unlefs  feme    Oftober  1 780.  ; 
Meafare  of  that  Kind'^ere  adopted,  tUey  would  ' 

not  in  future  be  drfe  to  procure  Payment  without  a  Renewal  of  th^ 
fame  Sort  of  Violencfe  they  had  lately  been  compelled  to  employ ;  a 
Meafure  which,  however  eflfeftual  it  ihight  be  to  bring  Money  into 
the  Treafury,  they  cpnfider  as  produ^ve  of  ruinous  Confequehces, 
by  alienating  the  Mind$  of  the  People,  aftd  filling  the  Country  with 
fecret  Enexpzes,  * 


l6q  PARJ-IAMENTARY  A-  ijii. 

From  tbe.Accoant  above  inferted,  rtfpeSdng  the  PeHbns  to  whom 
the  territorial  Revenues  have  been  let  on  Leaae,  it  apj^irs,  that  the 
Jaghire  Lands,  with  the  Difirift  of  Poonamallee,  being  by  fothe 
greatefl  Part  of  the  Territory  immediately  under  the  Prefidency,  has 
been  almofl  uniformly  let  to  the  Nabqb :  For  Guntoor,  Vincatacbil- 

lum»  to  whom  thefe  I^ds  appear  to  have  been  kt 
General  Letter  for  Seven  Years  in  the  Ye^r. 1764,  feems  to  have 
^m  Fort  Saint  been  ^merely  an  ipterpofed  Name  for  tKe^abobj 
George,  i6thjan«  wbo  gave  nis  own , Security  for  the  Rest*.  Yoor 
1765,  Par.  17.  Coinmittee  iind  in  the  Records  of  the  pompany^ 
D^azdjan.  1767.     frequent  Reprefentations  ^made  ^y  tbe  Governor 

and  Caun<;il  to  the'JDire^oVs^  of  thepifadviintages 
^riling  from  thefe  Lands  beine  po^efTed  by  ^e  Nabob.  Even  before 
l^e  Expiry  of  the  Leafe  to  VincatachiUfixpy^^diefe  Difadya^itageshad 

been  mfi&ed  u£Ottj.  an^  .?P°a  ^^  Expiration  of 
Append*  N^  18.    that  Leafe  inijj^pjhQUpvtrnor  and  Council 

write»  .that*  **  i^  is  Jl^eyond  a  Doi^^  that  the 
**'  Advantages  that  might  be  riUpe^  ^oin  iupli  terx;itorial  Poileifioos^ 
*'  will  never  be  obtained  fo  long  as  qie  Nabpb  jus  any.  thing  to  do 
^  with  them."  They  reprefent  the  L^pitants  as  undergoing  eonti- 
njoaj  OpprefiioRS  ;  that  the  Lands,  tHoughxapable  of  g^eatvln^prove^ 
jnents,  experienced  none;  that  the;  ^^ceat  Reiervo|rs,>^y  wl^di  the 
Lands  are  fuppJied  with  Water,  were  goxx\g  to  Decayj.  fh^t  ajjnoft  all 
the  Weavers  who  manujEadUired  the  "Madras  Invefiment^  xdided  withiu 
the}aghire;  an  J  that  more  might  be  indued  to  .com^:^  ^ad  they 
proper  Encouragcmenjt,-. -which  it^was  not  in  tneir  Power  jto  give  them; 
that  they  had  as  liule  Iniluence  in  thefe  Landa,  as  in  thoie^bf  ^the  im- 
mediate Property  of  tW  Nabob  j  arid  that,  except  the  mere  R^at,  no 
one  Bene&t  was  derived  from  them ;  and  that  in  cafe  theyihould  have 
Qccafion  for  theu*  Produce,  they  had  no  more'  Reafon  to  e^pedit, 
than  from  the  Nabob's  Country. 

In  the  Letter  from  Fort  Saint  George j»  to  the 
Append.  N^  18..    Pireftors,.  dated  the  i4tfa'qf prober,  ^77^^,  thefe 

Lands  ^re  reprefented  as  i]ji.a,mofi:  wretched  State, 
and  thelntiab^tant^.as  muchoppre^ed.     And^  *  ..\  - 

Sir  Eyre  .poote,  in  bi^  Leitter  to  the  Com^iittee 
Append.  N°  19.    ofjCorreipondoaceft  thetij^iaHovfe,  pf  ^e  30th 

of  November  1780,  lameijting  the  Neceffity  theie 
was  of  both  the  Army  and  Inhabitants  being^^  in  the  State  in  which 
the  Country  then  was,  maintaine4  chiefly  by  Supplies  from  Bengal, 
ibites  that  Neceflity,  a^  a  convihcingProof  ciif  the  bad  Policy  of  rent- 
ing thefe  L^nds  to  the  Nabob,  and  thereby  rendering  themiblves  en- 
tirely dependent  upon  him  for  every  Kind  of  Supply. 

por  farther  Particulars  refpefting  thefe  Lands,  and  the  Condud  of 
tjic  late  Government  of  Madras,  in  letting  them  anew  to  the  Nahob 
fpr  Three  Years,  your  Committee  beg  Leave  to  refer  to  the  Second 
Keport,  Page  37. 

;  In  the  fame  Report  (Page  26)  it  has  been  feen,  that  when  the 

.Government , of  Madras  had  obtained  Poiieffion  of  the  Gi^ntoor  Circar 

.  -.  ■  from 

A,  178?. 



from  Bazalet  IwRg,  that  Country  too  was  agreed  to  be  let  to  tke 

Your  Con^mjlttee  having  dated '  the  N^tture  and  Amount  of  the 
Revenues,  under  the Trefidency  of  Fort  Saint  George,  proceeded  next 
to  inquire  into  their  Expenditure.     And  you;r  Committee  having 
found,  in  the  Third  Report  of  the  Comn)ittee  of  Secrecy  ^ppOinte^ 
in.  the  Year  1773*  to  inquire  into  the  State  of  the  Eail  India  Company^ 
a  General  State  of  the  Receipts  and  Diihu^-femeilts  at  each  of  the 
Chief  Settlements  of  the  Cbmpany  in  India,  fo;*  Ten  Years  ©reading 
the  Mbnth  of  April  1771,  thought,  rtiat  the  moft  diftind  Method  for 
them  to  follow,  would  be  to  lay  before  the  j^o^fe^  a  fimilar  State  of 
Receipts  and  Diiburfements  for  the  Prefidenty  of  Fort  Saiat  George, 
commencing  at  the  Period  at  which  that  in  the  Report  of  the  forme^r 
Committee  ended.     Such  a  State  therefore  coja^mencing  in  May  1771^ 
and  ending  in  April  1778,  which  ycvur  Committee  \^2^  ij^formed  was 
a 5  low  as  it  could  be  brought^  having  been  produce^  m  Compliance 
with  the  Orders  of  your  Committee,  oy  Mr.  Johiji  Annis,  Auditor  of 
Indian  Accompts,  the  &me  is  here  laid  before  the  Hoafef 

Vol..  VI. 


»  - 














•>  Aa^ 

orge,  for  Seven  Years,  from  May  1771  to  April  1778. 





Civil  and  Military  Chai^ges. 




Amovut  of 

Amount  of 


RnArl  Tiffkf 

fundry  Lodes 

ariAnir  t\n 

Amount  of 

counts } 

OUnQ  JvCwb 


at  Fa£torfe 


Stores  fup- 
plied  for  Uie 

in  the  Year. 

Goods  fold 




on  Indian 

in  the  Year. 

And  Fortifi- 


Goods,  &c. 




^-   . 

























1 2,699 




































570,070     52,837 





otal  of  Civil  and  Military  Charges  and  Boildings. 







?  57*420 




aod  to: 


the  Aa 
to  /:,: 

A.  i7«i.         n  t  n  A  ^-  &'^si  ./   .      tii 

The  Sunjsr  iii  tic  foregoing  Account  bring  cxjprcft  in  BStiOi  lAotifiy^^ 
in  Conformity  to  the  fii|ii|at  Atc<>ap6  in  thtTiirdRepbrtof  jthi 
former  Committee  of  Secrecy,  of  whith  thiHsa'Coritituationi  ybui^*' 
Committee  thiifk  it  proper .To^ifcmtiotx,  with  zViat'm^'iSampakfoTL  ■ 
between  this  Account  and  Ac  fortner,  relative  to  the  Receipts  of  thd ' 
Company  9  thjat  T^oiPftgodafi  aild  an  Half  are  eqaal  ta  One  Potndl. 
Sterling;  "  .  ' 

By  the  fox^egoiiig  State,  it  appears  how  mncK  of^Se-ReveAoe  hM 
been  aiinaally  expended  upon  the  Civil  add  Military  Charges  ^nd  - 
Fortifications;  ^nd  confequently  how  much  haB  remamed  to  be  ap- 
plied to'  the  Puiichafe  of  th^  Invcftmerit  for  Euj^pc,  and  to  the  o&er 
Porpofes  of  th^e  Company^  .  .      .  • 

lii  order  to  fliew  idU  more  difHhftly  the  Applictftibxt  of  the  Comf> . 
piny^s  Revenues,  unmixed  with  their  Commercial  Receipts^  your 
Committee  will  -here  iubjoia  an  JJLcGOtt&t,  in  which  are  ealmd,.  firftf 
the  Nett  Revenues,  as  in  the  preceding  Qeacral  State,  ancji  then  ^he 
Civil  and  Military  Charges;  with  the  Expence  of  Bnildingji  anjd  Fprf 
tifications;  diftinguifhihg  fuck  Part  of  the  Military  Charges  asi  i^puc 
to  the  Accottilt  pfthsi  Nabob*  &oiithoft  that  dic^  defrayed  out  of  the  ;' 
Company's  proper  Revenues. 

The  fame  Account  ihcws  thi»  TASItriRti  bctwien  the  Neti  Reivehuffift '' 
and  the  Charges  b0tikt  by  the CfOxapaiy  6x (tedt Y^  lewiiklf  it  ^ 
relates.  ^  ....»- 

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li  I  Ml  iitfri 

(MM  lit  Mil 

C.  ^hCJ  o«  O  m  (4  m  ^  i*^^0  r<oo 

tT'O  NOVO  t«-r>.«*^t>.c^to'*>'^''^ 
•^  t'.  K  h^  r^  t>,  t^  r>»*f>s  lf>  IV  |N«  IN. 



A.  hySu  D '  E'  »    A  ♦T    B    Sv        '  1% 

'  Itls  proper,  to  obferve,  for  the  better  ttnde^anding  this  Ac^count, 
And  the  general  State  of  Receipts  andDiA)urfe9ients,  that  your  Com* 
mittee  was  informed^  that  in.  the  Account  |aft  inferted,  tlie  Sums 
ftated  as  defrayed  by  the  Nabob  in  Part  of  the  Military  Charges,  are 
the  Sums  ^ith  which 'he  is' debited  on  that  Head;  whereas  w  Sums 
entered  in  the  Third  Colomir  of  Receipts,  ip  tj^e  General  Stat&of 
Receipts  and  Dilburfements,  are  the  Payments  ^dkuaUy  made  by  the 

From  a  Compariibn  between  the  Free  Revenuej^  which,  by  the 
.Account  lall  infcrted,  appears  to  have  remained  to'  the  Company, 
after  defraying  the  Civil  and  Military  Charges^  and  Expence  of 
Buildings  and  Fortifications/  with  the  Expence  of  the  Inveftmentfor 
Europe,  -as.  eptered  in  the  laft  Column  but  One  of  the  General  State 
of  Receipts  and  Difburfements,  it  is^manifeA  that,,  except  in  One 
Year  {viz,  the  Year  1772-3)  during  the  whole  Period  to  which  th© 
Account  relates,  the  Surplus  Nett  Revenues,  above  the  Charges, 
have  never  been  equal  to  the  Purchafe  of  the  Inyeftment  for  Europe. — 
It  further  appears,  that  in  the  Two  firfl  and  Two  laft  Years  of  the 
Account,  within  the  former  of  which  the  lirft  War  with  Hyder  Ali 
happened,  and  within  the  latter  the  Expeditions  to  Pondicherry  aod 
Mahe,  thofe  Charges  and  Expences  exceed  the  Nett  Revenues  in  no 
lefs  than  jQ,  941,781.  It  appears  upon  Calculation,  that  the  Average 
Surplus  Revenue  for  each  of  the  Eight  Years  from  1769  to  1777, 
during  which  the  Companyv  was  ait  Peace,  is  jf .  112,205  ;  whereas 
the  Average 'of  the  Inveftment,  calculated  upon  the  whole  Period  of 
the  General  State  of  Receipts  and  Dilburfemerits,  is  j^.  249,554  Year- 
ly, or  more  than  double  the  former  Sum  :  And  taking  in  the  Four 
Years  of  War  above-mentioned,  the  Revenues  under  the  Prefidency  of 
Fort  Saint  George,  exclufive  of  their  Commercial  Receipts,  have  been 
fo  far  from  fufficient  to  furnilh  an  Inveltment,  that  in  the  whole  Period 
fince  1767,  they  have  fallen  (hort  of  the  Charges  by  £,  44,139. 

Your  Committee  obferving  no  Notice  taken  in  the  Account  laft  in- 
t  ferted,  of  that  Part  of  the  Military  Charges  which  is  defrayed  by  the 
Rajah  of  Tan jore,  were  informed  by  Mr.  Annis,  the  Auditor  of 
Indian  Accounts,  that  the  faid  Account  of  Charges  is  excluiive  of 
thofe  incurred  in  Tan  jore,  with  the  Exception  of  j^.  ^6,100,  or 
Pagodas  2,40,250,  in  ^he  Year  j776-7--'That  this  Exception  was  ocr 
cafioned  by  an  Error  in  the  Accounts  fent  flome  from  Madras,  which 
ilated  that  no  Expences  on  Account  of  Tanjore  were  included  there- 
in ;  but  that  by  fubfequent  Accounts  received,  it  was  found  that  the 
'above  Sum  of£,  96,100  had  been  included  in  the  Military  Charges  of 
that  Year,  which  confequently  ought  to  have  been  flated  SLt£,  4^4,905, 
iilftead  of£,  521,00^,  as  in  the  Account.  , 

With  the  Exception  of  thi?  Error,  the  Omiffion  of  the  Tanjore 
Charges  makes  no  material  Difference  in  the  Refult,  with  refpeft  to 
the  Company.  The  Addition  of  thofe  Charges  would  Have  had  the 
EfFedl  of  making  the  total  Amount  of  Charges  appear  fo  much  higher  ; 
but  the  Company's  Share  of  thofe  Charges,  and  the  DiiFerence  be- 
tween that  Share  and  the  Nett  Revenues,  would  have  Remained  the 
fame ;  with  the  Exception  only  of  the  Sum,  in  wMLch  the  Subiidy 


i68  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782. 

Yoar  Committee  will  here  fubjoin  the  prefent  Military  fift^blifhrnent 
under  the  Prefidency  of  Fort  Saint  George,  with  the  Pay  of  the  feveral 
Corps  5  by  which  the  Expence  ef  that  Military  Eftabliihmcnt  will  ap. 
pear  at  One  View."* 


»  • 




s  and 





„r    r- 



■H^M   mm^imm 















•    1 



-0    ' 





Otal  N 




















60 1 














^■^i^s  * 








—  - 
















—  ■ 

— ■ 





























L  T  I  V  B. 


•  ■ 

























5orge,  for  Seven  Years,  from  May  1771  to  April  177  S. 



Civil  and  Military  Charges. 





Amount  of 

Amount  of 


RnMrl  n^lif 


ari6ng  on 


at  Faftorfe 

Amount  of 

T  f%CS><i    fin 

IC  VCI  cll '  X^l'** 

counts } 



ArflrJ  fC4     u  Ji 


Stores  fup- 

in  the  Year. 

Goods  fold 



and  Fortifi- 

plied  for  the 

on  Indian 
Goods,  &c. 

in  the  Year. 


£■  ^ 

.^'      ^ 














:  2,508 




— - 


— . 



677*1 »4 


1 2,699 











































^tal  of  Civil  and  Military  Charges  and  Baildings. 




749*  >  77 





and  flat 
of  ^.26 
Ally  C; 
was  pai 
the  An 

to  L^K 


A.  1732. 



Pay,  Gratuity,  Additional  Pay,   Eatta,  and  other  Allbwances,  of  the  diftercnt  Ranks  in 
the  feveral  Corps  co.npDfing  the  Army  on  the  Madras  Eftabliihmcnt. 




For  a  Month  of  30  Days. 


.  .4  * 





1                Horlc ; 
»            Allowance. 



.  c 




"Captain.  .   - 

55  JLi  ao 

j^    9  - 

V  — 


21  — 


Lieut.      -     -     - 

33  *7  — 

7  18  - 


.     32    T 


r-  15  — 

Cavalry     < 


30  ^  T 

3  27  — 



2   29   29 


—  15  — 

^Corporal       -      - 
_,    Ipiivaie Trooper  - 

7  *~~  **" 



2   29   2C 



5  —  ■— 


2  ^9  20 




''Lieiitf  Colonel    - 

79  24  60 

"t  " 




21  — 


60  24  30 


— ■ 

120  —   — 


2    1  — 


41  24  — 

II     9  - 

—  • 



2    1  -^ 


to  30  — 

7  18  — 




—  15  — 

Lieut.  Fireworker 

IC  -—  — » 

3  »7  — 




—    15   -r. 

Artillery   ^  Serj.ant 




2   29    20 


•— • 


6    9- 



2   29    2C 



Drummer      -     - 

3  »7  — 



2   29   2C 




5  22  40 



2    29    20 




^  -.  -» 



2<  29   2C 



.  MattroTs     »- 

3'  17  — 


2   29   20 



'Colonel      -       - 

93  *7  — 



180           — 


2      1-— 

Lieut.  Colonel    - 




150           — 


2       1    — 


56    9  — 

—    , 


120           — 

— • 

2,1   — 


37  '8  — 

11     9- 




2       1    — 

European  ^ 


18  27  — 

7  18  ~ 

5  IS 



—    15   — 




3  *7  — 

4  — 


— • 

—  15  W 



6    9- 



2   29   20 



Corporal       -      - 

4  13  40 



2   29   2C 



Drummer      -     - 

4*»3  40 



2   29   20 



^  Private  Centlne) 

3    4  40 



2   29   20 



37  '8  — 

II     9  — 




2       1   — 


18  27  — 

7  18— 




—    15   — 



3  27  — 




—    15    — 


7     9  — 



a  29  20 



Commandant     - 


— • 











poys        ^ 


5'—  — " 



2  18  — 




3  — "  "" 

— • 


I    4  20 




*  12  — 



I    4  20 



Drummer     -    - 

3  "-*  ~~* 

— . 


2  29  10 




I  25  16 



I     4  20 



,  Sepoy 

I  25  16 

.      —        - 


I     4  20 



»   Batta 

|-  N.  B. 

IS  only  allowed  to  the  Troops  when  pn  March,  in  the  Field,  or  on  particular 
except  to^Otficers  commanding. 

Befides,  the  above  Field  Officers  (hart  ia  the  Commiffion  on  the  Rcycoucs, 

Cobnel  -  ^  Pa£-  »»555  «5  4©  pr  Aimum, 

Lieut.  Colt 

1,33^  34  a6^ 
6!55  17  »A  P« 

rot.  VI. 



A.  1782. 


For  a  Month  of  30  Days. 

•  i 



•^  -  S^ 


e  . 
c  0 

V  u 



*  Lieut.  Colonel 
Major       - 
engineers  J  Captain     - 
1  Lieut. 

lEnfign       - 



5«    0- 

37  18  — 
18  17  ^ 

«5 r 


If    9-^ 

7  i»- 

3  »7  T- 



lao  —  — 

31  ^  ^ 



»     I  - 

1  1  - 

2  1-. 

f  Head  Serang  or  7 
]    Commandant  3 
Lafcan      J  Serang       •     '    • 
1  Tindal .     . 
^Lafcar-     - 

>o  r-  t: 


2  18  •— 


2  18  r* 

2  x8  — 

I    4  20 



J    . 

V        « 


A.  tyBii 

D    E    B    A    T    E    $• 


Su^and  contingent  Allowances  to  the  Corrimiffioned,  "^^arrant^  and  Kon-commiilioned 
Staff  6f  the  feveral'Curps  compofing  the  Army  on  the  Madras  £ftabli£bment. 

I*  I 

T'i,  ~  Ti"^  ii 

•^  -  iK\*--^'      *• 

For  a  Mdnth  of  30  Day«. 



Euirdpciff  Infantry 


f'  Adjutant        i  '      - 
Surgedn        * 
J  Infpeftor  of  Stores 
-     J  Dire^or  of  Laboratory 
I  Conduaor         -"^^      - 
l  S»eT|eant  Msijdr 
I  X^arter-Mafter  Serje^t 
^  Drum  Major        - 

"  Adjutant         ^ 


^  ^    Serjeant  Mijor 
*  '  Qi^arter  Mailer  Sctjeant 

R4>ughRid*r       -      ' 


Camp  Coldurmaq 

TAdjutart         * 
j  Quarter-Maftcr 
-V  Surgeon 
{  Serjeant  Majdr 
I.  Quarter-Mafter  Serjeant 

f  Drum  Major        * 
^J  Adjutant         * 
'  \  Serjeant  Major 

l^Qi^arter-Mafter  Serjeant 

Commiflary  General 
Judge  Advocite  General 

General  and  Warrant  Staff' 

Adjutant  Gentral 
Affiftapt  Do. ,  • 
Town  Major 

'  Town  Adjutant 
Aide  du  Ca(mp 
,.General*«  Secretazy 


Pag.  f.  c. 
18  27  — . 
IS  -*•  — 
21  7  -*- 
37  l«  -^ 
10  —  — 
15  -*-  — 

18     27     — i 

ZI  ,ZO   TO 

15    12    60 

4  —   -6 

4  —  — 
6  9- 

2  30  70 

18  27  — 
15  —  — 

21      7   "^ 

4  —  — 




I  24  — 
17   I  — 

37  i«  — 
37  '«  — 


18  27  — 

37  18  — 

iV  27  — 

37  18  — 
3J  18- 

re    O 











2     I 













A.  1781. 


H  1 





5  ?^  M  I 

^0    «*»0O  0©   *•   O 



iss  1 1 1 1  a 
I  I  *is, 


uo^j  put:  lio 

"iriri  I  I 

'Vl  I 

-A^aoi^rjs  I        M    M    M 





I  I 

M^i  1 1 1 1 




M  M  >M 




43uoj^  jdd 

t{3«3    fO  XUjf 

1 1  r 
•  II    . , 

^  »nH 


I  ri 

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•^  =  s-  I  I  I  I 

,    w-i  r<^  O  00    •-•    O 
tb  w^  rn  m  M   (4  vo 

1 2ii  I  1  I  ^ 


t>«  o  M   I    I    ch  I   o 
c<  H  ••    I    I         J    vn 

»-     fi     m 





t  II I II  f  1 1    . 

2  I 

I " ' 1 

I  I  I  I  I  I  II 


o  ^; 

00     i  I  II  I  I  I  I 

i  I  i 


a*  t>-  »^ 

I  T  I  I  t  M  I     t 

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f    • 

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a;  . 


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or  for 









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A.  178a. 





M     c«Mi-itiMei       nil 


s.  i  1 1 1  r  1 1 M 



M  M   rt   cnc««0 



























N         M     ON  O     '4' 

•""  I  I  I  I  I! 



1 1 1 1 II 1 1 1 1 1 


•Xicuojwsl      I    I  I  I  I  n  I  I  II  I  iQi-g^  I  I  11  I  M  I  " 



I  1 1 1 11 1 1 1 1 1 1 1  ''I  I  t.i  1 1 1  r 

^8  gl  I  Mill  I  I 


«*\    f^ 




I  I  i  I  I  I  M  i  I  I 










I    i  I  I  I  M  i  I  I  I 

n  1 1  i  1 1 1 1 

-*  ►■  d   «n  «  «0 











I    I  \  ' 

I    --0   I    I    I    II    I 

O    Q  to 


Lpea  JO  Xbj 

^     «n  I     i 

>  I  11 ^1  I 

•^    '*  \    •floot^.osrt    1. 1 
w      viInImm        C4ll 

b\    Q  "N  i^  O   t*^  t***©  o  O  »'^ 
»>»   10  '  i^~  0\  '♦■VO    Ov  -"   N    r-  r^ 



I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I  I 



1 1 i  i li  i  i  I 



I  I  I  I  I  I ^1  I   ' 

«     |«cn|«       onln 

(js         M  o  v^  r^vo  c^  w^  »o  CO 

I       I 
I  I  I  i  1 1  I  I  1 



I      I       I      I      I      I      J      I      I 

I      1 

>    P 


la  t 


M  n 

c  c 

10    CS    <ti 

C  c  q 






C    O    t«    O    "T  M 

^  ^  en  in  M    ro 


l-i    ^   o 
•w^  pi  a  ^  •«  5 

>     M 











*»      to 

0«.  d« 


•a  ^ 

O        ki 



A.  1782. 

EST  AB  L ISHMENT  of  the  Corps  of  Engineers. 




Lkut.  Colonel 





Allow  nee. 







J7  s8  — 

15  —  - 


56     9  — 


18  27  — 


«i  18  — 

7  18- 
26    9  - 

*1  — 
6  ^ 

i»  — 
6  - 

4»  — 

ft    I 

Z       T 

4    » 
*  33 

«9     1  — 
64  10  — 

113   2Q  — 

3»  14  — 

176     6  — 

Toti!  of  the  Cirpf  of  Engineers 
IOC  1  Month 


56  9- 


11  ,x6 

475  »s  — 

Pitta  oi  Do.  for  I  Year»    Ps 

3,960  —  — 

67J  — 

936  — 

1^7  11 

5,7oS  12  — 


ESTABLISHMENT  ofL  ifcan  attached  to  Artillery  an4  other  Corps. 










lo  —  — 

287  —  — 

^17  i8  — 

4,640  —  — 

Total  Eftabliihinent  of  Lafcars  for  i  Month    5,254  18  — 

picto  of  Do*  for  I  Ycar^  Ps. 







A;    1.78a. 

D    E    B    A    t    E    S» 


£  X  P  E  N  C  E    of    1  N  V  A  L  I  t»  ?. 

JS-S    «i 

fl  «3 




0  *^  ^ 

w   0  /5 






«    Oi  0 





Cafitain          ^     v     - 








37  18  -* 


37  18  — 



I?  27  — 

37  18  - 



37  18  — 



7  -*  -^ 

131  -*»  — 



231  —  — • 



6  •—  — - 




72 >« 


Bombardiers        - 

5    9-^ 

31  z8  - 

— . 


3z  z8  — 


Gunners    . 

4  27  — 

166    9  — 



iSe,    9  — 




Total  Artillery    - 
European  Infantry. 

3  18- 

164  18  — 



Z64  18  — 

740    9  — 

740    9  -^ 





37  18  — 

iz    9 

2       Z 

5028  -* 




18  27  — 

7   27 

—   15 

26  33  -* 




18  27  — * 

3  »7 

^   15 

Z9    6  ^- 


Adjutant          «•           <> 


7  ^7 

—  '5 

26  33  — . 


S^ijeants         * 

6  — '  *- 


— ^ 


594  — .  — 



4  -ii.  ^» 






Rank  and  File      - 





i>749  —  — 



z,749  .—  ^ 


30  18 

3  zo 

2,514  28  — « 



3*  — — 

192  —  — 



J92   -4.  -«i 


Serjeant  Major     * 

10  — ■  — 



to i« 



— • 

7    9  -. 



7       9-, 



3  — .  ..i. 





17  —  — 




459  -!  — 



^  -^  -^ 

200  — •  — 



200  — » •^• 



3  —  — 



.— . 

150 ' 



2   12  — * 

116  24  -*- 



116  24  *— 



z  25  z6 

z  Mo.  Pi. 

'ear,  Pags. 

z,i47  .i8  — 


1,147  18  — 

ToUl  Se)>oys9 

2,288  15  — 

2,288  15  ^ 

Total  Expchce  of  Invalids  for 

5,5.9  24  — 

39  z8 

3  zo 

5,543  16  — 


tia  Total  Do*  Do.  for  z  ^ 

66,)i6  —  "— 

366  — 

39  «» 


66,52z  Z2  — 

Vot.  VI. 

A  a 




A.  17^2 

ESTABLISHN^ENT  (^Artificers. 


461     Anificers— not  being  particularized  la  the  Retuxnsi  the  Expencc  cannot  k 

ESTABLISHMENT  of  Bheafties,  Bildahs,  Leoapecks^  and  CooKes. 


1,500  Bheaftief:,  &c«— not  being  particularised  in  theketumSy  the  Expence  canno: 
be  afc^taincd. 

ESTABI.ISKMENT   of  Sibindy  Militia. 

•g-s  i. 

S  -5 





•  t 


0  c  <S 

0  '^  0 


•a   . 


.  .  c 

**  - 




0     • 

no   0 

•      e2 





£.teutenant  ,  - 


18  »7  ^. 

7  iB 

5  IS 


32-  3- 

•     -      T 

Eiiflgn-            " 


J5  —  — 

3  ay 

4  — 


23     6- 


Serjea.  Majors 

4—  -fc- 



— " 

— • 




7     9  — 

21     7  — 




ai     7  — 



ij 1- 



—    ' 


765  -  - 

JcmautAars     - 

5 ^ 

260  —  -— 




a6o  «—  — 




'i  25  r6 

22      3   48 


—    ■ 

2»      3  4S 



•  J  —  -*- 





378.  -  - 



'  2  la  -*- 


',  — 



494  —  - 

3,948  ISepoys            -1 

Li  25  16 

6,7  it  21    48 




6,7 If  21  4^ 

Total  Eftabliihment  of  MiHtia 
tor  I  Month 

8,s8S  23  16 

11  9 

9  ^5 


S,6^o     5  if 

C rand  Total  Do.  for  i  Year,  Ps. 

1,03,063.  26  32 

135  — 

113  — 


1,03,321  26  32 


I^.  B.    The  Havildars^  Naigues,  and  Sepoys,  not  being  fpecified  m  tbe  K«tWES% 
the  proportion  is  eiiiina:ed>ln  the  ibove.  Account. 



A,  1782. 



ESTABLISHMENT  of  Oeneral  and  Wamnt  Staf& 



Commiffary  General 
Judge  Advocate 
Adjutant  General 
Afliftant  Do. 
Town  Major 
Town  Adjutant 
Aid  du  Camp 
General  Secretary    -    - 

Total  Eftabli/hment  of  1 
General  and  Warrant  > 
Staff  for  I  Month      j 

Grand  Total  Do.  Do 
for  1  Year-      - 


U  Urn 
U    O 

u   O 
p,  en 



37  18 

37  i« 

75  — 
18  27 

37  18 
18  27 

37  18 
37  18 


300  —  •— 

3600  — .  — 

Contingent  Allowances. 

■^— »•■■»'"■•■ 











*    I     I 

'  '  .' 




»    I 

<    »    » 

2       I 


24  It 

■— n 


37  18  — 

37  18  — 
127  —  -^ 

1$  27  ii- 

^f  9-r 
24  27  — . 

4$  18-. 

57  x8- 

416   I  -^ 

4992  la  ^ 

A  «  ft 




2  E.rr'"^  J* 

24;i I  I  I  1 1 

^I'l  I  i 

iis^l Ills 

SSI'S,!  s,:  I 

|1      111  ^ 
fl     ■llll  * 

A.  1782. 



Your  Committee  having  ftated  fuch  Particulars ^  retpcGdng  the  Re<« 
ceipt  an4  Expenditm-e  of  the  Revenues  under  the  Prefidency  of  Fort 
Saint  George,  a§  the  Materials  they  had  Accefs  to  have  enabled  theta^ 
called  for  an  Account  of  the  Debtadue  by  the  Eaft  India  Company  at 
that  Prefidency  for  each  Year,  ijnce  the  Year  1771,  to  the  1  a teft  Period 
to  ivhich  it  could  be  made  up.  This  Account,  as  delivered  in  by  Mr. 
John  Anuis,  Auditor  of  Indian  Accounts,  they  now  lay  before  the 

AMOUNT  of  Debts  due  by  the  Eaft  India  Company  at  Madrai, 

at  the  following  Periods.     ' 


Debt  at  Intereft 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court 

Prize  Mignione 

Depofit  of  the  Captors  of  Manilha 

Sundry  Debts 

gun4ry  Eilatoi 






Debt  at  Intereft 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court 

iPrize  Mignione 

Depoiit  of  the  Captors  of  Manilha 

Sundry  Debts  -  - 

Sundry  Eftates  -  -. 

Pagodas  x^Sg^zoz 



,     3>o8i 

Debt  at  Intereft  -  • 

Accountant  General  of  the  Majror's  Court 
Prize  Mignione  -  ' 

D^pofit  of  the  Captors  of  Manilhi 
Sundry  Debts   ' 
Sundry  Eftat^s  ^  * 

Pagodas  3*37 '^7^ 




-  *  2,245 


Pagodas  1,96,059 



««4                    PAJLLIAMENTARY  A.  1782, 

i774-$-        .  '                          Pag. 

Debt  at  Interefl                  .                 .  -                   1 1731692 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court  -                  3,809 

prize  Migniorie                    -                    -  -                    2,245 

Sundry  Debts              •     -                    -  -   '                  1,495 

{Sundry  Eilapes             ^             -             .  -            «             391 

Pagodas  i', 8 1,632 

1775-6.  Pag. 

Debt  at  Intereft                 -                 ^  ,                   1,31,01: 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court  -            -                  3,809 

Prize  Mignione                    ^                   -  .                     2,245 

Smttiry  I>ebts                    --                  -  .        -                      i,4;6 

Sundry  Eftatcs                -               -  -                -                59 » 

Pagodas  1,38,933 

1776- f.  Pag. 

Debt  at  Intereft                  »                 •                 ^  i»29,995 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court                 •  3,809 

Prize  Mignione    -               -  _                -                   -  2,245 

•Sttiidry  Debts              V                 -                -                 -**  6,09; 

Sundry  Eftates                  ^                 ^                  ^  391 

^' '  ' '  >  '- 

Pagodas  1,42,535 

31ft  January  1778.  Pag. 

Debt  at  Intereft                  -                  ^                  ,  1,36,36: 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court                    -  3,809 

Pritt  Mignione                    -                  -                   *  3,^45 

Sundry  Debts                    -                    *■                   -  ^,093 

Sundry  Eftates                     -                    -                     -  ,  391 

Pagodas  1,48,903 

28th  February  1779,  Pag. 

pcbt  at  Intereft                   -                  -                  »  ;5,8i,7i^ 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court                    •  3,800 

•'  Prize  Mignione       .  '     .     -                   *                  ^  z,z^'} 

Sundry  Debts                    -     ..               -                    -  6,093 

Stindry  Eftates                   -  -                 -  -                 -  39^ 

Pagodas  2,94,254 


A.  17B2.  D    E    B    A    T    fi    S.  iSj 

29th  February  1780.  Fag.   - 

Debt  at  Intcrcft                  -         ,        -            '  .  *        ;  4,06,87$ 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court  .        \  .  3,809 

Prize  Mignione                   -                   -  ,.  2,24c 

Sundry  Debts                   -                   ^  .  «  •  2,572^ 

Sundry  Ellates                -                -        /j"'  * »  "  39* 

— ■— —   I  III 

\  Pagodas  4,15,895 

3 oth  November  1780^  ,  Pag. 

l)ebt  at  Intereft                  -                 -  -,                 6,29,302 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court  -    '                35^09 

Prize  Mignione                   -                    -  '  -                    2,245 

Sundry  Debts                  -                 -  -                 -                 wmm 

Sundry  Eftates                    -                     -  -                      3pi 

tagodas  6,35,74^ 

I   mm 

Eaft  India  Houfe,, 

21   January  1782.  Eitots  excepted; 

John  Anms; 
Auditor  of  indiait  AccountSr 

Your  Committee  might  h^re  conclude  what  they  have  to  fay  re*- 
^pefting  the  Revenues  of  the  Company  under  the  Prefidency  of  Madras  ^ 
but,  confidering  how  large  a  Part  of  the  Rcfourcea  of*  the  Company 
under  this  Prefidjency  depends  upon  the  Payment's  from  the  Nabob  of 
Arcot  and  the  Rajah  of  Tanjore,  they  think  it  not  foreign  to  the* 
Objeft  of  this  Report,  to  lay  before  the  Houfe  fuch  Information  a» 
they  have  been  able  to  obtain,  refpeding  the  Revenues  of  thefe  Two 
Princes. , 

In  a  Letter  from  the  Prefident  and  Council  of 
Port  Saint  George  to  the  Governor  General  and     Fort  St.  George 
Council  of  Bengal,  dated  the  7th  of  December    MiL  Coiif.    8th 
1774,  the  Territories  of  fthe   Nabob,    including'    Dec.   1774,  Fol# 
Tanjore,  then  in  his  PoiTeflion,  are  eflimated  at    "830. 
upwards  of  T>\«o  Crores  of  Rupees. 

Mr.  William  Petrie,  who  has  refided  for  above*  Fifteen  Years  iji 
India,  and  was  for  fome  Time  Secretary  to  the  Political  Department 
o^  the  Governmeat  of  Madras,  having  been  defiired  to  give  fuck  In** 
formation  as  he  could,  reipedling  the  Revenues  of  the  Nabob  of  Ar- 
cot, informed  your  Committee,  That  while  he  was  ill  the  Station 
above-mentioned,  the  Amount  of  the  Nabob's  Colle^ions  was  a  Sub- 
jedl  which  came  frequently  under  the  Con/ideration  of  the  Board—. 
ThsLt  an  exadt  Account  was  often  wiihed  for,  bur,"  he  believed,  never 
©btained— That  he  had  feen  various  ElHmates,  fome- at  36  Lacks  of 
fa£odas%imial  Revenue^  others  at  3>2.  and  fome  lower — That  h^ 




A.  1782. 

E  ST  AB  LI  S  H  M  E  N  T  of  the  Corps  of  Engineers. 





Lieut.  Colonel 






•   i 






17  28  — 

t5  —  - 


56  9  — 


18  27  — 


21   18  -^ 

7  iS- 
xS    9  - 

a  — 

6  — 

It  — 

6  - 

44  — 

ft      T 

2     I 

4    » 

—  15 
2  33 

89     1  — 

64    JO  — 

J 13  ap  — 

32  24  — 

176    6  — 

Total  of  the  Cnrpi  of  Engineers 
toe  I  Month. 


56    0  — 


11  ,x6 

475  »S  — 

ptto  oi  Do.  for  I  Year,    Ps 

3,960  —  — 

67J  — 

936  — 


5,708  12  — 


ESTABLISHMENT  of  Lifcars  attached  to  Artillery  an4  other  Corps. 


1  Conunandant 
4;  Serangs 


Total  Eftabliihment  of  Lafcars  for  i  Month 
PIcto  of  Do*  for  I  Ycdtf  Ps. 


10  —  — 

2%y  —  — . 

^17   18  ^- 

4,640  —  — 

5,254   18  — 




<  ( 

A*  iyU.  DEBATES.       -  its 

Sappoiing  xhe   Camatic  to  be  properly  ma- 1  ,  .  , 

naged,  in  Point  of  the  Re^t  arid  Revenue,  it  >  Pagodas  30,00,000 
.    will  yield  every  Yeari  about  -  j 

In  the  year  177^,  the  nctt  Colledliqiii  alaoiit         Pagodas  2^,'o6,ood 
In  the  Year  1777,.  D°  -  -     .  Db    -     ii,oo,ooa>  ^ 

Of  the  Eiablifhraent  and  fixpences  of  tKe  Nabobs  your  Committee 
lias  not  been  able  to  obtain  any  accurate  Information,  They  dbferve 
that  Mr.  Sadlier,  in  his  Minute  of  the  zpih  X)£,  July  1780,  c^uoted 
above,  iays^  that  the  Nabob's  Expences  are  by  no  Means  adequatfe 
to  his  Revenues-^That  his  Coiintry  had  Remained  in  Peace,  ey^r  -iinq^ 
the  Year  1769;  and  yet  that  his  Revenues  had  been  daily  diminiftiing» 
It  is  certain  that  the  Nabob  is  very  itiiich  in  Debt  to  Individuals, 
independcntLof  the  Demands  of  the  Company.  The  Amount  of  hi^ 
Debts  to  Individuals  cannot  be  exaflly  afceriained;  beiides  that,  froi4 
the  Nature  of  the  Thing,  they  muft  be  variable.  ,  The  Preiideht  and 
Council  of  Fort  Saint  George,  in  their  Letter 
upon  this  Subjcifl  to  the  Governor  Gerieral  and  Jiptter  from  th$ 
Council  of  Bengal,  of  Date  February  25th,  1779,  Prelident  and 
^ayi  V«  It  is  coniedured  that  the  Nabob's  whole  Council  of  Fori 
Debt,  which  has  been  accumulating  ever  iiiice  St.  Gedrge  to  the 
his  firft  Connexion  with  the  Company,  amounts  Governor  Gene^ 
at  this  Time  to  Fifty  Lacks  of  Pagodas."  ral  and  Councils 
They  add;  "  He  has  indeed  accjuired  in  his  Haiids,  ^^th  Feb.  iyyc^. 
**  by  Degrees,  a  very  eonfiderable  Share  of  the 

Property  belonging  to  Individuals  in  thie  Settlenienti  Eurppean's 
and  Natives  ;  and  from  the  Plan  he  has  invariably  purfued,  of  bor- 
rowing as  much,  and  paying  as  little  as  he  can,  his  Debt  (Continues 
to  fwell  daily;  arid  threatens,  by  its  Eripirmity,  to  becbmfc  a  per- 
petual Incumbrance  on  the  Carnatic." 
Your  Committee  find,  in  the  Records  of  the  Company,  muChCor- 
refponderice  between  the  Prefidency  of  Madras  and  the  Nabob;  upoA 
the  Subjeft  of  his  Debts  and  Arrangenients  with  his  Creditors ;  which 
Ihews,  in  a  very  flrong  Light,  to  how  great  d  Degree  he  is  diflrelTed* 
This  Situation  of  the  Nabob's  Fiiiances  is  i-eprefented  by  the  Prielideiit 
and  Council  to  the  Direftors,  as  very  alarming.     In  theit  Letter  df 
the  19th  of  September  1777,  they  fay,  "  TheNa- 
*  bob's  A fFair;^  at  preferit  appear  much  embarr^ifed    Lietter   from  the 
by  the  Debts  he  has  contra«^edi  and  the  large       Prejident    and 
AfSgnmerits  granted  upon  the  Carnatic,  as  a     Council  of  Fort 
*'  Security  for  thofe  Debts.     Whatever   Caufe$     St.    George^    iii 
**  may  have  produced  this  Erabarrailjnent,  it  can       theii*    Military  . 
admit  of  no  Doubtj  that  whilfl  the  Revenues  of    Department,  •  to 
his  Country,  upon  which  we  principally  rely     the  Court  of  Dl- 
for  Support,  are  abforbed  by  pHvate  Creditors,     re£lors,dated  19th 
"  the  Company's  Affairs  muft  be  endangered^  eveii  *  Sept:   i  y';;jf  Par, 
'*  in  Time  of  Peace.;  but  iri  Cafe  of  a  War,  we     loth, 
need  not  fay  \Vhat  muft  be  the  Confequence  of 
the  Nabdb^s  Inability  to  apply  any  Part  of  his  Revenues  to  thd 
Support  of  the  heavy  Chargestbat  would  thereby  be  incurred.*' 
Vo£.  VI.  B  b  Ttf 






A.  17^2 

ESTABLISHNtENT  of  Artificers. 


461     Artificers— not  being  particularized  in  the  Retums,  the  Expcnct  canoot  be 

■ICC'  CAiQeti. 

ESTABLISHMENT  of  Bheafties,  Bildahs,  Leoapecks^  and  Coofies. 


1,500  Bheafties,  &c«— not  being  particularised  in  theketums,  the  Expence  cm<f 
be  afcertaincd. 

ESTABI.ISKMENT   of  Sibindy  Militia. 

*3  - 



•g-s  t 

^=«  0.0 





2    ■ 

.3  -5 

.a  c . 









:    ■ 






Lteutenant  ,  - 

'E'Tnign-            •< 

Serjea.  Majors 



JemautAars     - 






7'    9  •*• 
:7 ^ 

s8  »7  -^ 



21     r  — 


260  — — 

7 .» 

3 17' 

5  IS 
4  — 



23    6- 


21    7- 

•7^5  -  "* 
260  —  - 


■••^ ""  :^ 

I  25    X>0 

'3  — 


22       3   48 



6,7 it  21  48 




22     3  4» 

378.  — 

6,7 1 r  21  4" 

Total  £{}abUihnwnt  0 
xor  I  Month 

f  Mmtia  ■ 
Year,  Ps. 

8,s8S  23  16 

11     9 

9  ^5 


8,610    5'^ 


1,03,063,  26  32 

135  — 

113  — 


i,03»32i  26  1^ 



N.  B.    The  Haviidars^  Naigues,  and  Sepoys,  not  being  fpecified  lii  the  HettfBS^ 
the  proportion  is  eitilnat^din  the  tfbi^vc  Account. 



K  ij%%.,  D    E    B    A    '!^    £    %,    ,  ^^ 

Caiapatty's  Security  to  Mefir?.  (p;^l,  Maj^ndic, 
and,Taylor,  Three  of  the  Company's  Servants,     For,t.  St.  George 
for  fo.  confidcrablc  a  Sum  as  Four  Lacks  of      Military  Co.nll 
Pagodas;  at  a  Time  too,  when  the  Gentlemen^    23d  Feb.  1,778. 
*'  then,  in  Government  obferve,  that  they  are  ap- 
*'  prehenfive  they  fhall  bp  diflrefled  even  for  fulficient  to  defray  their 
'*  own  current  Charges,  and  fupply  the  Sums  abfoljutely  vvantmg  for 
*'  the  Invellment,"     He  adds,  ***  When  they  had  gone  fuch  h  Length,: 
*'  as  they  fay,  to  accomplilh  fo  d.efirable  an  End  as  the  lledu£li:on,o£ 
'^  his  Highnefs's  Forces,  unnecef^rily  kept  up,  would  it  ;iot 
'-'  been,  proper  they  (hould  have  fcea  the  Money  wljolly  applied  tq 
'*  that  Purpofe?   But,  on  the  contrary,  we  find  i>othing  o^i  the  5,c» 
**  cords,  but  vague,  uncertain  Declarations,  that  l)is  jgighnefs  hs$ 
*'  made  a  confidcrable  Progrefs  in  the  RedufUpn  of  his  Troops-;  an^ 
^'  this  large  Sum  becomes  a  farther  Burthen  upon  the  J^evenues  and 
*'  Refources  of  the  Carnatic,"     Upon  the  Preii- 
dent's  Motion,  therefore,  it  was  refolved,  '*  Tha^     F^t  St^.  Geof^ 
*.'  the  Security  given  by  the  late  Adminiftration     Mil?.   Conf..   ^x)di 
*'  to.MeiTrs.  Call,  Majendie,  and  Xaylor,.  for  the     Mar.  1778./'  - 
*'  Sum  of  Four  Lacks  of  Pagodas,  do  »ot  receive  ;  ' 

**  th^  San^ion  of  the  Government,  but  wait  t(^  ^t  deteri^ined  l^y  tht 
-*'  Company's  own  Authority.'* 

And  your  Co^nmittee  find,  that  the  Cour.t  of 
Diredfeors,  in  their  Letter. to  Fort  Saint  George,  Letter  from  the 
of  tl^e  17  th  of  April  1778,  exprefsly  difevowthej  Cou;rt  t)f  Dircc:^. 
Tranfiiftion^  as  being  a  dir?«Sl  Breach  of  their  Or«».  tprsj  17th  Apj'iJI^ 
dera,  and  entered  into  without  any  Authority  from  J  77 8,  Par.^th^  \ 

The  Irregularity  in  the  Payment  of  the  ISra})ob'6  Trodps  gave  Rifa 
to  a  Tranfa£lion  fomewhat  fimilar,  a«^4  ^.Q^^  the  fame  i^eriod,  whicl][ 
alfo  aiptds  aja  Example  of  the  diftrefTed  S;tate  of  the  Nabob '-s  Finances. 
The  Nabob's  Second  Regim^ent  of  Cayalry,  guj^t«re4  ac  W^llore, 
txafperated  at  their  Pa/ being  Eighteen  Months-,  in  Arr^af,  h^x'i^ 
the  Month  of  November  1776,  gone  off  in 'a,  Body,  with  their  I^Txn% 
^nd  AcpQUtrements.  Lieutenant  Colonel  Jame^y  then  commanding^ 
at  Trichinopoly,  alarmed  at  this  Event,  and  with  a  Report  that  Tv^q 
other  Regiriients  were  ready  to  purfue  the  fame  IVJeafuj-es,  did,  by  the 
Advice  of  the  Nabob's  Manager,  imm.ediatply  fend  after  th^m,  in- 
viting them  to  return ;  an<i  promifing,  upon  their  fo  doing,  to  pay 
them  inftantly  Five  thoufajid  Pagodas,  ai»d  to  te  anfivcrabl©  for  Qn9 
thouftind  every  Month,  until  their  Affairs  iho.uld  1>5  fettled  by  th? 
Nabob-,  He/ent,  at  the  famfi  Time,  to  each  of  the  other  Two  Re- 
giments, J 500  Pagodas  in  order  to  papify  them;:  prft](nifi;ig  tp.d^  a^ 

',  he  could  to  affift  tiiem  in  itheir  Diflrefs,     The  At- 
lemptof  Lieutenant  Colonel  James,  to  bring  back     Fort  St.  Geoi-gf 

;  the  Regiment  of  Ca^ralry,  failed;  b<jt,  upon  the     Mil.Department, 
Matter  being  reported  to  the  Psefident  and  Conn-     25  th  Nov.  i776» 

;  <:il,  they  •*  ordcared  their  Secr^t^ry  to   acquaint 
^'  him,  that  his  ConduA  in  fending  and  promifing  Money  to  t\^ 
f*  iiujt,ti90^s<^avalry  of  the  );labi3b,  9ierit€|d  their  enti^Approbatioijiv^ 



The  Means  ufcd  to  keep  the  other  Two  Rcgi- 
Fort  St.  George  men ts  quiet,  appear  to  hscve  been  efTedaal -for  2 
Mil.  Conf.  7th  very  ftiort  Time ;  for  ih  the  Month  of  April  1777; 
April  1777.  ybur  Committee  find  that  a  ^neral  'Mutiny  brok^ 

out  in  one  of  them,  commanded  by  Captain 
Dugald  Campbell,  in  which  Captain  Campbell  himfelf  and  fevcralof 
the  Officers  were  wounded,  and  all  of  them  put  into*  clbfeConfi ne- 
inent;  and  their  Lives  threatened,  in  cafe  of  any  Attempt  being 
made  to  relieve  them.  In  this  Extremity,  it  appears  that  Lieutenant 
Colonel  James  did,  upon  his  own  Credit,  advance  them  Ten  thoufand 
Pagodas,  which  had  the  Effect  to' pacify  them  for  the  lime;  in 
which  his  Conduct  was  approved  of  by  Colonel  Stuart,*  then  Afting 
Commander  at  Tanjore ;  a"nd,  upon  hi^  Report,  by  the  Prcfidcnt  and 
Council  at  Fort  Saint  George. 

Befides  thefe  Siims,  it  appears  that  Money  had  been  advanced  at 
other  Times  by  Lieutenant  Colonel  James,  for  the  Pay  of  the  Na- 
bob's Troops ;  which  Advances  he  fcts  forth,  in  a  Rcprefentation  to 
the  Prefident  and  Council,  on  the  iith  of  April  1778,  to  have  been 
made  in  Dependence  upon  the  Promifes  of  Ameer  Ul  Omrah,  the 
Nabob's  Son,  for  his  Re-payment. 

It  appears,  however,  that  during  the  Courfe  of  Three  Years  and 
an  Half,  Colonel  James  had  applied  in  Vain  to  the  Nabob,  for  Pay- 
ment of  this  Debt,  then  amounting,  as  by  an  Accoiint  given  in  b/ 

him  to  the  PreAdent  and  Council,  to  upwards  ot 
Fort  St.  George  forty  thoufand  Pagodas.  He  frequently  repfcfent- 
Mil.  Conf.  20th  cd,  during  the  fame  Time,  the  Hardship  of  h'» 
April  1778.  Cafe  to  the  Prefident  and  Council;  the  Prefidtnt 

and  Council  as  often  urged  the  Nabob  to  difchargc 
the  Debt,  who  excufed  himfelf  on  account  of' the  Difficulties  and 
DiftrefTes  in  which  he  was  involved. 

But  your  Committee  find,  that  in  the  Month  of 

Fort  St/  George  Ndvembcr  1780,  upon  the  Nabob's  refufing  tore- 
Sel.  Conf.  20th  pay  the  Money  in  a  ihort  Tirtie,  the  Company's 
Nov.  1780.        *      Bond  *was  given  by  the  Prefident  and  Council  to 

Golbnel  James,  for  Pagodas  40,742.  25  fs.  60  cj. 
the  Sums  to  which  the  Debt  then  amounted.  ' 
*  In  the  above  Cafes,  ift  which  the  Security  of  the  Company  was  in- 
terpofed  for  the  Nabob, '  the  Reafons  'given  by  the  Prefident  and 
Council  appear  upon  the  Face  of  the  Tranfaftions  themfelves.  But 
your  Committee  find  another  and  a  more  recent  Inftance,  fo  late  a: 
the  z6th  of  June  1780,  in  which  the  Prefident  and  Council  appear  to 

have  paid  a  Debt  of  the  Nabob's,  amounting  to 
Append.  N®  20.     Pagoaas  2f  ,88of ',  for  lio  other  Reafon  that  appear 

upon  the  Face  of  the  Tranfdftion,  than  thatthf 
Creditor  was  defirous  to  have  his  Money,  and  the  Nabob  wilhed  the 
Cdmpany  to  advance  it, '  The  Debt  here  alluded  to  was  doe  to  Coh- 
ncl  James  Capper,  and  confifted,  as  the  Nabob  himfislfemlained  it, 
principally  of  Difburfements"  which  Colonel*  Capper  had  made  in 
England,  upon  his  Highiiefs's  Account,  when  he  1  aft  went  Home 
with  Difpatches  from  the  Prefidency.  The  Nabob  ^adds.  That  the 
Colonel  foon  after  his  Return  to  India  had  fettled  Accounts  with  him, 
ing  his  Bond  as  an  Acquittance  of  his  Demand :  That  the  Bon<i 

A.  178;^; 



Stt^and  contingent  Albwances  to  the  Corrimiffioned,  'W'arrant^  and  Non-commiflioned 
Staff  of  the  feverat -Corps  compofing  the  Army  on  the  Madras  Eibbiifkment. 

m  HI      1 1   <  II  — 

For  a  Mdnth  oi  30  0ay«« 



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Surgeon        - 
•  Infpeftor  of  Stores 
J  Dire^or  of  Laboratory 
j  CondUdor         -♦*      - 
I  Serjeant  Miijdr 
I  Quarter-Maftcr  Seijeint 
I,  Drum  Major        - 

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.  ^    Serjeant  Mijor 

Quarter  Mailer  Scijeant 
Rough  Rld^r 
» Camp  Co]6urmaa 

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{  Serjeant  Majdr 
{,  Quarter-Mafter  Serjeant 

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l^  Quarter-Mafter  Serjeant 

"Commiflary  General 
Judge  Advocate  General 

Adjotant  Gentral 


'  Town  Adjutaat 
Aide  du  Catmp 
,.Gencral*a  Secretary 

£ur(>peia'  Infantry 



Pag.  f,  c. 
18  »7  — . 
15  —  — 
21     7  -^ 

37  i«  -^ 

10  •—  — 

15  -*.— 
4-4  — 

18  27  -i 
zi  20  70 
15  la  60 

4  —  -* 

6 ^ 

2  30  70 

18  27  — 
15  —  — 
21     7  -• 

4  -•  — 


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17  I 

2   — 

37  i« 
37  »5 

75  — 
18  27 

37  18 

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Debt  at  Intereft 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court 

prize  Migniorie  -  -  ■ 

Sundry  Debts  •     - 

Sundry  £Aa(e«  ^  -  -  . 


Debt  at  Intereft 

Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court 

Prize  Mignipne 

Sttntlfy  Debts  -  - 

Sundry  Eftaces 



Accountant  General  of  the  Mayor's  Court 

prize  Mignione    - 

-SuiKiry  Debts  V 

Sundry  £ftates  «- 

31ft  January  177&. 

Debt  at  Intereft 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court 

Prixe  Mignione 

Sundry  Detts 

Sundry  Eftatcs 

28th  February  1779, 

I)ebt  at  Intereft 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court 
•'  Priise  Mignione       -        -     - 
Sundry  Debts  -     .. 

Stindry  Eftates 

.  y 

A.  1782. 







1 ',8 1,632 








i.  29,995 















;5,8 1,716 







A.  17B2.                 D    E    B    A    T    fi  S.                             iSj 

29th  February  1780.  Pag.   . 

Debt  at  Intcrcft                 -         ,        -  '     -          ;        4,06,87^ 

>Vccountaat  General  of  Mayor's  Court  -  .                 3,809 

Prize  Mignionc                    -                    -  ^  -                    2,245 

Sundry  Debts                    -                    -  ,  -                    ^>S7^ 

Sundry  Eilaies               -               ♦         'Z^'*.  "               39t 

\  Pagodas  4,15,895 

30th  November  1780,  .                     Pag. 

!Debt  at  Intereft                  -                 ,  ^                 ^,29,30* 

Accountant  General  of  Mayor's  Court  -                    3  5^09 

Prize  Mignione                   -                   -  »  -                   2,245 

Sundry  Debts                  -                 -  -                ^                ..^ 

Sundry  Eftates                    ,                     _  .                      ^pi 

Pagodas  6,35,747 


Eafl  India  Houfe,, 

21   January  1782.  Errors  excepted. 

J6hn  Annis;* 
Auditor  of  Indian  Accounts. 

,  • "  '       ^       • 

Your  Conrmittee  might  h^re  conclude  what  they  have  to  fay  re- 
fpefting  the  Revenues  of  the  Company  under  the  Prefidency  of  Madras ;' 
but,  confidering  how  large  a  Part  of  the  Rcfources  of  the  Company 
under  this  Prefidency  depends  upon  the  Payment's  from  t}ie  Nabob  of 
Arcot  and  the  Rajah  of  Tanjore,  they  think  it  not  foreign  to  the 
Objeft  of  this  Report,  to  lay  before  the  Houfe  fuch  Information  a» 
they  have  been  able  to  obtain,  refpedling  the  Revenues  of  thefe  Two 
Princes. , 

In  a  Letter  from  the  Prefident  and  Council  of 
Fort  Saint  George  to  the  (jovernor  General  and     Fort  St.  George 
Council  of  Bengal,  dated  the  7th  of  December     Mil*  Conf.    8th 
1774,  the  Territories  of  [the  Nabob,    including'    Dec.  1774^  Fol^ 
Tanjore,  then  in  his  Pofleflion,  are  eftimated  at    *830. 
upwards  of  Two  Crores  of  Rupees. 

Mr.  William  Petrie,  who  has  refided  for  above*  Fifteen  Years  iji 
India,  and  was  for  fome  Time  Secretary  to  the "  Political  Department 
oi  the  Government  of  Madras,  having  been  deiired  to  give  fuch  In-* 
formation  as  he  couJd,  refpedling  the  Revenues  of  the  Nabob  of  Ar- 
cot,  informed  yoor  Committee,  That  while  he  was  in  the  Station 
above-mentioned,  the  Amount  of  the  Nabob's  Collections  was  a  Sub-^ 
je(5l  which  came  frequently  under  the  Confideration  of  the  Board— 
Xhat  an  cxadt  Account  was  often  wifhed  for,  bur,"  he  believed,  never 
obtained— That  he  had  feen  various  Eftimates,  fome  at  36  Lacks  of 
Fa^odas^lnaual  Revenue^  others  at  3.2^  and  fome  lower — That  he- 




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64  10  — 

113  20  •— 

32  24  — 

176     6  — 

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loc  I  Month 


56    9- 


II  ,16 

475  as  — 

picto  of  Do.  fori  Vear>    Ps 

3,960  —  -^ 

67s  — 

936  — 

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5,7oS  12  — . 



ESTABLISHMENT  of  Lifcars  attached  to  Artillery  and  other  Corps. 


1  Connnattdant 
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f^zclLafcari        - 

Total  Eftabliihment  of  Lafcars  for  1  Month 
picto  of  Do.  for  I  Yeaij  Ps. 


10  —  — 

287  —  — 

^17  iS  — 

4,640  —  — 

5,254  1%  — 




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Mattrofles           - 

Total  Artillery    - 

European  Infantry. 




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S^jeants         * 


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37  18- 
131  -*»  — 


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166    9  — - 
164  18  — 


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5,5:9  24  — 

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3  10 

5,543    16   — . 

Grand  Total' Do<l  D0.  fox  i  Voar,  Pags* 

66,416  —  — 

366  — 

39  »* 

66,521    12  —• 

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tgS  .     PARLIAMENTARY         A.  1781. 

Allies  are  called  upon  to  z€t  with  the  utmoft  Vigour  in  repelling  this  Attack.  I  tnift 
ydu  will  ihew  yourfdf  particularly  zealoui  in  a  Caufe,  in  which  the  Welfare  of  yoAr 
Government^  as  well  as  that  of  the  Company  and  the  Nabobs  are  fo  nmch  intereftcd. 
A  large  Supply  of  Money  is  abfolutely  neceiTary  to  cavry  on  the  military  Operations ;  and 
to  this  Objeift  I  fliall  be  thankful  if  you  will  contribute  amply,  and  foon.  The  Nabob's 
Country  has  always  fttficre4.confiderably  by  the  Incurfions  of  Hyder*8  Horfe ;  Yoar*s  be- 
ing as  yet  unittvadedy  I  flatter  myfelf  you  will  find  lefs  Diffic^ty  in  fumilung  Money  to 
tile  Company*  Irequeft  ^othat  you  will  encovtt^ge  aa  much  aspoflible,  the  Expora- 
tion  of  Grain  to  Madras.  The  Duties  in  that  Article  are  taken  off  at  this  Port,  a  Cir- 
cumftance  which  will,  no  Doubt,  when  known  to  the  People  of  your  Country,  induce 
them  to  fend  large  Supplies.  May  your  Happinefs  daily  increafe.  What  can  I  fay 

A    P    P    E    N    p    IX,     N°  3. 

MfCtroB  of  0  Letter  fr^m  Fort  Saint  Ge&rge  fo  tB^  Governor  General  and  ComifiJ  of  Tort 

IViiliam^  dated  the  v6tf^  Ju^^  Z78o« 


BxindF^rt  Saint    /^^^  ^^  I«etter  (of  w.Uich  we  inebfe  a  Daplicate)  gave  m 

Ocoi^ge  Seled      \J  Inforraattoa  of  the  Approach  of  Hyder  AUy»  with  a  hrf 

CaaL    a6feh  July    Army,  towards  our  Frontiem    We  now  tranfinit  Two  Papers  o( 

1780.  Inficttigence  juft  received  from  the  Nabob,  by  which  you  wUlkan 

thttiie  haa  a£hially  detachedipart  of  hit  Cavalry. into  the  Caroatk) 

wtA  k  prq»aring  to  fbUow-  with  his  whole  Army. 

We  are  taking  Meafures  for  aflflfltbling  onr  Troops  in  a  proper  Situation  to  oppofe  this 
Attack^  and  defend  the  Country  ift. the  beft  Manner  we  are  aUe ;  but  the  Alarm  aircKiv 
oceafioned'by  the  Report  of  an  lavafion,  and  thr'^Kavages  which  have  been*aduaUy  com* 
nutted  by  Hyder's  Horfcf  have  driven  the  People  from  their  Habitadons,  and  put  as 
entire  Stop  to  the  Tillage  of  the  Ground. 

'.iJnder  thefe  Circumftances  it  will  be  impofiible  for  us  to  draw  Refources  from  tht 
Country,  in  any  Degree  equal  to  the£zpen«cs  which  this  War  mufl  inevitably  produce; 
and  if  we  do  not  obtain  a  fpeedy  Supply  of  Money  from  you,  we  fee  no  Probabili^  of  oui 
heiDg  able  to  aft  with  Vigour  and  £0eft  propordonate  to  the  Exigency  of  oar  SitoatioO'    J 

Extras  of  a  Letter  from  Fort  Saint  George  h  the  Go>verner  General  and  CoBfuil  ff 

Fort  ff^iiriamf  dated  j^b  September  1780. 

JjLtraft  Fort  Saint        But  befides  Troops,  ourjOccafions  for  Money  are  veiypicfiiiC' 

George  Seleft        We  have  no  Means  whatever  to  aiifwer  the  extraordinary  ExpcAces 

Conf*  14th  Sept.     oftliisWar}  and  it  will  be  totally  impolTible  for  us  to  cany  it  op, 

X780.  unlefs  we  can  be  fure  of  receiving  Supplies  of  Money  fix>m  you.  ^^ 

eameftly  requeft  your  immediate  Attention  to  this  Objeft;  and  thit 

you  wtU'do  us  the  Fayonrto  inform  us  to  what  Extent  we  can  be  affifled.     It  wouU  1< 

a  great  Relief  to  us  if  a  Sum  of  Money  could,  be  Tent  immediatoly  after  the  Receipt  (>^ 

thefe  pifpatches. 


A.  1782;  DEBATES,  197 

APPENDIX,      N*  4. 

ExtraB  9f  a  Letter  from  the  SeleS  Committee  at  Fort  Saint  George  to  the  Court  of 

Dire^iony  dated  i^tb  O^ober  1780. 

WE  have  been  put  to  the  g^catcft  Diftrefs  for  the  Want  of  Mortey  to  carry  on  the 
War,  owing  to  a  total  Failure  in  our  ufual  Refources.  The  Carnatlc  wafte,  by 
the  IncurAons  of  the  Enemy.  The  Nabob  pleads  this  in  Excufe  for  not  difcharglng 
any  of  his  Engagements. 

The  Rajah  of  Tanjore,  whoife  Country  hath  not  been  di(hirbed  in  any  Shape,  has  yet 
given  us  no  ADlftance  \  nor  have  we  yet  obtained  any  Supply  of  Money  from  Bengal, 
though  the  GovemtMr  General  and  Council  -have  exprefled  an  Intention  to  aiHft  us« 

Under  thefe  Circumftances  we  had  no  Alternative  for  fupplying  the  various  Exigencies 
of  the  Service,  but  that  of  borrowing  from  Individuals,  and  Caking  up  Money  for 
Draughts  upon  England.  The  Refolutions  we  came  to  on  this  Subjc^,  will  be  com- 
municated to  you  from  the  Civil  Department. 

ExtraB  of  the  General  Letter  from  Fort  Saint  George  to  the  Court  of  DireBors^  dated 

tie  i^tb  ofOBober  1780. 

On  a  Review  of  the  State  of  your  Treafury,  when  Hyder  Ally  invaded  the  Carnatitf 
in  July  laft,  we  judged  it  abfol^tely  neceflary  to  ifiue  Advertifements  for  receiving  Loan» 

from  the  Inhabitants  of  this  Settlement,  for  which  Company's  Bonds  were  to  be  grant- 
ed, payahje  in  Eight  Months  after  Date,  bearing  an  Intereft  of  Eight  per  Cent,  per  Ann. 
But  the  Supply  raifed  by  this  Means  proving  very  inadequate  to  the  h'-^vy  Expenccs 
of  Government,  and  having  no  Hope  of  any  immediate  Relief  that  could  pt  deemed 
efFeflual,  either  from  the  Northern  Subordinacles,  from  the  Nabob,  or  from  Bengal ; 
in  this  Exigency,  after  much  Deliberation,  however  averfe  we  are  in  any  Inftancc  to  zGt 
contrary  to  your  Orders,  we  found  ourfelveS  under  the  unavoidable  Keceffity,  as  tlic  laflr 
Refource,  to  draw  Bills  on  your  Honours  to  an  Amount  not  exceeding  ^,  200,000. 

APPENDIX,      N°  5. 

ExtraB  of  a  Letter  from  the  Governor  General  and  Council,  at  Fort  William  tn  Bengal^ 
in  their  Secret  Department^  to  the  C^urt  of  VireBors,  dated  the  1  ^th  of  OElober  1780. 

WIT  H  Refp«A  to  the  Treafure  which  we  have  fent  to  them>  as  it  is  a  handfome^ 
fo  we  truft  it  will  be  a  feafonabie  Supply.  WTe  have  not  fpared  the  Sum  of 
Fifteen  Lacks  of  Rupees,  the  Amount  of  the  Supply,  without  great  Inconvenience  to 
ourfeives.  The  Demands  on  us  at  Home  are  large  and  prefling  j  but  on  a  general 
Coniideration  of  the  Company's  Interefts,  we  have  not  hefitated,  and  fhali  not  hefitate, 
to  ufe  every  Exertion  within  our  Power  and  Ability,  both  In  this  and  every  other  In- 
itance,  to  contribute  our  utmoll  tj  fupport  them.  The  Treafure  which  has  been  dif-< 
patched  we  have  configoed  to  the  Commander  in  Chief  $  and  we  have  nominated  a  Pay^ 
mailer  for  tike  immediate  Charge  of  it.  It  is  intended  for  the  Payment  of  the  Troops 
under  "Sir  Eyre  Coote's  Command,  and  is  wholly  to  anfwer  military  Expences  :  But  wc 
have  impowered  him  alfo  to  make  ufe  of  it  in  fupplying  ths  Requifitions  of  the  Prefident 
and  Select  Committf  e,  if  he  ihall  agree  in  the  Expediency  Qi  doing  ia^ 


t9S  PARLiAMfiNTARY-       A.  1781, 

Extras  of  a  Litter  ft^m  the  Prefident  and  SekB  Committee  at  F§rt  Saint  George,  to  the 

Court  of  Dire£iors,  dated  zgtb  November  1789. 

We  cannot  obtain  any  Money  from  the  Nabob,  or  the  RajaH  of  Taqore;  The 
Nabob  is  indeed,  wc  believe,  very  much  diftrcfled,  by  a  total  Failure  in  the  Revenues  of 
tiiat  Part  of  the  Camadc  which  has  been  fubjeft  to  the  Incurfions  of  Hyder's  Hwfe ;  but 
the  Rajah  of  Tanjore  has  not  yet  had  a  Grain  of  His  Country  touched.  Thus,  from  our 
paft  Difappointments  and  prcfent  Profpefts,  we  can  place  but  little  Dependence  on  any 
other  Rcfource  tlian  tliat  of  Bengal,  for  carrying  on  the  War  j  and  as  to  the  Expences  of 
the  Civil  Department,  we  have  very  flender  Hope  of  procuring  fuf&cient  to  anfwer  them 
from  any  Quarter. 

A    P    P    EN    D    I    X,     .N°  6. 

Extraff  of  Fort  Saint  George  Sde5i  Confultattani,  dated  the  14/^  January  JJ7^» 

Par.  105.  T^  H  E  Arrival  of  Sir  Eyre  Coote  at  this  Prefidenciy,  oft  His  Way  to  Bengal) 
X  at  fo  critical  a  Jun6:ure,  I  efteera  on  many  Accounts  a  fortunate  Cir- 
cumdance.  He  will  be  able  to  form 'a  Judgment  from  his  own  Obfervation  of  your  real 
Situation,  with  RefpeA  to  Rcfources,  and  the  Condu^  both  of  the  Nabob  and  the  Rajab 
of  Tanjore ;  and  I  mod  earneftly  recommend  to  him,  to  take  a  View  of  our  Proceedings 
both  before  and  lince  thd  Capture  of  Pondicheny,  that  he  may  be  fully  acquainted  widi 
the  Difficulties  we  have  had,  and  ilill  have,  to  ftruggle  with  j  that  when  he  takes  his 
Seat  at  the  Council  General  at  Bengal,  he  may,  from  his  own  Knowledge,  inforce  the 
Reprcfentation  we  have  found  it  neceflary  to  make,  that  we  may  be  fupported  and 
aflifted  in  the  Advice  and  Opinion  of  that  Board,  in  any  Means  we  may  be  obliged  to 
adopt  for  the  Public  Good,  and  the  Prefervation  of  the  Carnatic.  I  have  been  fo  full 
Id  the  feveral  Minutes  I  have  given  in  to  the  Committee,  that  I  have  oijly  to  refer  Sir 
Eyre  Coote  to  Ihem,  for  a  true  Reprefentation  of  our  Difficulties.  The  Meafures  vre 
have  been  obliged  to  adopt,  of  drawing  BiUs  oh  the  Company,  though  not  to  a  great 
Amount,  was  unavoidable.  It  was  againft  my  Wifh  and  Inclination,  truly  fenGble  that 
the  Company  are  very  deiirous  we  ihould  avoid  giving  any  Drafts  on  them  j  and  indeed 
they  have  a  Right  to  expedt  that  their  Refources  here  ihould  more  than  aofvrer  the  Ex- 
pences  of  the  EftabliHiment ;  but  every  Trial  was  made  in  vain  to  procure  Money  frcmi 
the  Nabob,  from  the  Rajah  of  Tanjore,  and  even  from  Individuals,  on  granting  them 
Intcrcft  Notes  payable  to  a  certain  Time.  The  Diftrefs  for  Specie  was  fo  great,  that 
we  had  no  Alternative ;  we  were  obliged,  by  the  Profped:  of  an  advantageous  Remit- 
tance,  to  induce  thpfe  who  had  Caih  by  them  to  fupply  our  immediate  Wants,  as  the 
Account  delivered  in  to  the  Committee  will  (hew.  There  vras  an  abfolute  NcceiBty  that 
the  Troops  ihould  not  be  kept  in  Arrears ;  and  notwithftandiii|^  the  Money  borrowed, 
we  have  now  an  empty  Treafury.  It  is  true,  t^he  Nabob  has  promifed  us  a  confideiaUe 
Sum  this  Month,  and  to  be  more  regular  in  his  Payments  in '  future ;  Jbut  vi^  have  na 
Otiier  Security  than  his  Word.  Should  he  fail  us,  as  he  has  ftldom  been  very  pun^bul 
in  Engagements,  I  apprehend  the  moft  ferious  Confequences.  We  have  reprefented  to 
Bengal  our  Situation.  ^  We  have  acquainted  thtm  in  -a  former  Letter,  that  if  we  did  not 
receive  a  Supply,  we  ihould  be  under  Uie  Neceility  of  drawing  upon  Europe.  The  Coun- 
cil General,  however,  were  unable  to  fupply  us,  I  will  not  fay  unwillingly,  being  con- 
vinced, (he  Co-operation  with  the  different  Prefidencies,  for  tlie  mutual  Support  of  the 
Company's  PoiTeffion,  is  the  firft  and  mofl  jnaterial  Objed  of  their  political  Condad. 
Under  all  thefe  Circumftanoes*  1  have  no  Doubt  but  we  ihall  flaind  juftlfied  to  the  Com- 
pany for  our  Cundu^  |  but  at  the  f^me  Time  it  is  abfolutely  n^otOary  t»  a<^  with  Spiiit 


A.  i78i-  DEBATES.  ^99 

sand  yigoQft  to  olatmA  Money  from  thofe  Channels  from  wkence  Tt  ouglit  to  flow ;  aiMi^ 
by  a  determined  Plan  of  Oeconomy,  and  Redu^on  of  all  Expences,  to  endeavour  tp 
fupply  our  Treafury,  that  we  may  never  again  be  under  the  Ncceffity  of  giving  Drafts  oa 
the  Company.  To  accompliih  this  Point,  I  have  no  Doubt  of  meeting  with  the  Con- 
currence aod  ftcady  Support  of  the  Committee ;  And  I  propofe,  that  an  Auditor  of  Ac- 
.compts  may  be  Immediately  appointed ;  that  he  proceed  to  examine  the  Accounts,  both 
civil  and  military,  for  the  laft  Six  Months ;  or,  if  it  ihould  be  thought  too  great  a  Taflc 
for  One  Perfon,  that  Two  Pcrfons  be  appointed,  the  one  to  audit  the  civil,  the  other 
the  military  Accounts ;  and  that  all  unnecefiary  Charges  may  be  ilruck  offj  and  that 
they  make  a  Report  to  the  Committee  or  Council,  every  Fortnight,  of  the  Progrcfs  they 
have  made }  and  that  their  Allowance  and  Emolument  depend  in  a  great  Meafure  on  the 
Jledudion  made  by  them  in  the  monthly  Expences.  It  Would  appear  extraordinary,  at 
the  Commencement  of  a  War,  to  propofe  a  Redud^on  of  our  military  Force  j  it  would 
at  this  Jundbire  undoubtedly  be  highly  improper  and  dangerous.  But  I  do  not  hefitate 
to  give  it  as  my  Opiniont  that  our  E^^abllAuaent  is  too  great  for  our  Refources  ;  and 
either  a  fixed  pr  certain  Revenue  from  the  Camatk,  or  Tanjore  Country,  muft  be  al- 
lotted for  the  Payment  of  our  Troops,  or  a  confiderable  Redudion  mud:  take  Place  at  a 
more  favourable  Period.  The  Nabob  Ihould  be  in  Advance,  not  in  Arrear,  for  the  Pay- 
ment of  what  depends  on  him ;  but  on  the  contrary^  the  Debt  is  accumulating  j  and  the 
Company  ftrongly  recommended  to  us,  in  their  Letter  of  the  laft  Seafon,  to  call  upon 
him  for  Payment*  and  not  to  fuffer  the  Payment  of  Individuals  to  interfere  v^ith  their 
Demands.  We  know  not  what  Step  our  Enemies  are  taking,  what  Force  they  have  at 
the  Maiuitius ;  but  we  have  every  Reaibn  to  believe  that  they  are  notinadiive,  and  tbat 
they  will  attempt  fome  Stroke  to  recover  the  Ground  they  have  Joft.  We  have  no  im* 
fnediate  Profpe£k  of  Support,  and  therefore  muft  find  Refources  amongft  ourfelves,  and 
ipuft  purftte  fuch  a  Cpndu^  as  to  provide  ^ainft  all  Difficulties  and  Contingendes. 

A    P    P    E    N    D    I    X,     N°  7. 

Extras  of  Fort  Saint  George  SeUS  Confuhationsy  dated  the  ^tb  February  1779. 

TH  E  Prefident  lays  before  the  Coinmittee  the  following  Minute,  with  Intelligenct 
juft  received  from  the  Nabob. 

I  am  concerned  to  lay  before  the  Committee,  a  Letter  from  the  Nabob,  containing 
Advices  frpm  his  Vackeel  at  Poonah,  of  a  very  ferious  Nature ;  and  though  we  may 
fuppofe  the  Account  of  the  unfortunate  Situation  of  t|ie  Bombay  Army  is  greatly  cxt 
^ggerated,  and  that  when  we  hear  from  Bombay,  we  fhall  be  informed  of  fome  favour- 
able CircumftanCe  with  which  we  are  not  yet  acquainted  ;  ftill,  from  the  circumftantiaj 
Account  received,  we  hayc  no  Reafon  to  d  oubt  but  the  Event  of  the  Expedition  for  con- 
ducting Ragonaut  Row  to  Poonah,  has  been  unfortunate  and  difgraceful,  both  to  our 
Arms  and  Councils  5  and  our  prefent  Situation,  with  refpeft  to  the  diilerent  Powers  of 
Hindoftan,  renders  it  abfolutely  neceffary  that  we  fhould  immediately  take  into  Confit 
deration  our  own  State  and  Refources,  as  well  for  the  Defence  of  the  Carnatic,  as  to 
afford  A/Tiftance  t6  any  other  Parts  where  the  Company  haye  Poffeflions  or  Alliances, 
that  may  ftand  in  Need  of  our  Support. 

The  firft  Confideiation  is,  the  State  of  ojjr  Treafury.  X  have  already,  on  many 
Occafions,  reprefented  to  the  Committee,  the  Difficulties  we  have  to  ftruggle  with,  and 
that  the  utmoftwe  can  expert,  is  to  ftipply  our  Exigencies  on  a  Peace  Eftablifliment,  and 
provide  our  Inveftments  j  which  being  an  ObjeA  of  Confequence  to  the  Company,  ought 
pot  to  be  negledied.  Our  Situation  has  been  reprefented  to  the  Governor  General  and 
pP)incU  3  but  I  an^  of  Opinion^  w^  ma^  ftill,  in  a  more  particular  Manner,  addrefs 


20O  PARLIAMBNTARy  A.  1782, 

tKem  again  on  the  St]bje6(,  andrequeft,  that  they  will  not  onlyaffiMrd  us  Affifbnce  from 
the  Bengal  Treafury,  that  we  may  be  fupplied  with  a  Fund  to  enable  our  Army  to  tike 
the  Field y  ihould  Circumftances  make  it  neceffary ;  but  that  they  wlU  gWe  us  their 
Opinion  on  thofe  Points  we  have  already  fubmitted  to  their  Confiderations,  and  upon 
iuch  others  aii  we  may  now  propofe  to  them.  Firfty,  I  would  retommend^  that  we  fully 
ilatcto  them  the  Situation  of  the  Tanjore  Country,  and  the.Meafures  we  have  taken  in 
<onfcquence,  in  order  to  fccure  the  regular  Payment  of  the  Rajah's  Subfidy,  and  the 
Nabob's  Pefcuih  \  whichy  if  pundually  remitted  to  our  Treafury,  will  not  only  greatly 
aflfift  in  keeping  up  our  prefent  Eftabliflmient,  but  will  contribute,  with  other  Means, 
to  fecure  in  Time  fuch  a  Supply,  as  will  enable  us  to  a^  with  Vigour  as  Occafion  may 
require.  The  Tanjore  Revenues  ought  to  be  taken  Care  of. '  Neceility  obliges  us  tD 
watch  over  them  with  Attention }  and  Ihould  the  prefent  Negociation  entrufted  to  Ge« 
neral  Munro  fail  of  producing  the  defired  "EffeSty  I  am  perfuaded  it  is  our  Duty  to  tAt 
fuch  Meafures  that  no  Mifmanagement,  or  any  Caufe  whatever,  may  deprive  its  of  that 
Support  which  is  abfolutely  neceflary  to  contribute  to  the  Prote^on  of  the  Camatic, 
Tanjore,  and  our  Northern  Settlements :  For,  Where  is  the  Force  finr  the  Defence  ci 
thofe  feveral  Countries,  but  what  is  kept  up,  difcipUned,  and  paid  by  the  Company? 

Secondly ;  It  will  be  neceffary  that  we  take  the  Opinion  of  the  Governor  Genera)  and 
Council,  how  we  are  to  adlin  Cafe  of  Failure  in  the  Nabob^s  Engagements.  I  hope  n 
ihall  nev«r  be  drove  to  take  any  Meafures  inconfiftent  with  his  Rights,  or  difagrecable  to 
his  Feelings ;  but  without  we  ftate  with  Prccifion  our  Difficulties,  we  may  find  curfelves 
embarrafTed,  and  at  a  Lofs  to  ad  in  particula[r  Points  when  our  Diftreffes  prefs  with  Force 
upon  us.  It  is  true,  we  have  lately  received  a  very  confiderable  Sum  from  the  Nabob; 
but  the  Account  delivered  in  by  me  to  the  Committee,  dated  the  3Gth  of  November  laft, 
Will  (hew,  that  he  was,  at  the  End  of  January,  greatly  in  Arrears  of  the  Amount  whidj, 
by  his  own  voluntary' Agreement,  he  engaged  to  pay.  to  that  Period  )  and  the  Debt  is 
monthly  encfeafing.  Our  Expences  are  certain,  and  mufl  be  provided  for :  Our  Bur- 
thens at  prefent  are  great;  for,  exclusive  of  our  Standing  Army,  upwards  of  Twcnty- 
feven  thoufand  Men,  we  have  the  heavy  Expence  of  compleating  our  Fortifications, 
which  mufl  not,  on  any  Account,  be  negle£led ;  and  we  have  the  Maintenance  of  the 
Jrench  Prifoners,  Military  and  Civil,  with  the  Number  of  Articles  ta  be  provided  fw* 
which  the  Capitulation  of  Pondicherry  obliges  us  to  fulfil.  All  Attention  and  Support  is 
certainly  due  to  the  Nabob,  as  our  old  and  faithful  Ally,  connected  with  us  by  even 
Tie,  and  demandii^  from  us  every  Indulgence :  For,  if  we  take  a  View  from  th« 
Southern  Boundary  of  Hindoflan  to  the  Northern  Extremity,  where  the  Engliih  Forces 
have  proved  vi^orions,  where  fhall  we  find  one  Native  Prince  who  h^s  not  f<^erely  felt 
the  Effe^s  of  ourPower^  and  that  is  not  now  lamentihgthe  rapid  Succefs  of  our  ArmS) 
and  the  Credulity  that  ever  induced  him  to  tnid  to  our  Engagements  ?  Mahomed  Ally 
can  alone  boaft,  that  we  have  noj:  en.tirefy  violated  every  Principle  on  wUich  he  has  de- 
pended, and  who,  with  his  Family,  it  is  to  be  wifhed,  may  long  remain  Inflances  of  our 
National  FaitJi  j  but  at  the  fame  Time  I  exprefs  thefe  Sentiments  <  towa^s  the  Nabob, 
it  is  neceffary  that  we  infift  on  a  Pupdbiality  in  fulfilling  .his  Engagements,  or  that  the 
Committee  ars  furniihed  with  fome  Line  to  guide  their  ConduQ,  when  they  find  him  U^ 
in  his  Engagements.  To  various  Caufes  may  be  imputed  his  Relu^ance  to  part  with 
Money,  and  feveral  Circumftances  ipay  have  contributed  to  give  him  Difgufl.  We  have 
no  Right  or  Grounds  to  fuppofe  his  Reluctance  proceeds  from  Difaffeftipn.  We  are  ta 
confider  his  Load  of  Debt,  the  i.ncreafed  Expences  of  the  Eflablifhment  j  the  Decrcafe» 
from  various  Caufes,  and  perhaps  from  fome  MiOiian5|;eincnt,  of  his  Revenue ;  the  Dif- 
appointments  he  has  been  fubjeft  to  in  this  Matter,  where  he  conceived  himfelf  *  ^ 
juftly  entitled  to  Decifions  in  his  Favour  J  and,  Uftly,  to  the  Impofidons  of  Individualsi 
and  the  attendant  Paflion  fo  common  to  Men  of  advanced  Stages  in  Life,  of  hoarding  up 
for  future  unforefecn  Contingencies  ;  all  thefe  may  have  operated  to  increafe  the  Difficul- 
ties of  obtaining  from  him  the  neceffary  Supplies  of  Caih :  That  fuch  Difficulties  have 
frequently  exifled,  no  one  acquainted  with  this  Government  can  douljt :  But  the  Re* 
fleftion  alone,  of  our  depending  on  precarious  Circumilances  for  certain  and  unavoidable 
Expences,  on  which  ©ur  very  Safety  depends,  render  it  abfolutely  neceHary  to  have  the 
Advice  of  the  Goverrior  General  to  affift  our  Refolutioas,  if  cver\ye  ihould  be  obliged  to 
£0  beyond  the  Line  that  we  wiih  to  be  prefer\t^. 

A,  1782.      \  p    E    B     A    T    E    Si  «oi 

I        BxtraB  of  Sir  Eyre  Cootis  Minute^ 

I  agree  entirely  with  the  Governor's  firft  Propoiittoni  in  regard  to  the  Neceffity  ttere 
is  for  reprefenting  to  the  Supreme  Council  the  State  of  our  Treafury,  and  the  Situation  of 
the  Tanjore  Countiy,  as  well  as  to  require  their  Sentiments  upon  the  Meafurcs  which  the 
Board  here  ought  to  a'iopt,  in  Cafe  the  Nabob's  Engagements  ihpuld  not  be  fo  punctually 
fulfilled  as  the  Neceijity  of  our  Affairs  may  demand> «  And  I  imagine  thofe  Reprefenta-^ 
cions  cannot  fail  to  have  the  deiired  ILKtQif  in  inducing  them  to  give  Cuch.fpeedy  an4 
proper  Afli^aiice  as  may  enable  the  Governor  and  Council  here,  to  purfue  the  diiinterefted 
and  fpirited  Plan  which  they  have  hitherto  fapported  alone^  fo  much  tp  the  Natiornal 
j^ueBt,  and  to  their  own  Honour. 

APPENDIX,     N»  8. 

^xtraa  of  a  Letter  from  the  Prejident  and  Council  at  Fort  Saint  George,  to  the  Cover-' 
nor  General  and  Council  of  Bengal  \  dated  jtb  December  I774- 

OUR  Expenceson  the  Coaft,  in  Time  of  Peac^,  att  generally  I774» 

about  14  Lacks  of  Pagodas  ^  and  the  Inveftment  im  jBurope    Fort  St.  George 
requires  6  Lacks,  which  makes  the  Difbur&ments  on  the  C^aft  a-      -'    Mil.  Conf. 
movnt  to  29  Lacks  of  Pagodas.    The  aonual  An)ount'/of  the  Reve-     8  Dec^  Fol.  833* 
nues,  upon  a  mean  Calculation,  may  be  eftimated  at  upwards  of 
1-6  Lacks  j'  and  the  Sum^  paid  by  the  Nabob,  in  certain  Kifb,  in  the  Courfe  of  the 
Year,  for  the  Pay  of  the' Troops  kept  by  the  Compainy  on  his  Account,  and  die  Ex— 
peaces  of  the  Garrifons  defrayed  by  thejm,  at  about '4  Lacks;  making  in  all  20  Lacki 
of  Pagodas :  But  of  thefe  Receipts,  near  8  Lacks  are  to  be  paid  by  the  Nabob  ;  for, 
exclufive  of  'the  Money  advanced  on  his  Account,  eftimated'  as  above  at  4  Lacks,  he 
Has,  by  the, Company  s  Orders,  the  laaum  Lands  at  Rent  for  Pagodas  3,68,350  per 
Annum  j  which  is  likewife  received  in  certain  Kifts,  payable  in  the  Courfe  of  the  Year. 
But  even  this  Refource,  fro;n  the  Nabob's  own  Declarations,  mu^  become  precarious  i^ 
Time  of  War.  .  .  ♦ 

»  I  ';  I 

A    P    P    E    N    D    I    X,     N'  9. 

Craiit  of  the  yagbire  to  the  Company* 

BE  it  known  to  the  Deefmookees,  Deefpondees,  principal  Inhabitants  and  Hufband- 
men  of  the  Tripafore,  &c.  Pergunnahs,  belonging  to  the  Carnatic  Payen  Gaut,  and» 
dependent  upon  the  Subah  of  Mahomed  Poor,  alias  Afcot ;  That  J  have  appointed  and 
made  over  to  the  Englifh  Eaft  India  Company  (who  have  taken  great  Pains  and  Labour 
in  my  Afi^arrs,  are  my  true  Fi-icads^  and  will  ever  remain  firm  and  fteady  in  Alliance 
Vol.  VI.  D  d  with. 



A.   179 

w:th,  and  in  fupporting,  myfelf  and  Sons)  the  aforefaid  Pergnnnahs,  &c.  as  hereunder 
expceiredy  by  Way  of  Jaghire;  the  Revenues  of  which,  as  entered  in  the  MoguPs  Book, 
^nnoont  to  Four  Lacks  Four  hundred  and  Nlnety-fonr  Pagodas  Four  Annas  and  a 
<^arter  (4^00,494.  4^),  and  Chucrams  Six  thopfand  and  Thirty- three  (6,033) :  You 
i!ie  faid  Deefmookees,  Arc.  mpft  therefore  take  Care  to  live  in  due  Obedience  to  the 
iaid  Company^  and  to  pa^  them  the  proper  Revenues,  at  the  fixed  and  ftated  Times,  as, 
acrorJing  to  their  Report,  whether  in  your  Praife  or  Difpraife,  will  be  our  Favotir  or 
t>ifpleafure  apon  you.     Look  upon  this  as  an  Order,  and  comply  accordingly. 

Computed  Revenues  as  put  ddwn  in  the  Mogul's  Book* 

Pagodas.    Annas. 
Madras,  Cuflroms  Included  -  1,200  >— 

St.  Thomes  DiilriA,  Cudoms  included  6,346  15 

Poonnmalee  DiftrifV,  Cuftoms  included         34*^40  •— >^ 
TrcVehda  Poor,  &c. 

Mo.  of      No.  of 
Chacrams.  Diftri^te.  Villages, 

..«       .»  26,250 




28  3 

N.  B»  The  Revenue;  of  thefe  Four  within  the  Circqnoflex,  amounting  to  Pagodas 
42,386.  1 5I  Chucrams  26,250,  are  mentioned  aot  to  be  included  in  the  Sum  of  Pagodas 
4,00,494  4|,  and  Chucrams,  6,003  fp?cifie4  in  the  Simnud,  thefe  being;  in  a  prior  Grant* 

Computed  ReYea^es  as  put  down  iji  the  Mogul's  Boo|c8. 

jHo.  of      No.  of 
Pagodal  Annas,  Chucrams.  Anns.  M^hurs  or  Villages. 


■^  I  211 

iiorc  enure,  v^iticuius  iu\.j,uu6u      ilt*-ll      4 

Villages  of  Cotunjbauc,  &c.  1  ' 

longing  to  the  Seven  Magans  r  '^I'^y^    % 
tire  -  -  -  \ 

er  DiftrI6^  entire,  Cui^ooos  in-  | '    ^^  . , , 

Tripafore  entire,  Cuftoms  included     37,177    4 
TheViUag       -  -         '  -      - 


Poneer  Laiiiivfcnuic,  v«uii.uu»s  lu-  # 
•  eluded       *     -■  .     '      .;;    *°>3S 

Chiceutcota  Diftri^  entlrcj  Cuf-  ;       ^o  o  ^^ 

toms  included        -       -        - 1 '     ^  5     '^ 
I^cddapoilam  Diftrias  entire,  Cuf- 7    „  .,i   ,3^ 

tomiS  included  -  -  J        ^  ^ 

Perrumbauc  DiftriA  entire  -         6,207     9 

Munemungulum   Diftri^  entire,/ 

Cuftoms  incli^ded          -          -J  ^!         "** 

OotremaloorDiftridl,  Cuftomsih-i  ^       ^ 

eluded             -             -             -\  ^'''^'S   U 
Saliwauc  Diftri6t  entire,  Cuftoms  5 

•mcluded  r  .Ji9,"9" 

Seeva,     or    Great    Conjeveram,  7  ^ 

ditto                   -       _           -f  '9.4>4    6 
Bifhun,    or    Little   Conjeveram,  7 

■  ditto                .  -         '          \\  *5.'95  «* 

Cavantandelum  Diftrid  entire  1^1585 

Chinglcput  Diftrift  entire,  Cuf- 7  . 

toms  included  -  -  J  ^^^'446   |0 

Siaudet  Bunder,    alias  Covelongl 

Diftrifty  -entire,  Cuftoms   in-  >  175512     gf 

eluded  .     •  -  -J 

ptrangoly  ditto,  all  on  this  Side  1 

the  River   Mercawn,   entire,  >  62,257     7J 

Cuftoms  included         -  >  j 

Chlnnamanalk  PoHum  Village,! 

belonging  to  the  Trivedy  Per-  V  — 

gunnah,  entire  -  -J        ' 

t^uddcput  Village,  belonging  to  "I 
•  the  Vencatompente    Pergun-  >  — * 

nah,  eotins  -  .3 
















1,072  8 
927  8 


Ai  ijZi, 

n    %    t    h    t    t    ^. 


Curfemttn^el,  &c.  Villages,  •  be-  t 
longing  tx>  the  PuUicat,  entire  > 

Chhtamoor,  &c.  Villages,   be-  "J 
longing  to  the  Tundewullum  I 
Pergunnah,  all  that-  arife  on  \ 
that  Side  the  Kiver  Mercawa,  I 
entire         -         -         -         -  J 

Hufoor,  <&c.  Villages,  belong-  '1 
ing  to  the  Pergunnah  of  the  I 
fixne  Nanie,  all  that  are  on  V 
t  lis  Side  the  River  Mercawn  I 
Entire,  Cufloms  Included      -  J  "^ 

No.  of 
Pagodas.  Annas.  CliiKrMnc.  A&M.  Kiehurs  or   No.  of 

DJArias.    YiUagKu 

216     2  -*  1-4. 

•k.  744  J 

^         3,2SS  S 

l^otal  Amount  of  the  prefentl 

Grants,  and  thofe  of  the  i6th  >4,oo,4.94   ^ 
ofOftoberi763         -  -j  i 

Ditto  of  the  old  Grants  men-  >  qa       i 

mentioned  in  the  Firft  Part    J    4*»3»«>  15^ 

6,03^  -- 

26>250  — 

Grand  Total,  Pagodas       4,42,881    3I        32,283—: 








Subdivlfion  thereof. 

Pag.     Ado. 

^y  tihe  prefent  Grants  no^  34>4So    4I 

Bythofeofthe.i6thofOdobe'rz763  3,66,064    o 
By  the  old  Grants        .*        .        .      42,386  i^\ 




I  I    II        II  ■         ■        IM  II      I  ■>■ 

Pagodas    4^42,881     3^        329I83 







Dated  thtf  2kft  of  ^6  Moon  Rabbi  ulSauiiiy  ia  the  Year  of  Hegira  11771  eiqmvalen« 
to  the  29thof  Odober  17^3* 

Forms  oh  Aft  Back  of  tlie  StniflttKJ. 

The  Seriihtaddr's  Letter  to  the  Nabob,  informing  him  of  the  Suniiud*s  haVin^  been 
made  out  for  the  English  Eaft  India  Company,  the  i6th  of  Oftober  1763,  to  the  Amount 
of  Pagodas  3,66,064,  and  Chucrams  2,000,  out  of  the  feveral  Countries  from  which 
that  Sum  arofej  there  were  many  Villages,  to  the  Value  of  Pagodas  34,430.  4!^,  and 
Chucrams  4,033  (as  entered  in  the  Mogul's  Books)  excepted  j  he  requefls  therefore  the 
Nabob's  Orders,  whether  a  new  Sunnud  for  the  Whole  (which  h^  part.Cularifes  in  the 
fame  Manner  as  it  is  in  the  Sunnud)  ihauld  be  made  out  or  not  ?  To  which  the  Nabob 
is  faid  to  anfwer,  in  his  own  Hand  Writing  :  **  In  Confideration  of  the  true  Friendfhip 
of  the  Engliih  Eaft  India  Company,  and  their  remaining  always  in  Alliaike  with  me, 
let  a  Sunnuwd  for  the  whole  Jaghire,  without  any  Exception,  be  made  out/' 

Regiftcred  in  the  Dewan's  Office,  the  2  ift  of  the  Moon  Rabbi  ul  Sauhij  in  the  Ye#r 
oif  Hegira,  11 77,  equal  to  the  29th  of  06tober|  1763* 
N.  B.  This  is  Twice  mentioned. 

Rcgifter^d  in 'the  Nabob's  own  Office  the  fame  Day. 


Tirmaun  frcm  the  Mogul,  being  a  Ccnfirmatien  tf  th^  Nab*i>*s  Grant g  td  tbt  Company  in 

the  Gar na fie. 

In  thefe  happy  Times,  Our  Firmaun,  full  of  Splendor,  aod  worthy  of  Ol}edience  in 
ail,  is  defcended,  purporting.  That  whatever  formerly  has  been  given  by  preceding 
Moguls,  or  lately  by  Serajah  Dowlah  Mahomed  Ally  Khan,  from  the  Circar  of  the 
Carnatic,  in  the  Parts  above  Madras,  &c.  to  the  High,  Mighty,  &c.  8cc.  Engliih  Com- 
pkny  :  We>  in  Confideration  of  their  great  Pains  and  Services,  have,  from  our  Throne^ 

D  d  a  th§ 

id4  P  A  R  L  I  A  M  E  K  T  A  R  Y  A.  17^2- 

the  Bafis  of  the  World,  conferred  upon,  or  confirmed  to  them,  by  way  of  laaom  or 
Free  Gift,  without  allowing  any  Perfon  whatever  any  Part  or  Share  therein-  You, 
therefore,  our  Sons,  Omrahs,  Vizirs,  Governors,  MuttaHeddees,  for  the  Affairs  of 
the  Dewanihip ;  Mootecophils  for  thofe  of  our  Kingdom,  Jaghiredars  and  Karorees, 
both  now  and  hereafter,  for  ever  and  ever^  exert  yourfelves  in  the  ftrengthening  and 
carrying  into  Executioi^thls  our  Moil  High  Command,  and  cede  and  give  np  to  the 
tbove-mehtioned  Engllih  Company,  their  Heirs  and  Defcendants,  for  ever  and  ever, 
the  aforefaid  Clrcar;  and  efteeming  them  likewile  as  entirely  exempt,  free^  and  fafe 
from  all  DIfplacingor  Removal,  by  no  Means  whatever  moleft  or  trouble  them,  either 
on  Account  of  the  Demands  of  the  Dewan^s^Office,  or  thofe  of  our  Imperial  Court* 

Lookine  upon  this  high  Firmaun  as  an  abibluce  and  pofitive  Order,  obey  it  implicitly. 

Dated  the  24th  of  the  MoOrt  Sophar,  in  the  S  xth  Year  of  our  Reign,  equal  to  the 
sath  of  Auguili  1765. 

APPENDIX      N'  10. 

A  Copy  tfReqttefti  made  by  Colonel  Forde  to  Nabob  Salahut  Jung,  and  bis  Compliamt 

thereto f  in  bis  ott/n  Hand* 

THE  Whole  of  the  Circat  of  Mazulipatamr  with  Eight  Diftri^b,  as  well  as  the 
Circar  of  Nizampatam,  and  the  DlAridis  of  Condavir  and  Wacalmanner,  flial)  be 
given  to  the  EngliHi  Company  as  an  Inaum  or  Free  Gift^  and  the  Sunnuds  granted  to  them 
in  the  fame  Manner  as  was  done  to  the  French* 

The  Nabob  Sabalat  Jung  will  oblige  the  French  Troops  which  are  in  his  Country,  t* 
pafs  the  River  Osinges  vnthin  Fifteen  Days,  or  fend  them  to  Pondicherry,  or  to  any  odicr 
Place  out  of  the  Dec  ad  Country,  on  the  other  Side  of  the  River  K.iftna ;  in  future  he  will 
not  fufier  them  to  have  a  Settlement  in  this  Country,  on  any  Account  whatfoever,  nor 
Iceep  them  in  his  Service,  nor  alfift  them,  nor  call  them  to  his  Ailiftance. 

The  Nabob  will  not  demand  or  call  Cauzeputty  Rauze  to  an  Account  for  what  be  has 
collected  out  of  the  Circars  beloilging  to  the  French,  nor  for  the  Computation  of  his  Reve- 
nues of  his  own  Country  in  the  prefent  Year,  but  let  him  remain  peaceablc'in  it  iji  future, 
and  according  to  th?  Computation  of  the  Revenues  of  his>  Country,  before  the  Time  of 
the  French,  agreeable  to  the  Ciiftom  of  his  Grandfather  and  Father  j  and  as  was  then  paid 
to  the  Circar,  (o  he  will  now  aft  and  pay  accordingly  to  the  Circar  *,  and  if  he,  the  Rajah, 
docs  not  agree  to  it,  then  the  Nabob  may  do  what  he  plcafes.  la  all  Cafes  the  Nabob  will 
not  aflift  the  Enemies  of  the  Englifli,  nor  give  them  Protedtion. 

The  Englifli  Company,  on  their  Part,  will  not  aflill  tiie  Nabob's  Enemies,  nor  give 
them  Protedlion* 

Dated  Moon  Ramadan,  the  i6th  Hegira,  1772,  which  is  the  14th  of  May  1759. 

♦  I  fwear  by  God  and  his  Prophet,  and  upon  the  holy  Alcoran,  that  I  with  Plcafure 
agree  to  the  Rcqucfts  fpeciiied  in  this  Paper,  and  flaail  not  deviate  Jiom  it,  even  an  Hair's 


Firmaun  from  the  Mogul  for  the  Northern  Qircah, 

In  thcfc  happy  Times,  our  Firmaun,  full  of  Splendor,  and  worthy  of  Obedience,  is 
defcended,  purporting,  That  whereas  Salabat  Jung  Behauder,  Subahdar  of  the  Decan, 
conferred  the  Circar  or  Siccacole,  &c.  on  the  French  Company  j  and  that,  in  Confequencc 

*  In  the  Nabob's  own  Hand,  which  may  ht  fccn  on  the  Top  of  tlxe  Original,  as  well 
M  hi*  Grand  Swl. 


A.  1782.  D    E    B    A    T    fe    S,  ioj 

of  its  not  being  confirmed, by  us,  either  by  Fitmaim  or  othehvife,  the  high,  mighty,  glo- 
rious Chiefs  of  the  Khans,  chofen  of  the  Omrahs  Sepoy  Sardars,  truly  fiiithful,  worthy  of 
receiving  Favours  and  Obligations,  our  invariable  and  never  failing  Friends  and  Well- 
wiihers,  the  F.nglifli  Company  (having  fent  alarg^  Force  for  that  Purpofe)  did  expel  the 
French  therefrom  j  V/t  thercforei,  in  Coniideration  of  the  Fidelity  and  goodWiflies  of 
the  above  High,  Mighty,  &c.  &c.  EngliOi  Company,  have',  from  our  Throne^  the 
Bafis  of  the  VVorld,  givep  them  the  aforementioned  Circars,  by  Way  of  Inaum  or  Free 
Gift,  without  the  leaft  Participation  of  any  Perfon  whatever  in  the  fame,  from  the 
Beginning  of  the  Fufiul  of  Tuccaucooul,  in  the  Year  of  Phafely  11 7:^,  equal  to  the 
Month  of  April  1762.:  It  is  incumbent  therefore  on  you  our  Sons,  Omrahs,  Vizirs, 
Governors,  Muttafleddees  for  the  Affairs  of  our  Dewanfliip,  Mootecophils  for  thofe  of 
our  Kingdom,  Jaghiredars  and  Karorces,  both  now  and  hereafter,  for  ever  and  ever, 
to  uffe  your  Endeavours  in  the  ftrengthening  and  carrying  into  F.xetution  this  our  moii 
high  Command^  and  to  cede  and  give  up  to  thie  abovementioned  F.nglifh  Company,  their 
Keirs  and  Defcendants,  for  ever  and  ever,  the  aforefaid  Circars ;  and  eftaeming  them 
likewife  free,  exempt,  and  fafc  from  all  Difplacing  or  Removal,  by  no  Means  whatever 
cichermoleft  or  trouble,  them,  on  Account  of  tlie  Demands  of  the  Dewan's  Ol£ce,  or 
thofe  of  our  Imperial  Court. 

Looking  upon  this  high  Firmaun  as  an  abfolute  and  pofitive  Order,  ob«y  it  implicitly. 

Dated  the  24th  of  the  Moon  Sophar,  in  the  Sixth  Year  of  our  Reign,  equal  to  the 
i2thof  Auguft,  i765» 

Forms  made  ufe  of  on.  the  Back  of  ijbe  Firmautt. 

From  the  Secretary,  fetting  forth.  That  his  Majeftyhad  been  pleafed  to  fign  a  Peti- 
tion (fuppofed  to  be  from  the  Company)  of  the  fame  JUate  as  the  Firmaun,  directing. 
That  whereas  Salabut  Jung  Behauder,  Subahder  of  the  Decan,  conferred  the  Circar  of 
Siccacole,  &c.  on  the  French  C^ompany}  and  that  in  Confequence  of  Its  not  being  con- 
firmed by  his  Majefty,  either  by  Firmaun  or  otherwife,  the  High,  Mighty,  &c.  &c. 
Engiiih  Company  (having  fent  a  large  Force  for  that  Purpofe)  did  expel  tlie  faid  French 
therefrom;  his  Majefty  therefore,  in  Confideratiort  of  theFidelity  of  the  aforefaid  Eng- 
lish Company,  has  given  them  (without  the  Participation  of  any  Perfon  whatever  in  the 
fame)  the  above-mentioned  Circars,  by  way  of  Inaum  or  Free  Gift. 

Then  follow  Two  Orders  from  the  Mogul ;  the  fiiil  fuppofed  to  be  in  his  own  Hand, 
addrefled  to  his  Son,  Mirza  Mahomed  Akbur  Shah  Behauder,  telling  him  to  comply 
with  the  Contents  of  this  Firmaun ;  the  other  direding,  that  the  Englilh  Company  be 
Under  his  Son's  Command,  or  in  his  RelTaula. 

The  Whole  attefted  under  Kazi  Inauyet  Khan's  Seal,  to  be  a  true  Copy  from  the 

A  Treaty  of  perpetual  Ilonoury  Favour,  Alliartce,  and  Attachment, 

Between  the  Great  Nabob,  high  in' Station,  famous  as  the  Sun,  Nabob  Aufuph  Jaw, 
Nizam  ul  Mulck,  Nizam  ua  Dowla,  Meer  Nizam  Ally  Cawn,  Behauder  Phuttah 
Jung,  Sepoy  Sardar,  and  the  Honourable  Engliih  Eaft  india  Company. 

Signed,  fcaled,  and  ratilicd,  on  the  one  Part,  by  his  Highnefs  the  faid  'Nabob,  and 
on  the  other,  by  John  Caillaud,  Efquire,  Brigadier  General,  invefted  with  full 
Powers  on  Eehali"  of  the  faid  Company. 

Done  at  Hydrabad,  the  Ninth  of  the  Moon  Gemace-duffuny,  in  the  Year  of  Hegvra 
II  3c,  equal  to  the  12th  of  November  1766.  •  ' 

Article  i. 
The  Two  contra^ing  Parties  do,  by  virtue  of  this  Treaty  of  Honour,  Favour,  Alli- 
ance, and  Friendlhip,  lolemniy  engage  a  mutual  Aififtance,  to  efteem  the  Enemies  of 
one  the  Enemies  of  both,  and  contrarywiie,  the  Frieads  of  one  the  Friends  of  the 

Article  2. 
The  Honourable  Engli/h  Eaft-India  Company,  in  Return  for  the  gracious  Favours  re- 
ceived fronn  iiii  Highncls,  coniiihng  of  Saneds  for  the  iivz  Circars  of  Elloar,  Sia:acole, 
Kajahmandry,  Muftephanagur,  and  Murtezanagur,  expreffing  the  Free  Gift  thereof,  on 
tbem  and  tneir  Heirs  for  ever  and  ever,  do  promife  and  engage  to  have  a  Body  of  Troops 
reajy  to  fettle  the  Afi'airs  of  his  Highnch's  Government,  in  every  Thijp^  chat  is  rigHt  and 


lod         ^        fARLlAMEJiTARY  A.  iy^ii 

proper^  whenever  requiredy  provided  that  they  be  at  Liberty  to  withdraw  the  WIt>le,  or 
luch  Part  thereof  as  they  fliall  judge  proper,  whenever  either  the  Safety  of  their  own  Set- 
ttements  and  Poife/nons^  or  the  Peace  and  TrancjuiUity  of  (he  Camatic,  be  the  ]eafl  en- 
dangered. In  cafe  of  the  falling  out  of  which  CircumAances  f  which  God  forbid)  they  do 
promife  and  engage  to  give  ^e  moft  timely  Notice  thereof  to  his  HighneTsy  in  xhta 

Article  3. 
The  honourable  Engliih  Eaft-India  Company  do  further  engage  and  promife,  thit  ia 
whatever  Year  the  Amftance  of  their  Troops  (hall  not  be  required,  they  will  pay  to  his 
Highnefs,  as  a  Confideration  for  the  Free  Gift  of  the  above-mentioned  Five  Circars,  for 
ever  and  ever,  the  following  Sums,  bv  Kifts,  as  fpecified  in  the  Eighth  Article  of  thi} 
Treaty;  vis.  for  the  Three  Circars  of  Rajahmundry,  £llour,  and  Muftephanagur,  Five 
Lacks  of  Rupees }  and  for  thofe  of  Si'ccacole  and  Murtezanagur,  as  foon  as  they  are  in 
their  Hands,  and  the  fettling  the  fame  is  well  efie£b:d»  Two  Lacks  each,  in  all  Nine 
Lacks  of  Rupe^  per  Annum. 

Article  4. 
TheRedu^ion  of  the  Siccacole  Circar,  by  the  BleAingof  God,  the  Comparfy  will  cfieS 
ts  foon  as  po0ibie ;  but  that  of  Murtezanagur,  in  Confideration  of  his  Highnefs  having, 
by  former  Agreements,  given  it  to  his  Brother  Bazalet  Jung,  as  a  Jaghire,  the  honourable 
Englifl)  Eaft-India  Company  do  promife  and  engage  not  to  take  PoiieiCon  of,  until  it  be 
his  Highnefs's  Pleafuit^  or  until  the  Demife  of  his  faid  Brother ;  But  to  prevent  all  future 
Difputes  and  Difhculties  that  may  hereafter  arife  concerning  the  fame,  the  aforefaid  Com*' 
pany  do  further  explain  their  Intentions  in  t^e  following  Artide : 

Article  5. 
As  the  Circar  of  Murtezanagur  borders  on  that  of  Niaampatam  and  the  Country  of  the 
Camatic,  which,  by  virtue  of  the  former  and  prefent  Treaties  and  Alliances,  the  aforelaid 
Company  are  bound  to  maintain  and  protedt  in  all  its  Extent;  therefore,  in  cafe  the  faid 
Bazai«:t  Jung,  his  Agents  or  Dependents  (hould  caufe  any  Dilhirbances  to  the  Prejudice 
thereof,  it  is  hereby  agreed  on  by  both  Parties,  that  the  aforeiaid  Company  (hall  tKop  have 
it  in  their  Power  to  taJce  immediate  Po<ieflion  of  that  Circar. 

Article  6. 

As  by  the  Tenor  of  the  Second  Article  of  this  Treaty,  the  aforefaid  Company  have 
engaged  to  funiiih  a  Body  of  Troops,  to  be  ready  to  march  to  the  Afliftance  of  hif 
Highnefs,  it  is  agreed  on  by  both  Parties,  that  the  Expences  thereof  fhall  be  paid  in  tlie 
following  Manner}  to  wit,  If  the  Expence  of  the  Number  of  Troops  his  Highnefs  majr 
require,  flu>ttld  fall  fliort  of  the  Sum  of  five  Lacks  of  Rupees,  mentioned  to  be  paid  for  the 
Thi^c  CircaA  of  Rajahmundry,  E Hour,  and^Muilephanagur,  the  Company  will  account 
to  his  Highnefs  for  what  Balance  may  remain  due  j  and  in  cale  of  its  exceeding  the  abow- 
mentiooed  Sum,  the  aforefaid  Company  do  hereby  engage  themfelvcs  to  be  anfwerable  tor 
the  Payment  of  the  Remainder.  The  fame  Agreement:  in  Like  Manner  to  hold  good  tor 
the  Sams  ftipulated  to  be  paid  for  the  Two  Circars  of  Siccacole  and  Mi^rtczanagor  wheo 

Article  7. 

In  Confideration  of  the  Fidelity,  Attachment,  and  Services  of  the  aforefaid  Company, 
and  the  Dependence  his  Highnefs  has  upon  them,  his  faid  Highnefs,  out  of  his  gre^t 
Favour  does  hereby  entirely  acquit  the  above-mentioned  CircaiS  of  all  Anean  and  De- 
mands, down  to  the  prefent  Dau:  of  tliefe  Writings. 

Article  8. 
In  cafe  the  Aififtance.of  the  Honourable  Company^s  Troops  is  not  required^  the  a&nual 
ftlpulated  Sum  exprefled  in  the  Third  Article  of  this  Treaty,  the  aforefaid  Company  do 
ttiga^  xa  pay  in  Three  Kifts,  after  the  following  Maimer,  and  to  give  Boucar  Security  for 
the  lame }  viz.  The  Firfl  Payment,  the  Thirty  -firfl  of  March  j  the  Second,  the  Thirtieth 
of  June  'y  and  tlie  Thud,  the  Thirty-firft  of  Odober. 

Article  9. 
Whenever  his  Highnefs  goes  into  Winter  Quarters,  and  the  Troops  of  the  othtt  Sardan 
hs-ve  Leave  for  that  Purpofe,  thol'e  of  the  aforefaid  Company  fliall  have  Leave  alfo  to  de« 
part  to  their  own  Country. 

Article  lu 

A.  1782.  'DEBATES.  $07 

Article  lo.  ♦  ^ 
.  His  Highnefs  engages  to  give  as  early  Notice  as  pollible,  (not  lefs  than  Three  Months) 
pf  the  Service  in  which  he  will  require  the  Ailiftance  of  the  Troops  of  the  aforefaii 
Company,  that  they  may  have  timely  Notice  to  make  the  neceflary  Preparations ;  an4 
that  the  Number  of  Troops  fent  may  be  fufficient  for  the  Service  required  of  them,  of 
which  the  aforefaid  Company  are  to  be  left  the  entire  and  fole  Judges ;  and  as  the  Succeff 
of  all  Expeditions  depends  much  upon  Secrecy  in  Council,  both  Parties  do  hereby  engage 
themfelves  not  to  reveal  any  fuch  Defigns  as  they  may  con^municate  to  each  other,  until 
every  Thing  on  both  Sides  is  ready  for  Execution. 

Article  ii. 
The  Honourable  Englifh  Eaft-India  Coqjpany,  in  Con(iderat!on  of  theDIatpond  Mines^ 
with  the  Villages  appertaining  thereto,  having  been  always  dependent  uporfhis  Highnefs*! 
Government,  do  hereby  agree  that  the  fame  ihall  remain  in  his  PoOeilion  now  aUb* 

Article  la. 

His  Highnefs,  in  order  to  comnnce  the  whole  World  of  the  great  ConHdence  and  Truft 
Jierepofes  in  the  Engliih  Nation,  agrees  and  confents,  that  the  Fortof  Condapillee  fliall 
be  entirely  garrifoned  by  the  Troops  of  theaforefaid  Company;  in  Coniideration  of  which 
the  aforefaid  Company  do  hereby  agree  and  confent  likcwife,  that  there  be  a  Killed ar 
therein  on  the  Part  of  his  Highnef9>  and  that  the  ufuai  Jaghire  annexed  to  the  Killedary 
iluill  be  ceded  to  him* 

Article  13. 

In  virtue  of  this  Treaty  of  mutual  Favour,  Alliance,  and  Fricnd/hip,  between  the  Two 
contraAing  Parties,  his  Highnefs  promifes  and  engages  to  alfift  the  aforefaid  Company  with 
his  Troops,  when  required,  referving  to  himfelf  the  feme  Liberty  of  withdrawing  the 
Whole,  or  any  Part  thereof,  in  the  fame  Mannei^  as  is  expreHed  for  the  aforefaid  Company 
;q  the  Second  Article  of  this  Treaty^  whenever  the  fame  ihall  become  neceiTary. 

Article  14. 
In  virtue  of  the  above  Treaty  of  Favour,  Alliance*  an$i  Friendship)  both  Parties  do  mu- 
tually and  folemnly  engage  to  the  panftoal  and  (bri^  Obfervance  of  all  and  every  one  of 
the  above-mentioned  Articles ;  that  from  this  Tiii^e  all  Doubts  and  Sufpicions  fliall  ceafe 
between  them,  and  in  theurRoom  a  perpetual,  juft,  and  fincere  Confidence  be  eftabiiihe^, 
fo  that  the  great  Affairs  pf  the  Decan  Government,  and  the  Bufinefs  of  the  Company,  may  >. 
encreafe  every  Day  in  fionbur,  Riches,  and  Happinefs,  firom  Generation  to  Generation. 

In  Confirmation  of  which  his  Highnefs  on  the  one  Part,  and  John  Caillaud,  Efquire,  Bri- 
gadier General,  inveded  with  full  Powers  from  the  Englifli  Company,  on  tihe  other, 
have  hereunto  affixed  their  Hands  and  Seals. 

Dated  at  Hydrabad  the  9th  of  the  Moon  Gett^ace-dufiifny,  i^  the  Ycat  of  Hegyra  1 180, 
equal-  to  the  12th  of  November  1766^ 

A  TREATY  of  perpetual  Friend&ip  and  Alliance,  made  and  concluded  at  Fort  St.  George, 

Between  the  honourable  United  Company  of  Merchants  of  England  trading  to  the  Eaft-? 
Indies,  in  Conjumdlion  with  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  OmdetuI  Mulck,  Ummeer-ul- 
Hind,  Serajah  Dowlah,  Anneverdeen,  Cawn  Behauder,  Monfoor  Jung,  Sippa  Sardar 
of  the  CamaticPayen  Gaut,  on  the  one  Part;  and  the  Great  Nabob,  high  in  Station, 
Aufuph  Jau,  Nizam*ul-Mulck,  Meer  Nizamj  Ally  Cawn  Behauder,  Phuttah  ]nng, 
Sippa  Sardar,  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  on  the  other  Part;  by  the  honourable  Charles 
Bourchier,  Efquire,  Prefident  and  Governor  of  Fort  Saint  George,  and  the  Council 
thereof,  on  Behalf  of  the  faid  Engliih  Eafi^India  Company,  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jaa, 
OmdetuI  Mulck,  on  Behalf  of  himfelf,  as  Nabob  of  the  Carnatic,  and  the  Nabob 
'  Ruccun-ud-Dowlah,  Dewan,  invcfted  with  full  Powers  on  Behalf  of  the  faid  Nabob 
Aufuph  Jau,  Nizam-ul-Mulck,  his  Heirs  ^nd  SuccelTors,  as  Soubah  of  the  Decan. 

pone  on  the  23d  Day  of  February,  in  the*  Year  1768  of  the  Chriftian  iEra,  and  oa  the 
4th  of  the  Moun  i^hevavl>  in  the  Year  of  the  Hegyra  J 18  !• 

2o8  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1785. 

I     • 

The  Tnaty. 

Whereas  on  the  12th  of  November,  in  the  Year  of  tb*?  Chriftian  ^i^ra  1766^  or  on  the 
15th  of  the  Moon  Gcmace-dufTuny,  in  the  Year  of  the  Hegyra  1180,;  a  Treaty  was  con- 
cluded at  Hydrabad,  by  and  between  General  John  Caillaud,  inverted  with  full  Powers,  on 
Behalf  of  the  Engliih  ?"a{l-JndiaC6mpany,  and  the  "Nabob  Aufuph  JaujNizaTn-uUMukkj 
ice,  on  Eehalf  of  himiclf,  as  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  with  a  Defign  to  eftablifh  an  honourable 
and  lafting  Friendihip  and  Alliance  between  the  Two  contra£i:ing  Powers}  and  whaeas 
Ibrae  Mifunderftandings  have  fmce  arifen,  which  have  perverted  tlie  Intent  of  the  fa^ci' 
Treaty,  and  kindled  up  the  Flames  of  War  :  Now,  be  it  known  fo  the  whole  World,  th.-.t 
the  before- mentioned  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau,  and  the  English  Company,  wjth  tht-  Nabrjb 
Wolau  |au,  have  entered  into  another  Treaty,  of  the  ftridleft  Friendihip  and  Alliance,  uii 
the  following  Conditions : 

Article  i.  r 

The  exalted  and  illuftrious  Emperor  of  Hindoftan,  Shaw  AllumPadtcha  having,  out 
of  his  gracious  Favour,  and  in  Confideration  of  the  Attachment  and  Services  of  the  Eng- 
liihEaft  India  Company,  given  and  granted  to  them  forever,  by  Way  of  Inaum  or  Free 
.Gift,  the  FiveCircar^  of  Muftephanagur,  Rajahmundry,  Siccacole,  and  Murtezanagur, 
of  Contiavir,  by  his  Royal  FirmaunJ,  dated  the  izthof  Auguft  1765,  or  on  die  2.4tK 
pf  the  Moon  Suphier,  in  the  6th  Year  of  his  Reign,  jmd  the  Nabob  Aui'uph  jau,  Nizam- 
v\  Mulck,  as  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  having,  by  the  Second  and  Thi.d  Articles  of  the  - 
afore-menticned  Treaty,  ceded  and  furrendered  by  Saneds,  under  his  Hand  and  Seal,  to 
the  Englifli  Eaft  India  Company  for  ever,  the  afore-mcntioned  Five  Circars  5  it  is  now 
further  acknowledged  and  agreed  by  the  faid  Aufuph  Jau,  Ni?am-ul-Mulck,  Soubah  of 
the  Decan^  that  the  laid  Company  fhall  enjoy  and  hold  for  ever,  as  their  Kight  and 
property,  the  faid  Five  Clrcars^  on  th^  Terms  hereafter  mentioned. 

Article  a. 

By  the  afore-mentioned  Treaty  of  Hydrabad,  it  was  ftlpulated,  that  the  Nabob  Au- 
fuph ]au,  having  given  the  Circar  of  Murtezanagur  as  a  Jaghirc  to  his  Brother  the 
Ivabob  Ummeer  ul  Omrah,  Soujah  ul  Mulck  Behauder,  Bazalet  Jung,  the  Company 
ihould  not  take  Poflcflion  of  the  faid  Circar,  till  after  the  Deatji  of  bazalet  Jung,  or 
till  he  broke  the  Friendfhip  with  the  faid  Company,  by  railing  Difturbances  in  die 
Country  of  Nizampatam,  or  the  Carnatic ;  and  though  the  Company  might  juftly  claim 
a  Right  to  take  Pofleflion  of  the  faid  Circar,  from  the  late  Condud:  of  Bazalet  Jung,  ' 
yet,  in  Confideration  of  their  Friendihip  for  Aufuph  Jau  and  his  Family,  and  that  Jthcy 
may  not  dilhefs  his  Aff'airs,  by  obliging  him  to  provide  his  Brother  Bazalet  Jung  with 
another  Jaghire,  the  Company  do  agree  and  confent,  that  Bazalet  Jung  i^ill  hold  the 
Circar  of  Murtezanagur  on  the  aforefaid  Conditions,  or  till  it  be  the  Picafure  of 
Aufuph  Jau,  that  the  Company  ihould  take  Pofleffion  thereof  j  provided  that  the  faid 
Bazalet  Jung  returns  immediately  to  fiis  own  Country  of  Adoriy,  and  neither  keeps 
with  nor  receives  from  HyderNaigue,  any  Vackeel  or  Correfpondencej  but  lives  in 
Peace  and  Harmony  with  the  Engliih  Company  and  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  and  gives  no 
Proteftion  or  Aiiiftancc  whatever  to  the  faid  Naigue,  or  any  pf  his  People,  nor  any 
other  Enemies  of  the  Company  or  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau  :  But  if  this  Article  {hall  at 
any  Time  be  infringed,  the  Company  ihall  be  at  Liberty,  by  virtue  -of  this  Treaty,  .to 
take  Pofleilion  of,  and  keep  the  Circar  of  Murtezanagur,  in  the  fame  Manner  as  the 
other  Four  J  and  the  Ngbob  Aufuph  Jau  engages  to  aijift  them  therein  with  his  Troops, 

Article  3, 

The  Fort  of  Condapillee,  with  its  Jaghire,  fliall  for  ever  hereafter  remain  in  Pof- 
fclTiDn  of  the  Engliih  Company,  and  be  garrifoned  with  their  Troops,  under  their  owrx 
Officers  only  J  notwithilanding  any  Thing  to  the  contrary  ilipulacedin  the  12th  Article 
of  the  Treaty  of  Hydrabad. 

Article  4. 
Narraindoo,  one  of  the  Zemindars  of  the  Circar  of  Siccacole,  having  lately  ralfed 
Difturbances  in  the  Itchapore  Country,  .and  refufed  (as  he  alledges,  in  Conformity  to 
the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau's  Orders)  to  pay  his  Rents,  or  'Obedience  to  th?  Company,  the 
Nabob  Aufuph  Jau  agrees,  on  the  Signing  and  Exchange  of  the  prefent  lieaLV,  to 
write  Letters  not  9nly  to  Narraindoo,  but  to  blithe  Zemindars  in  the  Circars  of  El- 

4       ■' 

tour,  Muilephanagurr  Rajahmiindry,  and  Side accl'e,  acquainting  tliem',  that  they  are'iri 
future  to  Tegard^  the  Englifh  Company  as  their  Sovereign,  and  to  pay  their  Rents  aiifiji 
Obedience  to  the  f:^id.  Company,  or  their  Deputies,  without  raifihg  any  Troubles  or 
■jDifturbances ;  The  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau  furt3leI^ agrees,  'that  he  v^^ilt'hot  in  future  encoaragt: 
or  prote£l  in  raidng  Troubles  or  Difobedien'ce,-  any  Zemindars,  Renter,  of  Servants  of 
the  Englith  Company,  or  the  NabohWolau  Jiu  j  who- on  their  Parts  en^ajc  the  fam6 
to  his  Highnefs  Aufuph  Jau* 

Article  $.  ■  '    .. 

It  has  been  theconftant  Defire  and  Endeavour  df  the  Engliili  Company,  art<f  tKe  Na- 
bob Wolau  Jau,  to  preferve  their  PolTeffions  in  Peace,  and  to  live  on  Terms  of  Friendfhip 
with  the  Soubah  of  the  Decan;  they  ftill  defire  to  do  the  fame  5  andthough  the  Opera-f 
tions  of  War  have  lately  obliged  the  Company  to  fend  their  Troops  towards  Hydrabad^ 
and  to  take  PoiTeflion  qf  the  CircaTS  of.Commaract  and  Worrfngolft^  yet,  as  a  Proof  of 
their  Friendihip  for  the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau,  &c.  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  on  the  Signing 
and  Exchange  of  this  Treaty,  the  Company's  Trttops  fliall  be  recalled  to  the  Fort  of  Com- 
mamet,  fromwh^ice  theyftall  alforedre  into  their  ov^n  Circart,  fo  fooo  as  the  Soubah,- 
withhis  Army^  hascroffedthe  Kiftnah,  leaving  the  Fort  of  Comma'met  to  the  Soubah' J 
Deputy.  And  as  a  farther  Proof  of  the  Company's  fincere  Defire  to  prelerve  a  Friendfhip 
with  the  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  they  agree  to  bury  in  Oblivion  what  is  paft,  and  to  pay 
him  annually,  for  the.  Space  of  Six  Years,  to  be  com'pute^d  from  the  ift  erf  Jj(nuary  1768, 
or  the  ioth  of  the  Moon  Shibaun,  in  the  Year  of  the  Hegyra  1181,  the  Sum. of  Two 
Lacks  of  Arcot  Rupees,  at  Madras  or  MazulipatanK  5  that  is  to  fay.  One  Lack  on  the 
31ft  of  March,  and  alfo  One  Lack  on  the  31ft  of  OGtohir,  or  Two  Lacks  every  Year, 
and  One  Lack  more  at  each  of  thefe  Periods,  whenever  the  Circar  of  Coitdavir  is  put  into 
thp  Company's  Pofiefiion*  The  Company  moreover  promife,  that  if  they  peaceably  pof- 
fefs  the  Circars  during  the  aforcfaid  Term  of  Six  Years,  and  the  Soubah  gives  them  no 
Trouble,  they  will  pay  Annually,  fronathe  iftof  Januatry  1774,  the  Sunj  of  Five  Lacks, 
in  Two  equal  Payments,  as  before  exprofled }  or  of  Seven  Lacks,  ifCondavir  be  then  in 
their  Poffeflion ;  but  in  cafe  the  Soubah,  or  the  Marattas,  by  his  Iriftigation,  ihbuld  in- 
vade the  Circars  or  Carnatic,  or  they,  or  any  other  Power  fhould  conquer  the  Circars 
from  the  Engli/h  Company,  the  Payment  of  the  faid  Sums  fliall  be  fufpended  tiUPeace, 
and  the  Circats  are  reftored  to  the  Company; 

Article  ^.  ' 
It  was  fUpoIated,  in  the  fornaer  Treaty  made  at  Hydrabad,  that  the  Company  and  the 
Soubah  ihould  mutually  aflift  each  other  with  their  Troops,  when  required,  and  their  owii 
Aifairs  would  permit  j  but  itl>eing  apprehended  at  prefent  that  fach  an  Agreement  may 
fubje^  both  Parties  to  Difficulties,  a:nd  thatMifunderftandihgs  may  arife  on  that  Account, 
it  i^  now  agreed  only,  diat  a  mutual  Peace,  Confidence,  and  Friendfhip,  fhall  fubfifl  for 
ever  between  the  Englifh  Company,  his  Highnefs  Aufuph  Jau,  and  the  Njrbob  Wolaut 
Jau  j  the  Enemies  of  either  fhall  be  regarded  as  the  Enemies  of  tlie  other'Two  Powers, 
and  the  Friends  of  either  *be  treated  as  the  Friends  of  all:  And  in  cAfe  any  Troubles 
Aould  arife,  or  any  Eaeraies  invade  the  Countries  under  the  Government  of  either  of  th*5 
contradting  Parties,  the' other  Two  fhall  give  no  Countenance  or  Afliftance  to«fuch 
Enemies  or  Invaders  j  'the  Company,  and  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  willing  however  to  fhcw 
their  voluntary  Attachment  to  the  Soubah,  will  always  he  ready  to  fend  two  Battalicns  ojf 
Sepoys,  and  tiix"  Pieces  of  Artillery,  manned  by  Europeans,  Whenever  the  Soubah  fhall 
require-  them,  and  the  Situation  of  £heir  Affairs  \vill  allow  of  fuch  a  Body  of  Troops  to 
march  into  the  Decan  ^  provided  the  Soubah  |)aysthe  Expcnce  Jurin^  the  Time  that  the 
fild  Troops  are  employed  in  his  Service. 

Article  7.     » 

The  exalted  and  ilhiftrious  Emperor  Shaw  AUttm  having  l)e<*n  pleafed,  out  c^  his  grc^.t 
Favour  and  high  Efleem  for  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  to  give  and  grant  to  him  and  his  cldcli 
Son,  Meyen  ul  Mulck  Oradetul  Omrah,  and  their  Heirs  for  ever,  the  Government  of  the 
Cam?itic  Payen  Gaut,  and  the  Countries  dependent  thereon,  by  his  Royaf  Firmaund, 
bearing  Date  the  a6thof  A"uguft  1765,  or  the  27th  of  the  Moon  Ztiplrar,  in  tlie  6th 
Year  of  the  faid  Emperor's  Rejgn ;  and  the  Nabob  Aufuph  J^iu^  Nizam  ul  Mulck,  &c, 
having  alfo,  out  of  his  Afie^ion  and  Regard  for  the  faid  Nabob  Wolau  J  au,  releafed  him. 
Lis  Son  Meyen  ul  Jk^ulck,  &c  and  their  Heirs  in  SuccefTion  for  ever,  from  all  Dcpend- 
eace  on  the  Decam^  nd  giwoJiin  a  fuUDifebxrge  of  all  Demands,  pafl,  prefent^  and  to 

^f^v.yU  S  «  eomc. 

fio  P  A  R  i  I  A  M  E  W  T  A  R  r  A.  if^ia 

come»  en  the  (aid  Carnatic  Payen  Gatit,  by  a  Saned  under  h>s  Hand  and  Seal,  dated  1ihr 
I2th  of  November  1766,  in  Confideradon  of  tlie  faidNabob  Wolau  Jan  having  paid  the 
Sou  bah  Five  LacJu  of  Rupees,  it  is  now  agreed  and  acknovv^edged  by  thefaid  Aufuph  Ja« 
Nizam  ul  Mulck,  that  die  (aid  Nabob  Wolau  Jau>  and  after  him  his  Son  Meyen  ul 
Muicky  and  their  Heirs  in  Succeflion)  fliall  enjoy  for  ever,  as  an  Ultumgau,  or  Fiee 
Gift,  the  Government  of  theCarnatic  PayenGaut,  in  the  fulleft  and  ampleft  Manner ; 
the  faid  Nabob  Aufuph  Jaw  promifing  and •  engaging  not  to  hold  oriceep  up  any  Kind  d 
Correfpondence  with  any  Pofon  or  Perfonsrin  die  faid  Carnatic  Payen  Gauti  or  in  tlic 
Circars  before  and  now  ceded  to  tlie  EngUih  Company,  excepniic  faid-Nabott^Wolku  }au, 
or  the  faid  Sngliih  Company,  by  the  Means  of  their  Prtfident  and  Conncii  of  Madras ; 
who  on  their  Part,  in  ConjunAion  with  the  faid  Nabob  W<4au  Jau^  engage  likewife  not 
to  hold  or  maintain  any  Correfpondence  ^tii  any  Perfon  or  PeHons  in  the  Decan,  except 
theNabob  Aufuph  J au>  hisDewan,  and  the  Securides  whofe  Names>ajpe  hereunto  fub- 

Article  8^ 

The  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau,  out  of  his  grearRegarditnd  AfieOilony  andfrom  otberCon^- 
dcrations,  having  been  pleafed  to  grant  and  confer  on  the  Nabob  Woiku  Ja\i,  and  his 
tidcit.  Son*  Mayen  ul  Mulck  Omdetul  Omrah,  feveralSaneds^  via. 

An  Ultumgau  Saned  for  theAVhole  of  the  Carnatic. 

An  Ultumgau  Saned  tor  the'  Whole  of  the  Pergunnah  of  Imungundela,  vdth  the 
Gudda.of  Ghunpoora.  " 

An  Ultumgau  Saned  for  the  Whole  of  the  Villa^s  of  Cathafera,  &c. 

An  Ultumgau  Saned  for  the  KiUcdary  of  the  Fort  of  Cokur. 

An  Ultumgau  Saned  for  the  Whole  of  the  Diftrift  of  Soncdaupe ;  and 

A  full  and  ample  Saned,  containing  a  Difcharge  for  all  Demands  pafti  prefent,  an^ 
future,  on  Account  of  the  Carnatic,  &c. 

It  is  hereby  agreed.  That  all  ^md  every  one  of  thefe-Saneds  fhall  bcTegarded  equally 
tending  with  any  other  Article  of  the  Treaty,  and  be  as  duly  obferved  by  the  Naboli. 
Aufucihjau,  as  if  entered- here  at  full  length. 

Article  9.  , 

Hydftr  Naigae  having  for  (bme  Years  paft  ufurped  the  Governmont  of  the  Myicn 
Country,  and  given  great  Difturbanees  to  his  Neighbours,  by  attacking  and  taking  from 
many  of  them  their  PoCleHions^  and  having  alfo  lately  invaded,  and  laid  vrafte  wtb 
Fire  andSviord,  the  PodnHionsr  of  the  Englifh  Compahy,  and  the 'Nabob  Wolau.  Jan,  in 
the  Carnatic,  it  is  certainly  neceflary,  for  the  Peace  and  for  the  general  Benefit  <^'  all  ths 
riejghbouring  Powei-s,  ^hat  the  faid  Naigue  ihould  be  puniihed,  and  reduced  fo  that  h; 
may  not  hereafter  have  the  Power  to  give  any  Perfon  farther  Trouble;  to  this  End,  th; 
Nabob  Aufuph  Jau<  hereby  4eclarc#  and  makes  known  to  all  the  World,  that  he  reganji 
thefaid  Naigue  as  a  Rebel  andUfurpcr,  and  as  fuch  divelhhim  of,  and  revokes  from 
him,  all  Saneds,  Honours,  and  Diftinftions,  confez^ed  by  himfelf,  or  any  other  Soobab 
of'the  Decan,  becaufe  the  faid  Naigue  has  deceived  the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau,  broken  1J» 
Agreement,  and  rendered  hirafclf  unworthy  of  all  further  Countenance  andFavouis* 

Article  lo.  I 

That  the  EnglMh  Compaiiy  mdy  Hereafter  carry  on  their  Trade  peaceaUy  on  this  Corf 

of  Coromandel,and  alfo  on  the  Coaft  of  Malabar  j  and  that  they,  wth  the  Nabob  Wolaii 

•^an,  may  hold  the  Carnatic  and  their  other  Poifeifions  in  Peace,  it  appears  necef&ry  tiiir 

the  Countries  of  Carnatic  Balagaute,  belonging  to  the  Soubahdiarry  of  Viziapour,  now* 

lutely  poflefled  byHyder  Naigue,:{hould  be  under  the  Management  and  Piote^ioD  of  thA< 

vbho.will  do  Jufttce,  and  pay  Obedience  to  the  high  Commands  from  Court;  it  is  dieretwf 

agreed  by  the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau,  that  he^hall  relinqpifh  to  the  Englilh  Company,  all  \^ 

jRight  to  the  Dcwannee  of  the  faid  Carnatic  Balagaute,  belonging  to  the  ScmbalMiany  or 

•Viziapour,  and  that  the  Companyihall  prefentan  Arzee  or  Petiti6n,  to  die  Royal  Hi^* 

fence,  to  obtain  from  the  Emperor  Shaw  Alkm,  a  Ftrmannd,  confirming  andapprovic; 

their  Right  tiieretp;  but  that  the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau,'  9s  Soubah  of  Decan,  may  not  Vk 

his  Dignity,  or  the'  Revenue  arifmg.from  the  faid  Countries;  the  Englifli  Company  agt^ 

to  pay  him  annually^  out  of  the  Dewannee  CoUe^on,  from  the  Time  they  are  in  PotiTn- 

fion  thereof,  the  Sum  of  Stfveh  Lacks  of  Arcdt  Rupees,  including  Durbar  Charges,  beiit 

the  Sum  annually  paid  heretofore,  in  Two  equal  Payments,  at  die  Space  of  Six  Moo^' 

itom  each  other  j  >provided  the  faid  Aufaph  Jau>  Soubah  of  the  De6an)  afiifts  the  u^ 


Company,  and  the  Nabob  WoUu  Jan,  in  puniihini;  Hydpr  N^igue,  and  neitber  recwva/i 

,  from  or  fends  wrficr  Vackecls  or  I«Ken  to  him. 


I         Article  II. 

As  theEngUih  Company  do  not  Intend  to  deprive  the  Marattas  of.t^ir  ChQWtCy  ang 
-more  than  the  Soubah  of  nts  Pifcuih,  which  uTed  to  be  paid  from  the  Camatic  Balagau^ 
belonging  to  the  Soubahdarry  of  Vizlapour,  now  or  lately  poiTeffed  by  Hyder  Naigue,  it  19 
hereby  a^ed^  and  the  Company  willingly  promife,  .to  pay  the  Marattas,  regularly  and 
annual!/,  without  Trouble,  for  the  whole  Choute,  as  fettled  ^in  former  Tiinesj  from  the 
Time  the  faid  Countries  fli^ll  be  under  the  Company's  Protection  as  Dewan ;  pravided 
•however  that  the  Marattas  gv^arantee  to  the  Company  the  peaceable  PoHeifion  {)f  the /aid 
Dewa;|nee:  To  thi^i  £nd,  the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau  promifes  to  ufe  his  beft  'Endeavours, 
jointly  ^ith  the  Engliih  and  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau^  to  fettic  with  the  Marattas  concerning 
ihe  Choi\te  of  the  faid  Countries,  how  and  where  it  is  to  be  paid,  fo  that  there  may  be  no 
DifhirbanCes  hereafter  en  that  Account^  .between  any  of  the  fontra^iftg  Parties  qi  the 
Marattas*  ... 

Article  12. 

All  the  foregoing  Articles  arc  lincerely  agreed  to  by  the  fubfcribing  P-arties,  mIio  rcfolv^c 
■  faithfully,  jta  execute  and  abide  by  the  fame,  fo  that  a  firm  and  lofting  Friendihip  may 
^mutually  fubfift  between  them;  and  while  fuch  an  Alliance  fubfifts,  what  Power  will  daic 
tto  diflurb  the  Poffei!ion«  of  either  Party-  The  Englifli  Company,  and  the  Nabob  Wolau 
Jau,  ^11  endeavotir»  on  all  Occa^ons,  to  fhew  their  Friendfhip  and  Attachment  to  the 
TIabab  AvAiph  Jau,  Nizam  ul  Mulck,  as  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  and-look  on  the  Support 
of  thoj!:  Government  as  the  Support  of  their  own-;  in  ihort,  there  will  be  no  Manner  of 
Difference  in  Intereft  i>etween  JChem. 

In  "N^lnefs  and  Confirmation  of  all  the  above  Articles,  and  every  Part  of  the  afore- 
.£ oing  Treaty,  we  whofe  Names  are  underwritten,  have  interchangeably  fubfcrlbed  to  and 
■fealed  Three  Inftruments  0/  the  Tenor  and  Date,  viz.  The  P^efident  and  CouoTit  of 
Fort  Saint  Geot;ge,  on  the  Behalf  of  the  Engliih  Eaft-India  Company  at  that  Place,  this 
26th  Day  of  February,  in  the  Year  of  the  Chriftian  iEra  1768 ;  the  Nabob  Aufuph  Jau, 
Soubah  of  the  Decan,  atliis  Camp  nearPiUere,  on  the  22d  Day  of  the  Moon  Shevaul,  in 
tHe  Year  of  Hcgyra  1 181 ;  and  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  forhJmfelf,  at  Fort  Saint  Geor^ 
tJte  7th  Dayo^-the  M^on  Chevau^,  ia.thr  j^Sift  Year  of  the  Hegyra. 

Charles  Bourchier^ 
&miuel  Ardley, 
John  Call, 
,    George  Strattof>, 
George  Dawfon, 
James  Bourchies^ 
Ocorge  Mackay. 

N.  B.  The  Na^ues  of  t"he  contrafting  Parfies  were  transfcired  in  the  Parts  kept  iy 
each  of  them,  ai)d  each  took  t^  Pxeeede  nee  by ^um. 

The  above  contra^irig  Parties,  to  wit,  the  Prefid^t  and  CouncH  of  Fort  Saint  Geor?^ 
on  Behalf  of  the  EngliiH  Eaft-India  Company,  the  great  N;|boh,  high  in  Station,  Auwph 
Jau,  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  and  the  JNabob  Wolau  Jau,  Soubah  of  Mahomed  Poor,  hav- 
ing duly  cQufidered,  and  voluntKrily  rnteted  into  the  above  Articles,  which  they  have  rcr- 
^Oively  Sij^ned  and  3wled,  in  pur  Prcfence,  we  whofc  Name*  a;:c  hereunto  fubfcribed, 

£ « * '  '         i» 


P  AH  LI  A  U'EV  T  A  R  Y 

A.  178}. 

Mo  fokmnty  promife  and  engage,  unacr  our.Handa  M  Seal,  that  wc  wiU  guarantee  to  ^ 
faid  Englirti  Corapany,and  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  the  due  and  juft  Obfctvance  ot  to; 
above  Treaty  on  the  Part  ot  the  Nabob  AuiUph  Jau. 
*   rtikc  God  to  Witaefs,  that  pf  my  ovyn  Free  Will  I  ^n»  Security. 

I  fv^rar  by  Vcncataih  and  Bail  Behaudcr,  that  of  my  own  Free  Will  and  Confentl  an} 

The  Seal  of 

Kuni  Chunder 


|-fwear  by  Sa^:tiha  and  Bail  Behauder,  that  1  i^m  truly  and  fincerely  Security* 

•  I    • 

I  f\»ear  by  Uncataili  and  Bail  Behauder,  that  of  my  own  Free  Will  and  Confcntif 
Pimdaveram,  Vackecl  to  Mahaudavarow,  Pundit  Predane>  am  Security  on  the  Partol 
^e  faid  Mahauj^varo^. 

K.  B.  The  foregoing  Guarantee  Agreement  was  iigned  and  executed  bytheCuaraatfo 
fubfcribing  the  fame,  and  annexed  to  the  Parts  of  the  Trieaty  delivered  to  the  Compapj' 
and  the  Nabob  and  to  tbe  Part  delivered  to  Nizam  Ally  Cawn^  the  following  Guanntcc 
or  Agreen>ent  was  fisted,  vis* 

'  The  above  contrafting  Parties,  to  wit,  the  great  Nabob,  high  in  Station,  Aufnph  Ja^ 
S^bubah  of  thcDccan,  the  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  of  Mahomed  Poor,  and  the  Picfidentaai 
Council  of  Fort  Saint"  George,  on  Beh^f  of  the  EngUni  Eaft-India  Company,  havifi| 
doty  confidered,  and  voluntarily  entered  into  the  above  Anicle$>  whi^h  the  Prefident  nd 


A.  1782,       .    '      DEBATES.'  iij 

Council,  on  Behalf  of  the,  faid  EngUfli  £aft-Indla  Company^  have  iigned  and  fealed  !n  my 
JPrefeace,  I  the  faid  Nabob  Wolau  Jau,  whofe  Name  is  hereunto  I'ubfcribed,  do  fojiemnlr 
promife  and  engage,  under-my  Hand  and  Seal,  that  I  will  guarantee  to  the  faid  Nabob 
Aufuph  Tau,  the  <iue  and  j^  Obfervanee  of  t%  above^  Treatj^  gn  th^  Part  ^  the  fa;i 
EngliACampany.  ,•  -  .... 

And  .we,  Ae  fold  Prefident  and  Council  of  Fort  Saint  George,  on  Behalf  of  the  i^ 
Englifli  Eaft-India  Company,  do  folemnly  promife  and  enga^,  under  our  Hands,  thatwc 
;wil!  guarantee*  to  the  faid  Nabob  Aufuph  jau,  the  due  and'juft  Obfcnrancc  of  tic  abwc 
Treaty,  op.  the  Part  of  the  f^id  Na^ob  Wolau  Jau. 

'  '    '       '  '  '  Charles  Bourchler, 

Samuel  Ari^ley^ 
John  Call,  ' 

Gcoi'ge  Stratton> 
George  Dawfon, 
James  Bouchl-er^  .    -    ..     - 

jpeorgc  Mackay* 

^  ' 

"i.i".  f  'A.  ■ 

A    P    P    E    N    D    I    X,      N'  n. 

pxtraB  of  the  General  Letter  frm  Fort  Saint  Oeffrge,  dated  the  %tb  of  March  1769* 

Par.  50*  T  EAST  your  Honours  fhould  not  cleaily  underftand  the  DiftinfHon  hetweeh 
jL^  Zemindaries  and  Government  Lands,  we  beg  Leave  to  inform  you,  that 
^he  Zemindaries  are  Lands  held  by  certain  Rajahs  or  Chiefs,  as  their  hereditary  £ftates» 
paying  a  certain  Tribute'  to  the  Government,  and  being  fubjedl  to  Suit  and  Service^  In 
Manner  very  fimilar  to  the  ancient  Feudal  Tenures.  The  Tributes  ought  to  be  certain 
and  invariable,  though  that  l^asnot  always  been  ftridtly  obferved;  andX^anges  in  Oo' 
vernnoent  have  a^fo  introduced  Changes  in  the  Tributes,  whi<th  indeed  is  of  no  '^reat 
Cbnfequence ;  for,  befides  thefe  fixed  Tributes  (fuppofing  they  were  fo)  the  Supreme 
Government  has  always  demanded  (and  Cuftom  has  given  Sanation  and  Title  to)  a 
further  Sum,  as  a  Nazar  or  Free  Gift  \  and  thefe  Two  Sums>  the  Tribute  and  Nazar^  are 
what  we  mean  w;hen  we  fpeak  of  fettling  the  Jumabundy  with  the  Zemindars.  Befidef 
thefe  Zemindaries  qt  hereditary  Eftates,  there  are  certain  Lands  (more  in  Chicacole  than' 
i^ny  other  of  die  Circars)  which  are  called  Havely  or  Government  Lands,  and  are  the' 
Property  of  the  State  or  t^rd  Paramount ;  fuch  are  your  Jaqueer,  &c«  Lands  in  the 
C^matic  5  and  thefe  are  the  Lands  which  we  propofe  to  let  out,  even  ftiould  we  by  Way  of 
STrial  endeavour  te  fettle  Aurfelvet  the  Juznabundy  wi^hthe  Zemindars  for  their  Lands* 

A  p  r  B  iJ- 


.     A    P    1^    E    N    D    I    X,      N»  12, 

Mxtra&  of  the  froceeiinp  of  the  Treftdent  and  Council  at  Fort  Stint  George^  in  thnr 

Revenue  Def^rtrntnt^  the  iint  January  1777. 

EktraA  Of  Letter  from  the  Pr^ /Ident  and  Council  at  Fort.Saiat  Geoi^  to  the  Chief 
4nd  Council  of  Mazv^ipataxn  \  dated  i  ith  January  a 777. 

WE  defize  you  will  (late  the  following  Queftlons  to  fome  of  the  principal  Zemindars 
dependent  on  your  Settlement,  and  obtain  their  Anfwers  in  Wiiting  for  our 

ift.  In  what  Manaer  ougjtit  Zenaindarles  to  dfifcend  by  the  Laws  and  Cuiloms  0/ 
the  Country  ?  » 

2d.  If  a  T^mindar  dies,  .Ir^ving  no,  Children,  but  Male  Coufins  of  different  De- 
grees, and  alio  Sifters,  in  what  Manner  ought  the  Zemindaiy  to  be  difpofed  ot7 

3d*  Suppofing  there  to  be  Children  of  Dau^ters  of  Sifters,  er  of  Aunts,  as  well  as 
Male  Coufiii%,  how  o^ght  the  Eftate  to  be  difpofed  of  .^      .  * 


£xtraff  if  ihe  Proceedings  of  'tie  Prefdent  and  Council  at  Fort  Saint  George  in  their 

Revenue  Dtpartmenty  the  231/  May  I777- 

Read  the  following  Letter  from  Mafulipatam,  with  the  feyeral  Papers  enclofed* 

To  lihelwnourable  George  Stratton,  Efquire,  Prefidentaod  Governor^  &c.  Council  of 

Fort  Saint  George. 

Honourable  Sir  and  Sirs, 

Conformable  to  your  Commands,  we  have  the  Honour  to  tranfmit  to  yon,  Tranflatu 

t)f  the  Opinions  of  Four  of  the  principal  Zemindars  in  thcfe  Circars,  on  the  Qucftions  ywj 

4ae€ttd  us  to  put  to  them,  refpe£ting  the  Rights  of  Succe/^<yn  in  Zemindary  Lands. 

As  we  conceived  it  would  be^cceptabletoyourHoftour,  Sec,  toreceivef  at  ^one  Point  of 

Viiew,  tko  fiilleft  Information  we  could  obtain  on  the^Subjedfc,  we  have  necefiarity  deleft 

red  the  fending  yon  any>.jintil  all  their  refpedive  Opinions  could  be  colle£kd. 

We  are,  with  great  Refpcft, 

Mafulipatam^  Honourable  Sir  and  Sirsy 

(0th  May  1777*  Your  moil  obedient  humble  Senuats, 

Charles  FI(^'er, 

CTiatlcs  Ocivocux. 

James  Hodges, 

Alex.  Pringlc. 
f  ■  •  -     ..  .  •* 

The  R«plies  of  Row  VeAcaterowy  Sirdar  of  Rajatitendry  Circar,  to  the  Qucri« 
refezxed  to  him,  concepamf  the  Laws  and  Cttftonxs  in  Matters  of  Saccefiion,  i 
k^  Caft  and  Country. 

xft.  That  a  Zemmdar.  who  has  federal  Sons  may  dunng  his  X^fe*time  nanie  Qne  oi 
ik^jti  to  fucceed  him  in  the  Management  of  his  Country  j  which  Son  (hall,  at  his  Fd- 
th^'s  Peath,  fucceed  accordingly  ^o.the  Management  j  but  then  his  Eroth6r3  fhall  have  a 
Right  to  ihare  in  the  Profit  arifuig  from  the  Country.— Should  the  Father  during  his 
ifif9'43xnit  notiiave  appoint^  anyione  oif  his  Soi^s  to  fucceed  hi^i,  4)r  il^quld  the  Son  fo 
appointed  |liey  t^e  MoU^er  ihall  have  a  Right  to  give  the  Power  to  whiqh^fiir  Son  ihe  ihal) 
pleafe;  but  the  other  Brothers  have  a  Right  to  Aarc,in  the  Profits. 

2d.  If  a  Zemindar  dies  without  Sons,  or  Brother's  Sons,  or  Uncle^s  Sons,  then, 
.after  the  Death  of  the  AVifei^  the  Zejn'uidary  is  to  go  to  the  diftant  Male  Coufins^  and 
aq^^t^thfi  Sifters. 

A.'i^$u  DEBATES:  irg 

3.  If  a  Zemindar  dies  wlthoutrSons,  and  he  has  Coufinss  of  the  Mate  Lme,  and  alf» 
Aunts,  and  S^ers,"  and  Daughters  Sons,  then  his  Wife  has  a*Right  to  appoint  which- 
ever of  the  Male  Couiins  (he  choo(JBs  to  fucceed  j  buthe  muft  take  C^are  of^  aod  fupporc 
the  Relations  of  thf  Female  Ijne.. 

The  Replies  of  Rajah  Quldindy  Tripettlrau^e,.  Zemindar  of  .Mogultorc,  to  thr 

Queries  referred  to  him,  concerning<  the  Laws  and  Cuftoms  inMittefs  df^U^ 

ceJAoa  of  his  Caft  and  Country^ 


After  the  l!>cjitli  of  a  Zdnindar,  iiis  S6n  is  to  Inherit  hls'Count^y*    If  he  lias  00  ^onsy. 

and  his  Brothers  liave  divided  into  Shares,  he  may  adopt  any  one  of  his  Nephews  iv: 

Coufins;  which  Nephewc  or  Couiin  fa  adopted,  fliall  have  a  Right  to  fucceed  to  ther 

Zcmindary.     If  he  has  not  adopted  ^ny'Son,  and  has  either  Brodber  orBfother^s  Sk»A» 

they  are  to  fucceed*     If  he  has  neither  Brothers*  norTJephews,  then  his  Father's  Bro^ 

thers,  or  their  Sons,  are  to  fucceed.     If  a  Zeniindar  dies  without  haviti^  any  of  the 

above-mentioned  Relations,  or  any  Coufins  df  the  Male  Line, and  if  lie  has  a  Daughter^ 

and  at  her  Wedding  he  publickly  declares, 'that  on  her  having,  a  Son  he  will  adoj^chimft^ 

and  fix  him  in  the  Right  of  his  Muras,  then,  according,  to  tbe-Gentoo  Laws,fuch  Da«i^- 

ter's  Son  being  adopted,  {hall  fucceed  to  the  Zemindary  j  but  in  cafe  there  fliould  be.nw 

Daughter's  Sons  fo  adopted,  then  any  diilant  Relation  of  the  Male  Line  may  fucceed  ^ 

but  even  if  there  are  no  fuch  Relations,  neither  his 'Daughters  Huiband*s  Family,  his* 

Siiler*s  Son,  his.  Father*s  Sifter's  Sou,  nor  any  of  the  Female  Line,  cannot  inherlt.-tbe 

Zcmindary.     This  is  -vrhstt  I  think* 

The  Replies  of  Rajah  Oppozx>W9  Zemindar  of  Koozeed,  to  the-Three  Queries  re<> 
»       ferred  tot  him,  concerning. the  Laws  and  CuAoms  in  Matters  of  Succeffion  of  hl» 
Coil  and  Country* 

ift*  If  a  Zemindar  leaves  (everal  Sons,  the  Eldeft  is-  to  have  a  Uurgp  Shane,  fepamtely 
Sk  himfelf,  the  reft  'ii  to.  remain  equally  with  the  other  Sons. 

2d.  If  a  Zemindar  dies  without  Sons,  and  has  Male  Couiiiis  and  Sifters,  then,  I 
think,  that  if  the  Wife  of  the  Zemindar  be  s^fo  dead  without  Sons,  that  the  Male 
Couiins  ihould  fucceed. 

3d.  If  a  Zemindar  dies  without  Sons,  then  his  Wiie  X2»y  choofe  any  of  his  Mate  Linr 
Coufinsi  and  af^inthim  to  the  Zcmindary;  but  if  the  Zemindar,  in  his  Life>tlme» 
appointed  any  Allowance  for  the  Maintenance  of  his  Dnighters^  or  Sifters,  or  Aunts» 
then  the  Pexjbn  who  fi^cceeds,  is  to  take  Care  and  give  them  fuch  Allowance. 

Th^  Replies  of  Raj^  Vochovoy  Jaggapetyrauxe,  Zemindar  of  Peddapore^  to  the 
Q^ries  referred  to  him,  concerning  the  Laws  and  Cuftoms  in  Matters  of  S\iz^ 
celiioa  of  his  Caft  and  Country.  " 

rft.  If  a  Zemindar  has  a  Son,  then  the  Son  is  to  be  the  Heir  of  the  Father. 

:mL  If  his  Zemindar  ha?  no  Sons,  or  has  Brother*s  Sons,  or  Uncle's  Sons,  which  ever  - 
of  them  he,  or  (after  his  Deceafe)  his. Wife,  ihaU  imt)ower,  that  Perfon  ihall  fucceed  t» 
the  Zcmindary. 

3d.  If  a  Zemindar  dies  without  appointing,  any  bod^  to  fucceed  him,  then  the  neareft 
Male  Cduiin  ihall  fucceed.)  but  not  the  GeoasatioAonusFather's^  Sifter,  his  own  Sifter^ 
4>r  his-  Danfthter*  \ 

il  P  P  E  K- 

tt&  PARLIAMENTARY  A;  ipSi. 

APPENDIX,      N°   13. 

tjttreS  of  General  LetUr  from,  the  Court  of  DireSioTM  to  the  Prejident  and  Council  at 

Fort  Saint  George,  dated  2yb  March  1768* 

Par*  X09*  T  T  AVING  taken  under  our  ConfKierftion,  the  State  of  the  Company's 
XX  Servants  upon  the  Fort  Saint  George  Eftablifhment,  and  being  fenfible 
Aattfiey  V^H  be  couliderably  nfikGttd  m  Point  of  Trade,  by  the  great  and  ncceflary  De^ 
ffitnds  for  extending  the  Company^s  Inveftments ;  coniidering  alfo  the  great  Increafe  of 
Bufinefs  in  which  our  principal  Servants  are  engaged,  and  which  requires  their  utmoll 
Care  and  Attention,  we  are  come  to  a  Refolution  to  allow  them  a  reafonable  Encouj 
ragement,  to  exert  themfelves  with  Zeal  and  Alacrity  in  their  feveral  Departments ;  but 
which,  howe\'er,  they  are  to  look  upon  as  a  Free  Gift  from  the  Hand  of  their  Employ- 
ers, offered  to  them  annually,  fo  long  as  their  Behaviour  ihall  continue  to  merit  ths 
fame,  and  the  Revenues  of  the  Country  fliall  admit  of  fuch  a  Gratification  ;  we  there- 
lore  hereby  order  and  direiA,  that  in  order  to  conftitute  a  fund  for  the  faid  Purpofe,  yoj 
da  fet  apart  a  Sum  not  exceeding  60,000  current  Pagodas  yearly,  out  of  the  Produce  of 
the  Company'^s  territorial  Revenues,  to  be  diftributed  among  the  Company^s  civil  and 
military  Servants ;  which  faid  Sum  is  to  be  divided  into  100  Parts  or  Shares,  and  prot 
portioned  out  in  the  following  Manneri  viz. 

For  the  Governor,  21  Shares. 

Ft>r  the  Second  in  Council,  Five  Shares  and  aa  Half^ 

For  the  reft  of  the  Council,  not  having  ChiefiQups,  Two  Shaxe»and  an  Half  each. 
Tor  it  is  our  Meaning  and  Direftions,  that  the  Chiefs  of  Mazulipatam,  Vizagapatam,  ani 
Ingeram,  arc  have  any  Proportion  of  the  faid  Shares. 

J 10.  You  arc  to  obferve,  that  the  Shares  allotted  to  the  Governor,  as  abovementioncd, 
arc  in  Addition  to  his  prefent  Salary  of  Three  thoufand  Pounds  a  Ytfar,  and  his  Perqui* 
lites  arifmg  from  Coinage,  and  Confulage  on  Coral  and  Diamonds.  The  Shares  for  the 
other  civil  Servants  arc  to  be  in  Addition  to  their  prefent  Appointments  of  Salary,  Diet 
Money,  and  tlie  Pofts  they  may  refpe^ively  hold,  excepting,'the  Chiefjfliips  as  before  ex- 

111.  Having  likewife  taken  into  Confideration  the  prefent  ftated  Allowance  to  the 
Company's  junior  Servants,  and  finding  them  to  be  inadequate  to  their  Support  and 
Maintenance,  we  do  hereby  order  and  diredt  that  the  following  Additions  be  made  thcrcttf, 
by  Way  of  Gratuity,  to  all  fuch  of  them  who  do  not  enjoy  any  Pofts  of  Profit,  viz. 

To  a  Faftor,  Five  Pounds  a  Year. 
•    To  a  Writer,  Ten  Pounds  a  Year.  . 

Thefe  !aft  Gratuities  are  to  be  paid  out  of  the  Company's  Caih,  .and  not  out  of  the  faJ«i 
■Fund  of  60,000  current  Pagodas  a  Year. 

1 12.  We  further  direct,  that  all  the  before-mentioned  Allowances,  as'well  out  of  the 
Fund,  as  of  the  Company's  Cafh,  do  commence  upon  your  Receipt  of  thefe  Advices. 

•  •  •  -  I 

*        ■         • 

«  4  • 

£xtra&  of  Jt far  ate  Central  Letter  from  the  Court  of  DtreSiors  to  the  Vrefidint  at^ 
Counclf^,  at  Fort  Sairt  George  j  dared  z^ib  March  1768. 

Par.  ^o.  Being  fatisfied  how  much  our  Trade  and  Poffeflions  may  be  afFe£led  by  the 
good  Services  of  the  Company's  military  OfHcers,  the  better  therefore  to  encourage  thou 
1  to  exert  their  Endeavours  in  the  Prelervation  of  thefe  great  Objects,  we  have  thought  pro- 
per to  allow  them  alfo  to  partake  of  the  Fund  mentioned  in  our  General  Letter  oi  thi.- 
Date,  of  6o,oco  Pagodas  a  Year,  by  Way  of  Gratuity,  over  and  above  their  eftabllAed 
Fay  and  Allowances,  and  on  the  lame  Conditions  as  our  civil  Servants  j  in  the  followii}; 
Proportions,  that  is  to  fay. 

The  Commander  in  Chief  is  to  have,  as  fuch  only,  he  not  being  to  have  any  Prop^f- 
tion  as  a  Coimfellor,  if  he  (hculd  at  any  '1  ime  hereafter  be  admitted  of  Couucil, 
Eleven  ijrhA.ct. 

Ai.  tfSti 

t>       E      B'     A      T      t     '6ir:     . 


Th«  Colonels,  each,  Four  SJialpes.  ; 

The  Lieutenant  (TolbneU,  each.  Two  SWes  and  a  Halfl 

The  Majors^  each,  One  Share  and  a  Quarter.     ^  .,  ^  '.  ^ 

8 1.  TheampreFroVlfiohhereafligiied  to  the  Commander  ixi  Chief,  ilTures  him  of  ail 
honourable  Competency  \  and  we  ezped  Colonel  Jofeph  Smi^,  kn<j  his  Succeflbr^  In  the- 
Command,  wiU  have  a  conftantand  xealons  Attention  Co  their  Duty,  by  keepiiig  up  a 
regular  pifcipiine  amongthe  Troops,  ahdijl  preveiltixig,  bygodd  Oecodpnly,  all  Fdiuds 
and  Abufes  in  t^  Ekpences  of  the  Arfl&y*  ..         <  V  ' 

82.  The  Appointments  to  the  reft  of  theFi<$ldO£oer|are  futihislpiit  our  Sbrvafl|s  00 
a  more  advantageous  Footing  than  in  iny  other  b&ilitary  Service  WbatfoeVer,  and  ^Wei 
them  k  Profpe^b  of  improving  thi^  Fortunes  by  a  gradtitfl,  but  oftrtfiin  Progtcffion. . 

83.  After  the  Diilribution  to  our  civil,  ^  dire&d  in  oAr  Yiid  Genehd  l<fttet«  and 
the  above  to  our  military  Servants,  there  Will  ri^i^aln  A  confidfertble  Sum  of  the  UJA 
i^u  nd  unappropriated  \  in  order,  therefore  to  encotirage  the  r^  of  the  Company^s  milicaryr 
Officers,  we  dire^,  that  they  alfo  be  granted;  b^r  W^  of  0oii4tioil  0r  Grathity;  OVtt^ 
and  above  their  ufual  Pay  and  Allowance*,  vii; 

A  Captain,  Three  Shillings  a  Day.  *     ' '- 

A  Lieutenant,  Two  Shillings  a  Diy, 

£nAgns  and  Lieutenant,  Fireworkers,  One  Shiliihg  a  Day  each; '    ^.  ' 

84.  Incafeitihallluppen,  that  theAmouilt  of  t&e  Unappropllated  SHftRs  ifkouli  nofc 
befufficient  toanfwer  the  faid  laft-mentioned  Gratuities,  we  dire^  tiiat  the  Daficiencjr 
be  made  good  oUt  of  the  Coinpany^s  Caih  \  on  the  contrairy,  if  there  Iftall  happen  tar  be  a 
Surplus,  the  fanie  is  to  be  carried  to  the  Conkpany*s  Credit^  under  the  Head  of  Uiiappro-t' 
^fiated  Fund-,  until  you  ihall  xti&<tt  Akither  Ord€»fiom  us  cohccmi^g  the  Difpofition  of 
itt  But  we  muft  here  obfenre  to  you,  and  aceordlftgly  dlreft,  dlat  neither  ft  Cotonili' 
Lieutenant  Colonel,  or  Major,  is  to  be  allowed  the  Three  Shillings  a  Day  as  Captain  of  a 

85.  We  further  dire^  that  all  tl^e  before-mentioned  Allowances,  as  well  out  of  the 
Fund  as  the  Company's  Cafh,  do  commence  upon  your  Receipt  of  tficfa  Advices^  in  likt 
Manner  at  oidered  with  ICefpcQ'  to  our  cxtii  Senrants* 



i    */ 

A    ?    P    E    N    D    1    X,     N'  i4» 

'ExtraB  of  tie  Co)ttpanj*i  Ventral  Letter  to  Fori  Si,  Ceorge^^t^d  %fanh  tyfi^ 

47.  T^  R  O  M  ihe  Variation  to  which  the  Sute  of  pdr  Rev^ues  is  at  ail  Tiltx^  fulije£^ 
I?  and  i\it  niore  to  animate  your  Cart,  and  Incite  your  Attention  to  the  Security 
and  Iniptoi^emint  of  them ;  We  have  thought  fit  Co  regulate  our  Bounty  to  the  Principal  of 
dyxt  Civil  &nd  MHitdi^  Slants  on  your  Eftabliihment,  in  Proportion  to  the  Advantaged 
th^  Company  (hall  receive  from  the  Revenues  of  your  Prefidencyi-  And  we  accoMingly  d^ 
liereby  order  and'  dired,  that  from  the  Receipt  of  thefe  DifpatcheS,  a  Commlffioik  of  Five 
per  Cent,  be  drawn  by  you,  on  the  Amount  of  the  Nett  Tdtiiorial  Revenn^  of  Fort  Saint 
George  and  Its  Subordinates,  as  a  Fund  to  be  appro{>riated  fbr  the  Benefit  df  oxir  CtvU  an4 
Military  Servants,  ihftead  of  the  fpecific  Sum  Pag.  66,ooo>  direAed  id  ottr  General  and 
Separate  Letters  of  th*  4  5th  March  1 768. 

48.  AM  tfs  we  have  thought  it  neteflkty,  for  the  greater  Steurity  df  the  Company^ 
t'ofleffiims,  and  the  better  Difdplini  (»r  their  Fortes,  to  atigment  the  NnmbeFof  Field 
OAcfecs  Ob  your  Elhlbli/Iiment ;  it  is  becomd  expedient  for  ns  to  niake  <  new  )tod  certain 
Pifpofitita  of  the^Sfaates  to  be  divided  amongft  our  priiicipid  Civil  idd  Military  Servants  | 
Ve  thet<efore  hereby  dire£l,  that  from  the  Aftoount  of  a  Commi^n  of  FiiFeper<>uit.  04 
Voiir  KeorTmrkitttial  Rtvenves,  as  beliu^mntjoaedi  «U  Twe}hy-i«n«th  rat  be  iSift 

21 S* 


A.  1^82. 

drawHi  and  paid  as  a  feparate  Share  to  Major  General  ^oote.  Commander  in  C^ef  of  al> 
the  Coinpany*s  Forces  in  India ;  and  that  after  fuch  Dedu^ion,  the  Refidue  of  the  laid 
CpmmiffioA  te  divided-  inito  xoo  Parts  or  Share;  j  wlilch  Parts  or  Shares  are  to  he  appro- 
priated in  the  following  Manner,  vu* 
ITo  the  Governor  z  i  Shares, 
Second  of  Cooncil  5I4. ' 

Retlf  of  die  Council  (not  having  a  ChieflRip^  a$  Tar  as  the  E/tabtifluneiit  of  xa  Mem- 
.  '  bej^  of  Co^jKij^  ^/each  zf .  .    '-:      , 

JTirft  Colonel,  1t^r;g,  pcncraljbfcph  Smith/' a^  ittCdond,  ii- 
Tiie  other  Colonels  B.  Shares,  to  be  divided  In  tqual  Proportions  amongd  thd^. 
"'   .  2  The  Lieut.  Cplon^  2^^-  Shares,  to  be  divided  in  equal  Proportions, 
i '  *  Jhc  Majors  6}  Shares,  to  be  equally  divided  aroongft.  them. 
49.  iy  cheHtft  of  tK»  Council  above-mentioned,  be/ides  the  Governor  and  Second,  we 
ukan  on]^  tKe  Members  oftheCoiKicil  next  in  RoUtion  to  them,  and  who  are  not  Chte^ 
tf  Alafonpataniy  Vizagapatnm,  or  Ingeram ;  for  \t  is  our  pofitive  Orders,  that  neither 
6f  thofe  Chiefs,  nor  any  of  the  junior  Members  of  the  Council,  exceeding  the  Eibihli/h- 
ment  of  Twelve,  do  receive  any  Advantage  froiiv  the  faod  Shares;  normuft  thofe  Propor- 
tions of  this  Fand^  \vhlc]»-we  have  allowed  to  Major  General  Coote  or  Brigadier  General 
Soxitb^  be  continue^  to  any  rOrfons  who  may  be* appointed  to  fucceed  thent,  wkhoat  our 
ejipi-^s  ieavc. 

iot  J^d  you  arc  td  take  Notice,  that'  the  Whole  of  the  unappropriated  Shares,  to- 
gether with  what  may  Be  acTded  thereto,  by  the  Deceafe  or  Refignation  of  Major  General 
Coote,  ax  Brigadier  ^CleDt^ral  Smith,  be  applied  as  diiie^ed  \n  %/^ih  Paragrapb  of  our 
S^airate  Letter  of  2 ^tk  March.i  768V 

»  •   1 

I*"!!*     ■h 

-A    P    F    E    N    f>-i-  -Xv     N°  15, 

Extras?  of  General  Letter  to  Fort  Saint  George,  ofjjtb  June  1777/ 

Par.  16.  .  A  ^  ^  Appears  by  the'Adviees  already  received,  tkat  BiBdi  of  tlie  prefeae 
t  Jl\.  Confufion  has  arifen  from  the  private  Engs^ements  of  ottr  Servants,  and 

their  Concerns,  Dealings,  and  Tranfa£Uons,  on  their  own  feparate  Account,  with,  the 
Prifices  a^d  Natives  of  the  Country  f  we  hereby  order,  that  no  Governor,  and  Prefideatof 
^ur  Council  at  Fort  Saint  George  at  Madras,  after  our  prefent  Governor  .and  Prefident 
George,  Lord  Pigot,  nor  any  of  the  Council  of.  our  faid  Preiidehcy,  except  as  here^ceris 
jnentioned^  iHaU^,  dire^lly  or  indir6£Uy,  by  theitielves,  or  by  any  other  Perfon  or  Per- 
((bns  for  his  or  thielr  l/fe,,oron  his  or  their  BehaUy  carry  on  or  be  concerned  in,  or  have 
^y  Dealings  or  Tjanfadlious  hy  Way  of  TraSck  or  Commerce,  in  Moiiey  or  in  Goods  of 

fiy  Kind  whatsoever,  for  his.  or  their  Ufe,  Benefit,  Profit,  or  Advantage,  or  ibr  the 
enefit  qv  Advantage  of  .aiiy  other  .Perfon  or  Pes£bQ»  w];iomfoewer,  the  Trade  and  Com* 
aiArce  of  th^.Coim>an^  only  .excepted. 
'.    Piur.  17.'  Xnd  it  is  our  further  Order,  tlia;t  any  Pef£oa  or  Betfoas  w!taflia& 

^ye  caiTied  os  any  Trade^  or  liave  been  concerned  in  the  buying  or  (filling  any  Goods* 
aresy  or  Merchandize,  or  other  Comftioditles  whatfoever,  by  Wayof  TraiBckorTrade, 
^  ihalihmrp  beeik  ^y  Way  concem&d.  in  Money  Ttania^ions  a&^aforci(aid»  ihall  be  ap- 

flnt^d  to  beldovei^uar  and  Prefidentl.  or  bo  he  of  the  Couiicil  o|^ the  .faid  Settlement^  or 
all^hie^aft^  i^vxet^  toaa;^  of  the  hiidOf1icWidpediVeI|^^  every>|j^ch  Perfon  .or  PerCbns 
aI|C^e,permitb^  to  ccdle^  m  lu»  or  their  ou^^^in^  pbbts,  and  to  ^  a^d  ^jpoie  of 
l^e  Gooos«tr W are%  Mercliaii^se,  EiFeds,  aW  Stock  in  Trade,  cf,w^cib^uc&-l^crfon  or 
^^Vi^^  ^^^i  j^  V^^'  ^^'¥^'c  t V^  ^^c?  (*><^  ProhibitioQj l£iia)^  mih  refoed 
^ivfS  or  tH«D|  'wAlfU/sti  b  aa  cadi  S\xfhi iPerlba or  Perfons whio  1^ *ar^  or  ^fdl^be 

A*  178:?.  P ,  E-  E    A    T    E    S^  219 

{q  reflraiqedy  il»all>  sind  each  and  eyerv  of  them  refpeftively  da».  deliver  to  the  Pxefident  an^ 
Council  of  Fort  Saint  George,  at  Madras,  for  the  Time  being,  within  Thirty  t)ay^ 
fVom  the  Time  when  Tuch  Redri^ons  and  Prohibition  (hall  take  'Place  as  aforefaid^  a 
fv\\  and  juft  Specification,  upon  Oath,  of  the  Vithts  due  tofvch  Perfon  or  Perfons;  s(nd  lb 
to  be  colle^ed,  and  of  the  Goods,  Wares,  Merchaadi^p,  EfFe^s,  tind  Stock  in' Trade  i^ 
\yhich  he  or  ^ey  fhall  be  at  that  Time  fo  refpedtlvely  poflfciled  j  andfo  as  fych  Pcffon  o)^ 
Perfons  Qialji  anddo  fell  ^d  diQ>o(e  of'fuch  Goods,  Ware$,  Merchandises,  Efieds,  and' 
Stock  in  Trach,  within  the  Spac^  of  NiSe  Months  af^er  fuch  Eeftridilon  and  Prohibitioi} 
as  aforefaid,  ihall  commence  and  take  Place;  an\l  fo-as  no ntw 'tradt,  or Ccfncems i^ 
Commerce  or  Merchandize,  or  in  Money  Tranfa^ons,  he  entered  ibp,  c^ntraded  for^ 
jor  carried  on  by  fuch  Perfon  or  Perfons. 

Par*  i8.  It  is  our  further  Order,  that  no  Compaoy*$  Servant,  or  9ny  Perfoft  under  the 
Company^s  Prote£tion,  he  permitted  to  lend  Money  to  any  of  tlie  Country  Powers  19 
lhdiJ[,'*THJrRraiiy  Perfon  or  Perfons  "hotdtng  CommiifioQ$  under,  or  cmptey«d~by  themj 
iire^y  or  indireflly,  to  be  repaid  at  a  future  T*ime,  on  Mortgages,  or«  Securities  in  the 
Nature  of  Mortgages,  upon  Lands,  or  &om  the  Produce  or  any  growing  Revenue  of  the 
Country;  and  in  cafe  any  of  the  Company's  Servants  are  now  concerned  tti  any  fucli 
Loans  a»  aforefaiid,  fuch  Servant  or  Servants  fhall  draw  i^p  ^  fpecific  and  particular  Ac- 
count current  of  tl^  whole  Tranfad^n  firom  the  Beginning|  fett'Diig  forth  how  f^h  Loai^ 
4)r  LoaMs  is  or  are  fccured,*  to  be  delivered  to  our  Prcfidtnt  and  Coyncif  withwr Thirty 
Days  after  the  Regulation  (hall  be  made  known,  and  before  fuch  Perfon  or  Perfons  ihal| 
proceed  to  recover  fu<^  Monkey  j  and  af^erward^  they  Khali  ^^  oiay  pro(ee4  (Q  if^^y^F-the 
iame,  as  they  Jhall  tkink  fit.  '    '  '        ', 

T9«  Aq4  for  more  efte^alty  preventing  fuch  LoaAf ,  we  hereby  dired,  tl^  yQU  ia«. 
^rm  all  tbJe  Country.  Pqwers  with  ^whom.  fiich  Trapfaftipns  may  be  likejiy  to  |ake'  Place, 
of  this  itej^ulation,  and  requeft  them  pot  to  have  or  permit  any  Dealings  of  the  .Nature^ 
above-mentioned,  wijh  any  of  the  Coropany*js  Servants,  or  withPerfops  i^id)^  the  Cpqol' 
pany*s  Prote^ion. 

20.  In  Confideration  of  the  expeftcd  Services  of  oyr  Govertior  and  Pre(id^nt,  s^d  qf 
our  Council  of  Fort  Siaint  OeorgQ,  and  of  the  Reftrid^oj^s.and  Projybitio.n^  to  wh^ch  they, 
arefuhje^d  by  the  preceding  Regulations,  we  direft,  that  every  Governor  andPreiident 
of  Fort  Saint  George  aforefaid,  after  Lord  Pigot,  bc  ^Uowed  atjdpaid  Ae  certain  anf 
eftabliihod  Salarv  of  40,000  Pagodas  by  ^Vear,  and  eac^  of  the  Council  for  (heTipie 
heingi  as  hereafter  is  mentioned^  16,000  Pagodas  by  t]ie  Yearj  fqchS^lary  i;o  any  Pez« 
(on  who  (hall  have  a  military  C6mit)and,  to  Ift,  in  full .'(q|f  .alt  Pay  and,  Allow«tnces  as  4 
B)jUcar]y  Commander,  except  fuch  Field  Allowances  as  tVe. Court  of  IDire^ors  Hiall  think 
it  tp  make  to  £um,  whilfl  employed  on  Service  in  the  Field. '  And  wedire^^^  ,t)>at  th^ 
above-mentioned  SalarifCs,  be  paid  to  each  Perfoii  out  oTthe  Revenues  arllij»  and  accj-uin^ 
from  oMrterritoriaJl  Poffe^ons  within  and,, under  the  Management  of  the,  fai^  Prefidency  j^ 
and  that  fuch  Salaries '{hall  commence  and  take  Placed  in  refpe£i:  to  th^  faid  Thpmaf^ 
Rumbold,  John  Wi^itehiil,  ^ad  HeAor  M^^niip,  and  to  all  fu<;h  other  Perfons  as  fhall  he 
refident  in  Great  Britain  at  the  Time  of  their  Appoiptment,,  upon  and  from  the  B^y  oil 
which  fuck  Perfons  fliall  embark  for  India  j  ar*^  in  refpeft  t6*au  tfiofe  who  are  or  fhall,  be 
rciident  in  tfldiaat  the  Time  of  their  Appointnient,  upon  and  ffpm  the  P^r  of  theii; 
takipg  upon  them  the  Execution  of  their  OfHces.  And  we  dired^  lihat  all  fuel)  Salaries 
to  fuch  Governor  and  Prefident,  and  Council,  fh^l  be  in  Uei^  of  all  Fees  of  Ofiice,  Per.i 
quifites.  Emoluments,  and  Advantages  whatfoever  -,  and  that  |>o  Fees  of  O^ce,  Pert 
^uifites,  Emoluments,  or  Advantages  whatfoever,  (hall  be  accepted,  received,  ort^ei^ 
by  fuch  Governor  and  PredderU,  arid  Council,  or  any  of  them,  in  any  Manh^r,  pr  01^ 
any  Account  or  Pretence  whatfoever,  other  than  fuch  Salaries  and  Allowances  as  ^re 
herein  before  directed  to  be  paid  to  theii^refpedively;  except  as  before  mentioned,  re- 
fpe£^ing  Field  Allowances  to  a  military  Commander,  and  likewife  except  that  the  Gover- 
nor and  Prefident  (hall  continue  to  have  the  Advantage  of  refiding  in  the  Fort  Houfe, 
together  with  the  Ufe  of  the  Company's  Plate  and  Furniture,  and  ihall  likewife  be  al- 
lowed to  take  fuch  Commifllon  on  Coral  as  hath  ufually  been  allowed  to  be  taken  by  the 
Govewior  of  the  faid  Prefidency. 

21.  To  prevent  any  Mifunderftanding  of  the  foregoing  Regulation,  for  Payment  of 
certain  Salaries  to  our  Governor  and  Council,in  lieu  of  Trade,  or  other  Advantages,  we 
think  it  proper  to  fay,  that  we  dojiotmean  the  Regulation  Ihall  fake  Place  in  refpe^  to 
.Lord  Pigot,  but  that  hit  Lord(hip»  during  his  Continuance  In  the  Government,  ihal) 

F  f  a  ciijo^ 

22<j  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  178a, 

•  * 

enjoy  the  Cune  Salary^  and  other  Advantages,  as  he  was  entide^  to  pi\der  l^s  former 
^ommiffion  j  nor  do  we  niean  it  to  cj^te^d  to  the  faid  Alexander  Davidfon,  John  HoIlond| 
and  James  Daniel,  but  as  they  are  only  named'  ^t  occanonal  Members,  as  before  rs  men- 
tioned, and  their  Coiidnuance  in  their  Office  as  M^b«rs  of  Council  vnU.  be  very  ihort, 
they  are  to  be  allowed  to  trade  In  the  fame  Manner  as  PeHToqs  of  the  Coajicil  might  havq 
4oae  before  the  faid  reftridtive  Regulation  ;  and  as  they  are  to  be  a]lowed  to  trade,  they 
•re  to  be  [^ald  fqch  Salary,  and  have  fuch  Allowance  only,  as  vKrt  paU  and  ffvc^  b>  Menn 
im  of  Council  befoire  the  faid  Rejplations  took  Plac^ 

iMiWii    i^ii        ■■■      »i    I  i|    fc 

y*k.      rfS«    («     tA*    •*..        A. I       ^ 

A    P    P    E    N    P    I    X,      N"  16, 

BktraB  of  General  Lelter  io  Fo^t  Saht  George,  dated  the  ziCi^  tfy^ifary  lySi* 

Par,  3. 

IN  Confideration  of  the  expend  Services  of  Loid  Macartney^  oiur  piefent 
Governor  of  Fort  Sunt  George,  and  of  his  LordHilp  being  totally  lefliided 
by  Ills  Covenants,  from  being  concerned, 'dire<^y  or  Indire^y,  iq  any  Dealings,  Tranf^ 
adiions,  or  Commerce,  in  Mbn€y,  or  in  Goods  •f  any  Kind  whatever,  for  his  ITfe,  Be- 

Sefit,  Profit,  or  Advantage^  or  for  theBenefit  or  Advant^  of  any  other  Perfon  orPerfoos 
^ whatever,  the  Trade  and  Commerce  of  the  Company  excepted,  we  have  agreed,  an<J 
hereby  4Ire£l,  that  Lord  Macartney  be  allowed  and  paid  the  certain  and  eibblifhed  Salary 
t^r  40,000  Pagodas  by  the  Year,  to*  conlnience  upon,  and  be  computed  from,  the  Day  of 
£is  Lordihip^s  Arrival  at  Fort  .Saint  Ge'ori^e. 

4.  We  hefc^y  revoke  the  Orders  given' in  t$i6  40th  Paragraph  of  the  Courts  Letter  of 
tlic  I  ith'  of  June  177^,  refpe^mg  t&e  Salary,  of  16,000  Pagbdas  |>er  Annum  to  each  of 
the  Members  6fC6uncil  at  Fot^Samt  George.*;'  '   '  " 

5.  It  h  our  Order,'  that  the  Salary  and  Allowances  to  be  paid  to  all  the  Members  etf 
Council  below  the  Governor,' be;  the  fame  as  were  paid  and  iUowed  to  the  Members  of 
owr  Council* at  Fort  Saint  Geofge,  before  the  Eftablifliment  of  the  tempoj:ary  Goivcro- 
ment  of  the  11th  of  June  1777  j^he  prefect  C*o<mnandfcr'in  Cl^ef  of  our  Forces  except'- 
ed,  in  whofe  Salary  we  for  the  prefent  makfe  no  Alteration. 

6«  It  is  our  Pleafuie,  that  Lord  Miteartney  be  altowM  to  take  fuch  Comniiffioa  on 
Coral  as  has  lifually  been  taken  by  the  Governor  of  Fort  Saiat  Crtiorge. 

7,  It  is  our  further  PleaAire,  'that  all  the  Mepibefs  bf  Council,  below  the  Prefident, 
be  allo»wed  to  trade  in  tjie  fame  Manhei*  as  Members  of  Council  mi^tlawfiiUy  have  done^ 
before  ^hc  l-eftrifKve  Regulation  in  the  Court's  before-ihentioned  iietter  ,took  Place.' 
They  muA  aifo  fill  fuch  Places  of  T ruft  and  Emolument  as  hath  been  ufual  at  the  Pre- 
fidency,  and  likewife  (ucceeded  or  be  appointed  to  Chiefships  of  fubordinate  Fadmies, 
ivhen  fuch  Chiefships  fhall  not  be  filled  by  fpectal  Appoiutmeots  made  by  the  Court  of 
pif colors.  ^     -  •  ' 

I  / 


>^  P  P  E  N- 

A.  1782.  OE    B    AT    E    S."   '    -    .  'iit 

A    P    PEN    D    I    X,  ^  N>  17. 

•  *  • 

^MxtraB  rf  Gtneral  Letter  from  Fwf  Saint  G^^rgf  t» .  the  Ceurt  of  DireBort^  dated  the 

,      .  fjtb  of  O£fober  IT]%,      .  ^   _       . 

Par.  $#  T  T  appears  from  the  Syftem  hitherto  purfued  in  the  Maiiagemeat  of  th^ 
JL  Circars,  that  the  Zemindars  have  been  unneceflaiily  thcainbered  with  heavy- 
Debts,  ^ccuiqulating  and  prelUng  upon  them  with  fach  encrea^og  Wej^t,  from  Year  to 
Ifeari  that  they  are  at  length  become  ahnoft  infupportable  |  aivd  few  of  the  Zemindars^ 
except  thofewhofe  paternal  Inheritance  was  too  considerable  t6  bewaftedy  are  inCircusn* 
fiances  of  Refponfibility  ta  anfwer  even  their  former  En^gemtfntt  to  the  Company. 
Various  Caufes  may  have  contributed  to  produce  that  Effe^ ;  but  One  alone,  which  we 
i)»U  mention,  is,  of  itfelf,  faificient  to  account  for  it.  I'he  Pradice  hi^erto  obferved 
ill  fettling  with  the  Zemindars  of  the  Mafulipatam  Diifaid,  to  whom  we  principally 
fillude,  has  baen,  to  receive  in  Advance  from  them,  at  the  Time  of  fettling,  Two  Thirds 
of  the  Annyal  .^ount  of  their  Jemmabundy,  and  to  follow  the  f«ine  Rule  in  the  Bc^' 
ginnmg  of  every  Year.  The  Zemindars>  unable  to  make  fuch  Advances  from  the 
Produce  of  their  Revenues,  which  could  not  be  realized  till  fome  'Months  after,  having 
been  obliged,  at  every  Time,  to  take  up  from  the  Soucars,  or  any  other  who  would  lencf 
^em,  confiderable'  Sums  of  Money,  at  the  exorbitant  Intereft  of  Two  and  Three  per 
Cent,  per  Month,  giving  Aliignments  on  the  Harveft,  by^ay  of  Security  for  Repay- 
ment. This  Mode,  fo  deftni3ive  to  their  own  Fortunes^  and  ultimately  to  the  Inter 
^efts  of  the  Company,  might  have  been  eafily  avoided,  only  by  fixing  upon  the  Pefiodat- 
for.  r^eiviiig  the  different  Kifls  of  the  Year,  fo  as  to  give  Time  to  the  Zemindar  to 
realize  ttie  Produce  of  his  Grain;  and  relieve  him  thereby  from  the  Neccflity  of  borrow- 
ing. However  fimple  this  Remedy  may  appear,  the  .Evil  has  been  fuffered  to  continued 
fo  long,  that  it  is  become  almofl  too  late  to  apply  it.  The  Zemindars,  with  Coun- 
tries for  the  moft  Part  ruined  or  impoveriihed,  have  exhaufled  all  their  Credit  with  the 
$oucars,  and  are  now  fallen  into  Arrears,  which  cannot,  together  with  the  growing 
Jenjmabundy,  |>e  difcharged,  but  by  a  long  Courfe  of  prudent  Mani^ement,  under  every 
indulgent  Confidercltion  that  can  be  fhewn  them  by  the  Company. 

Par.  7.  Ahodier  Caufe,  which  has  operated  in  no  fmall  Degree  to  the  Dlftrefs  of  the 
Zemindars,  arifes  from  the  fhort  Term  of  the  Settlements  with  them,  which  have  been 
farmed  for"  One,  Two,  and  never  more  than  Three  Years  at  a  Time.  'When  the  Leafes 
are  fo  confined,  it  can  never  be  expeded  that  die  Zeniindar  will  attend  to  the  Improve- 
ment of  his' Lands';  «n  the  contrary,  extending  his  Views  no  fur^er  than  the  Term  of 
his  Leafe,  all  his  Endeavours  will  be  employed  to  benefit  iiimfelf  to  the  utmofl,  without 
i'egircling  the  Cohfequences  which  may  fall  upon  the  Revenue  at  a  future  Time.  This 
Condud  is  natural  enough,  and  we  cannot  blame  it,  if  we  conftder  how  unfettkd  the 
ideas  of  thefe  People  muft  be  concerning  the  State  of  their  Property,  after  it  has  pafle4 
through  fuch  various  Changes,  and  the  Sovereignty  fo  often  transferred  from  the  Soubah' 
of  the  Decai^  to  the  French,  then  back  to  the  Soubah  again,  and  lafUy  to  the  £ngliih» 
^  in  the  CouriiB  of  9t  few  Yeartf« 

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A  P  P  E  K- 

^f^  P  AI^LI  ^  M  E  N  T  A  R  Y  A,  1782. 

APPENDIX      N*  18. 

ExtrtS  •fiht  General  tetter  from  Fort  Saint  Geerge  t$  the  Court  e/Dire&orSf  dated  the 

Par.  41*  rr^HE  Cowlet  for  the  Enaum  called  Jaghire  Lands,  aod  for  Ponamake, 
.  JL  ^f^^^  atfjthf  Xame  Tunc:  Ami  we.  bad  ^^leat  dopes,  that-  in  confe- 
fiq|ieace  of  owr  lepeatea  R^prefentatioDSy  weihouid  have  been  furnliheq  wlti^  your  clear 
&i£&0ns  fbt  the  f utuce  Diipofal  of  t^ofe  Lapds  ^  but»  nptwithiUnding  our  firft  AppUca- 
t^ta  on  this  fuljed  uoui  fo  Ipn^  ago  as  the  27th  of  June  1769,  1^  the  Thames,  we  hare 
^pfi^  tothU  Uonr^  the  xaoA  diftaotHlnt  of  your  Sentiments^  and  we  did  not  dare  to  be 
eM)4e(i,by  ourovni  Judgnient,  in  a  l?oint  (h  truly  ciiticaU  The  Inconveniences  of  con- 
uiai;  them  under  tbf  Nabob* .  the  O^rcifioi^  which  havp  been  exerciied  in  themt 
^f  been  dearljr  ^ted  to  you;  and  to  us  it  is  heyoild  a  Doubt>  that'  the  Advantages 
^,  Lt  might  be  reaped  frgm  fuch  Teixltorial  PoAeiiicnsy  will  never  be  obtained,  fo  long 
ai  the  Habob  has  aiiv  t^lng  to  do  with  them ;  b«t  thefe  Reafons  were  not  fufHdent  to 
jeprive  him  of  them,  when  through  the  Whole  of  your  Orders  lad  Year,  It  is  evident, 
tbat  vou  inclined  to  favour  hhii,  and  to  difcredlt  the  Eeptefenbtiohs  of  your  Servants, 
"fhetf  Circnmdances  coniidered,  we  would  not  venture  on  fuch  a  Step*. however  necef- 
^Yi  without  your  Orders  j  and  not  havin|^  them^  the  only.  Method  was  to  tenaponze. 
The  Nabob  applied  to  us  to  l^ye  the  Management  of  the  Ja^ire  in  future.  We  replied, 
||u;ough  our  Pn^dept,  that  we  willingly  acquiefced  to  their  Continuance  under  him  far 
%)ne  Ye«-  longer  j  bjf  w^ich  l!'imeyour  father  and  full  Sentiment^  reladve  bo  the  Ja§. 
lure  would  certainly  he  known* 

42.  As  this  Lettef  will  probably  reach  you  in  Time  for  us  to  be  fumilhed  with  your 
Qj^ers  in  Confequence,  Inr  the  Ships  of  next  Year,  ihould  your  Honours  not  have  finally 
4eternuned  on  this  S^bj^a  bd*ore  the  Receipt  of  it,  we  beg  you  will  be  p^eafed  to  confider 
l4  that  we  have  represented  on  the  Subje^  We  beDeve  it  may  ic  fummed  up  is 
ti^pfe  few  Word :  Th^t  the  Inhabitants  undergo  continual  Oppreffions :  Th:it  the 
£.a|>d<i  though  capable  of  great  Improvement,  .experience  none:  That  ti^e  great  Refer- 
ifoirs  by  which  the  Lands  are  iupplied  with  Water,  are  yearly  falling  into  Decay :  That 
almoft  all  the  Weavers  that  manufacture  the  Madras  Inveftment^  relide  within  the 
Sounds  of  the  Js^ihifey  and  more  might  be  induced  to  come,  had  they  proper  Encou- 
^gement,  which  ip  is  not  in  our  Ppwer  to  give :  That  we  have  as  little  loflaence  in 
thefe  Lands  as  in  thofe  the  immediate  Pmperty  of  theKabob;  and  that,  except  the  mere 
^enty  no  one  Bene^t  is  derived  from  them  :  We  know  not  what  they  are  capable  of 
woducingi  and  in  cafe  we  fhould.  have  Occafion  for  their  Produce^  we  havje  no  mofc 
Reafon  to  expert  it>  than  from  the  Nabob's  Country.  Such  are,  in  briet^  the  Inconve^ 
viences  j  afid  it  remains  with  you  to  determine,  whether  they  /hall  be  fubr^itted  toi  or 
^heth^r  an  Attempt  ihail  be  made  to  render  thefe  J^ands  more  beneficial. 

J^xtraS  of  General  hater  from  Fort  Saint  George  to  the  Court  ofDireffors ;  dated  i^tb 

O^ober  I775« 

Par.  4r.  It  is  not  in  oar  Power  at  prefent  to  enter  on  the  SubjeA  of  the  Inanm  Laadn 
as  the  Survey  and  Accounts  of  the  Lands  colleded  by  Mr.  Barnard  are  not  all  tranllated 
and  copied  fair;  but  from  the  Examinations  which  have  been  made,  we  cannot  help 
forming  an  Opinion,  that  they  are  in  a  moft  wretched  State }  and  we  fee  the  ahfoiute 
Neceffity  of  your  adopting  fome  other  Plan.  That  we  might  omit  no  Opportunity  of 
providing,  as  far  as  we  are  able,  for  their  Improvement,  and  for  the  Relief  of  the  People 
residing  in  them,  we  took  Occafion  to  p<Hnt  out  and  recommend  to  the  Kabob,  fuch 
Meafures  as  appeared  to  us  necefTary  for  thefe  Purpofes ;  and  though  we  can  hardly  flat- 
ter ourfelves,  that  what  we  have  faid  to  him,  will  produce  any  favourable  Change  in  the 
Management  of  the  Country,  it  is  fome  Satlsfa^on  to  us,  when  we  refleA,  that  nothing 
has  been  wanting  on  our  Part,  to  make  it  beneficial,  and  to  free  the  People  from  thofe 
Cppreillons  to  which  they  have  been  fo  long  expofed.  We  (hall  fend  Copies  oi  the 
$nrve^,  and  of  all  Mr«^arnard'£  Accounts,  as  foon  as  they  can  be  fairly  tranfcribed. 
*"*'*'  A  P  P  £  K- 

A.  ij9t.  b    ^    B    A    T    I;    Si  iSi 

A    P    P    E    N    D    I    X,;      N*  19. 

JExtraff  tf  tf  hitter  fi-om  Lieutenant  Geveral  Sir  Eyre  Cootef  f»  th  Committee  ^Ccrrf 
f^denc9\  dated  Fort  Saint  George^  3WJ&  Nvoembtr  lySo* 

BOTH  the  Aftxtf  and  Inhabitants  ax« maintained  chiefly  fey  Supplies  fhnn-Befl^l',  thi* 
upon  which,  I.  am  forry  to  obferve,  they  niuft  principally  depend  for  theit  ftttarc 
Support.  A  Cifcttmftancc,  ifliah  #liich  we  can  have  no  more  cbnyincing  Pitoof  of  the 
baid  ipolicy,  ih  rcnthig  the  Company's  Lands  uodet^  this  Prefidehcy,-  to  the  Na^h,  and  of 
thcreby  rendering ourfclves  fo  intirely  dependent  upon  him  for  every Jdnd  of  Supplies;' 
and  which;  by  kwping  them  iaour  own  Hands,  we  might  ourielves  command.  Itis  < 
Syftem  which,  from  the  prefent  Experience  of  its  bad  EfFe&s,  I  am  induced  tarecottmeni* 
to  your  ierious  C6iifiderstion  for  Remedy. 


T     '  - '- '         '  —  -  V-   .         ••     ..       .  /■       .:  ..   ■ '•        ..  -L.Z-J — : 

A    P    P    E    N    I>    I    X,      N»  20. 

JSxtraSf  ef  tbe  froceedtngt  of  the  PreJMettt  and  Sele&  Cemmitiet  at  Fort  Saint  Geor^^ 

the  i^th  June  g'jScif. 

"U  E  AD  Letter  from  the  Nabob. 

From  the  Na|)ob  to  the  Governor;  dated  15th  J.une>  j^ceived  rytb  Dit;to.-  _ 

Colonel  Capper  has  ay  Bond  fotthe  Sum  of  Twenty-live  thmiiand  Eight  hundfedancf 
Eighty  Star  Pagodas  and  a  Half  (25,880!);  this  is  not  due  for  Six  Months  to  come ;  yet, 
as  Cotontt  Cappci^kas  i^prefented  to  me  the  Pifiicu)eie»  ke  Is  put  W.  iy  the Dinaahdsbf 
his  CitBditDfiSy  it  i9ny  Defire  to  pay  the  above-mentioned  Sum  iflti>meCompany*sTrea4.' 
furjr  (pTBvidad  the  Country  is  in  Peace)  along  with  the  Kifts  for  current  Charges,  endint 
the  30(di.June  1781.  You^l^iUbe  jdod  enough  to  fatisfy  CokMel  Camper  t«gard3ng  th* 
Difchai^  of  this  Money. 

What  flaii  i  fay  more  ^ 

The  Prefident  is  re^uefted  (9  defire  the  Naboh  to  explain  the  H0baat  of  hU  Debt  to 
CoVooel  Capper.        *     • 

JExtraff  of  tbe  Proceedings  of  tbe  PrefdeHt  and  Seieff  Cemmitue  at  Fort  Sdint  Georgop 

z6tbjttne  1780. 

The  Prefident  delivers  in  the  following  Minute. 

The  Prefident  acquaints  the  Committee',  that  having,  at  their  Reeommendationi  ap* 
plied  to  the  Nabob  for  an  Explanation  of  the  Ground  of  his  Letter,  concerning  an  Account 
now  fubfifting  between  his  Hlghnefs  and  Colonel  James  Capper,  he  has,  in  Confec^uence^ 
been  requeftedby  the  Nabob  to  inform  the  Committee,  That  the  Balance  due  fromhinsi 
to  Colonel  Capper,  amounting,  as  per  his  Bond,  to  Pagodas  25,8SoJ,  cxclufive  of  Intereft 
upon  it^  c^nfi^ed  ^rincipftUy  of  PiibUrftmeats  which  the  Colonel  had  made  m  England^ 




upon  His  HSghaefs^s  Accounty  when  lie  laft  went  Home  withOifpatches  from  thitPre* 
^  fidency  t  That  the  Colonel ,  foon  after  his  Return  to  this  Country,  fettled  Accounts  with 
the  Nabob,  taking  the  faid  Bond  from  him  as  an  Acquittance  of  his  Demand :  That  the 
Bond  will  not  become  due  till  the  Month  of  December  next,  but  that  the  Colonel  having 
prefent  Occafion  for  this  Money,  to  enable  him  to  make  good  a  Sum  which  he  owes  Sir 
Robert  Barker  in  England,  and  which  Sir  Robert  had  ordefied  his  Attomieshere  tbdepofit 
in  the  Company^s  Tieafuryj  until  good  Opportunities  of  remitting  could  be  procured,  had 
Iblicitcd  the  Nabob  to  aflift  him  in  tlu»  Emergency,  fo  that  he  might  be  authorised  toteil 
Sir  Robert's  Attomies,  who  were  conftantly  importuning  him  fbr  Payment  of  his  Debt^ 
that  fo  much  had,  thicough  his  Means,'  been  fafely  lodged  In  the  Company^s  FandS) 
agreeably  to  Sir  Robertas  Directions  y  and  that  the  fame  would  be  forth-coming  whenever 
they  (his  Attomies)  ihould  ha^  Occafion  to  draw  for  it,  in  otder  to  remit  it  by  fuch 
Conveyances  as  Sir  Robert  had  pointed  out. 

That  the  Nabob  being  inclined  to  do  all  in  his  Power  towards  relieving  Cotonel  Capper 
from  hJs  prefent  EmbarraiTment,  had  promifed  the  Colonel  that  he  would  requ^of  this 
Governoaeot,  to  p^fs  the  Conipany's  Receipt  to  Colonel  Capper,  for  the  Amount  of  liis 
l^ighnefs's  Bond  to  him,  as  ib  much  paid  into  the  Company's  Cafh,  on  Account  of  General 
Sir  Robert  Barker;  he  (the  Nabob)  meaning  that  the  fame  ihould  be  included  in  the 
^iils  which  are  now  fettUng  Co  be  paid  by  his  Highnefs,  in  the.  Courfe  of  the  Year  ending 
30th  April  tySi* 

That  by  this  Tranfai^on  the  Nabob's,  benevolent  Intentions  towards  Colonel  Capper 
would  be  fulfiUed,  the  Company,  in  all  Probability,  fo  far  frotn  becoming  Lofers  by  tbeir 
Interference,  would  enjoy  the  full  Ufe  of  the  Money  in  Queftion  for  a  confiderable  Space 
c»f  Time  without  Intereft,  by  the  Nabob's  making  g^ood  fke  Payment  of  it,  before  Sir 
Robert's  Attomies  could  meet  with  fuitable  Occasions  of  Remittance. 

Upon  a  Review  of  the  above  recited  Particulars,  which  the  Preitdent  fubmits  to  the 
Confideration  of  the  Committee,  the  Prefident  is  of  Opinion,  that  the  Requeft  of  the 
Nabob  ihouli^  be  com{died  with,  as  there  does  not  appear  in  it  any  thing  unreafonable,  or 
an  any  Shape  inconfifientwith  the  Intereft  of  the  Company ;  and  as  our  Duty  enjoins  as 
to  treat,  with  the  moft  favourable  Attentkm,  every  Matter  thus  fitua£dd»  in  vAddx  hii 
Highnefs's  Wifhes.  are  immediately  concerned. 

As  the  Nabob  feems  very  anxious  that  the  Committee  ihould  fatisfy  Colonel- Capper, 

in  regard  to  the  Debt  due  to  him  ^  it  is  agreed,  to  oblige  the  Nabob  in  this.Inftance,  b^ 

grcnting  Colonel  Capper  a  Bond  for  the  Money  \  but  it  is  recommended  to  the  Prefident 

to  make  fuch  a  Settlement  with  the  Nabob,  that  the  Company  may  fuilain  no  Lofs  ot 

^  Rifque  by  this  Tranfa^on* 

MiCtraff  «f  LetUrfrom  the  Trefident  and  SeleSf  Csmm'tttee  of  Fort  Saini  George^  t9  tht 

Court  of  Uire€for»^  i/ated  gfb  Janudty  1780^ 

Par.. 97*  Shortly  upon  the  Departure  of  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold,  we  wtre  Toikited  \ff 
the  Nabob  to  affift  Mm  with  a  fmall  Loan  he  was  in  want  of,  for  difohatnii^  aDemawi 
«udq  upon  him  by  Colonel  James  Capper*  As  the  Nabob  appeared  very  ansioiis  tint 
iua  Debt  ihould  be  c)e«rrd  oft';  and  as  he  engaged  that,  the  Company  ftonld  seit^ 

fuitain  l.ois  noi;  Riikliy  the  Tranfa^on,  we  aoqnicfoed  ^thePro^ 
Committee,  26th    pofition  made  to  us  by  his  Highneis,  and  accordingly  granted  Cdooel 

June  1780.  Capper  a  Bond  for  the  Amount,  as  is  particulaiiy  fet  fioith  in  0^ 

*  Pn>c«eiiags  of  the  Day  teferred  to  in^^Mnii|«n«r, 


Ai-  ^4 

•  A■?■^^J^'• 

A:  1782. 



APPENDIX,     N°  21. 

Nov.-  177S; 
Fol.  615. 

Ext'raSi  ^  Governor  Rumbold*s  Minute% 

MR.  Petrie^  wh^  he  was  called  before  the  Board,  before  the    Fort  St.  Georgd 
Siege  of  Pondicherry,  promifed  to  deliver  in  a  State  of  the      Sel.  Conf.   2  i 
Tai^qre  Revenues  for  fome  Years  pad,  which  he  had  obtained  fl-onl 
good  Authority.     That  Statement  he  has  delivered  to  zne,    and  I 
now  lay  It  before  the  Committee ;  they  will  fee  from  it  how  the 
R^OQts  have  been  reduced. 

A  particular  Account  of  the  Tanjore  Country.  Fol.  62o« 

The  Yacofee  Rajah  was  the  Firft  Man  who  took  Pofleffion  of  the  Fort:  and  Country  of 
Tanjore  from  a  Gentoo  King.  This  E Vent  happened  oil  the  7  th  Day  of  February  1675  j 
dated  in  Gentoo,  Rauchina  NamajSum  Vackaratxi  Magah  Sudda  Septmee. 

It  appeaRj  from  the  Books  which  are  kept  in  the  Palace,  that  there  were  5>7S3VU* 
lages,  which  faid  Villages  were  divided  iiito  the  FiVe  following  Soubahs  or  Dlfh:i£b ; 

Soubah  Trivady, 
Soubah  Combltohum, 
Soubah  Marjaveram, 
Soubah  Mannergoody, 

Soubah  Pattacotah  and  Vallainput;  •  .      .        / 

'^e  Country  produced,  iri  thp  Year  1675,  under  Yaccogee  Rajah, 

Paddy  Collums,  - 

Yaccogec's  eldeft  Son,  Shajajee,  fucceeded  td  the  Goverhment,  aiid  the 
Country  yielded  annually,  during  a  Reign  of  Thirty-fix  Years, 
Paddy  Collurtis  -  -  -  . 

Sbajajee  was  fucceeded  by  his  Brother  Sharabaje^,  and  hdd  the  Govefii- 
nlent  18  Years.     The  Country  ftroduced  annually  i  - 

This  D^ficidncy  in  the  Revenues  was  attributed  to  the  Caceldflhefs  of 
his  Manager.  ' 

Tiiccajee  fucceeddd  His  Brbchbr'Shiirabs^ee,  and  rtigned  Six  Ydars;     Thd 
.  Produce  of  the  Country  was  annually,  -  -        •         - 

Tuccajee  w^s  fucceeded  by  his  Son  Baba  Sa)b,  who  lited  Olie  Year ;  the 

Lands  produced,  ^     .  - 

At  his  Deceafe,  his  Wife  Siicjanaboy  tookf  Charge  6f  the  Gotei^ifherit-Br 
Two  Years,  and  the  Produce  was,  per  Annum,  -  •  ^ 

At  her  Death,  the  Son  of  Sharabajee  (called  ColersQ  ah)  fucceeded  to  the 

Government  for  One  Year.     The  Produce  viras 
And  Colerajah^s  Succeflbr  was  Pretap  Sing,  youngeft  Son  o{  the  deceafed 
Tuccajee.     He  enjoyed  the  Govciriiment  24  and  aii  Half  Years.     Hiai 
ipour   Managers  were  Aunajee,   Shanjejee,   Ragupaty,    and  Yanjor^ 
MaiMij^  and  «  Dobeer.    Underthefe  Fdvr  Managers  the  Cdtfntry  pro- 
duced every  Year,  -  *  ^  ,  i 
I'retap  Sing's  eldeft  Son,  Tulajee  Mihlfajah,  fucceeded  to  tUe  Throne. 
He  employed  the  undermentioned  Managers,  viz*    Manajde  Huffain 
Cawn,  ,Sworor6w  -BalajSe    Sindiar    Dbb'eer,  tjilbilestpah    Btkhaniia^ 
HlrcsfSrh  Rangia.     Th6  Country  produced,  under  Uiefe  Managers^* 
every  Year,                  -              *  j                  *  ^  X 
Sometime  after  this  the  Nabob  took  Poflefnoh  hi  the  Country  alid  Fort  of 
Taajore.     He  ^ppoihted  the  Dobeer  to  be  the  fole  Manner  j '  fmddr 
whole  Mamigement  the  Country  plroduced,              -             <»         •     « 
As  foon  as  the  Rajah  W9S  reftdred  to  hid  Fort  and  Couatry,  he  atfpd^tei 
Buchanii  J^aula  Vinc^trdputty,  Tondanlanapia  Rxntjis.     Under  thefe 
Managers  the  Country  annually  yielded                ^               ^  z, 
The  Two  laft  Years  1  believe  it  hat  alien  as  lovir  ai                -                ^ 

,  N.  Bi  The  foregoing  AccoUn^  I  received  froni  an  ola  Maii,  who  Was  a  Writer  under 
the  Dobeer,  iiid  Mariager,  IttThfeTfehc'  of  Pretap  Sirt^,  Father  to  thepwftnt  Rajah  of* 
Tai^ore«    I  have  given  it  literally  from  the  Maratta  TrannatioD« 


Ytm-yu,  Og  / 





-     20,ood,oocr 







*An  Account  of  the  Tanjote  Revenue,  extracted  from  tlie  Circar^ooks* 

In  the  Three  laft  Years  of  tl^  Rajah*8  Father's  Reign,  vU. 

In  the  Tear  1^5^  •  -  •  32   Lacks  of  *  Chiickram*9 

1760  -  -  33   Do      -       Do 

1761  -  -  37  Do      -      Do 
Ia  the  Two  Fcrft  Years  of  the  prefent  Rajah*s  Adnainkftration» 

IM*  the  Year  1762  -  •  zS  Do      -  Do 

1763  -  -  33   Do      -  Do 

ki  the  Year  1771  being  tlifr  Year  of  the  YnUt  Siege  of 

Tanjore,  -  -  34I  Lacks  of  Chockram^s 

Doring  the  Nabob's  Govemmenti 

1773  ...  33I  Lacks  of  Chttcknuas 

1774  -  -  •  5»  D<^      •  Do 

1775  being  the  Year  of  the  Ra]ah*s  Reibra- 

tion,  the  Nabob  received  during  the 

Time  the  Country  was  pofleflcd  by 

him,            •            -            -  20  Lacks  of  Chockram$ 

Th^  Kajah  reoetveidy  in  the  Remainder  of  that  Year,  xo  po  -  Do 

Loft  by  a  Change  of  Goverm&ent,            -             -  10  Do  *  Do 

in  the  Year   1776               -               •               -  26  Do  -  Do 

1777               -               -                •  24  Po  -  Do 

.  "Wm  Petrie. 

ExeraB  6f  Mr,  PttrWt  BvUtnce  hefort  the  Commtttee,  tn  BxpJ^MOtun  of  the  iihevn 


The  ComiiHttee.  wiU  o^fove,  that  the  Account  of  the  Revenues  of  the  Tanjorc 
Country  is  eftimated  in  CoUivqiji  of  Faddy*  or  in  Chockrams.  .  The  CoUumis  a  Medjurs 
%llkh  Variee  in  different  Parts  of  Hindolkn*  In  Tanjore  I  bcUey|e  it  is  between  70  and 
%o  Englifli  Quarts,  and  thoNkd|i«n  Prict  of  a  ColUim  of  Paddy  (or  Rice  befoie  it  Is  beat 
<y^  i&  3t-Qoi(i  Fanams,  oc  7  Silver  Fanaims,  or  nearly  Que  ShilUng  and  Four  Pence 
Sterling  i  fo  that-  Ofte  Lack,  0r  100,000  CoUuma^  of  Paddy,  at  the  atiorementioned 
Price,  will  produce  Star  Pagodv  xs>555*  25  fs* 

In  the  Tanjore  Co\«ntpy  ^  %x.w  Pafgpda  isiralikod  at  45  Madras  or  Stives  Faaaou. 
Tl^  PoKjoNovo  Pagoda  is  from  10  to  1 5  per  Ce^t*  inferior  to  the  Star* 

A  Cluckram  w  t^at  to  aiQ  Mtfi^as  or  10  GfM  Fanams. 

Tw».Chuckcams  and  One  Fanam  are  equal  to  One  Porto  Novo  Pagoda* 

Forty-two  Madias  or  Silver  Fanams  ai»  equal  to  One  Porto  ^wro  Pagp^  ut  ^ 
Tunjofo  Accounts ;  but  in  the  Company's  Books  the  Porto  Novo  Pagoda  is  reckoned  at 
36  Fanamii,  ai»d  the  Sjta;  Vag$)dai  tft^i>  aUhough  ia  Fafik  it  vaneft  frott  41  t047»  aaA 

—■>*■*■*■  !■■ » — <^i»fw*wiw^i»i^<*%w*»wif— — ^i»w 

A    P    P    E    1^'  J>    I    X,     N«  22. 

-  -  ExtraSi  from  Mr.  Tetrtti  Ewdtnct  Imjcre  the  Ommttee* 

J  a 

'0£FOR£i:%nl9«ftfaopiefaitSeaiter«fthoTiMjoi«Coi»«iy,  icwtti  beneod&iy 
Julb.tai«tannfehe  Committee,  tliatnot  many  Y^aK  iiff>y  thaiT  Province  ti>«s  eonfideted 
as  one  of  the  tuA ftmnMn^  M^cuhbated,.  poputeus  DUbridft  hs  Hindoftaiu  I  iM 
iaw  this  Countri^  in  9f^  vdn»  it  exMbiti*  a  viry  dlflbMii«  Pidhuv  fMa  Yfa  ptdeot 

«L  TO.  Fanams  .  .  ^  «  OMkit OsoCkr^shnMia 

2    Chuckrams^qnd  3{,  Fattms^l 

or  f  tvdac  Ooe  $ttr  P^o^Aa 

23}' 'JRaujhrc Tawtos  -3  * 


A.  lytt.  DEBATES*  ^f 

SiMation.  Tanjore  ^as  formerly  a  Place  of  great  Foreign  and  Inland  Trade ;  it  im- 
ported Cotton  from  Bombay  and  Surat ;  Raw  and  Worked  Silks  from  Bengal;  Sugar* 
Spices,  Scc»  from  Sumatra,  Malacca,  and  the  Eaftern  IHands  ;  Gold,  Horks,  Elephants, 
and  Timber,  jfrom  Pegu,  and  various  Articles  of  Trade  from  Chiaa.  It  was  by  Means 
of  Tanjore  that  a  great  Part  of  Hyder  Ally's  Donunions^  ^nd  the  North-weftern  Parts 
of  the  Maratta  En^pire,  were  fupp^ied  with  many  Eurapean  Coaiu&odkie%  Mad  with  a 
Species  of  Silk  Manufadiure  from  Bengal,  whi&l}i  is  almoft  aniverfally  worn  a?  a  Part  of 
Drefs  by  the  Natives  of  Hindoftan.  The  Exports  of  Tanjore  were,  'Muflins,  Chintz, 
Handkerchiefs,  Ginghams^  various  Sorts  of  loi^  Cioths,  and  a  poaffe  paint^i  Cloth  j 
whlclv  lad  conflitutes  a  material  Article  in  the  Inveftments  of  tike  Dutch  a)ui  £)anes> 
being  in  great  Demand  for  the  African,  Weft  Indian,  tind  Sou^  Ameriisan  Mfrk?ts.-wi 
Few  Countries  have  more  natural  Advantages  than  Tanjore  j  it  poOeffes  a  rich  and/ef- 
tile  Soli,  iingularly  well  fupplied  with  Wager  from  the  Two  great  Riven,  Ca^ery  an4 
Coleroon,  which,  by  Means  of  Refervoirs^  Sluices^  and  Canals,  axe  made  ta^lj^gfrft 
their  Waters  through  almoft  every  Field  in  this  Country :  Ifo  this  latter  Caufe  we  may 
chiefly  attribute  the  uncommon  Fertility  of  Tanjore ;  the  Face  of  the  Country  is  beauti- 
firily  diverfilied,  and  in  its  Appearance  approaches  nearer  to  £ogkiQd  than  any  other  Ifaut 
of  India  that  I  have  feen.  Such  was  Tanjore  not  many  Years  ago ;  but  its  Decli&e  hat 
been  fo  rapid,  that  in  many  Diftrifb  it  would  now  be  dif&calt  to  trace  the  Remains  of 
its  former^Opulence. 

'  To  account  for  this  Revolution,  various  Caufes-muftbe  aligned.  That  the  Revenue* 
fell  fhort  of  former  CoUe^ons  fomje  Years  preceding  the  Capture  of  Taj^ort  for  the 
Nabob,  muft  be  charged  upon  the  rapacious  Ministers  who  at  t)iat  Time  ruled  tke 
Country,  and  plundered  their  Mafter  whdle  they  oppreHed  the  Inhabitants:  DlftriS^ 
^ere  mortgage  for  prefeat  Supplies ;  and  Jfaghircs  toa  large  Amount  fettled  upon  t^texfit- 
•  fclvcs,  many  of  Which  have  not  yet  revertsd  to  the  Circar.  But  as  thofe  Evils  were  npt 
of  long  Duratitin,  their  Effefts  were  only  partially  f«lt  j  for  at  this  Period,  as  I  hate 
l»een  informed,  the  Manufactures  flouriihed,  the  Country  was  populous^  and  well  cultl* 
vated,  the  Inhabitants  were  wealthy  and  induftrious.  Since  the  Year  177 1,  the /Bra  of 
the  firft  Siege,,  until  the  Reftoration  of  the  Rajah,  the  Country  having  been  during  that 
Period  Twice  the  Seat  of  War,  and  having  undergone  Two  Revolutions  in  t^e  GoverQ- 
mcnt,  Trade,  Manufadlures,  tind  Agriculture,  were  negleffced,  and  many  Thouiands  of 
•  Inhabitants  went  in  Queft  of  a  more  fecare  Abode.  It  is  however  neceflary  in  this  Pla^t 
to  oWerve,  that  during  the  Year  1774,  while  Tanjore  was  governed  by  the  Nabob,  ;^l 
the  Accounts  which  I  have  feen,  make  the  Revenue  to  amount  to  One-third  more  than 
the  Ypar  preceding  the  Conquell,  and  to  more  thaii  Double  the  Sum  whith  appeared  in 
the  Circar  Books  for  the  Year  I  reiHed  at  Tanjore.  Strang  as  this  CircwnOaacemay 
appear  at  ^ft  View,  I  think  it  may  be  explained  by  the  Aihufual  high  Price  of  Grain  bk 
the  Year  1774)  when  the  Scarcity  was.  fo  great  as  almoft  to  amount  to  a  Faming  by  die 
Tuncan  Duties  being  raifed)  and  by  mao^  of  the  6ld  J^hires  and  Grants  from  dhe  Chxart 
being  refumed  by  the  Nabob. 

Since  the  Reftoration  of  libe  RStjah  in  1776,  many  Causes  have  ||MtiiVa|»S  to  kflen 
the  Revenue  and  impoverifh  the  Country.  I  will  firft  raeatioa  the  ignortftOc  and  Rapa« 
t:4ty  of  his  principal  Managers,  as  |  kwk  upon  this  as  the  freacand  primary  £vU  fcom 
whence  nv>ftof  the  other  originate.  3econd|y,  tp  the  FaUuK  of  many  of  the  prinicipal 
Farmers,  and  to  the  unufual  Cheapnel's  of  Grain.  And  thiidly,  to  a  geneml  Qpinlon» 
which  for  4  long  Time  ran  through  the  Country,  that  the  Rajah's  Government  would 
not  be  of  loflig  Duration,  and  that  another  Revolution  wa^  approaching.  HeOfCe  eve^ 
Species  of  Embezzlement  and  Peculation;  his  Minlfte^  extorting  Moaiey  from  t^e 
Zemindars;  they  opprediqg  the  People,  who  are  oAea  obliged  «todi(pofe  of  their  C«ttle» 
%tfd  the  very  Implements  of  Hulbandry^  to  fatisfy  the  CaUa  of  their  unrelentiqig  Irfrnd- 
lords.  The  thoufand  Evils  refulting  inm  fuch  a  regular  SyfteMU  <^  Oppieffioa>  are  too 
obvious  to  render  It  i^cetTary  to  enJacge  uponthe  5«bjed« 

Ever  fince  his  ReAoration,  the  R^h  has  been  oppreiTed  widi  aheavy  Load  of  Debt* 
Hia  £)(pendit9re  has  been  enormous.  Many  of  th«  Farmecs  who  owed  him  laige  Ba- 
lances, have  abfcolided.  fie  Kad  no  Money  but  what  was  levied  from  his  People,  or 
raif^  by  deftru^iive  LoanS'^t  an  exorbitant  ruinoii^iAtereft. 

Tbe  great  Scarcity  xf  Specie  in  the  Tanjove  Country  is  an  Evil  which  has  been  long 
felt,  .and  when  I  left  India,  it  had  got  to  an  alarming  Height*  Pagodas  and  Fanafl^ 
were  formerly  coined  to  a  large  Amount  at  Tanjore.  But  a  former  Rajah  having  fold  the 
l^i^ibt  pf  Covu|ge  to  tke  Dotch  at  N^patam,  tbe  Country  di^nds  chiefly  upon  that 
^urpe  now  fpr  its  S^PvIlea  9^  Specie. 

O  g  *  APPENDIX, 

I^S  f  A  R  L  I  A  M  E  N  T  A  R  y  A.  178a, 


APPENDIX,      N°  23, 

2d  February,  1782* 

DWARD  CdTSFORD,  Efquirc,  attending,  was  examined  as  followeth;  tiz* 

-  •  ift. 

'  Q^  How  long  has  he  been  in  India,  and  in  what  Stations  ?      , 


-  ■  Q.  When  did  he  go  laft  there,  and  when  return  ? 


Q.  In  what  Station  was  he  ?         . 

'Ay  I'was  appointed  a  Writer  on  the  Madras  EftaWiihmcnt,  in  November  1757 :  I  was 
firft  put  under  the  Military  Storekeeper,  as  his  Ailiilant ;  Tome  Months  before  the  Siege 
^jf  Madras,  I  was  appointed  to  a£t  as  Pradlitioner  Engineer,  with  the  Rank  of  Enfign  in 
that  Corps  \  I  continued  in  it  (but  chiefly  in  the  Field)  until  the  Redu^on  of  Madura* 

'about  the  latter  Eiid  of  1764:  I  then  went  to  England,  where  I  arrived  about  the  £d^ 
of  March,  1765 :  About  a  Year  after  I  returned  aga'n  to  India,  and  upon  quitting  my 

.  Military  Employment,  was  appointed  Chief  or  Reiident  at  Oanjam,  in  April  176^:  I 
quitted  Ganjam  (as  I  think)  the  letter  End  of  the  Year  1772  j  and  upon  my  Arrival  at 
Madras,  was  fworn  in  as  a  Member  of  the  Council  (my  Due  by  Rotatipn)  and  foon  after 
Icfl  India:  In  January  1778  I  was  appointed  Chief  ^t  M^fulipatam,  by  the  Court  of 
Ditcftors  :  The  following  Auguft  I  arrived  at  Madras,  and  took  Charge  of  Mafulipatam 

*!n  the' December  of  the  fame  Year  :.  I  quitted  that  Chiefihip  at  the  End  of  1780,  and 
left  Madras  for  England  in  January  following,  where  I  arriyed  the  End  of  the  Year  1 781. 

Q^  He  5«^I1  pleafc  to  give  the  Committee  fuch  Information  refpc6ling  the  Company's 
Prtfleffions  under  the  Prefidency  of  Fort  Saint  George,  as  may  enable  them  to  judge  of 
their  prefent  State. 

•A»  The  State  of  the  Affairs  of  the  Company,  under  the  Prefidency  of  Fort  Saiqt 
George  is,  I  think,  alarming. 

All  tfiat  Part  of  the  Carnatic  contained  between  Nelloor  to  the  Northwatd|  and 
Trichinopoly  Inland,  and  Cud^lore  on  the  Sea  Coaft  to  the  Southward,  is  poflcfled  by 
the  Enemy,  and  (as  I  believe)  almoft  all  the  Forts  and  Strong  Holds  therein,  except 
THchindpoly,  Vellore,  and  Wandewafh,  confcquently  no  immediate  Supplies  of  any 
Kind  .can  be  drawn  from  thofe  Countries. 

■  In1*cDiftrifts  under  Nelloor  to  the  Northward,  the  Authority  of  the  NabobS  dy- 
vcrnmehtt  !s  much  Shaken  *,  and  the  Conduft  of  his  Servants  in  the  Revenue  Brandy 
there,"  has  "been  corttradiftory  to  his  Orders,  therefore  their  Fidelity  to  him  may  be  fuf- 
pe£ted.*  This  Information  I  received  in  private  Letters  from  Captain  Welsford  of  the 
Company's  Troops,  who  was  in  the  Command  of  Nelloor  when  I  left  Mafulipatam,  but 
is  (as  I  underftand)  fince  dead. 

TheVencatyghery  and  Calaftry  Rajahs,  whofe  Zemindaries  are  inland  of  Nelloor 
may,  and  probably  will  be,  dilatory  in  paying  any  Tribute;  for  which  Conduft,  confi- 
dering  their  near  Situation  to  Cuddapah,  In  Hyder's  PofTejTion,  they  may  urge  fcvcrel 
oftenfiWe  Reafons.  ^       ' 

The  Ongolc  and  Palnaud  Countries,  fi^uated  ftill  to  the  Northward  of  Nelloor,  were, 
when  I  left  India,  unmojefted,  but  the  Revenue  arifing  froni  them,  is  inconfidecable. 
It  is  my  Opinion,  the  Refources  to  be  drawn  from  all  the  Countries  above-mentioned  are 
Uncertain,  and,  at  all  Events  cannot  be.  cbnfiderablc. 

k'lhe  Four  Cirxars.  at  prefent  in  the  PofleUion  of  the  Company  (if  the  Invcft- 
England  xnuil  for  the  prcfcnt  be  difconti^iued  tx)  fupply  the  Exigencies  of  the 


^^1782.  D    E    B    A    i"    E    $•  '  22^ 

Oovernment  abroad)  after  diJbtirfing  the  Civil  and  Military  Charges  dependeiit  Iip24 
|:heni,  the'following  Supplies  for  the  Carnatic  toiight  be  drawn  anAuaUy  :'  . 

Star  Pagodas* 

From  Mafulipatatn  and  its  Dependencies  -  -  «  3,00,000 

Vizagapatam  and  its  Dependencies  ^  «  -  1,00,000 

Ganj^m  and  its  Dependencies  »  »  «  >  70,000 


Total        4>  70,000 

There  is  an  Annual  Payipent  of  Peflicufli  to  Nizam  Ally,  the  Soubah  of  the  Decai^ 
for  the  Circars,  which  is  not  provide ^l  for  in  the  above. 

The  Countries  dependent  upon  Trichinopoly,  Madura,  and  Palamcotah,  are  liable 
to  Incurfions  of  th?  Enemy's  Cavalry  (which  although  fuch  a  Force  may  not  attemgt 
for  the  prefent  a  permanent  Poffeffion)  may,  and  probably  wUl,  prevent  any  Kevenuf^ 
from  being  coUe^ad,  particularly  in  the  Two  latter  of  thefe  Countries,  where  the  lead- 
ing People,  1  underftand,  are  not  entirely  attached  to  the  Nabob's  Government. 

The  prefent  State  of  Tanjore,  and  the  Degree  of  Good- Will  of  the  Rajah  towards 
the  India  Company,  I  really  do  not  know,  therefore  I  cannot  fay  whai  Aififtance  he 
jnay  be  able  or  willing  to  give  in  the  prefent  Conjunfture. 

The  Diftrid  of  Nagore'  (a  Part  of  the  Tanjore  Country  poiTefled  by  the  Company) 
1ms  been  over-run  at^d  defboyed  by  a  Detachment  of  Hyders  Troops,  fome  Time  in 
February  178?. 

The  totad  Inability  (as  it  fhoUld  feem)  of  the  Nabob  Mahonmied  Ally  Cawn,  to  bear 
any  Part  of  the  great  Charges  which  the  War  in  the  Carnatic  will  inevitably  incur, 
muft  be  mentioned.  Without  powerful  AflifVaoce  from  him  in  the  Article  of  Money, 
-the  Governor  and  Council  may  be  driven  to  great  Extremity,  before  Hyder  (even  if  not 
aflifted  by  an  Ally)  can  be  compelled  to  retire  from  the  Carnatic. 


Q^  Whether  does  he,  from  his  Knowledge  of  the  Circars  at  different  Periods,  con- 
fider  tliem  to  be  now  in  a  State  of  Advancement  or  Decline  in  Wealth  and  Population  ? 

y\.  1  conii^cr  the  Zemindarles  to  be  at  prefent  in  a  State  of  De<;lihe.  I  am  led  ts': 
this  Opinion  from  comparing  the  Management  of  th3  Bufinefs  at  Mafulipatam  und^r 
former  Chieft,  at  the  Times  I  have  palled  through  that  Place,  as  alib  from  the  Records 
which  I  have  read,  together  with  my  own,  in  the  Years  1779  and  1780.  I  do  not 
find,  that  in  Times  previous  to  my  Adminiftr^tion  of  Affair^  there,  any  Difficulties  of 
Moment  occurred }  whereas,  during  my  Time,  the  Impediments  to  the  Colle£fcion  of 
the  Revenue  were  great  and  continual,  as  will  appear  from  a  Perufal  of  th^  Correfpon- 
.dence  between  the  Madras  Prefidency  and  Mafulipatam,  at  the  Time. 

I  underftand,  from  converting  with  Perfons  long  rqfident  there,  that  the  Vicinity  of 
Mafulipatam  is  not  fo*populous  as  it  has  been  ;  but  I  fee  no  Caufe  to  imagine,  that  the 
Circars  in  general  are  lefs  fo  than  they  have  been  for  fome  Years  paft,  particularly  as 
the  Countries  have  feldom,  even  in  a  partial  Degree,  experienced  the  Rigours  of  War^ 
fince  they  have  been  in  the  PofleiHon  of  the  Company. 


Q^  What  are  the  Caufes  of  th^t  State  of  the  Zemindars  ? 

A  From  the  beft  Information  I  have  received  during  my  Reljdence  in  the  Circars 
(at  Ganjam  and  Mafulipatam)  the  Tribute  received  from  the  Zemindars,  in  tlie  Go- 
vernment of  the  Mahomedans,  /ince  the  Time  of  Nadir  Shaw's  Invafion  of  the  Em- 
pire, was  very  uncertain  and  irregular ;  frequtntly  large  Siims  were  exa6^ed,  but  rarely 
^aid,  owing  to  the  very  uncertain  Pofleflion  which  thofe  exercifing  the  Government  had 
iii  thofe  fluftuating  Times :  Pretenders  alfo  to  Authority  have  frequently  entered  the 
Countries,  and  demanded  Money.  In  thefe  Times  the  Zemindars  found  it  neceflary 
to  fnaintaln  Troops,  both  for  immediate  Protection,  and  to  enable  them  to  make  Vfe 
of  fuch  Advantages  as  the  frequent  Changds  of  Govemfnent  prefented  to  them  j  and, 
iiipoii  tljc  whole,  they  generally  evaded  paying  any  Thing  confiderable.  When  the 
French,  under  Monf.  Buflfy,  took  Pofleffion  of  thefe  Circars,  the  different  Zemindars 
entertained  large  Bodies  of  Men.  Thinj;s  were  in  much  the  fame  State  when  Colonel 
Forde  took  Mafulipatam.  Sinct  that  Period,  the  Company  haVe  had  'permanent  Pof- 
ftSion^f  the  Cjjcar«^  v^odM^e  Jurifdi<iloQ  of  Mafulipatam^  and  haive  enforced  regular 


2|o  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782; 

Tsyxotnt  of  their  Tributes  But  the  Zemindars  took  fome  Yean  be^pce  they  diXbonded 
their  Troops)  and  even  now,  in  -many  of  their  Zesiind:yriesy  great  Portions  of  Land 
are  feqvefbrated,  and  held  by  the  PoireHbrs.  ai  Jaghires»  Whether  it  proceeds  from  a 
iPrincipIc  of  Pride  in  the  Zemindars,  that  thefe  X^ands  are  not  refiMned,  or  whether 
their  principal  Servants  prevent  it  from  other  Motives^  I  cannot  fay«  TMs  Drawback, 
liowever,  without  any  Advantage  attending  it  to  them,  as  formerly,  is  in  Jiny  Opimon 
one  Reafon  of  their  Decline.  The  Zemindars  pay  '<'*ry  higS  Intereil  to  Soucars,  or 
Bankers,  who  advance  them  Money  to  make  good  their  Tribute,  before  the  Coile^ons 
•Ml  the  Country  can  be  made  :  This  is  a  heavy  Charge  upon  the  Zemindars.  European  In- 
dividuals have  alfo  been  accuftomed  to  lend  Money  at  high  Intereft  to  the  Zemindars, 
hehrt  the  Publication  of  the  regulating  Aft  ;  but  I  know  of  no  fuch  Interference  by 
Europeans  fince  that  Time.     Tnis  I  coniider  as  another  Caixfe  of  their  DecUnc. 

f  «lo  not  recoileft  tiiat  the  Company's  Tribute  has  ever  been  remitted  in  Confidera- 
<ion  of  unfavourabic  Scafons,  though  Delays  in  Payments  in  fome  Inftances  have.  As 
ttfc  Tribute  paid  to  the  "Company  exceeds  what  had  been  generally  paid  to  Nizam  Ally, 
"tiie  Soubah  of  the  Decan,  this  iHto  may  have  had  fome  Influence  to  their  Detriment. 


Qf^  In  what  CivcufflftMices  are  the  Zemindars  in  general  f  Are  they  in  a  prafperiiig 
Or  declining  State  ? 
*  A.  The  principal  Zemandaas  ander  MafuHpatam  are  ntbch  in  Debt  to  Soucars  and 
'Other  Individukls  :  i  believe,  not  iels  than  Six  Laches  of  Pagodas,  orsr  and  above  dMir 
Arrears  due  to  the  Company. 

In  the  Coiitmcotaii  and  Chicacok  Provinces  of  the  Chicacole  Circar,  which  are 

undef  the  Juriidi^ion  of  Vizagapatam,  moft  of  the  Zemindaries  are  at  prefent  held  by 

Vizeram  Kauze.     He  cannot,  I  think,  be  much  in  Arrear  to  the  Company,  or  in  any 

■Kefpeft  diilreOed,  as  the  Tribute  he  pays  is  comparatively  very  fmall  to  the  Countries 

in  ms  PoilBTion.     AVhat  his  Concerns  with  Soucais  oroth^r  Individuals  are,  I  know  nat« 

In  the  Itcbapore  Diflrift  of  the  Chicacole  Circar,  under  the  Jurifdiftion  of  Ganjam, 
the  Zemindars  have  ever,  I  believe,  been  poor  and  inconiiderafole ;  but  I  know  no 
immediate  Caufe  why  that  Country  ihould  not  fiouriili,  (ince  the  Terms  upon  which 
the  prefent  Renter  holds  it  are  reafonable  :  The  Maratta  War  may  indeed  have  an 
Influence  to  its  l>triment.  The  latter  Part  of  this  Query  is  alre'ady  anfwered  abovQ 
in  the  6th  Article. 

8th.  ' 

Q^  What  are  the  Caufcs  of  their  Advance  or  Deline  ? 

A.  This  Query  is  already  anfwered  in  the  6th  Article. 

Q^  Does  he  condder  the  Meafure  of  calling  down  the  Zemindars  to  Madras,  at 
-having  contributed  to  the  Deficiency  of  the  Payment. 

A.  Certainly  the  caiiing  down  the  Zemindar^  to  Madras  muft  haipe  occafioned  them 
fome  additional  Expence,  and  fbme  Confuiion  in  the  internal  Management  of  their 
'Countries  muft  have  arifen  irom  their  long  Abfence ;  for  thefe  Reafons  I  think  it  has 
contributed  to  the  Deficiency  of  the  Payment  in  fome  Degsee;  hut  wbetbet  in' the 
Degree  equal  to  what  the  Zemindars  themfelves  alledge,  I  will  not  take  upon  me  to 
fay ;  but  probably  not.  Confidering  the  State  of  the  Zemindars  in  general^  and  the  State 
of  India  at  the  Time,  I  think  the  inMin^  upon  an  Ii^creafe  of  thciy  Tribiv^e  or  Jem-* 
■  mabundy  was  injudicious^ 


Q^  To  what  is  the  "Keceffity  owing  of  the  Dependence  of  the  2^emindars  upon  the 
~5oucars. ' 

A.  It  has  been  the  conftant  Ufage  of  the  Country,  for  the  Zemindars  to  make  their 
Payments,  through  the  Medium  of  the  Soucan  :  Sometimes,  and  moft  frequently,  they 
are  conftrained  to  borrow  of  them  through  Keceffity  }  fometimes  their  Interference  it 
intended  to  conceal  the  real  Sts^te  of  the  Zcmiodar^s  AlTairs,  and  excite  an  Idea  that  he 
)s  poor.  The  Tranfadtioos  between  them  are  conducted  with  the  greateft  IScccefy,  the 
^oucar  n^V^r  difcfefii^  the  State  of  the  Affairs  of  the  Zemindars* 

^  Do  the  Sottcvs  ot>prc<s  <1k  |^eo4adani  f  * 

A.  i7Si.  DEBATES.  ^3^ 

A.  Soucar»  are  Money-lenderr:  T^ey  do  not,  I  believe,  always  take  the  /ame  Pre« 
miums  for  the -Sums  they  advance,  but  proportion^  their  Demand  to  the  Exigency  of  thd 
Borrower ;  and  this  is  the  only  Way  that  I  know  of,  in  which  they  can  'be  faid  to  op- 
preft  the  Zemindars* 

The  Chief  and  Council  at  Mafulipatam,  in  a  Letter  to  the  Prefident  and  Council  at 
Madras,  unitr  Date  the  13th  of  June  1780,  have  entereif  pretty  largely  on  this  Matter* 

Q^  Would  It  be  advifable  to  render  the  Tribute  of  the  Zemindars  fixed  and  certain  f 
A.  That  the  Annual  Tribute  ihoqld  be  fixed,  ia,  I  epnceive,  die  Mode  beft  calcu- 
lated for  the  Welfare  of  the  Countries  and  the  Zemindars,  and  in  no  Shape  detrimental 
to  the  Company.  In  faying  it  fhould  be  fixed,  I  by  no  Means  mean  that  the  Company 
Aottld  be  bound  by  any  written  Engagement  to  the  Zemindars  to  that  Elieft.  Indeecl 
1  have  always  underfhaod,  that  the  aiTembling  the  Zemindars  was  prineipally  to  receSve 
from  themiufficient  Bills  upon  the  Seucars,  for  dieir  Tribute  due;  at  the  fame  Time- 
the  Zemindar  received  annually  a  Cowle,  ftating,  with  other  Matters,  the  particular 
Periods,  of  Payment^  Some  Years  ago  they  affembled  at  Rajahmundry,  where  the 
Chief  fettled  with  them  ;  and  of  later  Years  at  Mafulipatam,  where  their  Concernt 
tamt  more  imme(tiately  under  the  Cognisance  of  the  Chief  and  Council. 


<^  Dees  her  think  the  prefent  Modi  of  leafing  the  Lsnds  a  proper  one ;  or  does  he 
confider  it  as  ha^ng  a  Tendency  to  opprefs  die  Zemindart  and  ReAtcn  ? 

A.  I  do  not  conceive  that  the  Mode  of  receiving  the  Revenues  from  the  Zemindary 
Lands  is  at  all  opprefiive  to  the  Zemindars.  No  Agents  of  the  Company  have  any 
Interference  with  the  intemaT  Management  of  their  Countries,  unlefs  in  Cales  where 
they  forfeit  theii  exclufive  kight,  by  Non-payment  of  Tribute,  or  fome  other  great 
C^ufe)  and  even  in  thofe  CsUes  the  Zemindar  himfelf  gives  a  written  Order  to  hia- 
Qfervants  in  Tmflin  the  Country,  to  deliver  up.  his  principal  Fort,  and  the  Management^ 
of  his  Country,  to  fuch  Peribns  as  the  Company  may  fend  to  take  Charge  of  them.      ^ 

In  the  6th  Article,  I  have  obferved,  that  Europeans  have  fometimes  lent  Money 
to  the  Zemindars. ,  This,.  I  think,  might  have  been  in  fome  Inflances  a  Ground  fof 
Opprel!ion.  It  has  been  cufhmiary  in  thefe  Cafes,  to  make  over  the  Produce  of  certain. 
Villages  or  Difhridts,  in  which  the  Creditor  has  his  Agent,  to  take  Care  that  the  Re- 
i^enue  thereof  is  properiy  applied.  When  fuch  Creditor  is  the  Chief,  or  any  other 
Member  of  the  Council,  the  Servant  employed  under  the  Strength  of  his  Maftef  s  In* 
fliliencet  may  be  very  faulty,  almoft  with  Impunity.  Indeed  I  believe  it  has  been  no 
very  uncommdn  Cafe,  where  the  Servants  of  the  Zemindar  and  his  Creditor  have  com« 
bined  toged^er  to  cheat  their  refpe^ve  Maflers.  Chieft  of  Subordinates  may  be  ia 
fome  Degree  oppreffive,  by  granting  Duftuctcs  or  Orders  for  the  Paflage  of  certain  Articles 
through  the  Country  Duty-free,  by  which  die  Zemindars  are  deprived  of  fo  much  of 
their  Revenue.  The  principal  Servant  of  the  Qhief  has  it  alfo  much  in  his  Power  to 
opprefs  Individuals,  and  in  many  Cafes  with  Security.  I  do  not  mean  here  to  apply  the 
Two  laft  Cafes  to  any  Individual.  It  is  an  Evil  arifing  from  the  Principles  of  defpotic 
Government,  although  that  Government  is  adminiftered  by  an  Authority  not  pro« 
felling  thof^  Principles. 

Renters  may  be  liable  to  Oppreffions  from  fimilar  Cafes* 

<^  Does  he  think  the  Agreements  for  the  PofTefiion  of  the  Lands  too  fbort  ? 
A.  What  concerns  die  "Lemlhdan  in  this  Article,  is  already  xafwertd  in  the'  iith* 
^WtthRefpe^tto  the  Haveliy  Lands  (which  may  be  tranfiated  Demefne  Lands)  given 
In  Fvmt  to  Renters,  I  think  Ihort  Leafes  are  preferable,  not  exceeding  Threi^  Veart. 
When  I  was  refident  at  Ganjam,  I  reeommended  the  letting  the  Hdfvelly  Lands  fbf 
One  Yearonly.   My  Reafon  for  this  Opinion  is,  that  there  is  a  greater  Probability  to  a 
RtenCor  who  ins  regulariy  fulfilled  his  Engagements,  that  he  may  have  a  Renewal  of  hlsf 
Leatffty  than  there  Is  to  the  Company,  that  they  may  not  fuf&r  conflderable  Lofles  in  a 
1^0^  Leofoy  tadiuig  ii  for  granted)  feh«t  the  Servtnts-of  the  Compsny  continnaUy  watdi  ' 
•ver  the  Welfare  of  the  Countries  committed  to  their  Charge. 

.  »5d>.   , 
Q«  Does  he  think  the  Sums  exa^^  from  them  thsre  «faat  die  Land»  cm  bear  ? 

A.  t 

aj*  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  178A. 

A*  I  h«ve  already  in  Part  given  an  Anfwer  to  this  Query,  as  far  as  tbe  fame  •on- 
cerns  the  Zemindars* 

I  believe  it  is  no  very  uncommon  Cafe  for  Renters  to  give  in  Propofals,  by  which; 
where  they  have  been  accepted,  they  have  been  con/iderable  Lofers.  They  have  chiefly 
been  urged  to  this  from  a- Principle  of  Pride  or  Competition.  Where  this  happens,  the 
Countries  fo  rented  out,  mud  fuller  fome  Devaftation*  I  think  many  of  the  Farms 
are  rented  out  too  high. 

I  have  been  told,  that  in  Times  before  the  Europeans  had  any  Interference  in  thefc 
Matters,  the  Tribute  from  the  Zemindars,  and  the  Rents  from,  the  Havelly  Landsy 
were  much  lower  than  they  have  ever  been  fince.  Such  •a  Condudl  certainly  qualified 
th^  Rigour  of  a  defpotic  Government,  and  provided  for  the  Profperity  of  the  Country* 

Anwar  a  dien  Cawn  (Father  to  Mahommed  Ally,  the  prefent  Nabob  of  the  Car- 
oatic)  who  was  the  Nizam's  t)eputy  in  the  Chicacole  Circar,  took  a  very  low  Tribute 
from  the  Zemindars  j  the  Havelly  Lands  alfo  were  leafed  out  upon  eafy  Terms.  This 
i  learned  from  the  Records  of  the  Country  when  I  was  at  Ganjam* 

Q^  Does  he  think  the  Renters  really  unable  to  pay,  or  is  it  only  a  Pretence  ? 
/  *  A.  I  believe  in  general,  when  the  Renters  fail  in  their  Payments,  it  proceeds  from. 
Inability  ;  the  Caufe  of  this  Inability  is  partly  flated  in  the  laft  Article  ;  the  Natives  in 
general  do  not  pay  Attention  enough  to  OecMioroy ;  and  in  fome  Cafes  they  are  very 
extravagant,  pardcalarly  in  loelebntdng  the  Weddings  which  happen  in  their  Faml' 
lies,  which  n^y  alfo  promote  jthis  Inability.  : 

17th  and  18th. 

(^  Are  the  irtferior  Pofleffbrs  of  the  Lands  in  ft  State  oi  Bafe  or  riot  t 
'  Q^  What  are  the  Caufes  ?  ' 

A*  When  flie  Lands  are  farmed  out  at  a  Rent  higher  than  they  will  bear  (as  Hated 
before)  the  Inferior  Poifeffors  will  b^  opprciTed.  .  1  do  not  recolkdl  any  other  Caufe^ 
^caking  in  general. 


Qj^  Are  the  Lands  better  or  worfe  cuhivated  than  formerly  ? 

A.  From  the  Confideration  that  a  larger  Rent,  is  i;ow  cxafted  from  the  Land»j 
whereby  the  Ryots  or  Inhabitants  have  a  fmaller  Share,  the  Inference  to  be  drawn  muit 
be,  that  they  are  worfe  cultivated  now  than  formerly  y  and  I  think  I  may  venture  to 
fay  they  generally  are  fo,  from  wha&  has- paffed  within  my  own  Obfervation,  during  my 
Refidence  in  India. 
•'  20th. 

(i^  Does  he  think  the  Eftablifhmdnt,  and  other  Expcnces,.  of  the  Zemindars  and 
Centers,  in  any  Degree  the  Caufe  of  their  Diflrefs  ? 

A.  1  have  taken  Notice,  that  many  of  the  Zemindars  have  n6t  put  aflde  intirely 
their  Eftablifhment  of  Troops,  under  the  Name  of  Sibbe'ndy.  I  know  of  no  particular 
Caufe  for  their  Diftrefs  more  than  I  have  already  nientioned. 

I  have  already  noted,  that  the  Renters  are  generally  extravagant  in  the  Celebration 
df  their  Weddings.  As  their  Manner  of  living  is  very  fimple,  and  always  the  fame,  I 
do  not  think  it  can  cdfiiduce  to  their  Diftrefs.  If  it  does  in  any  Degree,  it  mud  arifs 
from  their  Hofpitality ;  the  Natives  hold  this  Virtue  in  high  Refpeft,  and  are  fome-* 
times  almofl  unbounded  in  their  A6ts  of  Benevolence :  All  this  may  be  equally  applied 
to  tlie  Zemindars. 

Q^.  Is  the  Country  more  or  lefs  populous  khan  it  formiirly  was  ? 

*A.  I  have  frecjuently  heard  it  amrmed,  that  the  Company^s  Jaguire  Lands^  in  the 
Carn^dc,  are  lei's  populous  than  they  were  fome  Years  ago  ;  but  as  I  have  never  feenf- 
any  Proof  that  it  is  fo,  I  cannot  ail'ent  to  that  Belief,  particularly  as  it  may  reafonably 
be  fuppofed,  that  the  Nabob's  Refidence  in  the  Vicinity  of  Madras,  muft  hjeve  drawn 
many  People  from  the  interior  Parts  of  the  Country.  As  I  have  not  been  much  at 
Madras  of  late  Years,  I  am  not  fuifiaiently  infor;ned  of  the  State  of  PopulaQon  in 
t)ic  Carnatic  in  general.  What  concerns  the  Noifthern  Circars  has  been  already  anfwered 
Jh  the  5th  Article.  *     •  ' 


Q^  What  are  the  Caufes  of  the  Difierence  of  Population  in  tiie  Neighbourhood  of 
Kiafalipat^iio,  ai  befare-ntiefitioiied  ^ 
-7  A.  A* 

A;  1782.  DEBATES.  i^j 

A.  As  it  was  in  Times  preceding  the  Arrival  of  Europeans  in  which  MafuIIpatam 
was  more  populous  than  it  has  been  of  later  Years,  I  cannot  tell  the  Caufes  of  the  De- 
^rrcafe  of  Population  there  j  but  moft  probably,  it  has  been  from  the  great  Decreafc  of 
Trade,  which  1  underftand  was  formerly  very  Cotifiderable  ther^;     > 

iQ^  Have  the  Revenues  under  Mjifulipatani  been  well  paid  ?  If  not; .  what  h^fre  be  cm 
the  Caufes  ? 

A.  I  believe,  when  the  Circars  firfl:  came  into  the  Pofleffion  of  the  Englifh  Eaft- 
Jndia  Compj^ny,  the  Countries  dependent  upon  Mafulipatam  were  in  a  miich  moi« 
fldurt^ing  State  than  they  arp  at  prefent,  and  the  Revenue  arlfing  ftom  them  more 
pun^ually  paid,  in  a  former  Paragraph^  I  have  noted  the  probable  Caufes  why 
the  Zemindars  ha vt  decreafed  iii  Wealth  ;  but  Until  thefc  few  Years  back,  this  In- 
fluence was  not  felt  by  the  Company  immediately,  as  the  Revenue  was  ftill  regularly 
received  :  But  the  Zemindars  began  to  contraft  Debts,  which  have  fmce  become  very 
confiderable*  Since  the  Period  of  the. unhappy  Difputcs  in  the  Council,  in  which  LQr4 
Pigot  was  deprived  of  his  Authority,  the  'Affairs  of  the  Company  every  where  on  the 
Coromandel  Coaft  have  vifibly  declined.  "Upon  my  Arrival  at  Madras  in  i^yS  I 
found  the  general  State  of  Things  entirely  altered,  and  much  for  the  worfe,  lince  the 
Time  of  my  leaving  India  in  1773. 

.  During  the  Time  that  the  Concerns  of  Mafulipatam  were  under  my  Charge  as  Chief 
tl»c  Revenues  have  been  ill  paid,  although  no  Endeavours  were  wanting  on  my  Part  tm 
fenforce  Order  and  Obedience  in  the  Zemindars ;  and  I  believe  I  may  venture  to  affirm 
that  no  former  Chief  had  fo  many  Impediments  to  encounter  as  I  had,  over  and  above 
the  general  iii  State  of  the  Company's  Affairs.  The  following  I  confider  as  the  irame-. 
diate  Caufes  of  the  Difficulties  I  experienced. 

The  calling  down  the  Zemindars  to  tlie  Prefidency,  which  I  have  already  taktfn  No- 
tice of  in  the  9th  Paragraph }  the  Lofs  of  I'ime  alfo,  from  their  Stay  at  Madras  after 
my  Arrival,  was  very  confiderabie,  and  of  Detriment. 

.    The  encreafing  the  Jemmabundy  or  Tribute  of  the  principal  Zemindars,  occafionei 
much  Difcqntent  amongft  them. 

The  depriving  the  Company's  Interpreter,  or  Dutjaih,  named  Vencatay  Royaloo,  of 
H^rtiim  PoUeifions  held  in  the  Circars,  and  the  leflening  his  Authority  in  the  Opinions 

of  tlie  Zemindars,  was  the  Ca^l"e  of  giving  me  much  additional  Trouble,  alid  the 

Mcalure  itfelf  was  a  great  Impediment  to  mc 

The  fuffering  the  Zemindars  to  have  Vack^els,  or  Agents,  refiding  at  thePrefidcncyi 

was  alfo  a  very  corifldcrable  Bar  in  conducing  the  Affairs  stt  Mafnlipatam. 

To  thefc  Caufes  may  be  added  the  eventual  one  which  the  War  with  Hyder  Ally 

occafioncd,  1  mean  his  overrunning  the  Guntoor  Circar  with  a  confiderabie  Body  of 

Cavalry  (from  3  to  5000)  by  which  the  Minds  of  the  Soucars  were  much  embarraffed 

*t  a  very  critical  Time,  as  will  iftore  fuily  appear  in  the  Corrcfporidence  with  the  Pre  -  ^ 



Q^  Are  Manufafiuris  in  A  State  of  Advance  or  Decline  ? 

A-  I  think  upon  the  whole  they  may  be  faid  to  be  Upon  the  Decline,  as  the  Cloths 
are  in  general  higher  priced,  and  not  fo  well  fabricated  as  they  have  been :  I  fpealc 
idhiefly  of  Manufactures  in  the  Circars  j  in  what  State  they  are  in  the  Carntticj  I  am 
In  a  great  Dfc|[re<  ignorant. 


Q^  What  are  did  Caufes  ? 

A;  In  Confcqnenee  bf  oor  Succeflcs  laft  War,,  the  Minufa^hires  have  been  in  si 
great  Degree  in  the  Hands  of  the  Company,  which  enabled  their  Servants  at  the  dif- 
ferent Fairies,  to-  providp  Cloth  upon  their  own  Account,  after  fupplying  the  Com- 
pany \o  the  Extent  of  their  Demands.  The  French  during  the  Peace  have  alfo  had 
sn  Agent  .or  Ag«nts  at  Yanara,  living  there  under  our  Government,  Who  have  pro- 
vided Cloth  (or*private  Adventurers  of  their  own  Nation  chiefly.  Of  late  Years  the 
t>anes  have  Talleii  into  .this  Track  of  Trade,  anil  bdicve  have  been  fupplied  in  a  great 
Degree  by  Britifh.  Agents.  The  Demands  for  this  Trade  being  great,  without  any 
Check,  or  that  nice  Infpeftion  into  the  Fabrick  of  the  Cloths,  which  is  conftandy  ob- 
ferved  in  the  Invcftmont  provided  for  the  Company,  may  be,  and  I  think  is,  the  Caufe 
tkat  the  Cloths  >o  general  are  higher  rated,  and  not  £0  well  fabricated* 

jTji  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1781. 

The  aln^oft  mfqperable  Dliifculties  which  the  Company  have  put  in  the  Way  of  re- 
|iMttmg  Money  to  England  by  individuals,  together  with  the  great  FalUng-off  of  their 
own  Inveftments,  have  afibrded  Strangers  bath  the  Opportunity  and  the  Means  of  car* 
lying  on  a  very  advantageous  Trade,  which  in  its  Confequences  muft  be  detmneatsl  cs 
the  Coinpany.     This  Matter,  I  think,  deferves  the  Attention  of  the  Committee. 

Q^  What  is  hi^  Opinloq  of  the  £fb{>lJihment  of  the  pomn^itfcee  of  Circuit  ? 


Q^  Was  it  wtll  calculated  to  arffwer  the  Purpofes  of  its  Inftitutioo  ? 

A.  The  Court  of  Dire^rs,  in  then:  Letter  to  Madras  under  the  Date,  April  ntb, 
177  c,  certainly  directed  the  Attention  of  the  Government  at  Madras  to  proper  Objeds 
for  Uie  Enquiry  of  a  Committee  of  Circuit  \  but  I  think  the  Mode  ordered  for  that 
Enquiry,  vyhich  h^s  been,  and  i%  ftil|  fo  much  wanted,  is  open  to  fom^  dbje£HoDS. 

I'he  EiHbliihment  of  fuch  a  Committee  a^  5jras  ordered  by  the  Dire^liors,  wonld  be 
attended  with  more  Expence  than  the  Nature  of  the  Bufintfs  to  be  done  piade  necefiiiq'i 

The  Bufinefs  they  \ycre  to  beempkyed  upon  was  not,  as  I  conceive,  of  the  delibe 
rate  Kind,  exceptjn  the  £i]gle  Cafe  of  letting  out  die  Lands  at  the  Expiration  of  former 
Leafes  ;  therefore,  that  the  Appointment  of  fo  many  Gentleinen  was  nnnecefiary. 

The  empowering  them  to  re«let  the  Lands  independent  of  thi^  Chief  and  Council) 
pnder  whofe  Jurifdi^on  the  Coi^ntries  might  be,  would  dimin^  too  much  die  Autbo- 
:^ty  and  Refponfibility  of  fuch  Chief  and  Coupcil,  and  make  it  v?ry  difficult  for  then 
to  z€t  witli  Vigour  in  Cafes  where  a  particular  Exertion  might  be  neceifary*  1  hold  it 
as  a  Maxim,  that  in  the  Govemnaent  of  defpotic  Countries,  tfie  ruling  Power  cannot 
\ic  divided  without  Detriment ;  Difputes  alio  \yould  arife  between  the  Committee  aoii 
the  Chief  and  Council,  to  the  Detriment  of  the  Company*  Upon  the  Whole,  I  think 
It  ^ery  poHlble,  that  the  Inconyeniencies  of  fuch  an  Efbiblifhment  might  inore  tbaa 
f  ountet-  ballance  any  Advantage  that  ^ould  arife  from  it» 

Obferving  hovtr  great  the  Hopes  entertained  by  the  Dlr^ors  were,  from  the  Eftablilb- 
inent  of  the  Committee  of  Circuit,  by  the  great'Difapprobation  they  havefliewo,  from 
their  Orders  not  having  been  exec\|ted,  I  give  my  Opinion  on  thefe  Two  Qaen«ni6 
lome  Diffidence.  ^  If  t  did  not  conceive  there  was  another  Mode  for  gaining  a  ^y 
accurate  Knowledge  of  thefe  Countries,  not  attended  with  dic^e  Inconveniences,  p^* 
haps  I  &otild  not  have  hazarded  this  Opinion* 


Q^  Was  there  g  fufficient  Number  of  the  Servants  of  the  Company  capable  of  ex^ 
cuting  that  Commiflion,  independent  of  the  Members  of  Council  employed  in  it  vbea 
It  was  abollHied  ?  * 

A*  I  have  no  Doubt  but  there  were  n^any  Servants  of  the  Con^pany  equally  eapable 
with  the  Members  of  the  Board  when  the  Committee  of  Circuit  was  al^li4he<(  >  uoleiil 
indeed,  from  their  Station,  the  latter  could  receive  any  additional  Weig^t»  * 


Qs,  What  is  his  Opinio^  of  the  Me^fpre  of  al^olifhing  it  ? 

A.  I  think  v^hen  it  was  aboliA^cd  fome'  other  Mode  fhbuld  have  been  fub/&tuted  bf 
the  Governor  and  Council,  that  the  Spirit  of  the  Orders  from  Home  might  have  bee> 
followed ;  but  it  is  poHible  that  the  general  State  of  the  Company*!  Affiua  at  the 
Time  might  have  obftruAed  the  Prof  ecu  tion  of  die  Orders  received  $  aiK^  of  this  I  %v 
not  Mafler  enough  of  the  Subjed;  to  judge.  It  certain^  is  an  ImpUcatioB,  that* 
Country  is  in  a  State  of  Tranqqillity,  where  Inquiries  of  thU  Nature  cjui  be  nude. 

Q;^  Would  not  an  accurate  Inveftigation  of  the  Circar^,  upen  tiie  Pftn  of  tiic  Cso- 
inittee  of  Circuit,  be  ftill  0/  great  Advantage  ? 

■  A.  Admitting  that  the  Committee  of  Circuit  is  a  good  Mode, 'I  fear  the  Slate  of 
A^airs  there  is  fuch  sis  to  difcburage  the  putting  it  in  immediate  Exeautlon* 


•  Q^  What  is  the  Sutc  of  the  Jaghire  Lands  ? 

*  A.  To  this  Query  1  cannot  aniwer  from  my  own  Knowledge  j  bnt  I  hvrt  h^  '^ 
frjci^uently,  and  indeed  alway»  a^ed,  that  the  Ja^re  Lpitfs^e  Fatbar  in  «  ^ecliai"( 

A,  i783f.  U    E    B    A    T    E    S.  «H 

Ithan  a  AouriH^ng  State ;  and  the  Reafon  ^ivta  is,  tiut  the  NiVob  196  tjU|«clous  of 
holding  thefe  Luids,  that  he  gives  for  thetn  tqoit  ^kaffi  they  «re  worth,  n>  exelods  an/ 
other  CantUdate ;  this  probably  obliges  him  to  dra^  a  gv^ter  ^avenue  froqi  t^  Ca%tiif 
tries,  than  i«  co^fteot  with  found  Poilic^,  or  the  DiS^^tes  of  ^ple  Jiift\ce^ 

(^  Is  it  of  Advantage  that  they  fhoi^ld  be  continued  \i|rith  the  Nabob  ^ 

A.  Cohfidering  the  Condu^  of  the  Nabol)  of  Ifite  Yean,  and  the  Power  hfs  has 
^fltimed,  I  think  it  highly  iinproper  that  the  Jagyice  L)ji^dfr  ihould  be  under  hi«  Ma- 

The  principal  Motive  of  the  Nabob  19  renting  tl)ie  Uguire,  M.  ^  I  believe,  that  the 
fole  Authority  throughout  the  Carnatic  ihall  be  in  $lix^»  I  ^lelieve  he  \yould  confider 
fhe  letting  any  other  Perfon  have  thefe  Land)  as  diij^cefi|l  to  I^ini. 

It  is  not  confident  with  the  Con^pany's  Profperity,  th^t  any  Perfon  poQeiiiag  Ideas  of 
Independence,  ihi^uld  h^ve  unlimited  Power  in  the  Jaguiie  iSands  $  as  in  that  Cafe  th« 
Benefits  arifing  froni  a  Territory  which  is  fo  weU  Btuated  to  afford  Refo^roes  of  all 
Kinds  to  the  Prefidency  may  be  m^ch  ieflcned,  and  Abufe^  (:on)^itted  in  the  Country 
jaot  be  efle^ally  enquired  into.  I  believe  there  are  Inftances  o^entionj^d  in  the  Record^ 
fit  Madras  to  this  Pu'rpofe,  but  I  do  not  remcm^^er  theoir  fufficleotly  to  point  thexp  out 

.  .     334- 

Q^  Are  luis  (nyn  Lands  10  a  better  State  ? 

A.  I  have  always  underftood  that  the  NaboVs  Government  Is  very  ^»preBiye,  an4 

that  t'.ie  Inhabitants  are  kept  in  great  Poverty,  and  confeai^ently  that  fa^s  Countries  fa^ve 

greatly  declined*     As  it  is  now  fome  Years  Hnce  I  have  been  any  where  in  the  interior 

Parts  of  the  Carnatic,  I  can  fay  nothing  to  tliis  Query  fron;  my  own  Knowledge. 


Q^  What  is  the  Caufe  of  his  Diftrcfs  ? 

A;  Upon  Public  Grounds  this  I  thiink  cannot  be  accounted  for,  «s  the  Nabob  has 
held  the  Carnatic  in  a  St^teof  uninterrupted  Peace  for  many  Years.  That  the  Nabob 
ihould  be  in  actual  Diilre&  under  fuch  Circumftanoes,  is  a  Macter  of  great  Mooient. 
and  highly  deferving  the  Attention  of  the  Committee  ;  becaufe,  if  it  is  a  Fad,  it  de> 
moni^tes  that  the  Coqapany,  Co  far  from  being  Gainers  from  ck<:ir  Concerns  in  the 
Carnatic,  mif  ft  be  Lofers.  The  Expence  of  reducing  Poodicherry  and  Mahe  may  havtf 
been  c<)niiderable,  bift  the  Aniount  of  this  Expence  if  greatly  Over  balhu^ced  by  th^ 
Immenfe  Pebts  he  has  contra^d  with  Individuals* 

,0;^  Is  there  not  a  great  Annual  Exportation  of  Specie  from  the  Country  } 

A.  Independent  of  the  Specie  fent  to  Chin^  On  Account  of  the  Company  (chiefly 

from  Bengal)  I  believe  wjthln  the  laft  Twelve  Years  v«ry  ^onfiderabk;  Sums  have  beeq^ 

exported  by  Individuals  from  the  Coroo^andel  Coaft,  and  fome  ^rom  Bengal  alfo,  b^t  t^ 

-yrhat  Ainbi^nt  Annually,  I  cannot  take  upon  me  td  f^y* 


Q;^  To  what  i^  the  Ei^portatton  of  Specie  owing  ?  ^    ^.  , 

A*  Some  few  Individuals  may  have  ^nt  Specib  to  China  for  the  Advaj^ta^  of  tbjs 
Ljgh  Intereft  paid  for  Money  there ;  but  it  is  owing,  in  a  xi^uch  greater  £^gree,  to  thc^ 
Pltficulties  which  Individuals  find  in  making  Jlen^ittances  to  England  dtrq^Uy,  by  which 
(ainongft  other  Expedients)  they  have  fallen  upon  the  Mode  of  fending  it  to  China, 
^om  whence  the  Amoant  is  remitted  to  England,  eitl^cr  by  Bills  on  the  Coqapanv  or 
ethers*  '  •  .  . 

37th.       '        - 

Q;,  What  does  he  think  will  be  the  £^e6t  of  that  Exportation  of  Specie? 

A*  I  believe  it  is  generally  \inderftood,  that  ^he  Exportation  of  the  Specie  Is  of  De- 
^iment  to  a  State;  the  Exportation  to  China,  therefore,  muft  be  in  a  more  ps^cvla^ 
l^anner  foy  as  it  is  beUeyed  that  none  is  ever  fent  out  of  ^at  Country. 

Further  Siuefiions  put  to  Mr»  Catsford* 
Were  the  Zemindars  and  Renters  under  the  Ma^oa^edan  Ogvernm^ent  fufaje^  to  any 
Payments  more  than  the  Rents  ajgireed  to  be  pai4  annually  for  the  Piftri^  which  they 

field  ?  '      ^  .... 

I'  believe  die  Deputiee  of  the  Oovernment  did  receive,  over  and  above  the  Tribute  (^t« 
lied  uuder  the  Goyerainent^  a  further  Sum  niyk^  the  ^attieof  Nt}^  •r  Prefeat,  whic)^ 

ii6  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  i7«2. 

thry  pretended  was  for  Payment  of  tUeir  Troops ;  but  their  Ability  to  procure  this  was 
in  Proportion  to  the  Strength  of  their  Army. 

bidthe  Prefcnts  bear  any  Proportion  to  die  Tribute,  or  were  they  arbitrary? 

I  think  they  wer^  arbitrary.  , 

After  the  Zemindarics  came  under  Europfean  Government,  did  any  of  the  Remains  •f 
the  Nazar  or  prefcnts  exift  ? 

"  I  Helic-ve  ji  has  cxiftedi  and  think  I  have  feen  a  Paper  of  Mr.  Bafly's,  where  a  Part  of 
the  Tribute  is  broui^Jit  to  Actount  under  the  Head  of  Prefcnt.    • 

When  it  came  from  the  French,  under  our  Government,  did  the  fame  Pra^ct  eicift  ? 

I  think  it  has  exifhd  in  a  greater  or  Icfs  Degree  ever  fince; 

Vnder  what  Head  is  it  entered  in  our  Accounts  ? 

There  is  no  f«ch  H&ad.     1  never  undetftood  any  fuch  Articles  were  brought  to  Account 
m  the  Company's  AtcountSi 

What  eom&s  of  the  Money  fo  cxd^led 



I  think  whatever  Prcfents  were  received  were  cohfidcrcd  as  "PerquiUte  of  the  Statico, 
iud  not  coniidered  in  kny  Kefpe£t  as  a  Part  of  the  Tribute. 

Are  the  Prefents  how  given  certain,  and  bearing  a  fettled  Proportion  to  the  fixe^ 
Tribute  paid  by  the  Zemindar,  are  they  optional  at  th£  Difcretxon  of  the  Giver  ? 

Tlieyare  entii^ly  optional. 

Suppofc  the  Zemindars  had  not  been  Called  down  to  Madras,  would  not  you  hare 
thought  yourfelf  at  Liberty,  tonfiilentwith  your  Duty,  tohaVe  2Lccepted  fuch  Gratuities 
irom  the  Zemindars  ? 

I  fliould  haVe  rtiought  it  my  firrt  Duty  to  cnforte  the  Payment  of  the  Company's  Tri- 
fe'jte,  without  fuftcring  my  own  Interelt  to  interfere  with  it;  but 'I  don't  if^ean  to  fay  i 
fliould  have  d*:':lined  the  cnftofRary  Advantages  of  my  Situation. 

Is  any  Prefent  of  Importance  paidT  Upon  the  Colie^ons  ? 

]  don't  know  that  there  is. 

Had  you  Occaijon  to  fee  any  of  the  Zemindars  after  thtir  Return  frotrt  Madras  ? 
.  I  faw  almod  all  belonging  to  Mafulipatam  at  Mafalipatam*  , 

.  Had  you  any  Converfation  with  them  about  the  Prefents  madfe  to  Sir  Thomas  Rumbold, 
«r  any  of  die  Council  of  the  Madras  Government  ? 

.  I  had  no  Converfation  with  them  concerning  Prefents  to  Sir  Thomas  Rumhold,  or 
any  of  the  Council  of  the  Preiidency  of  Madras ;  but  they  complaiiied  of  the  Expences 
IP  und  fropn  Madras,,  and  while  refident  there,  ss  Reafons  for  not  being  fo  pun^ual  as 
formerly  in  paying  their  Tribute ;  and  upon  the  fame  Occafion,  and  with  the  fame 
Vicvf,  they  mentiOEcd  the  Diibrders  created  in  the  Management  of  their  Affairs  in  their 
AbCenco,  particularly  alluding  to  the  Mifcondu^t  of  their  Servants,  and  in  the  Counc 
^f  Bufipefs  I  found  fome  of  it  verified. 

Did  it  come  to  your  Knowledge  by  any  other.  Means  that  Prefents  were  given  it 
Madras  ? 

I  hav&  no  Autnbrfty  to  a^ert  that  Prefents  Were  given  at  Madras.  I  don^t  know  any 
waire  given. 

Did  the  Zemindars  when  at  Madi-as  pay  any  Sums  for  Tribute,  they  would  othervvifs 
have  paid  at  MafulipAtam  P 

I  think  they  gave  Soucar  Securities  for  fome,  but  I  had  much  Difficulty  irf  fetovering 
k}  nor  were  the  Sums  proniifed  to  be  paid,  equal  to  vvh^t  at  the  fame  Time  would  havt 
keen  received  at  Mafulipatam,  had  the  Zemindars  been  there  to  look  after  their  own 

*•  Wh&t  odier  Mtjde  do  you  rfppreheni  might  have  been  taken  nrflestd  of  appointing  the 
Committee  of  Circuit  ? 

I  recommend  tlie  fame  Mode  which  was  taken  w'hen  Mr.  Barnard  furveyed  the  Jaghirc 
]B  the  Cainatic. 

-  Could  an  Individual  execute  the  Orders  given  by  the  Court  of  DireQors  in  their  Letter 
*f  12  April  1775,  relating  to  the  Invertjgation  of  the  Circars  with  that  Aothorit>-  as 
Five  Perfons  under  the  Authority  of  thtf^  Government  of  the  Prefidcncy  of  Fort  Saint 
George  ? 

1  think  the  Inquiries  pointed  out  for  the  Inftruftion  of  thfe  Committee  of  Circuit  by 
the^  Court  of  Directors,  cpuld  be  as  well  executed  by^OncPerfon.  of  Ability,  it  being 
mciely  the  taking  the  Records  of  the  fevcral  Villages  as  I  Qnderftandj  which  Rcc<^rd>« 
by  the  Cufloms  of  the  Ccantry,  ai-e  kept  in  every  PergvHui'ah.  tvtd  Village  by  Black 
Servants  belonging  cp'thc  Circar  or  .GoveromenC« 

A.  ijixn  DEB    A    T    E    S.  ^  237 

February  19. 

The  order  of  tie  day  for  going  into  a  committee  on  the 
Mutiny  Bill  was  moved* 

Mr.  Buriewifhtd  to  have  the  bufincfs  delayed,  until  cp-  Mr. Burk*. 
pies  tould  be  had,  and  laid  upon  the  table,  of  fome  papers 
relative  to  General  Arnold ;  but  the  Speaker  faid  that  the 
honourable  niember  had  fjpoken  too  late;  for  the  motion  for 
the  order  of  the,  day  had  been  made,  and  no  Other  could  be 
propofed  until  that  had  been  difpofed  of.  In  confequeoce  of 
the  motion,  the  Hoiife  refolyeditfclf  into  a  committee,  and 
Mr.  Ord  took  thechair. 

The  Secrstary  at  ffar  then  informed  the  committee,  that  he  Secretariat 
had  aclaufe  to  infert,  which  undoubtddly  was  an  innovation  ^^'* 
in  the  mutiny  bill;  but  then  it  was  of  fuch  a  nature,  that  he 
trufied  the  committee  could  have  no  objedion  to  its  pafHng : 
he  (aid,  that  ihamefully  flying  before  thjp  ^nemy,  orfhame- 
fully  furreijdering  up  a  poft  or  fortxefs,  were  crimes  punifli- 
able  under  the  mutiny  bill,  with  death,  in  evqry  part  of  the 
King's  dominions,  except  in- Great-Britain,  and  the  iilands 
of  Jerfcy,  Guernfey,  Sark,  and  Man;  now  as  it  could  be 
no  lefs  criminal,  in  h&f  to  fly  before  the  enemy,  or  (hame- 
f ully.  furrendcr  a  poft,  in  any  of  thefe  places,  th^n  in  another ; 
fo  it  would  be  proper  in  his  opinion,  to  inflift  the  fame  pu- 
nifhment  on  delinquents  of  this  defcription,  as'  if  the  fccne . 
of  their  cowardice  or  treachery  had  been  in  any  other  part  of 
the  world.  Therefore  he  moved  a  claufe  to  that  effed,  to 
be  inferted  in  the  bill. 

It  was  fuggefted,  tha.t  it  was  fqr..y;ery  good  rcafoiis,  that 
former  mutmy  laws  di4  not  contain  a  clanfe,  fuch.  as  had  •  . 
been  propofed  by  the  right  honorable  member;  becaufc, 
though  martial  law  (hould  be  filent,  the. civil  law  would  not 
fuffer  to  efcape  .unpunifbed  the  man  who  Ihould  furrender  a 
pofl:  committed  to.  his  care.  In  anfwer  to  this,  the  Secretary 
at  War  replied,  that  the  civil  law  could  not  take  cognizance 
of  cowardice,  orfpupifh  a  coward  with  deatli ;  and  therefore 
martial  law  mviftfupjply  the  d?f$;&,, of ^  the  civil  law;  confe- 
quently  the- claufe  he  had  propofed  appeared  to  him  as  very, 
neceffary  on  fuchan  occafion.        ■  ■*'■'-.-. 

Mr.  if^r^^  oppofed  it,  .and  in  thp  co^rfc  of  his  argument  Mr.  BoAc 
againift  it,  alluded  to  .the  cpndu^  and  filiation  of  General 
Arnold.  The  honourable  gentlen\9jn  thought,  it  highly  im- 
proper that  this  ofiicer.  fh^uld  hold,  ^principal  command^  as 
it  was  undcrftootj  he  was'  to  dq,  and  be.under  the-  power  of 
the  Crown  to  order  a'cotirt-martial  to  try  him  for  abandon^ 

Vol.  VI.     ,  I  i  ing 

238  PARLIAMENTAHY  a.  n82. 

ing  or  giving  up  a  poft,  whfcn  it  had  been  by  fuch  a  piece  of 
treachery  that  he  had  defcrtWto  oor  fcrvice.  Sach  ah  of- 
ficer, he  thoueht  would  be  little  enconr^gca,  by  wliattbe 
Secretary  at  War  propofcd,  to  io  his  duty.  He  had  taten 
a  command  from  the  tebds,  he  hiid  tcttivcd  their  rar,  atrf 
he  had  betrayed  his  Itoft,  fo  that  he  had  in  truth  Wcfi  a 
rebel  to  rebels.  Sech  a  roan,  Mr.  Burke  was  of  opifii^n, 
was  not  to  be  trufted,  nor  did  he  think  th^t  ztij  l^ws  ccdd 
bind  him  in  his  alKance  to  his  Sovereign.  Btit.  above  all,  it 
^as  impolitic  and  fhamefd  that  fndi  a  <m^  Ihbald  harvt  aa 
important  appointmenx  and  a  truft.  *  ft  tvtmld  tnangle  the 
dilciplinc  of  the  army, — ^it  would  deffror  the  tirdc  feerm|s 
and  the  ftnfe  of  honour ;  for  who  would  be  iblkitous  of  dS- 
tjnftion  and  advancement,  Whcft  tfxey  wete  tb  be  ptocored  by 
fuch  means } 

The  honourable  gentleman  with  great  humour,  mingld 
with  a  degree  of  farcafm  and  iatire^  complrtnented  the  nov 
Sccreury  (Mr.  ElWs)  i^qpoflhh  Coming  Into  ofiit?e^  tvith  fuck 
a'n  admirable  amendment  Of  thlVnuiinyaift,  ef^ecmlty  astBat 
amendment  was  principally  iiltended  to  keephotxeft  aa  officer, 
who  had  dome  to  us  through  t react  ery.  He  congratulated 
the  new  Secretary  upon  it,  and  in  fo  doing,  took  occaiionto 
call  upon  him,  to  let  the  committee  khow  upon  what  princi- 
ples uie  American  war  was  in  future  to  be  condufted,  what 
forces  were  to  be  employed  in  the  bu6nefs,  and  to  whoife  care 
the  forthet  effufion  of  our  beft  blood,  was  to  be  now  cq- 

Mr.  Wei-       The  Secretary  of  State  for  the  JImirkan  Defmrtmnt  (the  Right 

korc  EiUi.  Hq^^  Mr.  Wdborc  Ellis)  faid,  hfclhOdld  nOt  rife  to  trouble 
the  Houie  on  the  ocCafion,  but  that  hb  felt  himfelf  calied  upon 
in  fo  particular  H  manner.  With  refpeft  to  the  principle  on 
which  the  American  war  was  in  future  to  be  conduAed^  he 
felt  himfelf  rather  aukward  in  coming  fbrWard  upon,  as  he 
vt^%{o young  a  member.  All  he  could  fay  Was,  that  he  had 
accepted  the  office  he  bad  the  hc^nour  to  hold,  on  no  condi- 
tions whatever.  He  had  cotne  into  it  wirlr  a  view  only  to 
the  public  good,  and  be  trufted  he  fhculd  be  enabled  to  efed 
his  purpofe.    With  regard  to  ihe  treachery  of  the  officer  al- 

^  luded  to,  he  had  done  no  more  than  return  to  his  allegiance, 

and  he  did  not  think  that  fuch  an  a£t  would  have  been  ceo* 
lured  in  a  Britifh  Houfe  of  Commons. 

Mr.sioper.  Mr.  Shper  thought  time  fhould  be  allowed  the  committee 
for  conlidering  how  far  it  might  be  proper^  or  not^  to  agree 
to  the  amendment  propofed. 

4  Sir 

•  * 

A.  1782.     -        DEBATES.  239 

Sir  Philip  Jennings  QUrte  ftid  4  few  words  on  the  nature  ojf  Sir  rwiip 

regimental  courts-martial.  J*  ^'«>''^«« 

Mr,   T*  Tmujhend  pbjcfted  to'  ^Jic  introduQion  of  the  Mr.  Tho. 

Claufc.  .  .  ;  Tpwn&cnd 

Geifffral  Chn%vay  did  not  mean  to  vipdicatc  the  condp£k  of  ^'**'** 
the  ijCncfal  9<5&f:^r  who  had  been  fo  tnuch  allude^  to,  or  to     ^**^' 
have  the  leaft  conoern  with  his  character  ai  a  man,  but  this 
he  was  fureof^  that  every  temptation  Ihould  be  held  out  by 
us  to  induce  thofc  in  the  (crvicp  of  the  enemy  to  come  over  to 
us«   .The  more  imj)ortant  the  command  of  the  of&cer  was* 
we  wift^d  to  brings  over  to  us,  the  ftrongcr  Ihould  be  thp 
temptations  thrown  out  for  him.    All  peribns,  fervicpable  to.^ 
the  enemy,  in  any  way  whatfoever^  were  ip  be  got  from 
their  fervice.    But  wh^n  they  had  been  won  over  by  us,  hpw 
far  it  might  be  proper  to  uoft  them,  or  give  them  a  com- 
mand, was  imotber  thing  to  be  confidered.    With  rcfpeft  tp 
the  mptioii  offered  fpjr  the  (roniideratipo  pf  the  ppmmitteej^ 
he  thought  that  tiqip  fbouU  h^ve  been  allowed  for  it. 

Mr.  Fm  iaid,  the  claufe  that  had  been  propofed^  was  a  Mr.  Fox. 
moft  proper  one  to  cojaae  from  tlie  prefent  government ;  it 
mr^ji  i;OQ£ormabIe  to  theij:  fy^em^  they  h^d  uniformly  ailed 
on  a  levelling  principle;,  and  aimed  at  fetting  every  thing 
tliat  was  jufl;^  noble,  and  honourable,  at  defiance,  and  doing 
it  away  to  all  intents  and  purpofes.  Having,  therefore,  by 
one  contJAued  chain  of  disgraceful  proceedings  on  their  part, 
idiuing  tlie  whole  courfe  of  the  war,  endeavoured  to  under^ 
xxilne  the  very  foundation  of  honour  in  the  army,  they  afled 
wifely  and  coniiften^ly,  when  they  too)c  the  great,  the  ori- 

final,  and  the  true  military  {afegaafd,  honour,  ^ut  of  the 
ill,  to  fill  its  place  with  that  pitiful  fubftitute  fear,  the 
only  fafeguard  thacco^Ald  be  adopted  whe?  that  of  honour  w^s 
out  of  the  queftiao*  Mr.  Fox  noticed  General  Conway's 
renaarl^  tliat  axxrtain  perfon's  having  quitted  the  American 
army^  and  joined  the  Britifli  fo;;ces^  was  liable  to  tyvo  con- 
ftrucbons;  theone  axronftru&ion  that  was  honourable,  the 
other  a  dii^a^cMconftro^tion.  He  was  ready  to  admit  far- 
ther, that  where  there  were  two  fides  of  a  gueftion,  it  was 
generally  equally  proper  and  candid  to  take  the  beft,  and 
argue  upon  that^  In  the  prefent  cafp  he  was  debarred  frooi 
a£ting  conformably  to  this  poiition,  and  why  ?  Becaufe  the 
mode  in  which  theper(bn  alluded  to  bad  quitted  the  American 
army,  put  the  matter  beyond  all  doubt.  True  it  was,  that 
s^ny  man  might  hooQurably  follow  his  inclbation  in  return-* 
ing  to  his  allegiance  ^  but  cpuld  a  man  pf  honour  behave 

li  a  treacheroufly  ? 


240  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782. 

treacheroufly  ?  If  afting  for  one  party,  and  continuing  at 
the  fame  time  in  the  pay  of  another,  was  not  behaving 
treacheroufly,  he  knew  not  what  was.  At  the  fame  time 
that  he  faid  this,  he  was  perfectly  aware,  that  fpies  were  ne- 
ceflary  in  time  of  war,  and  that  their  fexvice  ought  to  be  re- 
quited. But  how  ought  it  to  be  requited  ?  Certainly  by 
pecuniary  reward !  By  a  fum  of  money !  Did  any  man  ever 
hear  of  rewarding  a  fpy  with  a  Brigadicr-generalfliip  ?  Was 
it  common  to  invcft  a  Ipy  with  high  military  honours  ?  Con- 
fider  for  a  moment  the  confequence.  Was  the  Britifh  army 
to  be  commanded  by  fpies,  known  and  acknowledged  (pies? 
He  declared,  for  his  part,  the  moment  he  heard  of  the  pcr- 
fon  in  queftion  being  appointed  to  the  Brigadier -gene ralfliip, 
he  was  moft  feriouily  alarmed;  and  whent  the  Gazette  ap- 
peared, in  which  he  Taw  th^t  charaAer  diitributju^g  pfaifeand 
inlinuating  cenfure  on  Britifh  officers,  he  felt  a  new  feofa- 
tion,  and  Ihuddercd  for  the  fituation  of  thofe  officers,  who 
were  liable  either  to  the  one  or  the  other.  Hitherto  he  hnd 
regarded  the  army,  and  all  who  belonged  to  if,  with  jcaloufy 
and  with  fear,  becaufe  he  had  never  been  in, the  habit  of  con- 
iidering  military  men  in  any  other,  than  a  conftittitional 
point  of  view;  he  now,  for  the  firft  time,  regarded  the  mi- 
litary profeffion  with  pity.  He  faid,  after  what  had  hap- 
pened laft  year,  in  the  line  of  naval  promotion  to  a  civil  em- 
ployment, he  wondered  not  that  yefterday,  in  another  place, 
the  appointment  of  an' officer  to  a  peerage,  who  had  been 
degraded  and  difgraced  in  his  military  capacity,  was  treated 
in  the  manner  in  which  he  had  heard  it  treated.  Would  any 
man  have  believed,  had  they  not  known  the  levelling  fyftem 
of  the  prefcnt  government,  that  his  Majefty*s  could  have 
gravely  ilood  up  in  a  Houfe  of  Parliament,  and  in  a  ierious 
manner  contended,  that  the  fentence  of  a  court  tnartial, 
pronouncing  an  officer  unfit  for  any  military  employment 
whatever,  was^  a  matter  of  not  the  fmalleft  difgrace !  But 
it  was  with  jiride  of  heart,  that  he  recolleffed  yefterday  had 
fhewn,  that  there  were  peers,  who,  in  fpite  of  the  general 
depravity  of  the  times,  dared  to  ftand  up,  and  declare  them- 
felves  the  advocates  of  honour.  Thofe  men  had  immorta- 
lized themfelves,  and  their  chara£^ers  would  ftand  high  in 
the  opinion  ofpofterity;  they  would  be  reverenced,  eftecmed, 
and  adored  in  future  ages,  as  men  whofe  breefts  were  in- 
fpired  by  the  nobleft  fentiments  that  ever  afiuated  human 
nature.  Nor  was  it  to  be^wondered  at,  when  it  was  confi- 
dcrcd  who  thofe  charaftcrs  were  ?  In  a  government,  v^iierethc 


-A.  1782.  "D    E'B   -A'T   E    S.-'    V  'af4i 

inoft  batcficcd  eocouragement  of  bafenefs,  ^nda 'cdtiftant 
oppoiition  of  every appcaraiiice  of 'ht>naur  Wa^  ihfe  rtilfAg  jprlft- 
ciplc  of  theJr';  fyftcfe,  whcte  was^a  m^n  to  look*  f^r^thofe, 
who  Hill  held  a ' due'  fcnfe  df  that  nobler,  that  trtilf  iritRtary 
chafaaeriftiidJ"V  but'  in'  pcrfons/  ^whofc  Jieutttiahtids  <Jf 
cOmttiesr  had  bten  tak^n  from  them  by  AdminiftfitTcm4    If 
AdminillratTOt^  dctefted  the  idea  of  honour,  it  was^riafural^tb 
fuppofe  that  it  was  tc^^be  ihet  with- in  mcn,^  whttojipafedthjrt 
Admimftratton.     HbremaHccd,'  MontefquieU  ha^bfeffirvM, 
that  of  all  others  this  Britijfh  cooftrtutibn  rcfted  rtoft  cffertt*- 
ally  on  the  point  of  honour.-  •  He  appealed  therefore*  to  copn- 
inon  fehfci  and*  the  conviftion  of  every  mkn  who  hfe^rd^hiiy, 
whether  the  tohduft  of  that  gbycmmcfnt,  whidi  hwrnfeffly 
and  induftrioufly  tended  to-deftroy  all  fenieof  hohciuf  ihthc 
military  proftmon,  did  not  thi^aten  moft  lcrldd«  and  inibit 
fat^l  mifchicf  to  the  •  country?^  -Thinking as  *h^  did-bn  t|ic' 
ibbjeft,^'**  t^s  free  to  fay,"hd  could  hpfbtit-jM-ohotiiice  tfhc 
cladfe  no^'  moved  for,  by  -th^*  SJeretap^ift'^'Wa^i  perfeQly 
conformable  to  the  reft  of  the  pfefent  fyfteht  df^O^^rifment. 
The  right  hdnSbrable  geHtreman- Well  knew,; that' eYiCourag- 
ing  the  military  to  fquare  their  conduft,  by'fttpp^idg  that    ■':^  '^ 
every  indlvidbaradion  of  their  lives -mufb*  he*  difgfaccful,         *" 
which  did  not  ground  itfelf  on  the  high  poitit'df  h'6n<3ur,"Wa8 
the  beft  fecuritiy"  to  the  country  for  ouf  hkving-a  brave  and 'a 
gallant  army,  but  finding  this,  hirf  beft' ground^*  cut  frOfti 
under  hiin  by. the  prefent  government,'  he  had,-  with  a  pru- 
dence that  his  wifdom,' accommodated -hts  ^nutiny 
bill  to  the  conduft  of  Adminiftration.     ft  was  but  one  more 
part  of  the  large  whole,    ^Minifters  had  found  out  the  true 
wit.  of  the  levelling  principle,  and  discovered  that  lowering 
all  men  to  their  own  bafcnefs,  was  the  only  means  of  keeping 
the  whole  of  the  people  in  humour  with  each  other,  and  the 
right  honourable  gentleman  afted  wiih  the  foundeft  policy, 
in  endeavouring  to  meet  the  fame  idea,  when  he  found  he 
could  not  better  himfelf,  if  he  {attempted  a  contrary  line  of 

After  (brae  farther  cohverfaftion,  the  claufe  propofcd  by  the 
Se<?retary  at  War  was  moved,  ^nd  agreed  to  without  a  di- 
vifion.  .         •  *    , 

General  Burgoyne  now  rofe,  to  make  a   motion,  in  which  General 
he  faid  his  honour  and  chara£ler^  as  a  foldier  and  a   man,  Burgojfne. 
were  moft  intimately  concerned ^  and  as  what  he  had  to  pro- 
pofc  was  new  in  its  nature,  he  hoped  the  motives  which  im- 
pelled him  to  make  the  motion,  would  excufe  him  to  tlie 


a^  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1781. 

He  ftate«It .  that  by  a  clapfe  in  the  jnatioy  aA^  proTecutloQi 
were  limited  to  three  jW9f  fo  ihat  i^  his  cafe  he  was  pre- 
cluded faom  a  cQuri-inactial }  he  hadj)e«n  fiirft  refined  ad- 
miitai^  hia  ibveicigQ,  at  i|pt  having  fk^cA  a  neceiliiry 
preli^ioary  etiguette  of  a  trial    He  had  heeia  tdfl  in  tfac 
Houfe  wboi  be  urged  hi$  fim^thxi^  and  totd  in  j^  Ul^uage 
«f  threats,  tha(  he  ihould  he  tried.    H^  had  urjged  a  trial  by 
every,  poffible  means,,  yet  he  waa  refuied  ;hat.  indulgence, 
and  for  no  other  reafi>p  he  coi^h}  Aippoie  except-  -that  miml- 
tqrs  know  there  was  no  qharcp  afgainu  hioi, 
r  This,  he  iaid^  was  a  peculiar  crueUy^  which  cpnqemed  the 
whole  army,  as  nsinifters  aiTttmed  a  pow^r  ^9  poilpoae  i 
man^B  trial  till  all  the  wiu^fles  were  cmt^f  the  way.    He 
therefiure  oiovcd,  that  in  the  <4auie  of  Umitation,  he  ihodd 
foe  fpeciaUy  ^winded  by  name.     The  ^rnmj  ai  ffor  moved  ^m  amendment,  wUch  was, 
^^*         that  the  exdofion  be  general  in  cafes  fimilar  to  tivit  of  the 
boooveable  General,  wher»  men  were  held  priipn^ra  on  pa- 
role or  othcrwiCe ;  and  f^lfo  where  they  were  ont  of  the  kixig- 
d^^  for  three  yeara,  or  where  they  avoided  U\A* 
Mr. Dm-        Mr»  Dumffg  ihonght  the  i^i^  moved  for  by  the  honour- 
■^         able  General,  whensin  he  mov^  for  an  exception  relative  to 
bimfelf,  might  .^ave  a  dangerous  tendency.    It  might  fob- 
vert  ihe  firft  and  heft  iakv  of  ^r  kgiflaf^re,  <  Indeed  be 
lliwg^t  the  intention  of  the  hononraUe  Genera)  would  not 
be  anfvrered  in  its  adoption  :  for  the  term  of  iVliitation  vith 
reii^efk  to  tbeomtmy  bill  was  long  fince  expired  in   reipe^l 
to  the  capture  of  tjhe  honourable  general;  tbi^  happened  io 
xht  year  1777,  fo  that,  in  fa£t,  he  could  no  k>agpr  be  coafi* 
d^red  as  ameimUe  to  jnftice  tha^  ^ithin  the  firft  throe  years 
of  the  itibiequent  period*    But  as  the  hosoarahio  General 
had  coniidered  it  on  public  gr^uod,  he  tbonght  the  lar, 
before  it  was  fufiered  to  admit  of  this  alteratioii,  ihonld  UQ* 
dcrgo  a  moft  careful  revifioa.    If  it  was  then  found  defec> 
tive,  Ue  flionkl  himfelf  coac^^ir  with  the  mouon.    JBut  tbe 
motion  which  followed  that  of  his  honourable  friend  wa$  ex- 
ceed] Qgly  dangerous.     The  oQily  wiic  thing  in  the  mutiny 
bill  \\7i%,  as  he  thought,  tlie  jimitation  claufe. 
TbeAtt  r-       The  Jttorney  Genera!  then  ro\h  and  faid,  that  he  koew  cf 
rvj  Grae-   ^^  Inftancc  wliefcin  the  aft  of  limitation  was  even  extended 
to  a  criminal  procei's.    In  reipe^  to  petfuUie^,   fines,  ani 
nml^lsy  it  was  after  adopted  ;  ^-that,  m  trnthi  i(t  wcuU  be 
coutrary  to  the  ioiric  of  the  Ui'ft  iiHeniion  of  this  biU^  toad- 


A.  X7€a*  D    E.  B   A    T    E    S;  043 

mtt  ctf  did  cbuft  anil  txcejttioii  im  ftrcmr  of  th6  lioinoiiral^to 

Mr^  r.  Sita^lSaii  be^nt  tb«  attention  of  the  Houfe^  He  1^-  '^^r. 
aftaed^  didgeiitlemm  Temembcrtbt  Udgntgp  of  dien  in  of-  ^••™*~ 
ike  ivfaen  ms  iiOQOiiralbIc  frisnd  ivtuxwd  from  America  ? 

Dii  thcy^mnemboc  riiit  tkje  hciuamnblt  Gcttertl^  wlio  wtt 
now  moving fioT  tfaii  clteeption  in  tho  faill^  in  onder  to  obtnn 
a  ccfrnt^m^nhl  on  fait  towitlk^  was  then  told  that  he  fliouid 
be  tried'?  l%ey  wotld  tstk^  n.  %dal  cnni  k{wU  and  ample 
enqntfy  flioM  be  laacte.  uf  ins  ednduft ;  tbint  tbey:  kad  ex* 
preiftd:  ^  si^tht  ^vhsther  hk  hononiable  friend  lad  a  ri^  to 
appear  in  Ak  aflfcmbtjr  ?  Tbis  was  tbe  laagnage  of  v&x. 
N<^  when  bis  JioHoifrafafe  bmd  was  endeawluriiig  Jbo  ^k 
TtnimeSigaSMH imo bis condnd^  in  orier to  throw  off  tiuut 
odium  with  which  his  chafaAer  hsd  been  defamtd,  he  is 
told  tbac  his  inOtioH  iball  be  gtotitstUH-botwith  fucb  clogs  as 
muft  endanger  the  wdfero  uid  conduft  of  other  cdficecs* 
I'hoiB  his  bonouraUe  fdead  was  precluded  from  the  only 
means  df  wiping  off  tbattiaSMkr^  with.whids  the  bi.elingv 
of  govetmnent  \mt  paid' ti&  fully  the  bviUiancy  of  his  ao* 

The  Sulldior  Gemral  fiud^  that  be  -ooo&IeTed  the  motion  in  Solicitor 
itfelf  as  the  moft  unintcrefting  that  could  poiliblj  have  ea-  General, 
gaged  the  attention  of  that  Hoofe.  tndeed  be  conndered  that 
the  intention  of  the  honourable  General  ooaU  not  by  the 
adoption  6f  his  clatift  be  benefited  t  for  as  his  learned  friend 
r  Mr.  Dunning]  had  jodicioiiAy  obferved,  tbe  time  of  imita- 
tion with  refpeA  to  himf^tf  had  long  fince  expived.  If  the 
hOnourabk  General  had  meant  to^have  received  any  perfonat 
benefit  Irom  filch  an  exertion,  it  flionld  have  been  made 
within  the  t^me  of  limltalioa ;  for  now  be  mnft  be  confidered 
as  totally  eif^mpt  from  any  confequences  that  wocU  arife 
from  the  adoption  of  fueb  a  (daafe. 

The  hoiiotkrable  Oentnft  had  cortsplaiocd  .of  the  perfeca-* 
tton  be  had  received  from  tmnifters^  .  This  might  be  true. 
He  neither  could  nor  would  contradift  it.  However,  the 
mode  of  redrefs  he  had  pfeferibed,  was  now  beyond  the  power 
of  tha«  aA,  of  whkh  he  had  moved  for  an  exception  in  ^e- 
fpeft  to  hinf (bif  ( Lieutenant^^^aeral  Borgoyne). 

General  Ctmway  cotifidered  the  adoption  of  the  claufe  Gen.  Coo« 
might  milterially  affeA  the  intereftsof  rhe  ferrice.    Intruth^  ^'^* 
he  did  not  fto  it  nectiTary  to  effiouTe,  \vhen  he  confidered, 
that  it  was  merely  fo  clear  ^a  oharafier  wluch  muft  be  beyond 
the  reack  of  calumny.    Where^-he  the  honourable  General^ 



and*  ipotkBed  .b(  fuch  evidence  of  his  abrlit7:'S[Qd.^eribnaI 
bravery,  he  (hoald  confider  himfelf  free  from  every  flander- 
*/  oiis  afperiion  which  might  have  been  caft  invidibwy  on  his 
conda£t*  Surely  he .badfdfficidnt.rerources  of^jionourand: 
ipirit.ttot  to  require  the  adoption  of  an  exception  which  mi^ht 
aifTed  the  intereft  and  welfare  of  the  fervice  in  general.  : But 
while  he  faid  this,  he  ihuft  obferve^  that  he  thought  a*  learned 
'  gentlemen  [the  Solicitor  General]  had  treated  the  honour  of 
the  profeffioh  with  too  mudi  levity  :  he  thereforeihopedithat 
the  learned  gentlemen  would  ufe  more  refpeft'ai^  delicacy  to 
ihe  feelings  of  sL  man  of  honour*  It  was  not  an  unintereftiibg 
concern  for  a  man  to  be  jealous  of  preferving  the  purity  of 
hishohonr«  .•  It  was  the  effence  of  his  profeifion.  He  there- 
fore thought  the  learned  gentlemen  was  too  loofe  ia  his. re- 
fieftion.of  the  honourable  GeneraPs  motion.  -  '  .  ' 
HieSoiicU  Tht  SoScitor  General  rofetO' reply,  that  he  had  no  fuch 
tmCeae-  thoughts -as  prefeuting  to  the.Houfe  an  idea  of  the  triviality 
of  the  honourable  General's  honour  ;  nor  did  he  mean  jt  as 
any  rofIe£tion  againft  the  honour  bf  theprofciJiQa:  he  only 
meant  it  as  a  queftion  in  itfelf,.  not  with  any  reference  to  the 
honourable  General,  as  a  fubjeft  too  trifling  for  the  confider- 
ation  of  the  Houfe,  at  thisperiod  of  the  buunefs.  He,  tnere- 
fore,  wiflied  to  be  Underftood,  as  meaning  neither  a  perfonal ' 
refledion  on  Lieutenant-general  Burgoyne,  nor  any  reflec- 
tion on  the  honour  of  the  fervice.'  -  ♦ 
pen.  B«r-  Genend  Burgoyne  faid,  that  fince  it  was  the  general  fenfe 
Ijoyac.  ^f  jjjg  jjoufe^  x\kx  the  exception  refpefiihg  hiiiifelf  mi^t  af- 
fe£t  the  general  interefts  of  the  fervice,  he*  hegged  leave  to 
withdraw  his  motion.  But  this  he  mufl:  obferve,  rthat  flnce 
rainiftry  had  fo  repeatedly  tfaduced  his  cbara£ter^  he  aiked^ 
would  they  in  any  manner  produce  a  plan  whereia  an  enqui-^ 
ry  coukl  be  made  ?  If  they  would  not,  on  his  being  furnithed 
with  the  means,  with  their  leave^  he  would  himfelf  make  the . 
motion  for  them:l)ut  if  they  make  the  motion 
themfebt^s,  he  would  pledge  hinifclf  at  any  time  tp  fecond 
the  motion.  •       ,,  .   .  ' ' 

Col.  Bane.       Coloncl  'Barri  rofe  to  obferve,  that  he  tliotigKt  the  excep- . 
tioQ  in. favour  of  die  honourable  General  would  afFedt  the. 
general  interefts  of  the  fer.vice :  but  wh?n  he  con|idcred  the. 
refpe&ability^  the  gallant  and  brilliant  ferv ices  of  the  honour- 
able General,  he  muft  feel  >for.  him  as  a*nian.  of  honour,  a 
foldier,  and  a -gentleman.     He  faid>  in  refpe£t  to  the  limi- 
tatioaof  the  D^tiny  billj^*  in  his  opinion  itqould  have  in  no 
itiftance  iijefcrence  to -the  honourable  General's  condu£t. 


A.  r7«a.  &    E    B    A    T    K    S.  »45 

He  had  ntvev  Keard  of  a  gene^^l  commandirr  btiag  tridl  f<yr 
the  loft  of  an  army  or  a  battle.  I'odeed,  if  any  were  to  fee 
tried,  they  fhould  be  thofe  who  had  planned  the  oporations 
by  which  the  army  failed,  "^^j^  ^^^^9  *he  bonbUrabto  ge* 
nerals  who  had  fpoken  on  both  fides  the  Hovife,  were  more 
cooverfint  in  military  hiftory  than  himfi^lf ;  yJet  he  knew^ 
that  throughout  the  world  no  fuch  conduA  was  adopted' :  ia- 
deeci,  he  thought  fuch  a  condu^  a  fubverfion  of  national  in- 
tcreft ;  for  by  fiich  a  condud:  the  moft  glorious  fetvices  might 
be  loft  in  the  difmiffion  of  the  eommaHd^r  from  hi^  military 
employments.  '  He  inftanced  two  circumdances  fVom  the 
French  hiftory,  wherein  two  general  coramander$  had  beca 
isnfortunate,  who  afterwards  pcrforme<i  the  moft  gloriouft 
and  brilliant  fervices.  But  in  regard  to  the  military  cba« 
rafter  of  the  honourable  Geiteral^  he  moft  feel  for  him  at 
the  man,  the  gentleman,  and  the  fold'ieir.  It  was  his  honour 
and  refpeft  for  the  fervice,  of  which  he  had  been 'a  member^ 
and  at  the  fame  time  confeiTed  not  to  have  ehjidyed'a  vei^y- 
high  ftation,  that  made  him  confider  the  exception  m  regard 
ro  the  honourable  General  as  not  fo  political :  but  yet  he 
could  not  help  thinking  he  ftood^n  a  predicament  which  ap- 
peared inconiiftent  with  the  hoAour  his  brilliant  adlioiis  had 
deferved.  He  did  not  fay.  this  from  pcrfonal  amity  ;  for 
he  had  not  the  honour  of  hi$  acquaintance  :  ihovipi  ffoih  - 
every  thing  he  had  heard  that  related  to  the  honourable  Ge- 
neral, his  friendlhip  was  fuch  as  every  one  muft  defire  to 
enjoy.  He  confeffed,  that  althoi^h  he  had  on  many  occa^ 
fions  dlffe^-ed  from  the  honourable  General,  in  political  as 
well  as  profcilional  matters,  yet,  in  the  prefent  inftance,  be 
muft  fo  far  efpoufe  his  caufe,  as  to  obferve,  that  he  was  in  a 
iituation  by  no  means  becoming  his  dignity^  charafter^  ho- 
nour, or  defert.  0 

Mr,  Fox  faid,  that  his  honourable  friend  [General  Bur-  Mr,  Fox. 
gcyne];  was  not  to  have  a  trial,  becaufe  it  would  clear  htm 
from  the  afpcrfions  of  the  miniftry.  They  had  retained  hiaa 
a  prifoner  to  prevent  his  being  amenable  to  a  couit-martiaL 
Notwithftanding  a  requifition  of  Congrefs  was  made  for  his 
exchange,  it  would  appear  from  the  papers  on  the. table,  that 
the  objeftion  of  his  exchange  was  m^e  here :  thatev^ry  other 
officer  contained  in  that  convention  was  C3tthai^d»  His 
honourable  friend  was,  therefore,  not  a  prifoner  to  Congrefip 
but  a  prifoner  to  the  miniftry.  Why  ?  Becaufe  he  wo\^d 
not' impeach  any  officers  concerned  with  him  as  the  occalion 

Vol.  VL  Kk  pf 

a46  PARLI  AMENT,AR.Y,  A.  jvSj, 

of  tbe  jiail^re.  His  mind  was  too  noble  for  the  fervices  re- 
quired by  the  wretched  promoters  of  the  pYefent  fyftem- 
Mr.  Burke.  ^^4  Burke  fpoke  again  of  General  Arnql^*  He  faid  he  was 
a  brave  landv^llant.  officer  ;  but  that  the  breach  of  his  truft 
at  Weft-Point  was  not  the  bright  part  of  his  chara&er. 
Xhi^  he  tnight  venture  to  fay^  either  as  a  member  of  Coo- 
grefs,  if. he  bad  that  honour,  or  a  Britifti  fonator*  He  had 
.no  objeftion  that  General  Arnold  fhould  be  ao:iply  rewarded 
:in  a  pecuniary  way  ;  that  he  ihould  have  his  nacpe  on  that 
lift  which  the  Houfe  could  never  fee  ;  but  he  vyould  never  ap- 
;prove  his  rife  Ji?  the  mi4itary  line.  As  a  moinl>er  of  Parlia- 
iinent,  he  might  perhaps  wilh,,  that  Charles  Thompfon,  ibc 
.'ftcrctary  to  the  Congrcfs,  fhould  betray  the  fecrets  of  the 
-Congrefs,.  and  he  would  reward  him  for  it ;  but  he  would 
•never  confek^t  that  fiKh  a  ma^  ihould  be  a,  f^cretary  of  ftate 
.in  EngUod,.  or  haveit  in  his  power  to  betray,  any  more  fecrets 
,of  ftate  :  the  fame  principle  would  hold  good  in  tbe  cafe  of 
iGener^l  Arnold* 

'^  At  kngrh  it  appearing  that  the  GenerarscUufe.  was  not 
legally  copipetent  to  the  end  he  propofed,  and  that  it  might 
othcrwife  affcft  a  number  of  others  in  the  fapie  predicament, 
he  confcinted  to  withdraw  it;  calling  at  the  fame  time  upon 
adu)iniftf:%tion  to  bring  in  ^,  bill,  if  that  wa^  the  moft  proper 
fnethod)'  giving  him  the  liberty  of  calling  for  a  court-mar- 
tial, and  gjying  that  fatisfa£lion  toliis  honoi^r  andhis  feel- 
.  ings  which  they  demanded. 

This  palling  fubJtUntioy  and  the  Secretary  at  War  with- 
drawing his  claufe,  the  committee  went  through  the  remain- 
der of  the  bill,  and  foon  after  adjourned. 

February  20. 

Mr.  Fox.     ^  jlV^r-  Fox  rofe  to  call  the  attention  of  the  Houfe  to  a  mo- 
tion which  he  had  intimated  againft  the  Admiralty -board; 
but  be  would  not  trouble  the  Houfe,  he  faid,   with  all  the 
/arguments  that  had  been  fo  w^U  and  accurately  ftated  by  ma- 
ny gentlemen  in  the  committee,  rcfpcQing  the  moft  fhamc- 
ful  manner  in  which  our  naval  affairs  had  been  conduced  cf 
late  years,  for  he  faw  no  reafon  for  it ;  every  thing  that  mi- 
•  tiifters  had  advanced  in  favour  of  Lord  Sandwich  had  been 
.  fo  ably  anfwcred,  that  he  was  confident  every  gentlepnan  ^a$ 
fatis^ed  'in  his  own  mind,    and  he  trufted  that  there  were 
fcarce  two.,  opinions  in  the  Houfe.     The  very  refpe&abl: 
numbisr  (hat.  divided  on  this  motion  in  the  committee,  al- 
though not  fuccefsfuly  woujd^  in  any  other  adminiftration 
'  *  *  but 


A4ri7B2i  I>  E    B    A    T    fe'  S.     -  '•  '     H7 

»  •  .  -  .  . 

but  the  prefent,  have  beeli  lopkcd  upon  a^  a  Eqajorify^  for  it 
Certainly  contained  the  voice  of  the  people ;  and  tlO'  rhinifter, 
but  the  pVefcritj^  would  think  of  continoiing  a  man  In  office 
that  the  voice  of  the  people  was  fo  tnUtH  agaiiift,  andwitii^o* 
muchjuftice.-  'He  had  been  irifWrriielJ,  he'faid,  but  df  the 
Houfc,  that  many  geritlemen  wbuld  have  voted  with  him  in 
th®^  coihmittee^  -but  his  dechratioh  of' following  up'^his'rao- 
t?drt,  if  fticc^fsful,  for  the  difmiffibn  and  puriifhment  o^  Lord 
San3wi<fh,  had'deterred  them  ;  riow  he  hoped  no  gentlertleti 
would  miftake  him,  for  they  were,  all  diflferetit  and<liftinft 
propofltibns ;  they  might  vote  for  one,  and  rcjeft  the  other : 
but  he  beggetl  leave  to  cauticJn- them  againft  befng -lulled 
into  a  belief  of -redrcfs  ;  for  a  report  h|id  been  induftrioufly 
l]3read,  that  Lbrd  Sandwich  Was  to -retire  ;  that  report  was 
th^rtefore  carcnlated  merely  to  fcrye  the  particular  purpofe  of 
the  day  4  and  throw  gentlemen  off  their  guard  t  but  whatfoith     • 
cr- belief  was  to  be  put  in  the  tniniflcr*s  pi-omifc  wis  plainly 
to  be  feen  by  his  f  ormer  conduft.     At  thcfirft  of -this  i^ffion 
he  proinifed  that  the  American  war  fhould  be  condufled  on 
a  narroweir  compafi^  ahd  that  it  was  to  be  a  war  of  polls  ;  but 
ifo  fooncr  was  his  end  anfwered,  and  the  fupplies  voted^  than 
ht  changed  hi^  tone,  slnd  that  brave;  gallant,  and  judicious 
officer,  Sir  OuyCiarleton,  was  appointed  to  carry  on  that  war : 
to  be  fure,  to  appeafe  the  pebjilcj  one  of  the  chief  leaders  of 
that  war  had  b(5cn  removed  ;  but  what  was  the  cori&quence  of 
his  removal }  a  perfon  was  appointed  in  his  Head  who  ^as  a 
knowh  friend  to  the  Americah  war;  and  a  ftaurich.  fiSpfffbrter 
of  it  ever  fince  it  firft  began*     Therefore^  as'  we.  found  the 
miniftcr's  promife  Was  nbt  to  be  relied  on,  we  fhbutd  hot  let 
the  opporturiity  flipj  but  vyhile  we  had  it  in  our  power  we 
ought  to  have  exerted  ourfelves  in  doing  our  cguritry' that 
juftice  which  it  loudly  called  for.     He  begged  gentlemisn  not 
to  imagine  that  his  proceeding  in  this  byfinefs  wasih  any 
fhape  perfonal  againft  the  noble  Lord  who  was  at  the  Head  of 
the  Adihiraltyj  nor  that  it  tended  tb  any  criminal  proceed- 
ing.    He  had  nothing  to  fay  to  the  Earl  of  Sandwich  j  it 
was  to  the  board  of  admiralty  ;  and  gentlemen  ougiit  not  to- 
be  induced  from  perfonal  regard  to  that  noble  Lord  to  fail  in 
the  execution  of  their  public  duty.  ■  He  therefore  hoped 
€very  gentleman  would  lay  bis  hand  upon  his  he^rt,   and  he 
wis  then  confident  they  muft  be  of  his  opinion,  and  would  ' 
votci  for  what  he  fhould  then  move,  \\t,  *'  That  it  appears 
to,  this  Houfe,  that  ther^has  been  great  mifmanagement  in 
his  Majefty*s  naval  affairs  in  the  year  1 78 1.  .  -       ^ 

K  k  ^  Mr. 

a4S  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  ^782. 

Mr*  Pitt  fecofided  the  motion, 
£irl  No.        £arl  JNugifit  !kid,  tie  ihould  rife  to  oppoTe  l^e  motioD,  as 
^^^'         hfi  was  coa£df  nt  the  Houfe  was  not  competent  to  judge  upon 
diequeftion ;  it  was  a  profeflional  queftlon,  aod  turned  upon 
.    our  naval  aiiairs  in  one  .particular  year,  which  the  honour- 
able gentleman  had  thought  proper  tofeUA  out  from  ait 
others^  as  the  moft  applicabde  to  his  purpofe.     The  motioOy 
he  faid^  cooipr^ended  two  queftions  ;  frrft^  had  th^re  been 
negle£l  in  not  procuring  a  navy  equal  to  what  we  ought  to 
have )  And  next,  was  that  navy  employed  as  it  ought  to  be  ^ 
With  reijpeft  to  the  firft  qucftioA,  he  truiled  there  was  no 
immediate  proof  before  the  Houfe,  but  that  our  navy  was 
Superior  to  what  it  ever  had  been  in  any  fosmer  reiga  ;  but 
'  we  had  a  much  gxeatex  foe  to  contend  with^  the  whole  lioufe 
of  Bourbon*    Holland  and  America  were'  war  with  us, 
and  it  feeancd  to  be  a  torn  in  politics.   They  had  not  proof  of 

Silk  before  diem  ;  and  therefore  not  being  able  to  condemn, 
ey  muft  acquit*  [A  loud  laugh.3  Qentlesnea  might 
laugh  ;  but  this  was  the  humanity  of  the  law  of  England* 
With  reQ>eft  to  the  fiecond  qucftion,  whether  the  navy  had 
been  exerted  to  Its  utmoiji;,  he  trufted  it-had,  and  he  was 
certain  no  proof  by  the  .papers  on  the  taUe  :y>peared  to  the 
contrary )  but  he  was  l^ree  to  confefs,  that  there  was  a  want 
<pf  unanimity*  The  navy  was  dlftra^ed,  )nany<of  our  mo& 
able  officers  were  not  employed;  this  ardfe  from  private 
pique,  which  he  moft  fincerely  aiid  heartily  hoped  every 
perfon  would  totally  diveft  himfelf  of,  and  not  think  of  Lord 
Sandwich  ;  let  them  weigh  well  all  -the  iervices  which  bad 
been  performed  for  a  feries  of  years  in  the  navy,  and  then 
fay,  whether  they  could  vote  for  the  prefent  queftion  ;  let 
them  recoiled:  that  the  noble  Lord  had  filled  the  .ftore« 
lioufes  qf  tngland  at  a  time  when  they,  were  perfe&ly  emp- 
ty^ that  he  had  broken  afunder  a  combination  of  the  w%>sk- 
inen  in  the  yard  ;  and  that  he  had  in  a  thouiand  inftaaoes 
difplayed  the  uuuoft  vigilance  and  a£livity«  He  'begged 
them  alfo  to  recoiled,  that  they  were  not  competent  tode- 
cide  upon  it,  he  would  again  ailert,  for  they  were  not  judges 
of  faSs  in  naval  affairs ;  yet  they  were  called  on  to  ^dc- 
cide  and  judge  a  man's  actions,  or  which  the^  were  total 
Gen.  Con*  General  Comv^y  faid,  he  rofe  to  give  his  hearty  aflent  to 
^«y*  th^  motion,  as  he  was  convinced  of  its  being  founded  on  the 

ftriaeft  principles  of  truth ;  that  our  naval  tranftdions  of 
the  laft  year  were  difgraceful,  was  beyond  a'doubu     We 


A-  I7«2^  DEBATES  ^4^ 

were  faUeh  from  that  pitch  of  greatnefs  which  a  wi£e  adu^- 
jaiftration  ha4  brought  us  iiat;o,  into  the  moft  pr6found  coa-^ 
tempt,  and  were  become  the  fcorn  and  nidicule  of  all  foreigci 
powers.    To  cQipplaio  that  we  had  a  greater  foe  to  conteod 
widi  than  in  any  other  former  war  was  fayiog  nothing ;  for 
why  had  we  pr^i^cipitated  oarfetves  into  the  war  }  Had  oi-* 
nifters  not  been  apprifed  that  it  would  be  fo  ?  Had  not  gen-  . 
tlemen  told  them  what  would  happen  i  In  ihort^  c<M2ld  anf  ,^ 
perfons,  but  thofe  who  wiOied  to  fhut  their  eyes^  not  fee, 
that  in  pur  w^r  with  America  we  fhodd  draw  on  us  fthc 
houfe  of  Bourbon,  who  would  by  our  quarrel  extend  her 
trade  as  fhe  diminilhed  ours  ?  But  adminiftration  were  de^^ 
termined  not  to  fe^,.  or  if  thK^y  did,  they  were  deterpHoed  not     ^ 
to  profit  by  what  they  &Lw.    They  had  been  guilty  of  delu-* 
fion  to  the  pepple ;  they  bad  firit  promifed  that  America 
ffaould  not  be  taxed^  and  dire£tly  began  to  tax  her;  they 
next,    to  gulL  the  country  gentlemen,    declared  Amerioi 
ihould  be  taxed,  but  immediately  dropped  it :  thus  they  de-* 
ceived  the  people,  and  endeavoured  to  carry  on  a  w^r  which^ 
in  every  point  of  view,  muft  from  its  extent  be  the  ruin  of 
this  country.    To  fubdue  three  millions  of  people  at  a  dit 
tance  of  three  thoufand  miles,  was  what  would  take  up  t]^ 
whole  of  .our.  navy,  without  being  .at  war  with  fo  mai^ 
other  foes.    The  noble  Lord  who  fpoke  laft  had  faid,  there' 
V9ZS  ar  want  of  unanimity,  and  that  in  fhort  was  the  cry  of 
all  the  minifter's  friends.    What  unanimity,  in  the  name  of 
Heaven,  did  tbey  want?  Had  they  not  all  the  money  they 
aiked  for?  fU,d  they  not  all  the  force  of  the  kingdom? 
Had  they  not  ^very  thing  that  could  be  wifhed  ?  Then  furc- 
ly  they  had  un;^Qimhy  as  far  as  it  could'  be  granted*    But 
xould  any  m^f^  teU  him,  that,  where  minifters  were  purfuing 
ruinous  and  deftru£live  meafures,  that  the  people  mould  be  . 
unanimous  with  them  ?  Surely  not.     With  regard  tp  our 
navy  beiog  diftrafted^.  who  had  cauied  that  dift|ra£Uon> 
Why>  the  Fir  ft  Lord  of  the  Admiralty.     Certainly  then  he 
was  a  fit  perfon  to  l^  difmifled.    With  refpef):  to  divefting 
bimfelf  of  any  perfonal  pique,  he  could  not  fay  there  was 
occafion  for  i|,  for  be  owed  him  none  :  but,  on  the  other 
hand,  he  w^staufght  to  look  up  to  him  withrefpe^V,  as  a 
perfpa  upon  whom  his  Majefty  had  heaped^  in.the  moft  uq-* 
limitted  manner,  favours;  yet  was  that  a  ireaibn  why  he 
fhoold  not  pronounce  him  guilty  when  he  tbou^t  him  fo.r  . 
It  .was  nQt  now  a  queftion,  whether  Lord  Sandwich  fhould 
lofe  h^s  place;,  but  whether  the  public  iatereft  (hould  be  fa- 
crificed  to  condnue  him  in  office  ?  With  refpeft  to  the  mi* 


Itga  P  A  R  L  I  A  ME  ^  T  A  R'Y  A.  1781; 

mftcr  breaking- his  promife,  that  was  evident  for  his  favourite 
war,  which  he  never  coiild*  find*  a  name  for,-  and  the  rcafoif 
for  which  was  obvious ;  for  had  he  done  fb,-  he  would  have 
been  tied  down  to  that;  but  hot  having  named  it^  hctirasat 
liberty,  after  having  got  the  fupplies'i  to  Coiftiriue  fn  what 
manner  he  plcafed,  and- that  it  wai  ttiearftto  be  continued 
with  vigour,  he  Was  cohiident,  from  the  appoititnrieftt  of  that 
briHrant  commahder.  Sir  Guy  Carleton,  who,  he  was  furc, 
wbtild  riot  btf  an  idle  commaDder;  hfe  vtould  hot  carry  on  a 
defenfive  war,  a  war  of  pofts;  no,  his  fpirit  was  too  wel! 
known,  and  he  fliould  glory  to  fee  him  engaged  in  any  other 
fervice  than  the  prefent,' 

But  to  return  to  theq^ueftibn,  there  \its  a  fharacful  neglcft 
in  the.  Admiralty  Board ;  he  had,  himfelf,  in  his  official  ca- 
pacity as  Governor  of  Jerfey,  applied  for  a  fmall  naval  force, 
not  always  to  be  ftationed  off  that  iiflahd,  but  occafibnally  to 
fliew  their  face  there.- — ^That  would  undoubtedly  have  pre- 
vented the  attack  which  had  hearly,  owing  to  accident,  been 
likely  to  prove  fatal  to  the  ifland.  It  was  a  well  known  fafi, 
he  faid,  that  large  fleets  Would,  under  the  convoy  of  only  a 
frigate,  and  fometimes  only  a  cutter,  anchor  in  fight  of  the 
ifland,  and  lay  there  twenty-four  hours,  which  would  be 
prevented,  was  ever  fo  fmall  a  naval  force  kept  there.  He 
begged  leave  to  mention  one  more  circumftance  before  he  fat 
iloWn,  which  was,  that  by  accident  he  had  becon^c  poffcffed 
of  the  journal  of  De  Graffe's  fleet,  which  plainly  made  it 
appear,  that  the  weather,  when  he-  failed, 'was  perfcflly 
calm  and  ferene;  that  he  proceeded  unmoiefted;  that  his 
force  confifted  of  25  fail  of  the  line,  with  180  tranfports, 
befides  feveral  fhips  armed  enjiuu.;  that  one  of  his  convof 
was  fo  bad  a  faUer,  that  he  was  obliged,  in  the  Villcde 
Paris,  to  tow  her  along ;  and  owing  to  many  others  of  his 
fleet  being  fluggifli  flips,  he.  was  a  confiderablc  time  making 
hisvoyage,  '1  hercfore  the  Admiraly,  having  let  him  % 
by,  might  have  gone  after  himj  and  with  clean  fliips  arrived 
before  him.  They  ought  to  have  made. the  relief  of  Gibral- 
tar a  fecondary  objeft ;  and  by  intercepting  that  fleet,  hare 
faved  the  Weft:- Indies.  Again,  with  teipeft  to  Admiral 
Kempenfelt's  fleet,  was  it  not  a  fhamcful  negleft  to  fendfo 
inadequate  a  number  of  fhips?  was  not  all  this  negleft ;  aini 
vnder  thofe  heads  were  not  the  noble  Lord's  divifions  of  the 
queftion  both  ahfwered?' There  had  neither  been' fbrcfighiJ 
in  the  preparation  of  fleets,  nor  wifdom  in  the  dircftion  oi 
|hem*    Had  his  father^  his  brother,  hU  Ion,  or  thfc  dcaKft 


A,v^^.  -    D    E    B- A    T    E    S!-:  zSf^ 

»  '»' 


reiaiiQ(xJie.J;^ad,.  bpen'guiLty,[^^lvabgfe  to,?i  fta-^  as  Lord 
Sandwich  had,  he  would  frcelV' give  him  up,  and -ftqt  think      • 
hijTifclf  junfi^ili^J^ff'^defendfi^^  W  ,  .     ,...,     . 

...  Lord  Ji^ifigravf  fafd,  he  was  furprlfed  Xo  find,  after  fo  late  LorfMJ- 
and  honbuuahle  a.  diyifion  in'  favpvif  of  .the  Admiralty  tad  ^**** 
paffed  in'a/c9mrpi^t^ee,  ,that  ji>p",fam<e  quqftion  fhould .1^. urged  . 
again  In  the  Hpufe;  hp  wag  llkewif?  lurprifed  to  hear  geiitlo- 
jnen  fay,  that  wc  "^cre  become  th.e  fcoro  and  Vidijculc  of  (b- 
.vXei^n  .powers,;  In,,his.opJinlon,  jhe  rj^.verfe  was  the  faft:  he 
believed,  that  from  cmr  great^xcrtions  againft  fo^powerful 
an  eneVny^  all  nations 'looked  oo  u^  with,  an  eyp  of  admira- 
tion and  envjr;  .they  envied  our  ftreqgth.  The  finft  Lord^bf 
the  Admiralty  hadj  by  meritorious  a^s^  prcfourid forejight^  znA, 
unremitting .Sligmcey  procured  a. greater  quantity  of  tiniber 
and  naval  ftores  than  were  #per  in  our  yards  at  any  one  pc- 
rrodb^for^;  jchatwith  refpeft  to  the  not  feqding  Admiral 
parby^  to  cruife  off  Breft,  for  Dc  Graffe,  he  had  before  jn 
jhe  committee  declared,  it  was  highly  irp politic  j'^'he,  ^i{l 
thought  1q»  and  ^lvvay&.{hQUld« .  The  objeft  Admiral  Darby  pcrfpfip'^  V^as  of*  grater qbttfe<)uence,.vi7,,tb^  relief 
pf  Gibraltar;  that  he  had  perforped,  and  the  iiiee ting  of  De 
,  Grade  woul^  l^ayp  at  beft  beeo.only  prptilcmaticalV^whpreas 
Darby^s  failing  to  Gibraltar "  had  tvyo  views  to  anfwer,  to 
fight  the  SpaniiH  fleet,  and  relieve,  the  garriron,.,a§  It  was 
fpppofed  the  Spaniards  meant  tp  difpiite  the  mputh.  of  the 
Straits.  The  afFaiVof  Admiral  Darby's  return  into  port, 
\and  tl;ie  letter,  vyrote  tp  the  Mayor  of  Pfifl:ol,''Tie  Ibould  fay 
but  little  abpi?t,  th?y  did  nbVd^^fcry.e  any  comment;  fucii 
orders  were' given  as  proved  and  juftified  the  event  j  and  fo 
near  does  it  appear  was  Admiral  Darby's  fquadron,  which  he 
left  to  cruiae^  lor  the  protection  of  the  liuftatia  fleet,  with 
falling  in  with  that  convoy,  that  one  of  his  fhips  did  aftually 
fall  in  and  engage  with  a  part  of  them.  The  next  charge 
he  meant  to  defend,  was,  fending,  put  Admiral  Kempenfelt 
with  pnly  12  thips  that  were"  residy  ;  and'  had  he  waited 
Jonger  for  a  reinforcement,  he  would  have. been  too  late,  for 
he.juft.fell'in  vvith  them  as  they  were  proceeding,  and  be 
trufted  had  defeated  their  purpofe.  It  had  been  \trged,  why 
did  not  the  Adniffalty  let  ibme  fhips  cruize  off  Jerfey  ?  The 
rcafon  was,  that  it  was  fo  near  Breft,  the  French  could  al- 
ways fend  a  fupefior  force  to  what  we  had,  and  therefore  no 
good  could  enfue*  He  concluded  his  fpeech  with  paying  the 
Firft  Lord  of  the  Admiralty  fome.vcry  high  compliments.-— 
During  the  whole  of  his  adminiftration,  he  had  diftinguilhed 


ip  PARLIAMENTARY  Al  1782, 

himfelf  for  his  prudent  fotcfigtit;,  his  unwearied  attention, 
and  his  vigorous  exertion.  That  in  particular  he  had  repaired 
147  (hips  during  the  ei^t  years  that  he  had  prefided  at  the 
Admiralty  Board^  whereat  npt  half  that  number  had  been 
repaired  during  the  fixteen  years  that  preceded  that  period. 

SirHoract  Sir  Horace  Mann  would  by  np  meaos  alfoW,  that  bur  navy 
**"*  .  had  been  exerted  to  its  utmoft,  if  it  had,  it  muft  have  (hewn 
itfelf  in  a  different  manner;  he  contended  that  we  were  every 
where di&raced,  and  he  could  not,  with  an  honeft  face,  goto 
his  conftjtuents,  did  he  not  votti  for  what  was  fb  plain  to  every 
perfon  that  would  take  the  leaft  trouble  to  look  into  the  pa- 
pers on  the  table.  He  had  lately  come  from  the  continent, 
and  that  it  was  the  univerfal  language  there^  that  our  nary 
was  badly  condufled ;  and  he  <moted  a  remark  that  had  been 
made  by  an  imperial  officer. 

Mr.  Wm.        MufVitllapt  Pitt  rofe,  and  after  apologizing  to  the  Houfe 
fortrbubling  them  upon  a  bufinefs  that  had  ^en  the  other 
evening  fo  ably  difcuffed;  faic(,  he  could  not  help,  declaring, 
,  that  While  fuch  glaring  pfooft  aj)pe^^  papers  then 

on  the  table,  of  the  ihamefui  miilnanageiment  of  the  naval 
affairs,  it  was  difgraceful  to  donti^nue  a  ntan  in  office  that  had 
been  the.  author  of  thofe  ^lifgraces.     There  had  been  fufScieot 
time,  bj  the  intelligence  they  'Jiad  received,  to   counteraft 
JDe  GrdTtfs  delign,  and  defeat  the  end  he  was  fent  foi-^  which 
had  proved  fo  difaftrous  to  this  country;  for  the  army  he 
carried  had  beeui  the  means  oi  capturing  the  army  under  the 
l^rave  Cornwallis;  but  we  had  got  quite  familiar  to  lofing 
armies  by  wholefale,  and  to  dilgraces  in'  every  quarter.     He 
laid'  his  hand  upon  his  heart,  and  declared,  that  he  thought 
the  whole  of  the  propofition  fnlly,  clearly,  and  exprelsly 
proved.   He  had  no  perfonal  pique  againft  the  noble  Lord ;  and 
he  was  affured,  that  if  gentlemen  were  tb'^eak  their  genuine 
fentiments,  they  would  all  confefs  with  him  the  truth  of  the 
propofition  now  before  the  Houfe     With  refpeft  to  Admi- 
ral Kiempenfelt's  failing  with  12  fliips  only,  it  was  a  meafure 
in  which  the  Admiralty  Were  highly  culpable,  as  there  ap* 
peared, 'by  the  retiirns  from  the  different  potts,  that  there 
Vrere  three  ihips  at  Spithead  ready  for  fea,  at  .the  fame  time 
that  Admiral  Kempenfelt  failed,  which  would  have  made 
him  more  equal  to  rifle  a  battle.    The  taking  the  tranfports 
Was  a  mere  matter  of  chance,  s(nd   added  nothing  to  the 
credit  of  the   Admiralty.    The  difgraceful,    but  ncccffary 
flight  of  Admiral  Darby  from  the  combined  ffeets,  would  for 
ever  be  a  flain  on  (his  country  *  and  the  conduft  of  the  Ad- 

'^  sniralty 

A-:  1782I  DEBATES.;'  «if3 

miralty,  ia  dllbelieviog  the  adviceiof  their  own  Acfeiir^l,  was 
bne  cf  the  gvcateft  infults  they  could  have  ofFercd.  . 

'the  L7td  jfchocau  got  up  in  much  warmth,  and  fec'mcd  '^^*  ^^'^ 
furprifed  to  hear  gentlemen  argue  againft  what  lie  called  T^**** 
fa£is:  he  w^s  called  on,  he  faid,  to  vote  in  the  Igtnp  tor  z 
>vhole  mafs  of  matter,  nothing  of  whFch  had  betn  proved^ 
he  denied  tkat  any  paper  tkat  lay  on  the  tabU,  juftified  the 
ipotion ;  the  bfxncajrable  gentleman  that  made  it,^  and  the  reft 
that  followed  him^  feciped  particularly  happy  to  argue  from 
events,  after  ,tlifiy  had  happened,  a^d which ^  probably,  it 
was  out  of  the  power  of  hunnan  Wifdom  to  fbrei^-,  he  wafc 
coniid^nt  that  all  the. Daval  force  of  this  country  had  beea 
applied  as  well  as.  poffible,  and  bad  Admir^il  Darby  cruized 
offBreftj  GrafTe,  the  honourable  gen- 
tleman who  made  the  motion^  wouW  direfily  have  cried  out^ 
what  bufincfe  had  he  th^re,  why  was  he  not  at  Gibraltar? 
Vvas  not  that  of  more  confequ^ce  ?  And  he  was  JMAified  in 
his  opinion  about  Admiral  ISlempenfelt  from  very  high  au- 
thority; for  In  a  Converfation  with  Capt.  Adam  Duncan  on 
the  propriety  or  imprppriety,  of  Admiral  Keii5p<?iU"slt  being.  •  • 

reinforced  .by  Admiral  Rodney^*  the  tajxtain  had  declared, 
that  had  Ro^riey  been,  fent  out,  it  would  have. been  highly 
impolitic,  as .his-fhips  might  have  been  crippled,  aiKJ  the ob«- 
jeft  of  his'  vAyage  rendered  ufelcfs.  He  was  xjof,  he  faid, 
any  of  thofc  perfons  tliat  would  hang  his  father  or.  his  fop, 
though,  thank,  God,  Lord  Sandwich  was  not  his  fath&r;  but 
if  he  was,  on  the  pvpfent  occafioa,  he  (liould  think  .him  per*' 
Jefkly  innocejnt  of  what  was  laid  tp  hi$  charge,    •  , 

"Lord  Howe  cqmpUined  of  :the  fliameful  increafe  of  thfe  LordH^jwe* 
navy  eftiqiatcs;  they  had  regubrly,  he  faid,  incrcafed  from 
year  to  .y?ar,  yit  our  navy  had  not  rifen  '  in  proportion,  but 
quite  the.  contrary.  He  faid,  that  there  might  haye  been 
confid^ra-ble  iavjngs  made  out  of  the  number  of  leanv^n  voted 
each  year  for  fome' years  paft;  not  lefs,  he  faid,  *ban  four 
rivUions,  and.Ke  aitertcd,  that  fifteen  or  twenty  iliips  of  the 
.line  might  have  been  built  \vitli\hat  fum.  The  noble  Lord 
(Mulgravc)  had,  on  a  former  occafion,  faid  it  was  dangerous 
to  cruife  on^  or  look  into  Breft ;  he  was  by  no  means  of  that 
opinip.n,  for  the  wind  that  was  fair  to  look  into  B reft,  vvas 
fair  for  the  enemy  to  come  our,  and  under  a  judicious  com-  » 

niandej  they  might  manoeuvre  a  fleet  off  there,  as  near  their 
'guns  as  they  thought  fit.     Admiral  Darby,  be  maintained, 
might  certainly  have  cruized  to  intercept  De  Graffe;  or  if 
that  was  not  expedient,  there  was  fui&cicnt  notice  for  him  to 

Vol.  VI;  LI  have        ..        d 

254  PARLIAMENTARY.  A.  178a. 

have  &\\ci  much  fooner  than  be  did,  aird  after  he  had  re- 
lieved Gibraltar,  he  might  have  difpatched  a  part  of  his  fleet 
to  the  Weft.  Indies  or  North  America,  which  could  have  ar- 
rived time  enough  to  prevent  De  GrafTe  from  doing  as  he 
did.  At  the  time  Admiral  Kempcnfelt  failed,  there  was  un- 
doubtedly, as  the  hon.  gentleman  (Mr.  Pitt)  had  faid,  three 
ihips  ready  at  Spithead,  and  feveral  more  ready  at  difFercnt 
ports,  that  might  have  failed  with  him.  He  would  not  with- 
out thefulleft  conviftion  take  upbn.him  to  fiy  they  were  vic- 
tualled for  the  £aft-Indies,  but  they  certainly  were  viSualled 
enough  for  the  purpofe  of  a  (hqrt  cruize;  and  altBouga  the 
affair  of  Admiral  Kempenfelt's  had  proved  ^rtunate,  yet,  bj 
the  Admiral's  own  letter,  (an  extra£b  of  which  he  read)  it 
might  have  prt>ved  quite  otherwifc ;  for  had  not  De  Giiichen's 
motive  been  to  proceed  on,  he  had  it  in  his.power,  moft  pro- 
bably, to  cot  off  the  rear  of  Admiral  Kempenfelt's  iqaadroo. 
On  the  whole^  he  was  thoroughly  of  opinion,'  jthat  the  mo- 
tion ought  to  pafs,  and  not  any  refpeA  be  p4;id  to  Lord  Sand- 

Mr.  Dun-       Mr.  JDunning  got  up,  and*  paTd  great  cotppliments  to  Mr. 

'*'  Pitt,  as  a  moft  furprifing  man  of  his  age,  and  then*  in  a  very 

fineftrain  of  irony,  played  upon  Lord  Mulgrave's  wqrdsof 
^^  meritorious  aas,  profound  wifdom,  and  unremitting  di- 
ligence:'' to  be  fure,  he  faid,  the  naval,  campaigns,  lince 
Lord  Sandwich  prefidcd  at  the  Adnriiralty,  had  proved  it; 
and  no  perfon,  he  fuppofed,  wt>uld  doubt  or.  deny,  that  the 
iiourifiimg  ftate  we  were  in  muft  make  us  th^  glory  and  envj 
of  all  foreign  ftates.  He  never  had  afpired,  himfelf,  to  make 
his  fortufie  in  the  naval  line;  he  never  meant  to  climb  ia 
that  profeiCon ;  yet,  he  muft  now  fay,  that  fo  far  was  he 
from  thinking  with  Lord  Nugent,  .that  the  Houfe  was  cer- 
tainly not  altogether  competent  to  judge  in  this  affair,  be  was 
of  opinion,  that  it  was  the  moft  plain,  iimple  fa£t  to  judge 
on;  and,  at  the  fame  time,  one  of  ^he  moft  capital  queftioDs 
that  was  ever  agitated  in  Parliament.  A  learned  Lord  (Ad- 
vocate) who  had  fpoke  in  the  debate,  had  faid,  **  We  were 
compelled  to  judge  of  a  whole  mafs  of  ms^tter  in  a-  lump.^ 
Certainly  if  it  appeared  that  any  of  the  propoiitions  alledged 
againft  Lord  Sandwich  were  believed,  no  man  could  hefitate 
to  vote  for  the  queftion  ;  for  it  muft  then  appear  there  had 
been  mifmanagement.  The  noble  Lord  in  the  blue  ribbon, 
on  the  former  debate,  had  complained  that  Lord  Sandwich 
was  not  treated  fair,  and  that  the  (jucftion  was  on  too  nanov 
a  fcale,  and  that  the  committee  ought  tp  eoquUe  into  the 


A.i78a.  D    E    B    A    T    E    S.  255 

whole  of  his  conduft ;  furely  that  argument  xnuft  defeat  it* 
&If;  for  even  fuppoiing,  what  he  was  confident  no  man  would 
allow,  that  the  firfk  eight  or  nine  years  of  Lord  Sandwich's 
adminifiration  were  free  from  error,  certainly  if  the  laft  year 
had  been  one  continual  fcene  of  blunders,  it  was  proper  the 
man  fhould  be  removed,  as  it  proved  he  was  worn  out,  and 
.was  become  a  driveller.  He  faid  the  learne<3  Lord  (Advo- 
cate) with  all  his  eloquence,  and  all  that  ingenuity  which  fo 
particularly  diftinguiflied  his  character,  was  afhamed  to  own 
Lord  Sandwich  for  a  father,  or  to  bear  his  name;  and  cer- 
tainly he  was  right  in  fo  doing,  for  no  man  woald  wifh  to  be 
the  child  of  one  that  was  fo  reprobated  for  his  conduft  as  a 
Minifter«  He  afterwards  adverted  to  the  four  heads  of 
charge  which  Mr.  Fox.  grounded  his  motion  originally  on^ 
and  confefTed  himfelf  ftrongly  in  favour  of  the  motion,  and 
thoroughly  certain,  that,  could  he  dive  into  the  hearts  of  men^ 
not  a  perfon  in  that  Houfe  but  was  of  the  fame  opinion  ;  but 
thofe  who  would  vote  againil  the  qjaeAion,  would  vote  as 
much  for  themfelves,  as  they  did  for  Lord  Sandwich^  with 
whom  their  intercft  was  fo  nearly  connefted. 

Admiral -&;)/>^^/ got  up  infome  warmtji,  to  anfwcr,  he  faid,  Admlnl  ' 
an  afperfion  which  feemed  to  be  thrown  out  by  the  learned  ^«PP«* 
Lord,  with  refpeft  to  the  opinion  of  Capt.  Adam  Duncan* 
Captain  Duncan  was  a  man  of  too  much  honour  to  fpeak  a 
double  tale,  therefore  he  was  confident  the  learned  Lordmuft 
have  mifufiderftood  Captain  Duncan,  which  was  caiily  to  be 
done,  the  lejirned  Lord  being  ignorant  of  the  profeffion.  -— 
Captain  Duncan  had,  in  converfation  with  him,  declared  the 
reverfe  of  what  the  learned  Lord  bad  alTerted  ;  and  he  would 
mention  it  again,  that  Captain  Duncan  was  a  man  of  too 
much  honour  to  carry  a  double  face.  There  was  not,  he 
believed,  a  captain  in  the  fquadron  of  Sir  George  Rodney, 
who  did  not  think  that  he  ought  to  have  been  feot  out  to  join 
Admiral  Ketnpenfek.  But  to  the  queftion;  it  had  been  de- 
clared by  thofe  in  office,  that  the.  whole  of  the  force  of  this 
country  had  been  exerted  properly  ;  he  denied  the  fa£l,  for 
at  the  time  of  Admiral  Kempenfelt*s  failiag,  there  were  more 
than  ten  (hips  l^^ying  idle^  which  might  have  been  with  him  ; 
and  it  was  a  paltry  excufe  to  fay  they  were  not  ready,  it  was 
the  duty  of  the  Admiralty  always  to  have  fhips  ready  (but 
more  particularly  when  they  have  fuch  long  notice  as  appeared 
in  the  prefent  cafe)  to  put  to  fea  on  an  emergency.  With 
refpe£t^  to  the  proteftion  which  ought  to  have  been  given  to 
the  Euftatius  convoy^  it  would  certainly  have  been  an  eafy 

L I  2  matter 

m6  P.AELIAMBNTARY         A.  178^. 

matter  to  fill  in  wUh  them,  for  Sir  George  Rodney  writes 
cxprelsly  homCj  tliey  are  to  be  met  with  in  laf.  49,  30;  nqJ 
what  docs  Government  do-  in  •  confcqucnce  of  tliis  inforirji- 
.  tion  ?  why,  nftcr  the  fleet  is  captured,  they  feftda  frigate  to 
cn3i/Cin48,  30,  by  which  means,  had  they  bce.A  where  Sir 
Gcorpjc  PvCdiuy  mentioned;  the  frigate,  in  all.  probability, 
vyonld  have  miffed  them.  He  defcanred  on  other  parts  with 
much  profcflional  judgment,  and  concluded  by  giving  his 
hearty  afi'cnt  to  the  motion. 
Mr.  Sheri-  Mi^  Hhcridan  faid,  he  was  farprifed  to  hear  gentlemen  dif- 
^^^'  fer  on  the  prefetit  qneftionr;  the  public  notoriety  of  qiir  fai- 
lures at  fca  fpoke  atonce  for  the  motion;  and  to  hear  gen- 
tlemen ufL'jc,  that  if  thcjr  Voted  for  this  motion,  it  ought  not 
to  be  follojyed  by  the  difmhlTon  of  Lord  Sandwich;  was  cx- 
aftly  fimilar  to  that  which  muft  for  ever  appear  a  difgrace  to 
tis,  viz.  voting  that  '*  the  influence  of  the  Crovi;^n  had  en- 
creafcd,  was  ftill  encreafing,  and  ought  to  be  dimihiflied;" 
and  negativing  ;hc  very  firft 'motion  afterwards,  grounded 
on  that  refolutibri;  furely,  he  faid^  we  were  not  going  to 
fall  into  the  fame  error  no '.r.  It  had  been  ftrongly  urged, 
that  the  rcafon  why  X-o^d  Sandwich  fhouki  not  be  removed 
now  was,  on  account  of  his  having  laid  his  pbns  for  the  cn- 
luing  campaign,  which  would  be  all  fruftrated,  if  he  did  not 
continue  in  office.  Good  God  !  what  good  could  be  expcfted 
from  the  future  plans  of  a  man  that  had  planned  (o  badly  be- 
.  fore  ?  certainly  nothing;  and  if  that  was  to  be  the  cafe,  why 
luvas  there  a  new  fecrctary  appointed  a  few  days  back  ?  had 
not  the  late  one  formed  his  plans  ?.  fufcly,  if  it  would  hold 
^^ood  in  one,  it  would  in  the  other  ;  but  he  wifhed  there  had 
hccil  no  pbns  formed  by  the  late  American  Secretary,  for  he 
dreaded  to  fee.  the  day,  if -ever  the  army  fliould  retifrh  from 
A^ndrica;  it  muft  be  an  awful  day  to  England;  no  man 
could  forefee  the  confcquence  of  what  might  happen  on  tlic 
'  return  of  a  large  body  of  men,  who  had,  for  aferies  of  years, 
been  unnaturally  employed  to.ihcd  the  blood  of  their  fcHow- 
fubjcftsJ  He  was  heard  throaghout  with  great  attention,  and 
concluded  with  failing,  that  he  dreaded  making  a  peace'till 
the  marine  iDf  France  w^s  humbled ;  if  peace  was  made  while 
the  Houfe  of  Bourbon  was  equal  in  marine  force  to  this  coun- 
try, he  feared"  there  would  be  an  end  not  only  to  the  com- 
Jiierce  and  profperity,  but  alfo  to  the  civil  liberties  of  the 
kingdom.  '  ' 
Mr.  HiiU  Mr.  Billf  of  Salifbury,  took  up  the  queftion  with  confi« 
4erable  hunjc^ur.  He  faid,.  he  attende(;i  to  the  deh^tp  verr 
■      ' '        '■'   ••■  '.'■''        .     "       '  ■  cloftlv": 

A.i78a.  D    fi    B    A    t'  fe  ^S.  2^/ 

,   clofely  t  he  had  marked  the  arguments  on  the  one  fide  and  the 
etiier  with  that  care  and  yiipartiality  which  a  m^n  ought  to 
oblcrve  in  making  up  hi^  opinion,  for  he  came  ddwn  to  the 
Houfe  with  the  beft  difpbfitiorf  to  candour,  that  he  might 
rective  coh\4ftiqn  from  the  proofs  ^nd  reafoning  of  the  day, 
and  not  be  guided  by  prejudice  or  faftion.     On  the  one  fide 
then  he  had  heard' it  faid,  and  faid  with  great  earneftnefs, 
that  iht  Earl  of  ♦Sandwich  was  negligent,  incapablcj  inac- 
tive ;  that  he  wa?  the  moft  inattentive  and  incompetent  naval 
Minifter  that  ever  ruined  or  dtigraced  a  country  ;  that  our 
iiayy  was  weakened  and  decayed  ;  that  we  had  neither  (hips 
lior  men;  and  that bur oieafurcs  were  framed  without wifdom, 
and  eiecurcd  without  Ipirit ;  that  we  had  neither  enterprizc 
por  Vigour  in  our  naval  department,  and  that  conlcquently 
|hc  very  force  which  we  poffcffed   was  not  direfted  to  the 
cbjcSs  of  the  war*     This  was  the  ftory  on  one  fide. — On  the 
Qther  it  was  alledged^  that  the  Earl  of  Sandwich  was  one  of 
thegreatcft,  moft  vigilant,  adive,  and  capable  of  Miniftcrs     . 
that  ever  filled  the  naval  department;  that  he  was  exceed- 
ingly itiduftrlous,  and  not  very  unfortunate;  that  his  plans  were 
fraiHed  with  thc*uriioft  wifdom,  and  executed  with  the  laft 
(\egret  of  wiMom ;  that  he  was  remarked  for  diligence  and 
ii^ell;  and  tUat,  ^nder  his  management,  the  navy  bad  ad- 
vanced to  a  pitch  of  ftrength  and  grandeur  unknown  before. 
This  was  the  ftory  on  both  fides.     Betweeu  defcriptions  fo 
CKcccdingiy  opppixte  as  thefc  were,  how  otherways  could  he 
aA,  than  to  take  the  cxaft  middle  between  them  both,  and 
believe  that  Lbrd  Sandwich  was  neither  a  wife  man  nor  a 
fool;  neither  a  diligent  nor  a  lazy  man  •  neither  enterprizing 
nor  backw&rcl ^  neither  great  nor.  little;  but,  in  fliort,  that 
he  was  an»indifFefent  fort  of  a  fo  and  fo  Minifter,  without 
any  qualities  that  were  either  to  be  commended  or  cenlured ; 
and  vvho  was  calculated  to  go  through  life  without  doing  ei- 
ther good  or  hftrrii  in  it.     Take  tRe  matter  in  tUis  way,  that 
he  was  an  indifFerfent,  middling  kind  of  a  Minifter,  he  muft 
vote  againft  him  ;  for  he  muft  believe  that,  in  times  like 
thefe,  a  Minifter  of  this  fort  was  not  the  fit  man  to  be  em- 
ployed.    We  had  occafidn  for  a  man  fuch  as  the  friends  of 
L.ord  Sandwich  defcribed  him  to  be,   not  fuch  as  the  nation 
had  .found  he  was.     W$  wantec)  a  Minifter  of  profound  forc- 
iight,  and  unremitted  diligence}    but  we  nruft  prove  him 
pofTclIed  of  thofc  quailities  by  other  means  than  the  report  of  a 
junior  Lord  of  the  Admiralty*     Succefs  would  be  a  teftimony 
which  the  natioa  would  be  happy  to  admit ;  but  as  that  had 


%S^  PARLIAMBNTARY  A.  1)82. 

not  been  A^  cafe,  he  muft,  for  one^  hc^rtiljr  wiih  to  fee  the 
department  filled  by  another  perfon.     The  language  of  the 
two  iides  of  the  Houfe  he  bad  remarked  throughout.    The 
lainifterial  party  afcribed  the  calamntes  of  the  country  to  die 
faAion  out  of  place.     That  party  afcribed  it  to  the  faction 
who  were  in  place.    He  iincerely  believed  that  there  was  a 
great  deal  to  be  attributed  to  fadlion,  and  perhaps  faAion  on 
both  iides  had  done  injury  ;  but  in  regulating  his  own  con- 
du£t,  he  muft  look  to  that  which  he  thought  the  moft  upright 
and  able  of  the  two  ;  and  he  had  made  the  decHion  in  favour 
of  thofe  who  had  moved  the  prefent  queftion.     Their  rea- 
fonings  and  forefight  had  been  verified  by  experience  in  every 
inftance^  and  it  was  but.  juftice  to  give  credit  to  thofe  men 
who  hadunifprmly  pppofed  the  meafures  that  bad  brought  us 
to  what  we  are.  .  He  wifhcd  to  be.  a  fupporter  of  governmeat. 
He  had  been  fo ;  and  in  the  prefent  inftance  be  was  a  fuppor^ 
terof  government;  for  he  maintained  juft  government,  by 
removing  bad  governors.    If  thofe  men  were  removed,   who 
were  really  incapable  of  ferving  us  with  credit,  or  who  coold 
not  remain  in  place  without  dividing  the  fervictf,  diftrading 
and  dejefling  it,  there  would  be  fome  hope  for  England  even 
yet  ;  and  he  fincerely  hoped,   that  the  Houfe  of  Commoos 
vvould  have  the  wifdom  to  think  that  the  objeft  of  falvation 
was  worth  the  attempting. 
Sir  William      Sir  ffilliam  Dolben  faid,  that  he  was  brought^  on  the  firft 
Doiben.      moving  of  this  qgeilion,  to  agree  to  the  proportion,  that 
there  had  been  mifcondud  and  mifmanagement  in  the  naval 
department  during  the  year  1781.     He  was  brought  to  do 
this  from  convi£tion.     The  papers  upon  the  table  evidently, 
and  atleafl  clearly  to  his  mind,  proved  that  fa£k  ;  but  when 
the  honourable  gentlemen  talked  of  foUowios  this  qoeftioli 
up  with  a  motion  of  difmiffion^  and  not  even  uopping  there, 
but  going  on,  and  after  he  fhould  be  difcbarged  from  office, 
bringing  him  to  trial,  there  be  muft  beg  leave  to  disjoin  his 
vote,  from  raofe  of  the  party  who  wilhed  for  carrying  the 
buiinefs  fo  far  ;  he  did  not  think  that  it  would  be  right*  de« 
cent,  or  even  proper  to  proceed  to  the  length  of  difmiiHon ; 
but  more  efpecially  under  tlie  circumftances  of  the  noble 
Lord  in  the  prefent  inftance.     For  what  wa$  the  argument 
advanced  by  the  honourable  gentlem|n  whp  brought  forward 
this  motion,  for  not  trying  the  noble  Lord,. the  Firft  Lord  of 
the  Admiralty,  while  he  continued  in  place  ?  Becaufe,   fays 
he,  the  people  in  office,  who  muft  fiirnifh  the  intelligenct, 
)  would  fpeak  under  influence^  and  would  bo  deterred  from 

•  '  ,  giving 

A.  1782.  D    E    BATE    S. 

giving  their  tcftimotty  fo  fully  and  ffecly,  as  was  rcquifite  (p 
come  at  the  truth*  If  tben  it.was  *true^  he  ■niul^  qpntehd 
that  it  would  be' equally  uhjuft'  \6h'  the  other  fide  to  try  him 
after  he  was  difmined  from  office  ;  for  then  what  would  be- 
fore his.  difmilfioa  fupprefs 'the  truth,  would  be'^cap;^^^  of 
aggravating  it  afterwards.  This  his  feptiment,  and  ke  ... 
njuft  decline  going  farther  in  the  matter  than  the  motion  of  ;  J.'^ 
ccnfure  ;  and  if  it  was  meaiit  and  under  w.q^ 

to  be  foiIowe(i ,by  otter  .mojtion^ to  tl\at  efF^ft, .  wliicahe  bad 
it^ttd,  he  wouTd  >not  vote  for  the  prefent  queftionV 

.  Mr,  Thomas  Pitt  fpoke  with  his  \jfu,al  elegance,,  in  aniwef  Mr.  Th«. 
to  Sir  William  polben  I  hefaid'the  baronet  iurely  ought  to  «**»^"*- 
confi.der  wjiat.-was  the  duty/vo^-^^e^Qommons*  Hovrfc  of 
Parliament.,  Could  they  fubn^it^to  fc(p  a;man  continue  in  of"- 
fice,  whofe'  adaiimftration  the]^  had  declared  to  be.producr 
tive  of  fo  mucU  ruin  to  bis  country  ?  It  was ,  mou  Certainly 
impoifible^  after  coming  to  the  refolvition  now^ropoied,  tha^t 
thex  jcould  jctxdlj^^vom,^\xc,^^  difaiiffion^V  .Coojifte 

with  'duty,'  they  could  n6t.  .'But  furcly  this.yva^  .npt  an  ar-- 
gumont  for^obie&ingtothepr^fentqiucfcion.^  Tbebono^ira-, 
ble  baronet  bsEd  already  confeifed,  that  he  was  fully  convinced 
of  the  juftice  of  the  motion  of  cp^fure,  and,  therefore,  he 
ought  fu.rcly,  to  give  his  vote;  when  thVipotioa  of     .   ,1.' 
dimiiffion  came,  then  the  honourable  gentleman  iplght  declare 
his  fentiments,  biit  furely  thajt  ought  riot  tp  aifccJV^is  prefeoit 
vote.     He  fpoke  with  great  feeling  on  the  diftriefsffcd  ftate  oi 
the  enjpi re,'  arifiqg.  totally  from,  khc  decay  apij  qijfo^a^^ 
ment  of  the  navy.     He  advcrtea  tp  what  had  fallen  frorp 
Mr,  iHilU     He  will^ed  to  hear  the  Jlf otiments  ofmeri.whp 
were  of  ^  no  party^ahd  he  trufted  they  would  ^ve  their 
votes,  along  with  his  own,  below,  the  bar.     Jle  wis  fure 
tli^t  every  mail  uricorine&ed  with  miniftry,  and  who  had  a 
voire  to^vi?,  WQuW  vote  for. the  ,pretbnt  <jpeAion,%i^  they 

voted  at  all. 

Mr.  Ti^yfor. fpplie  ftrpn|;ly  Jnfavc^ur QF;the,iino|:i9n;,  ap^  Mr.Tiyior. 

faid,  that  fuch,  in .  his  opmioii,  had.  been  the  ,  mif^J.^f^^^g^r 
ment  of  thcnavy^.  that ^aU  our. calan^itW had  originated  in 
that  fburce,  and  were  folely  to  be  afcribed  tg  that  evii.  Tbio 
Houfc  of  Corampm.muft  perform  their  duty*  Itwarnpt  ini 
their  power,  however  it  might  be  ii^  their  wiflies,  to  conceal 
from  the  diigracc  .and  punifhment  which  he  merited,  the 
man,  who  Jiad  been  the  all, our  .fufFerJqgs,  pur  in- 
:crhal  divifions,  and  our  national  difgrace.    They  muft  meet 


326  PARLIAMEJNTTARY  A;  178^. 

the  queftion  foon  or  Ute,  aod.  Xbt  iitvatloil  i>i  the  country 
Would  not  brook  delay. 

The  Houfe  noW  divided  6a  the  original  queft ion,  when 
the  numbers  were  :  Ay^s.2t7  ;  noes  226,.    Majority  ia  fa- 
vour of  Lord  Sandwich'  19.  '    .    . 
WhHc  the  members  were  in  the  lobby,  'Mr.  Thomas  Tm'n- 
Mr.  Tho-   Jhend  informed  them  that  a  queftion  was  tocome  on  with  ref- 
»••  Town- pcft  to  the  continuance  of  the  American  war,  previous  to 
•         their  voting  the  fupply.     Gentlemen  muft  have  oWerved,  he 
faid;  that  notwithftanding  the  alTertions  of  ininifters  in  the 
beginning  of  .the'  feflion^  that  the  war  in  America  could  not 
be  carried  on;  that  yet  preparations  were  now  making  for 
another  campaign,  and  a  very  famotis  general  was  appointed 
the  Commander  in  Chief  [SVr  Guy  Qarlcjtoni},    "iTiis  tfras  die 
manner  in  which  aiickened  Parliament  bad  been'abufed  and 
impofedonjand  it  was  exceedingly  neceflarVj  that  fuch  gentle- 
men  as  were, of  opinion  that  more  than  a  InuMixig  declaration 
6f  miniflers  was  wanted,  to* give  them  ihefecurity  that  this 
mad  war  fbould  not  be  perfifted'ip,  fhould  giVe.  their  atten- 
dance, whijn  that  motion  fhould'Bepropof^j 

Deferred  WJys  and  Means,  and  the  Supply,  to  Friday. 

.;  February  22^ 
General  .  General  Co/fw^z/  rofe  to  majle  the  impdrfapt' motion  ref- 
Ctnway.  pejting  thc  American  war,,  which  had  'bfecn  ihtirfiated  two 
days  bdfbre.  The  right  honourable  gentleman  began  witi 
llatinff,' that  the  words  which  had  fallen  from  hijiii  ibme  time 
ago,  Ihad'been  the  means  of  mdu'cing  genfletiitri  to  rcqueft 
him'  to  move  the  queftion,  which  they  all  confidered  to  be 
tflentlally  necefTaYy  in  the  prefent  ifaoment,  wheh  they  faw, 
notwithfiahding  all  the^fturances  which  the  nation  bad  re- 
ceived^ that  meafurcs  were  apparently  taking  for  the  furihci 
Jprofecution  of  the  American  war.  At  this  day  it  vi'ould  be 
furely  idle  and  impertinent  in  him  to  try  to'interefl  the  paf- 
fions  of  the  Houfe,  by  a  defcription  of  thts  tmhappy  and 
.  miferablc  ftruggle.  Its  progrefs  had  been  marked  in  the  belt 
blood  of  the  empire.  It  was  to  be  traced  by  havock  ind  dc- 
folatiott  ;  by  the  ravagjtijg' bf' towns  and  thdniurder  of  fami- 
lies; by  outrages  in  every  corner  of  America,  and  by  ruin 
iathome.  It  came  home  to  the  feelings  of  every  individual 
in  the  Houfe,  and  he  doutted  not  but  they  had  fo  mucho: 
It,  as  to  wifli  fincerely  for  that  thing,  which  could  alone  put 
a  ftop  to  the  farther  calamities,  called  Peace.  In  the  pie- 
lent  moment,  when  there  were  certain  indications  of  a  dcfijfl 



A.  178a.  DEBATES;  a6i 

to  continue  that  war ;  when  a  new  General  was  ap^ointed^ 
and  when,  as  he  lia<i  been  ctedibly  informed,  there  were  pre- 
fiarations  making  for  the  next  a£tive,  offenfive  campaign ;  in 
this  moment  he  thought  it  necelTary  to  alk  of  the  hew  Secre- 
tary, what  was  the  defign  of  government,  not  with  regard 
to  particular  operations,  but  to  the  general  fyfletn  ?    We 
were  at  prefent^  he  faid^  entering  as  it  were,  into  a  new  aera; 
we  had  got  a  new  Secretary  of  State,  who,  though  not  a 
young  nian,  was  neverthelefs  i  very  young  minifter :  if  he 
was  not  young  in  body^  he  was  ftill  pouefled  of  youthful  vi- 
gour of  mind  ;  and  therefore  he  wiuied  to  know  what  iVere 
the  principles,  what  the  fentinlents  of  this  new  minifter  ref 
Ipeding  the  Atnerican  war  ?  He  trembledj  however,  front  , 
the  complexion  of.  the  right  honourable  gentleman^s  former 
political  conduft,  left  he  fbould  be  another  phcenix,  fprung 
from  the  afhes  of  his  predeceflbr  ;  and  from  hiiii  the  Ame- 
rican war  fliould  be  renewed  in  all  its  former  vigour.    Then, 
indeed^  the  ftate  bark  might  be  faid  to  be  in  the  moft  immi- 
nent danger;  then  he  might  cry  out, 

O  /  NoTPts  refertnt  ih  mare  te  NOV  i 

Were  we  with  a  new  conduftor  to  have  a  new  plan,  or  were 
ive  to  go  on  in  the  fame  manner  as  we  had  begun  and  conti- 
nued fo  long,  in  the  obftinate  rejefiion  of  all  advice  which  we  . 
could  derive  either  from  experience  or  difafter  ?  The  defire 
oF  our  gracious  and  well-inclined  Sovereign  mud;  be  fot 
peace,    rle  had  exprefled  it  in  his  fpeech  from  the  throne  ; 
and  it  would  therefore,  he  thou^it,  in  the  prefent  moment, 
become  that  Houie  to  approach  the  throne  with  an  humble, 
earneftv  and  dutiful  folicitation  that  he  would  be  graciouily 
pleafed  to  follow  the  benevolent  wifhes  which  he  had  ex- 
preiled,  to  put  an  end  to  that  calamitous  war  with  our  fellow 
'  brethren  in  America.     He  defired  to  put  a  queftion  or  two  to 
his  Majefty's  minifters,  which  he  hoped  they  would  have  no 
objeflion  to  anfwer.     He  was  given  to  underftand,  and  he 
had   it  from  good  authority;  that  there  were  now,   or  had 
been  lately,  perfons  very  near  at  hand,  difpofed  and  authori- 
Ted  to  treat  of  peace  with  America.     It  was  a  qneftioo  which 
he  defired  them  to  anfwer  openly  and  ferioully.     He  was 
pretty  well  informed,  both  from  the  correfpondence  that  he 
had  himfelf,  and  from  the  inquiries  that  he  had  made,  that 
there   was  a  difpojfition  at  this  time   in  America  to  treat  of 
peace  ;  and  that  it  was  not  unknown  to  miniftcrs  Uiat  per- 
VoL.  VI.  M  m  fens. 

a62  PARLIAMENTARY  A-  i^Zi. 

fonSy  fuck  as  he  bad  hinted,  properly  inftru£led  and  autho- 
rifed,  were  now,  or  lately  had  been,  not  fardiftant.  He 
defired  to  know  another  thing,  whether  they  had  lent  an  ear 
to  thofe  propofals,  and  had  treated  them  as  they  deferved. 
The  right  honourable  general  made  fomc  very'ftrong  and 
prefling  obfervations  on  the  urgent  neceffity  of  bringing  about 
this  defirable  end  ;  and  he  wilhed  exceedingly  to  know, 
what  this  new  and  young  minifter  was  to  do  in  this  fituation 
into  which  he  was  introduced.  We  paid  for  73,000  men, 
now  faid  to  be  employed  in  America.  This  force  was  only 
npoo  paper,  though  we  paid  for  them  :  in  faft,  by  the  Uft 
returns  it  appeared,  that  the  force  under  Sir  Henry  Clinton 
was  9,300,  and  that  captured  in  Virginia  only  5,400;  fo 
that,  in  reality,  every  foldier,  aAually  emp^Ioyed  in  Ameri- 
ca, coft  us  one  hundred  pounds  a  year.  Having  forcibly 
called  and  exhorted  the  Houfc  to  confider  the  neceffity  of  the 
moment,  and  to  bend  all  their  anxiety  to  the  accomplifhment 
of  peace;  for  the  m^n  who,  in  the  prefent  diftrefs,  did  not 
wifh  for  peace,  peace  in  preference  to  war,  not  only  had  nor 
a  heart,  but  he  had  not  a  foul  in  his  bofom.  He  concluded 
with  moving,  "  That  an  humble  addrefs  be'prefented  to  his 
Majefty,  earneftly  imploring  his  Majefty,  that,  taking  into 
his  toyal  confideration  the  many  and  great  calamities  which 
have  attended  the  preieiit  unfortunate  war,  and  the  heavy 
burthens  thereby  brought  on  his  loyal  and  aife£tionate  people, 
he  will  be  pleafed  gracioufly  to  liften  .to  (be  humble  prayer 
and' ad  vice  of  his  faithful  Commons,  that  the  war  on  thecon- 
tinent  of  North  America  may  no  longer  be  purfued  for  the 
impra£ticable  purpofe  of  reducing  the  inhabitsM^iU  of  that 
country  to  obedience  by  force  ;  and  expreffing  their  hope, 
that  the  earneft  defire  and  diligent  exertion  to  reflore  the  pu- 
blic tranquillity,  oF  which  we  have  received  his  Majefty's 
gracious  afTurances,  may,  by  a  happy  reconciliatipn  with 
the  revolted  colonies,  be  forwarded  a r^  made.efFe&ual,  to 
which  great  end  his  Majefty 's  faithful  Commons  will  be 
ready  moft  cheerfully  to  give  their  utmoft  affiftancc," 
LoH>hn  hord  John  Cavendi/h  i'econ<M  the  mbtioo,  and,  in  a  verv 
warm  appeal  to  the  nonelt  and  upngut  teelings  of  gentiemeiu 
begged  and  conjured  them  10  take  up  this  maiter  with  (eriout- 
nels  now,'  which,  fooner  or  later,  they  muft  take  up.  The 
prefent  motion  was  perfeftly  regular  and  parliamentary; 
.  for  though  they  might  not  prefume  to  advife  his  Majefty  what 
form  of  war  to  purfue,  they  might  fureiy  fay  what  ought  not 
to  be  purfued.     The  war  with  America  no];  laving  originated 

4  in 


A.  1782*  DEBATES.  *  163 

3  n  laudable  ambition,  or  in  juft  policy,  had  been  conduAed 
without  the  dignity  that  became  the  Britifh  nation.     Nar- 
roWy  low,  and  relfifli  in  Its  principfe^  the  condu£t  had  been 
mean,  mifcrable,  and  defedive.     There  was  neither  digni- 
fied refentnxent  in  the  origin  nor  the  progrefs.    It  w^s  begun 
and  carried  on  in  pique,  difguft,  rancour,  and  narrowncfs,  > 
Theie  low  pailions  had  been  fed  by  difappointment ;  cala- 
mity, inftead  of  making  us  wife,  which  was  its  common 
cfForr,  bad  made  us  fooliih  ;  but  we  ought  to  coniider,  that 
Iboner  or  later  we  muft  come  to  peace.     We  were  already 
poorer  by  feventy  millions  than  at  the  outfet.     If  then  peace 
muft  at  laft  be  fought  for,  the  fooner  furely  the  better  ;  for 
the  old  prejudices  and  predilections  of  the  Americans  to-  ' 
wards  us,  might  not  yet  even  be  worn  away  from  the  bofom. 
Their  trade,  from  that  friendly  partiality  which  long  con-  ' 
pe£tion  and  intercourfe  are  calculated  to  infpire,  might  revert 
to  its  old  channel  ;  but  if  the  period  was  delayed,  they  would 
£nd  new  tracksy>  where  they  muft  form  new  afFe£tions,  new 
habits,  to  the  extin£tion  of  the  laft  fparks  of  kindnefs  that 
remained  in  the  bofom. 

The  Houfe  had  been  told,  that  when  no  demand  was  made 
of  a  greater  fupply  of  men  from  Parliament  than  had  been 
voted  laft  year,,  it  was  clear  that  the  war  was  to  be  carried  on 
on  a  much  more  confined  plan  than  hitherto  ;  becaufe  in  the 
eftimates.  for  the  year,  the  force  under  Lord  Cornwallis  was    , 
induded,  which,  being  captured,  could  nor  a£t ;  but  as  the 
right  honourable  General  had  obferved  that  the  army  had  ne- 
ver been  any  thing  like  what  it  was  declared  to  be  in  the  efti- 
mates, it;  was  obvious,  that  by  making  up  the  deficiences,  and 
rendering  the   aimy  completely    efFe£lual   to    its    nominal 
amount,  we  might  have  a  greater  force  there  this  year^han 
ever  we  had  at  any  former  period  of  the  war;  therefore   the, 
teft  given  by   minifters  from  the  numbers  voted  this  year 
might  be  fallacious^  and  probably  it  was  fo  ;^he  underftood 
that  great  exertions  were  making  to  raife  recruits  in  Germany, 
andellewhere;  and  therefore  it  was  the  indiipenfible  duty  of   v 
Parliament  to  call  upon  the  fervants  of  the  Crown  to  fay 
lArhether  they  did  not  ftill  intend  by  thefe  means  to  carry  m 
the  mad  and  abfurd  projeft  of  reducing  America  to  obedience 
by  force. 

Mr.  Secretary  Ellis  faid,  that  though  a   very  old  member  Mr.  Se«re* 
of  Parliament,  he  certainly  was  a  very  young  minifter.;  and  ^n  **^»»' 
therefore  he  trufted,  that,  in  what  he  fhould  fay,  the  boufo 
would  be  fb  Indulgent  as  to  make  allowance  to  hun^  ftanding. 

Mm  2  a« 

264  PARLIAMENTARY  A.1782, 

as  he  did  then,  in  a  fituation  fo  very  new  to  him :  though  an 
old  member  of  Parliament,  he  had  been  long  difuied  to  (peak- 
ing ;  and  therefore  he  ftodS  in  ftiU  greater  need  of  this  par- 
ticular indalgencc,  if  from  want  of  habit,  he  ihould  deliver 
himfelf  in  a  lefs  pleaiing,  or  more  embarraifed  manner,  than 
if  be  had  been  a  young  man,  an  older  minifter,  or  a  more 
frequent  fpeaker. 

As  to  the  American  war,  it  had  always  been  his  firm  opi- 
nion, that  it  was  joft  in  its  origin ;  nor  could  the  events  that 
had  fince  occurred,  make  him  change  that  opinion  :  but  he 
never  entertained  an  idea,  nor  did  he  believe  that  any  man 
in  that  Houfe  ever  imagined  that  America  was  to  be  reduced 
to  obedience  by  force  ;  his  idea  always  was^  that  in  America 
vre  had  many  friends ;  and  that  by  ftrongly  fupporting  them, 
we  ihould  be  able  to  deftroy  that  party  or  faftion  that  wifhed 
for  war,  from  motives  of  ambition,  or  a  diflike  to  monarchy ; 
to  deftrov'that  fa£tioh,  and  afGft  our  friends  there  in  that 
defined  ODJe{^.  was,  in  his  opinion,  the  true  and  only  objeft 
of  the  war.  Whether  that  objeA  was  now  attainable,  was 
inatter  (it  to  beconiidered.  That  our  friends  in  America 
were  dill  numerous  was  a  fad:,  for  the  truth  of  which,  he 
would  not  indeed  pledge  himfelf  to  the  Houfe;  but  he  would 
neverthclefs  aflure  them  that  he  believed  it  to  be  t  certain 
fa£l :  and  he. believed  it  to  be  fo,  becaufe  he  had  the  befi:  rea- 
•  fons  to  fupport  his  belief.  If  his  fentiments  were  not  now 
the  fame  as  they  ever  had  been,  refbeding  the  practicability 
of  the  war,  he  did  not  feel  himfelf  10  much  under  the  influ- 
ence of  the  unmanly  (hame  alluded  to  by  the  noble  ILiOrd,  as 
to  be  afraid  to  confefs  that  a  revolution  had  taken  place  in 
his  mind  ;  and  he  was  free  to  confefs  that  be  was  not  nowfo 
fanguine  in  his  hopes  of  fuccefs  as  he  had  been  fome  time 
pgo  :  nor  did  he  think  that  the  confeflipn  difgraced  him  ;  for 
Jie  held  it  to  be  the  duty  of  a  ftatefman  to  conform  to  the 
circun^ftances  of  the  times,  and  not  blindly  and  obftinarely 
^dbere  to  opinions,  merely  becaufe  he  had  once  entertained 
find  fupported  them^ 

As  to  peace,  no  map  could  have  a  more  eameft  dcfirc^  to 
fee  it  reftored,  than  he  had  ;  and  whenever  it  could  be  made 
with  fafety  and  honour  to  this  country,  he  would  moft  cheer- 
fully concur  with  his  Majefty's  minifters  in  eftablifhing  it  as 
fpeedily  as  poffible.  He  could  endure  war,  only  as  the  means 
of  procuring  a  lading  and  fafe  peace  :  it  was  on  this  princi- 
'  pie  alone  that  war  could  be  juftified ;  and  being  goveri^cd  as 
^e  was  by  that  principle,  it  was  ipnpolfible.  tliat  he  could  be 

A.  1782.  DEBATES.  265 

an  advocate  for  protracting  the  war  onb  day  beyond  tkat 
time  when  a  permanent  and  honourable  peace  may  be  eftab- 
iilhed.  The  honourable  general  had  faid,  that  overtures  had 
been  made,  or  certain  circumftances  tending  to  a  peace  with 
America,  had  been  communicated  to  his  predecefTor  in  office^ 
but  he  rea)ly  hird  never  heard  of  any  fuch  thing  before ;  and 
he  was  fo  very  fhort  a  time  in  office,  that  he  had  not  as  yet 
feen  any  trace  of  fuch  a  notification,  as  the  honourable  Gene- 
ral had  alluded  to. 

The  executive  part  of  government  was  veftcd  undoubtedly 
by  the  confticution,  in  the  fervants  of  the  Crown ;  but  the 
Houfe  was  no  doubt  competent  to  interfere  in  the  executive 
department,  If  it  fhould  think  it  expedient  fo  to  do ;  but  he 
hoped  that  the  Ugiflature  would  never  interfere  on  flight 

S rounds.  If  the  Iloufe  wanted  a  teft  of  the  intentions  of 
ffiniflry,  refpefting  the  future  condu£t  of  the  war,  a  tefl 
had  been  already  given,  on  which  the  Houfe  could  rely  with 
more  certainty  than  on  any  declaration  of  any  minifler; 
and  that  tefl  was  the  vote  that  pafTed  for  the  army  of  the 
prefent  year :  an  army  was  lofl  lafl  year,  and  no  application 
had  been  flnce  made  to  Parliament  for  another  to  replace  it ; 
nay,  as  the  captured  army  of  Lord  Cornwallis  formed  a  part 
of  the  7300a  men,  voted  for  the  American  fervice  of  the 
current  year,  it  was  clear  that  the  operations  of  our  troops 
xnuft  be  proportionably  confined,  on  account. of  the  defalca- 
tion occafidQed  by  the  captivity  of  the  army  in  Virginia. 

Peace  was  certainly  the  wifh  of  every  man;  but  every 
man  might  not  perhaps  take  the  fame  fteps  to  attain  that 
greatly  defired  obje£t.  It  was,  his  bufjnefs  to  fubmit  to  the 
judgment  of  the  Houfe,  whether  the  bcfl  way  to  make  an  . 
enemy  fincerely  wifh  for  peace,  was  to  withdraw  the  troops 
from  the  country,  and  rid  them  of  thofe  harrailings  which 
make  men  tired  of  war,  and  fo  anxious  for  the  return  of 
peace  ?  In  his  opinion,  it  would  be  tantamount  to  this  lan- 
guage—  **  we  are  tired  out;  do  what  you  pleafe,  alk  what 
'*  you  will,  propofc  your  own  terms,  you  have  carfe  blanche, 
**  we  fubfcribe  to  every  thing."  On  the  other  hand,  to  make 
them  feel  the  inconveniencies,  the  hardfhips,  the  burdens  of 
war,  was,  in  bis  mind,  the  furefkway  to  make  them  wifli 
for  peace;  and  therefore  he  muft  conclude  vigour  and  exer- 
tion was  the  furefl  forerunner  of  diat  ineftimable  blefTing. 

But  gentlemen  did  not  feem  fo  anxious  for  peace  in  gene-- 
ral,  as  to  put  an  end  to  the  American  war.  Seeing  things 
ia  the  light  which  he  fnw  them,   and  having  the  grounds 


266  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782. 

^hlch  he  bad  for  ibrming  his  judgment,  he  could  not  call 
the  war  in  America,  the  American  \\^ar;  its.  true  name  was 
the  French  war;  for,  if  he  wsls  not  greaily  miftakcn,  and  he 
believed  he  fpoke  from  very  good  authority,  the  army  under 
General  Wafhington  in  general,  and  the  whole  of  the  Ame- 
rican continental  army,  was  fed,  cloathed,  and  paid  by 
.  France ;  fo  that  it  was  France,  not  the  Congrefs^  that  was 
fighting  in  America :  it  was  not  mere  locality  that  gave  name 
to  a  war ;  and  therefore,  from  what  he  knew,  h&  held  him- 
felf  to  be  authorized  in  calling  the.  war  in  America  a  French 
war.  Now,  if  France  thight' be  fought  in  other  ecu niriis, 
as  well  as  in  France  —  if  flie  was  fought  laft  war  in  Germany, 
he  cbuld  not  fee  any  folid  objection  againff  fighting  her  ;his 
war  in  America. 

Haying  faid  this  much  in  order  to  explain  his  principles, 
he  thought  proper  to  make  fome  obfervations  on  the  manner 
in  which  the  motion  before  the  Houfe  was  worded.  It  con- 
dcrontd  a  yi^ar  on  the  cont,inent  of  America :  this  idea  how- 
ever was  very  vac;ue  and  loofe  ;  for  if  our  General  fhonid  at- 
tack the  French  forces  in  America,  he  might  be  condemned 
as  having  difobeyed  the  orders  of  that  Houfe  ;  and  yet  gentle- 
men proTcfled  to  liiy,  ttat  it  was  only  with  refpeft  to  the 
forces  in  America,  that  they  wpuld  have  our  hands  tied ;  the 
motion  however  made  no  fuch  referve,  for  a  war  on  the  conti- 
nent of  America  was  generally  condemned  by  it.  This  amount- 
ed, in  his  mind,  to  a  kind  of  tacit  declaration,  that  the  whole 
force  of  Britain  fhould  be  withdrawn  from  America:  if  gen- 
tlemen thought  the  times  ripe  for  fuch  a  dedaFation,  let  them 
make  it ;  if  they  were  not,  why  Ihould  they  propo-e  a  relb- 
lution  full  of  ambiguity?  they  no  doubt  cxpefted,  andjuftly 
too,  that  the  orders  of  the  Houfe  (hould  be  obeyed,  but  then 
they  (hould  not  word  thofe  ordei:s  in  fuch  a  manner  as 
would  render  it  impofBble  for  any  minifter  to  a&  under  theni 
with  fafety  to  himfelf ;  they  (hould  confider  that  upon  the 
right  and  faithful  difchargq  of  bis  duty,  depended  the  for- 
tune, the  life,  and  the  hoaour  of  a  Minifter :  and  therefore 
the  orders  under  which  he  mufl  afl:,  (hould  be  clear,  difiicft, 
and  explicit.  Minifters  never  could  aft  to  effeA  either  in 
war  or  foir  peace,  unlefs  they  poirefled  the  confidence  of  that 
Houfe;  the  Miniftiy  that  could  not  gain  that  confidence, 
ought  to  retire;  but  if  confidence  was  given  to  theai,  the 
confequence  of  that  confidence  ought  to  be,  tJiat  they  fhouVi 
r>e  left  to  aft  to  the.beflof  their  judgment,  and  to  avail  thero- 
felvcsof  contingenci^is  as  they  ftiould  ariies  ^^d  not  be  crip- 



A.  l^t7..  i)    E    6    kt    E    S.  -267 

phjd  up  fey  orders,  which  -on  many  unfor£(een  occafions 
might  perhaps  be  difobeyed  with  more  advantage  to  the  pub- 
lic than  the  moft  ftrift  adherence  to  *hem  could  poffibly  pro- 
duce. All  he  wiChed  was,  that  the  Houfe  would  be  texfJlicit 
intta  orders,  and  not  place  the  fetv^nts  of  the  Crown  in  a 
iituatioif  in  which  ^hey  could  not  aft,  either  with  fafety  to 
themfelves*,  or  ben^t  to  their  eouiitry.^  Mr.  Ellis  concluded, 
by  fayingj  that  he  had  thoughtk4«s  duty  to  fay  thus  mtrch,  ^ 
by  way  of  confeffion  -of  his  faith  in  his  new  fituation,  and  to 
gratify  the  curiofity  of  the  Houfe:  after  this,  he  apologized 
TOr  the  length  of  time  he  had  tr^fpaffed  upon  gentlemen ;  and 
begged  they  would  cxcufe  the  defefts  and  inaccuracies  that 
they  muft  have  obferved  in  the  ^ourfe  of  his  fpeedi.  He  came 
into  the  o^ce  which  he  now  held,  to  employ  the  fmall  portion 
of  vigour,  which  age  and  infirmity  had  left  him,  for  the  good 
of  his  country ;  he  had  now  made  his  confeflion  of  faith,  and 
he  trufted  to  the  fatisifaftion  of  the  Hbufc. 

Mr,  Burke  rofe  next,  and  made  an  admirable  commentary  Mr.  Borlce. 
on  the  fpeech  of  the  American  Secretary.  The  Houfe  had  no 
doubt 'been  exceedingly  attentive  to  the  fpeech  of  the  right 
honourable  gentleman  who  had  rifen,  foon  after  his  appoint- 
nicpt  to  the  important  office  which  lie  now  held,  for  the  de- 
lirable  purpofe  of  giving  complete  fatisfaftion  to  the  Houfe 
on  the  queftions  of  the  right  honourable  gentleman  who  had 
moved  the  propofition.  Whether  he  had  done  fo,  or  nor,  the 
Houfe  were  now  left  to  determine ;  but  there  was  one  exprcf- 
fion  of  the  new  Minifter  at  the  latter  end  of  his  fpeech,  which 
forcibly  marked  the  quality  and  nature  of  the  explanation 
which  he  had  more  than  once  given  of  his  principles,  and  of 
his  plan  of  conduft.  He  declared  that  he  Jiad  given  the 
Houfe  *'  his  confeflion  of  faith."  This  was  the  name  which 
he  had  given  to  his  fatisfaftory  explanation,  and  with  infi- 
nite juftice  ;  for,  fays  Mr.  Burke,  it  refembles  many  other' 
confeflions  of  faith  which  I  have  feen,  and  which  you  muft 
all  have  feen,  though  it  may,  by  the  efFeft  of  fome  internal 
light,  be  perfeftly  intelligible  to  the  right  honourable  mem- 
ber himfelf,  it  will  be  totally  unintelligible  to  all  the  reft  of 
mankind.  A  confeflion  of  faith  more  obfqure,  and  more  con- 
full'd^  more  intricate,  and  more  abfurd,  perhaps  was  never  ' 
framed  and.publifhed  for  the  delufion  and  calamity  of  man- 
kind ^  like  confeflions  of  faith  of  the  fame  unintelligible  na- 
ture, it  couW  only  be  fupported  by  miracles.  For  what  had 
this  ncNV  Minilter  faid  ?  ^  What  fatisfaftion  had  he  given  to 
the  Houfe,  and  for  what  had  the  new  arrangement  in  office 


a68  parliamentary  A.i}fe. 

been  made ;  to  which  the  nation  had  looked  wtth^xpefiadoo, 
and  coniidcrei  as  the  date  of  a  new  fy ftem,  founded  on  coo- 
.vi£tion  of  pad  errors,  in  which  this  tataland  ruinous  war  was 
to  be  at  length  given  up  }  Not  one  thing  which  had  not  been 
faid  a  hundred  times  by  the  laft  American  Secretary,  aod 
which  had  been  faid  for'  the  delafion  of  the  Hoofe  five  yean 
ago ;  the  American  war  was  to  be  continued ;  the  fame 
fyftem  was  to  prevail ;  the  kingdom  was  again  to  be  draioed 
of  men  for  the  fupport  of  it;  and  more  millions  were  to  be 
lavifhed  and  loft  ia  the  pursuit ;  for  to  all  this  ^xprefsij  did 
the  confeilion  of  faith  of  this  new  Minifter  -  go«  It  migk 
have  been  expefted  at  leaft,  that  when  a  new  Minifter  was 
appointed,  at  leaft  a  new  language  would  have  been  held,  if 
no^  a  new  fyftem  adopted ;  but  even  with  this  they  were  not 
gratified  :  Not  one  new  idea,  not  one  new  fentence,  not  one 
new  word;  but  the  felf-fame,  old,  hacknied,  ftale,  and  com- 
mon language  as  ever.  Yes,  there  was  one  new  idea  ftarted, 
and  he  begged  gentlemen  to  attend  to  it.  This  hopefol  oon- 
teft,  though  it  was  to  be  continued,  was  no  more  to  be  coo- 
fidered  as  an  American  war.  Its  locality  was  nothing;  its 
being  carried  on  in  the  Colonies  was  nothing  ;  it  was  now 
converted  into  a  French  war;  this  was  the  only  thing  in 
which  there  was  either  novelty  or  change;  apd  from  the  new 
arrangement  In  office,  this  was  all  that  had  been  produced.- 
A  new  arrangement  had  been  made,  that  a  peerage  might  be 
conferred  on  a  man  who  difmembered  his  country,  that  the 
American  war  might  be  converted  into  a  French  war,  and 
that  an  old  man  might  be  changed  into  a.  new  Minifter,  He 
defied  all  the  world  to  find  another  benefit  from  this  altera- 
tion. The  American  war  was  to  be  confidered  as  a  Frendi 
war ;  and  we  were  to  go  on  perfecuting  the  Americans,  not 
for  the  purpofe  of  reducing  the  Americans  to  obedience  by 
force,  but  for  the  purpofe  of  reducing  the  French.  What 
was  the  abfurdity,  or  rather  what  was  the  wickednefs  of  this 
idea  )  In  the  beginning  of  the  prefent  fei&on,  the  cSq&  which 
the  lofs  of  Earl  Cornwallis's  army  produced,  forced  the  Mi- 
nifters  to  give  affurances  to  the  Houfe  that  they  muft  contnft 
the  fcale  of  the  war,  and  that  it  would  be  conducted,  io  fu- 
ture, on  a  very  different  plan  from  what  it  had  been  :  hcnJ 
then  was  the  executipn  of  this  minifterial  affarance  :  We  will 
no  more  profecute  the  American  war  —  we  will  drop  that 
entirely  —  we  have  no  farther  intention  of  reducing  the  Amc* 
ricans  to  obedience  by  forces  but  —  but -^  here  is  the  to 
miniilerial  diftinftion,  and  the  new  plan  of  delufion;  hat 

A.  1781.  :  D    ERA   1*    E    S.  ^69 

we  muft  prorccute  the  French  war  which  now  rages  iri  the 
fields  of  America.     Did  not  gentlemen 'perceive  at  what  they 
aimed  by  this  new  argument?  Surely  they  muft  fce^  that  un- 
der this  pretext^  every  hoftile  and  offenfive  operation  that  tart 
be  contrived  for  the  diftrcfs  andperfecation  of  the    people 
will  be  continued,  when  they  have  no  longer  the  hope  tb  fub- 
due.     But  haw  did  the  new  Minifter  difcdver  that  the  war  ifi 
America  was  to  be  coniSdered  as  a  war  with  France  ?  Had  he  , 
difcovered  that  the  French  and  Americans  had  etttercd  into 
an  alliance,  and  that  France  had  bound  herfelf  to  fupport  the 
independence  of  the  Colonies?  Whatpfoof  hadheof  this  h&} 
Or  what  intelligence  which  juftified  hint  in'faying^  that  by 
profecuting  the  American  war,  we  fought  againft  France  ? 
Infteajdf  of  making  thereby  a  diverfion  againft  the  eiiemy,  we 
unfortunately  made  a  moft  material  and  injurious  diverfion 
againft  ourfelves  in  favour  of  France;  and  me  would  conti- 
nue that  diverfion  as  long  as  we  pleafed ;  for  it  coft  us  twenty 
thoufand  for  every  thoufand  that  it  coft  them.     But  under 
this  new  name  of  a  French  war  the  Attierican  conteft  was  to 
be  pcrfcvered  in ;  and  from  this  new  Miniftcr  we  were  to  re- 
ceive exa£bly  the  old  fyftem.    The  right  hottonrable  gentle- 
man had  told  the  Houfe  exa£Hy  the  ftory  which  he  had  told 
for  five  years.     He  had  for  a  long  time,  in  an  inferior  order 
of  minifterial  exiflence,  crawled  upon  the  leaves  of  the  Ame- 
rican fyftem;  but,  now,  like  the  caterpillar^  he  had  left  the 
creffilis  ftate,  his  wings  had  broke  from  their  foldings,  and 
now  expanded,  he  took  his  flight ;  but  though  his  appearance 
was  different, 'the  creature  was  the  fame.    Indeed  it  might 
with  truth  be  aflerted,  that  the  late  Secretary  fcJr  the  Ameri- 
can department,  though  called  up  by  a  patent  to  the  other 
Houfe,  was  ftill  to  be  found  in  effigies  in  his  old  feat^    There 
he  fat  with  all  the  plans  of  the  American  war  thick  upon  him. 
The  right  honourable  gentleman  was  the  noble  Lord's  uni- 
verfal  legatee.     On  his  political  death  he  hath  bequeathed  to 
the  right  honourable  gentleman  all  his  plans,  proje£ts,  and 
meafures,  nay,  his  ideas,  language,  and  Words,    all  and  fe^ 
veral  the  partSt  and  parcels  of  the  American  war  he  had  tranf- 
mittedby  his laft  will  and  teftament  to  the  right  honourable 
gentleman,,  who  was  his  heir,  fucceilor,  exceptor,  and  unt- 
verfal  legatee ;  not  one  fcrap  had  he  fuiFered  to  go  into  other 
hands,  but  all  had  devolved  on  this  new  Minifter,  and  he  ftill 
fpoke,  lived,  and  afted  in  that  Houfe,   as  heretofore,  only 
he  had  gone  into  the  (hape  of  the  right  honour<ible  gentle- 
man.    The  right  honourable  gentleman,  before  he  had  been 
Vol.  VI.  N  n  jnany 

270  •     PARCtAMENTARY  A.1781. 

infaoy  days,  nay  ntany  boats  among  them  in  his  sew  capa* 

ciry^  had  thought  fo  meanly,  or  fo  ignorantly  of  the  fenfe  and 

dignity  of  Parhamciit,  as  to  believe  that  they  would  fofier 

ibis  infult  of  going  on  wkh  the  American  war  under  a  new 

nanK.    Though  he  wu  a  new  minifter,  be  was  an  old  mem- 

ber,  and  he  ought  to  have  known  and  felt  more  re^pedfully 

and  juftly  of  parliament;  What !  at  this  day,  after  a  fcvea 

years  experience  of  ^e  abfnrdifiy  and  impraf^iicabTlity  of  tlie 

cpntefty  to  be  told  that  we  wene  to  go  on  1    Not  one  n^^ 

nor  tattered  fragniMt  of  an  excule  to  cover  the  dc;figo  ;  ^it, 

at  leaft,  if  men  were  to  he  feduced^  there  mi^t  iieiiie  grace 

of  deluiion  in  the  bofinds ;  no  cover,  no  dti|pife--N.  none  but 

the  miferaUe  and  ridiculous  ftratagem  of  giving  a  new  name 

to  the  old  ftory.    The  dieat  vas  itoo  paltry  to  fsift  even  upon 

Parliament^  much  Icfs  00  ibe  icfkrmg  and  bnrthoned  peo|4e, 

whom  it  was  ultimately  to  affeCb»    That  he  was  right  in  af* 

feni^g,  that  the  right  honourable  gentleman  was  the  oniver- 

fal  legatee  of  tlie  noble  Lord,  was  evident  from  thas,  he  had 

fucceedcd  to  his  hopes,  to  his  intelligence,  to  bis  knowledge 

of  our  numerous  friends, in  America,  to  Jib total  ignoiance 

of  every  thing  that  tended  li:>  peaces    He  had  ikid,  tibat  he 

'    had  great  and  good  reafoa  to  bdieve,  and  to  be  perfiiaded  that 

w.e  had  many  and  numerous  friends  in  America*    He  did  bo: 

know  it,  he  bad  no  petfocial  knowledge  x>f  diefiaft;  be  had 

only  good  afid  fubftantial  reafons  to  believe  it*    The  faA  was 

plain,  the  right  honourable  gentleman  waa  already  in  pofleifi- 

on  of  all  %hfi  n0ble  Lord*s  refugees  ;  .  feventyttwo  tbouiand 

pounds  iVMOiTtlth  of  refugees  bad  come  to  htm  as  part  of  the  io- 

jierkanoe.*    Qh  !  exdatmed  Mr.  Burke,  that  we  could  only 

come  ^  the  hftppy  moment  when  Minifters  would  be  pleafed 

£hai]itabjy  to  forbear  the  name  of  our  friends  in  Anierica«    It 

nvas  oiw  ftriends  in  Amerka  that  had  done  us  all  the  mifchief. 

^^ry  calamity  of  the  war  had  arifen  from  our  friends  ;  aad 

if  fuch  were  to  be  Ofur  frieods,  hewillied;  to.  God  that  nt 

rnigh^  he^r  of  them  no  Qiore.    When  eidiaufbed  and  £amiib- 

ing,  jbad  pur  frieods  aiOfted  u^}  Had  they^'brought  us  afia- 

gle  WU^^  afinglefouibelof  lndian«orn?  Had  they  affiflcd 

ys  in  <^vy  one  fb^^  or  way  ?   Np  :  they  had  draarn  us  in  the 

fxort![i  tp  ^ratoga ;  and  in  t^e  foitth  to  Vorkrtoww.     What 

did  itl\f  J^<?noi3fable  g^iKlen^«Q  nifeao  by  bia  hoidij^  out  tk 

del«i^(HJi'lpf  ilDpre  frt,e«id^?    Did  he  recolk£lv  or  did  he  thidc 

of  the  loib  article  of  the  laft  capiiulatiofi  i   Oc  did  be  mem 

to  makeotbcr  90th  articles  for-  the  pm'pofe  of  giving  np  what 

fevjr  im^is  WjB  Qii^t  ftill  have  left  ^ .  The  right  honourable 


A.  1782.  DEBATES.  271 

gentleoian  alfo  had  hopes  of  fucccfs.  After  all  our  calami- 
ties, aifto  having  found  by  experience,  that  when  We  had 
only  Amevica  to  oppofe,  we  were  unequal  to  the  redudion  ; 
now  that  we  had  frcfti  acceffions  of  enemies,  nay,  that  wc 
bad  the  moft  powerful  in  the  univerfe  to  oppofc,  he  had  rea- 
fon  to  entertain  hopes,  Miferable  hopes !  What  had  the 
American  war  produced  f  What  but  peerages  and  cala- 
mities ?  What  but  InfuUs  and  titles  ?  Was  there  any  thing 
to  give  hope?  O  yes,  we  muft  not  only  have  hope,  but  con- 
fidence in  Minifters,  Confidence  !  could  we  have  confidence 
in  the  men  who  iKU  determined  to  profecute  this  mad  and 
impolitic  war  ?  It  was  irapoflible.  Could  we  have  confidence 
in  this  new  Miniftcr,  who  feemed  determined  to  tread  in  the 
footfteps  of  bis  predeceifor  ?  He  had  heard  nothing  of  propo- 
fitioqs  of  peate.  He  had  found  no  traces  of^  any  thing  like 
ncgociation  for  peace  in  his  office :  Oh!  no.  There  was  no 
reaibn  to  expe£t  any  thing  of  that  fort  in  the  office  of  his  pre- 
deceifor;  or  if  there  was,  he  dared  to  fay  that  it  lay  hidden 
and  concealed,  \m\th  the  right  honourable  gentleman  had 
taken  the  trouble  to  make  particular  inquiries  of  the  principal 
people  in  the  office,  whether  or  not  there  were  any  papers  in 
the  place  relating  to  propofitions  of  peace. — But  it  was  not 
the  temper  of  the  noble  Lord  to  cheriJh  any  thing  of  that 
fort.  But  furely  the  new  Minifler  muft  know,  that  there 
bad  been  proportions  of  peace  made  under  an  a£t  of  Parlia- 
ment, by  the  Commiflioners  fent  from  this  country  ;  and, 
for  the  porpofcof  fhewing  that  the  noble  Lord,  who  had  lately 
gone  up  to  the  other  Houfe,  after  feeing  thofe  propofitions 
made  in  the  moment  of  his  abfurd  hope,  that  is,  in  the  very 
moment  of  afiual  diftrefs,  not  only  forgot,  but  cxprefsly 
contradifted  the  qfFcrs  that  were  made.  The  honourable 
gentleman  read  eictrafts  of  a  letter  from  Lord  George  Ger- 
main, now  Lord  Sackville,  to  a  gentleman  m  America,  in-  , 
which  he  r^c^tmrnended  to  him,  in  fettling  with  fuch  as  might 
be  inclined  to  return  to  their  allegiance,  to  reprefs  the  re- 
publican fpirit,  and  to  adhere  clofely  to  the  old  conftitutions. 
The  honourable  gentleman  faid,  thatjthe  knomept  of  our  ruin 
in  Ameiica  was  the  fcafon  of  his  Kbpe.  He  had  indulged 
cxpeftatJons  of  fuccefs  fo  ill-founded  and  fallacious,  that  ia 
the  very  inftant  when  he  formed  and  retailed  them,  the  fe- 
rious  plan  for  our  deftrpAion  was  formed,  (ind  beginning  to 
be  put  in  execution.  The  honourable  gentleman,  to  Ihew 
this  fingular  faft,  read  feveral  cxtrafts  of  letters  from  the  late 
American  Secretary  to  Sir  Henry  Clinton,  and  others  of*his 

H  n  Z  confidential 

i-jT,  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  178a, 

confidential  corrcrpondcots,  dated  in  the  months  of  January, 
February,  and  March,  laft  year,  in  which  he  informed  him, 
that  all  was  pcrfcflly  fafc  in  France,  there  was  nothing  to. 
be  cxpcfted  from  that  quarter,  and  therefore  he  planned  and 
fuggcfted  another  expedition  like  that  oif  General  Btir^oync, 
to  he  performed  by  General  Haldioian,  from  Canada,  juft  at 
the  lime  when  Pc  Graffc  failed  from  Breft  with  the  arma- 
ment which  captured  the.  army  of  Earl  Cornwallis  at  York- 
Town.  In  the  month  of  February  1781,  he  knew  nothing 
of  the  armament  which  failed  on  the  7th  of  March.  In  the 
month  of  February  he  ordered  a  new  expedition,  that  another 
army  might  fufFer  the  difgrace  of  a  furrcnder.  He  received  l 
all  his  American  intelligence  from  France,  and  his  French  ' 
intelligence  from  Anierica.  He  recommended  to  Sir  Henry  ' 
Clinton,  at  ^  timp  when  the  exchanges  of  prifoaers  were  flopt, 
to  fend  the  American  prifoners  to  tjic  Weft-Indies,  to  recruit 
our  regiments  there,  ^^  becaufe  there  was  a  great  mortality 
**  reigned  among  them  in  that  intemperate  clinaatc.*'  This 
was  the  way  which  he  labourecTto  regain  the  fcattered  affec- 
tions of  America,  This  was  the  way  that  he  ftrove  to  con- 
ciliate their  warring  difpofitions,  and  bring  them  to  loyalty 
and  peace.  This  was  the  plan  and  conduct  of  this  war,  from 
which  he  had  retired  with  the  diftingnifliing  reward  of  a. Peer- 
age. *  The  honourable  gentleman,  faid,  it  was  no  fecurity 
to  Parliament  that  the  eftimates  of  the  prefent  year  did  not 
afk  for  a  fpecific  number  of  men  i^'addition,  to  be  fent  to 
Atneric^  for  the  purpofes  of  the  war.  Without  forming  new 
regiments,  let  them  only  fill  up  the , prefent,  and  the  force 
would  be  greater  than  it  had  been  at  any  former  period  of  the 
conteft*  Befides,  it  would  not,  and  it  muft  not  be  affertcd, 
that  Minifters  had  not  got  the  power  at  any  time  ta  increale 
that  number,  by  bringing  before  the  Houfe  frcfh  demands. 
With  refpeft  tqthe  poflcffion  of  ppfts  in  America,  for  the  pur- 
ppfe  of  carrying  on  a  war  witl^  France,  or  of  taking  the  ad- 
vantage of  contingencies,  they  could  only  be  valuable,  when, 
by  their  natural  itrength,  they  might  be  occupied  by  a  few 
.  xpen,  that  they  might  have  the  opportunity  of  detachings 
great  many  from  them  m^  adlual  fervice ;  and  be  called  upon 
the  Houfe, to  fay,  whether  thepofts  of  New  York,  Charles- 
town  and  Halifa:^,  were  pofls  of  this  kind,  or  pofts  which 
CO  Id  produce  any  other  thai;^  tjiat  iimple  and  curiou$  one,  d 


*Thcfe  letters  arc  inferted  in  Ouf  Lords  Debates,  Vol.  YH.  page  i:  J 


A.  178?*  D    E    B    A    T  .  E    S.  273 

waitiug  to  take  advantage  of  Gootlngencies.  No  contingen- 
cies, he  faid, ,<:ouy  poffibly  arife  favourable  to  this. country 
while  the  prefent  fyftem  was  poffued. 

Mr.  jldam  confidered  himfelf  |he.n  in  a  very  different  light  Mr.  Adam, 
from  vvhat  he  had  appeared  48  hours  before  :  in  the  laft  de- 
bate, he  was  cxercifing  his  judicial  authority,  veiled  in  him  as 
a  member  of  Parliament,  by  the  conftitutiori^  in  fcruiinizing 
the  paft  conduct  of  a  minifter;  but  this  night  \\t  was  called 
upon  to  aflt  in  a  very  different  capacity,  in  a  capacity  which 
he  did  not  derive  frorp.the  conftitution,  namely,  that  of  ad- 
viling,  or  rather  pointing  out  the  different  meafurps,   which 
the  executive  power  was  then  to  purfue ;  this  he  held  to  be 
unconftitutional ;  for  the  Houfe  of  Commons  muft  becon- 
yerted  into  a  Privy  Council,  and  a  council  without  grounds 
or  documents  to  go  by,    to  dirtft  the  Crown  ;  this  was  gn- 
conflitutional,  for  by  the  conftitution,  the  Houfe  had  an  in- 
difputable  right  to  e^^amine  into  the  paft ;  but  they  could  not 
dictate  the  meafures  to  be  adopted,  without  encroaching  on 
the  rights  of  the  exeputivc  power.     Gentlemen  feemed  appre- 
heniive,  left  the  army  in  America  fliould   be  recruited  up  to 
the  full  complement,  pr  number  ftated  upon  paper;  but  he 
thovight  the  charaftcr  of  Sir  Guy  Carleton,  who  was  to  com- 
ipand  that  army,  took  away  all  grounds  for  fuch  apprehen- 
lions.     That  officer  was  extolled  on  <\U  fides  for  his  great  mi- 
litary abilities:  his  talents  were   acknowledged  to  be  of  the 
firft  magnitude,  both  in  offfsnfive  and  defepfiye  war;  but  ftill 
if  there  was  any  one  part  of  ihe  military  profefiion  in  which 
be  excelled  more  than  in  another,  it  was  undoubtedly  in  de- 
fcnfive  war,  of  whiph  he  had  given  fo  brilliant  a  proof  at 
Quebec,  where  he  had' acquired  immortal  honour  by   the 
gallant  and  judicious  defence  he  made,  and  the  fignal  fuccefs 
he  obtained  over  the  enemy.     It  was  therefore  ipoft  proba- 
ble that  a  defenfive,  and  not  an  ofFenfive,  war  was  the  objeft 
gf  the  minifters,  wl]ohad  appointed  Sir  Guy  Carleton. 

liOrd  Sh(ffieid  WSL^  againfl  the  motion,  and  urged  that  it  Lord  sW, 
^outd  be  iippoljtic  to  withdr?iwour  troops  from  America,  as  field. 
the  Aiperican§  then  might  annoy  our  Weft-India  iflands.  He 
f^id  he  did  not  clearly  underftand  the  motion ;  he  knew  not 
how  we  could  fcparate  the  war  with  America  from  the  war 
yrith  J^ ranee ;  or  how  we  could  talk  of  maintaining  a  war  of 
poAs  without  intending  to  make  it  a  wa,r  of  offence.  If  we 
had  not  a  force  in  America  which  (hould  be  able  to  a£l  as 
qcc^^on  n?i§ht  rcauirc^  we  muft  lofe  every  poft  in  detail  from 


-^74  PARLIATWENTARY  A.  1782. 

river  St.  Lawrence  to  the  Cape  of  Florida.  We  muft  either 
fight  France  in  America,  dr  we  tnaft  figlit  her  in  the  weft, 
in  the  eaft,  or  at  hoipe,  in  the  rich  fields  of  Britain. 
Mr.  Wii-  Mr.  fVilherforce  was  much  in  favour  of  the  motion,  and 
Wrfurcc.  declared,  that  whi)e  the  prefent  miniftry  exifted,  there  Were 
no  pfofpeSs  of  either  peace  or  happVneft  to  this  kingdom.-^ 
He  faid,  it  tended  to  hold  out  wife  advice  and  direflion  ta 
miniflers  for  their  future  conduft,  refpefting  the  AmericaD 
war;  their  career  hitherto  had  rather  refembled  the  career  of 
furious  madden  than  the  n^ceiTariljr  vigorous  aiid  prudent 
exertions  of  able  flatefmen.  He  declared,  from  a  part  of 
what  the  new  Secretary  had  faid,  he  began  to  fufpcft,  what 
a  fubfequcnt  part  of  hi»  fpeech  had  fully  confirmed  in  his 
mind,  viz.  that  it  was  intended  to  purfue  the  ruinous  war  in 
the  former,  cruel,  bloody,  impraSicable  manner. 
Mr.Tho.  Mr.  T.  T*fmnjhtnd  {^\.^  likewife  very  ftrongly  in  favour  of 
Townfliend  tjje  motion ;  it  had  been  thrown  out  in  the  debate,  he  faid, 
that  it  was  not  now  an  American  war,  but  u  French  war ; 
that  America  was  become  dependent  on  France,  that  France 
had  conquered  America ;  what  then  could  be  inferred,  but 
that  France,  with  3400  men  in  America,  had  done  more  than 
England  had  with  73,oco  ? 
Mr.  Turner  Mr.  C.  Twrw^r  faid,  that  the  people  of  England,  efjpecially 
the  poorer  fort,  were  (0  reduc:d  by  the  American  war,  that 
the  farmers  in  the  country  were  glad  to  fell  their  corn  as  faft 
as  they  could  thrafli  it,  merely  to  fupport  themfelves.  He 
declared  that  he  differed  from  thofe  \yho  looked  to  Parliament 
for  the  falvaiion  of  the  nation  ;  he  had  trufled  to  them  too 
long;  and  the  only  falvation  now  lay  on  the  people,  whom 
he  would  join  On  the  firft  occafion. 
Colonel  Colonel  Barre  moved,  before  they  proceeded  any  farther 

*'^'  on  a  fubjeft  of  fuch  importance,  that  the  petition  from  the 
city  of  Briftql,  lying  on  their  table,  might  l^  read,  vrhich  be- 
ing complied  with,  ne  faid,  the  many  burdens  and  grievous 
oppreffions  which  it  was  ftated  that  ^reat  trading  town  la- 
boured under,  by  this  deftruftive  and  pernicious  Ameriaa 
war,  were  not  peculiar  to  it;  they  were  common  to  the 
whole  kingdom ;  he  was  confident  the  city  of  London  hsd 
fimilar  fentiments  with  regard  to  the  war,  and  the  reafon  ihst 
their  table  was  not  loaded  from  all  parts  with  petitions  of  the 
like  nature  with  that  juft  read,  was,  that  the  nation  did  not 
look  up  to  Parliament  with  that  rcfpeft  which  they  were  for- 
merly wont  to  do ;  they  had  fallen  into  contempt  in  the  eyes 
of  the  public;  and  that^,  and  that  alon^  was  the  caufe  that 


A,  I782,  DEBATES  275 

complaiiHs  of  the  diftrcflfes,  hcavf  burdens,  aitd  into!erable 
hardfhips  which  the  nation  enAired,  did  not  potfr  iti  from 
every  quarter.     An  hooonrable  gentleman  had  fkid,  ,that  this 
mode  of  addreittng  the  .Crown  was  unprecedented.    Good 
God  !  Sir,  faid  he,  the  (knatfon  of  out  country  is  unprcce- 
iknted  ;  and  is  this  ^  tithe^  when  the  nation  is- verging  on 
abfolutc  ruin,  to  fearch  for  precedehtt  to  warrarit  us  in  thofe 
meafures  which  may  iirert  that  dcftruftion.      From  what 
has  fallen  from  the  ne^  Secretary  of  State,  he  could  {)lairtly 
pwceivc  that  the  fanac  wretched  argumeitt  and  folly  which 
h JkJ  hitherto  prdriiotied  and  carritd  on  thc^  accudexl  lyar,  ftill 
influenced  the  cbhduft  of  triimflers ;  he  faid,  we  had  many 
friends  in  America,  and  it  would  be  cruel  to  abandon  thcnt 
to  the  mercilefs  hahds  of  the  Congrefs.    It  was  an  entire 
delufion  ;  w^  had  ho  friends  in' America  ;  and  minifterihad 
Jieen  duped  into  thfe  idea  of  the  cotitrary  by  the  mifrcpre- 
fentations  and  faffehoods  told  them  by  Refuge6s  here*    From 
their  cf roneouymSfihfbtmation  we  itught  chiefly  attribute  our 
^fafters  in  Aitt^iea.    To  conti-adift  their  lyitfg^^  reports  to 
goremmeiit,  we  necdtfd  orily  reftrto  Lortf  CortiwaUis's  pu^ 
Wie  letters.    Tti'tttem'-hetolclus^  he'mctnpncof  ihofemany 
loy«4ifts  he  was  made  to  believe  he  ftioold  ra  North  Cjaroiina^ 
a  province  ifl  which- he  Wood  ttioft  in  heed  pf  them  ;  in  hi^ 
march  throughoXit  alinoft  thd' whole  province,"  be  fardf,  he 
found    Aem irmed  friends  and  inveterate  enemjes.      Did 
this  language  dfcfidttf  loyalty  ?  .  'Were  thefe  the^numfeyatis 
friends  aiidwarm-ailvocates  for ^thS^  country,  that  MEinifteri 
were  fo'mtgfa^y  tfrnder  of  defertirig  ?  However,  his  Lordfhip 
bei©g  beteSitated,  through  want  of  pit)vtfions  aiid'  other  cir- 
cumftaifices,    lb  iihair«i  to  Wilniingten,   lie  there  fotjrtd  i 
numticT'of  Amcricaiis  a'flfembjmg,  Hot  for  the  purpofe  of 
armiilgj  as^touldbefalfely  infitiuated,  but  merely  to  fee  that 
gallant  General  "fLbrd  Cormvaflis]  who  .  had  fo  Vepeatedl^' 
beaten 'GcBerafGre^h  ;  ihd  asfoori'  as  this  fight  Was  bver,    . 
and  they  paid' their  addrcffes  to  his  Lordfhip,  they  retire^ 
with  afr  great*  ex'pedfiiwr' out  ojF  the  town  as  thtjT  made  rti 
coming  in  :  and 'he  had  it.  from  very  gbod  authority, '  fuch  a^ 
could  not  be  doubtea,/that  ILor^' Cornwallis  could  nor,  with 
every  perfukfibn'  in  iiis  poWerj '  prevail  on  even  an  hundred 
men  to^  arm.  thcmfelVes  ;in  his  fupport.     From  this  account 
df  the  difpofition  of  the  Americau!^,  muft  not  every  tnaii,  en-, 
dued  .with' atiy  degree  oK  rcafofl,  fee  the  impradicsibility  of 
fubdumg  Anlcticaiiy  ft>rce. 

276  PARI^IAMENTARY'  A.  178^* 

la  the  next  place,  if  it  was  meant  to  be  made  a  waro( 
pofts,  our  forces  were  too  numerous,  and  a  fmaller  number 
would  anfwer  the  end  as  efFcAually,  and  the  reft  might  be 
employed  with  vaft  advantage  to  the  nation  elfewhere  ;  there- 
fore, when  he  faw  no  fuch  plan  in  agitation,  but  on  the  con* 
trary,  that  there  were  more  regiments  and  forp^s  to  be  feat 
to  augment  our  armies,  he  muft  naturally  conclude  the  war^be  carried  on  as  extenfively  as  ever,  nor  was  he  the  lets 
convinced  of  this  circumilance,  from  what  an  honotirable 
gentleman  faid,  that  the  eftimates  on  the  ^ble  proTed  incofl- 
tefiably  that  the  war  was  not  to^be  carried  on  on  fo  large  a 
fi:ale  as  heretofore.  The  edimates,  in  his  opipion,  could  af- 
ford no  certainty  whatfoever  of  the  defigns  of  governraent, 
for,  to  purfue  their  favouritq  plan,  they  might  fend  the  army 
from  Ireland,  they  might. A^nd  the  army  froni  England,  and 
therefore,  without  fomedireft  confeffion  of  3411)1  nlftratioo, 
that  they  do  not  intend  continuing  ari  oiFenfiye  war  in  Ame- 
rica, .they  were  as  liberty  to  aft  i^ow  as  they  were 
^t  the  firft  day.  To  fhew  the  deceit  and^.t^e  incoQfiileDcy 
that  Minifters  had  (hewn  in  the  vdiole  courfe  of  this  war, 
with  the  permiilion  of  thf  Houfe^  he  would  ;tead  a  paper, 
wrote  by  the  Secretary  {Sir  (jrey.Copper]  of  the  noble  Lord 
5n  the  blue  ribbon,  and  at.  bis  exprefs  defire,  in  order  to  Ik 
ihewed  to  the  Congrefs.  It^  mentioned^ ,  after  Hating  feveral 
particulars  of  the  power, of  this  nation,  and  the  .great  difad- 
vantages  thai  would  atten^l  th^  perfeyec^n99r,o£  America  la 
this  war^  that  fo  high  jii^a^.the  Q>irit  of  the/naj^ion,  .  that  Mi- 
^ifters  had  not  innuence  to  procure  them  any  condeffioDS 
from  Parliament,  -  if  they  were  inclined  to  itever  fo  much ;  1 
and,  at  the  very  fame  time  tha^  this^papeV  was  ^rotc  for  Ae  io- 
fpe^iop  of  Congrefs,  the  noble  Lford  propof^  to  this  Houfe 
offers  for  a  reconciliation' with  the  Cc^nies.,  Then,  was  it 
poilible  \o  Ivppofe,  that  America,  who  had  feen  fo  much  do- 
plicity  in  the  conduft  of  the  fervants  of  the  Crown,  woulti 
ever  have  faith  in  any  proportions  which  might  origioate 
from  thcni.  without  they  had  a  confirmatioo  of  the  finctritr 
of  their  wifhes  by .  a  vote  of  this  Houfc,  for  which  purpok: 
he  thought  the  acfdrefs .  moved  by  the  honourable  Gcncnl 
well  ca]culate,<J,  and  it  had  therefore  his  hearty  concurrence. 
The  Secre.  ^^^  Sfcretary  at  IVar^  [M^*.  Jenkinfon]  remarked,  that  if 
ury  at  War.  an  end'  to  the  American  war  was  what  gentlemen  wilhed  for, 
the  withdrawing  our  forces  would  by  no  means  have  thatcf- 
feft  ;  for  America,  when  j[he  had  no  force   in  that  countrr 

to  cope  withy  would  certainly  attack  u$  in  her  turn  ;  fo  dut 


A,i782,   '  DEBATES*  277 

we  ihould  ftill  have  an  American  war ;  belides,  her  porti 
would  be  open,  and  would  ever^  day  encreafe  in  Wealth  and 
power,  a  circumftance  this  nation  fnould  tife  theit  utmoft 
endeavours  to  preverif.  He  faid,  gentlemen  wifhed  to  be  in- 
formed what  government  meant  by  War  of  pofts.  ^  His  idea 
was,  that  we  were  to  keep  ho  regular  army  in  the  field,^  but  irt 
keeping  thofe  pofts  we  h^d,  we  might  add  others  to  thenl 
whenever  they  (hould  be  found  advantageous  to  us,  thus  af- 
fording us  the  means  of  attacking  the  enemy  if  an  oppor-* 
tunity  ferved  of  doing  it  with  fuccefs ;  he  ftid  the  addrcfa 
now  moved  for  was  not  explicit  enough,  the  terms  of  it  were 
too  obfcure,  nor  could  he  fee  any  poflible  benefit  could  ariib 
from  it,  if  he  did,  it  ihould  have  his  warmeft  fupport. 

Mr.  Fox^  in  a  mpftablefpfeech,  expofed  the  duplicity  Qf^'»^o«» 
minifters.  He  (lid  he  was  happy  to  find,  on  a  late  occafion, 
two  hundred  nineteen  honeft,  independent  men.  If  the  peo- 
ple would  only  confider  the  vaft  number  of  contraftors  and 
placemen,  that  unworthily  and  unjuflly  had  feats  in  that 
Houfe,  they  muft  confider,  that  a  majority  of  nineteen,  for 
a  Minifter,  was,  in  faft,  a  minority,  as  it  proved  itioft  clear- 
ly and  unequivocally  that  the  voice  of  the  people  were  un- 
doubtedly againft  him.  He  was  exceeding  fevere  on  admi* 
niftration,  and  was  glad  to  find  that  he  had  difcovered  who 
thai  evil  fpirit  was  that  cobduded  all  our  mifchiefs ;  }t  was 
a  peribn  higher  than  the  noble  i.ord  in  the  blue  ribband  ;  for 
the  noble  Lord  waa  only  his  puppet,  and  afted  as  he  was  told. 
The  right  honourable  gentleman  had  fpoke  out*  He  now 
xinderllood  what  was  meant.  He  would  take  the  word  of  a 
principal.  The  other  perfonis  on  the  fame  bench  with  the 
right  honourable  gentlcmah,  though  -oftenfible  minifters, 
were  only  feCondary  kind  of  beings  compared  to  hiiii.  That 
infernal  fpirit  that  really  ruled,  and  had  fo  nearly  ruined  this 
country,  which  was  much  greater,  though  not  fo  vifibl6,  :£s 
'Miniftets  had  fpoken  through  the  right  honourable  gentle^ 
man's  mouth.  He  faid,  it  was  now  evident,  that  the  war  was  ^ 
to  be  purfued  in  America  in  the  fame  mad  manner  in  which 
it  had  been  conduced  hitherto.  He  talked  of  the  diftinSioii 
of  carrying  on  a  war  with  America,  and  ih  America,  and  ' 
faid,  every  body  had  hoped  from  what  bad  fallen  from  a 
learned  Lord,  and  the  noble  Lord  in  the  blue  ribband  before 
the  holidays,  that  thi, war -ir\  future  was  only  to  bccontinjaed 
with  America,  and  not  in  America.  But  the  right  honoura- 
ble gcntlemah*8  explanation  of  the  fort  of  WJ^r  of  ppfts  to  be 
adopted,  had  fully  convinced  him»    He  declared,  if  the  Icar- 

Vot:  VL  Oo  *     nc4. 

47^  PARLIAMENT  A'RY  A.  i7?i 

ned  Lord  did  not  vote  for  the  prefeat  motion,  what  he  had 
faid  before  the  holidays  would  bear  the  cbnttruftioft  of  bavrng 
aiifen    from  perfonal  animofity,    otherwife   how     wks    his 
fpeaking  againft  one  roiniftcr,   and  fupporting  another  foe 
purfuing  the  fame  meafores  in  the  fame  inadner,  to  be  ac- 
counted for  ? 
TKeSecre-       Thc  Secretary  at  fFtir  rofc  and  explained  what  he  hSid  &id, 
at  War.       idifavovving  his  being  animated  by  any  fpirit  but  his  own. 
Lord  North.      Lord  I^orth  faid|  the  condud  pf  gentlemen  in  oppolitioQ 
was  of  the  moft  urtaccountable  nature.    They  were  con- 
ftantly  calling  on  hin^  for  information  in  refpeiS  to  this  ad^ 
that  meafure,  and  yet  in  the  very  fame  brea'th  they  (aid>  they 
would*  not  give  the  fmaReft  credit  to  a  word  he  faltered. 
This  conduct,  he  faid  was  a  paradox  ;  it  was  ct>ntradi£lorY 
hhd  puerile.     Such  inconfifiient  inve^ive  was  the  Urongeft 
proof  that  office,  not  the  meafures  of  the  Miniftcr  was  the 
primary  caulc  of  the  attacks  of  oppoiition.     He  &id,  ht 
viewed  the  Addrefs  in  two  different  lights ;  thVfirft  was,  that 
it  was  meant  by  it  that  we  fliould  withdraw  our  forces  from 
America.     This,  he  underftood,  was  the  conftruClion  put 
on  it  by  fome  of  the  gentlemen  who  fupported  it ;  and  if  fo, 
he  thought  it  a  meafure  highly  improper,  and  big  with  mit- 
chTcf  to  the  nation.    What?  faid  he,  would  you  declare  to 
the  French,  to  Spain,  to  the  Dutch,  that  you  intended  re- 
liocjuifhing  New  York,  Charles-town,  &c.  for  the  (ble  puipofc 
that  they 'may'  render  that  meafure  impraflicable  !   for  the 
moment  you  declare  your  intention,  that  moment  will  they 
ufe  their  utmoft  endeavours  to  fruftrate  it.    feelJdes,  the  Ad* 
drefs  points  out  no  particular  place  We  are  to  cvacuatb  ;  are 
we  to  give  up  Canada,  Halifax,  St.  Auguftine,  and  the  reft 
of  our  poffeffions  in  America  ?  As  to  this,*we  are  Ibft  loully 
in  the  dark.    Minifters  ought  ever  to  take  care  v/bch  the  Ic- 
gi-flature  didates  to  the  executive  power  the  pro{>riety  of 
meafures,  that  their  dire£l ions  Ihould  be  fo  explicit  and  clear, 
that  their  meaning  could  not  be  mifunderfiood';  in  this  cafe 
it  was  the  very  reverffc,  adminlftratlon  was  left  to  judge  of 
an -Addrefs,  which,  from  the  general  manner  in  which  it 
."was  worded,  might  b^ar  feveral  conftrudlions.     If  he  took 
it  in  the  fecond  point  of  view,  by  way  of  advice  to  roioif- 
ters/he  muft  confider  it  as  quite  ufelefs,  for  he  Was  convinced 
'fhere  was  not  a  fervant  of  the  Crown  that  did  not  as  anxioully 
wifli  for  peace  as  anv   member  whatfoevcr.  ^This  they  had 
demonftrated  by  the  frequent  commifEons  they  had  prciturcd 
to  be  fent  odt  for  that  purpofc  :  and  as  to  what  an  honoura- 

^  -     blc 

A.  17821,  D    E'   B    A  ,T    E    S.  ?79 

bl^e  gentleman  fs^d  of  th^  duplicity  of  uiinifters,  in  regard  tq 
^Ae  paper  wrote  by  Sir  Grey  Cooper,  ijiftead  of  r^^oppd-* 
ing  to  his  difcredft^  it  wa^  the  very  ftrpngeft,^  and  njoft  • 
convincing  proof,  that  could  be  adduced,  thj^t  hii  in-  ' 
clinatiq^  alvvays  led  hirq  tp  peace  with  America,  He  i^uft 
declare,  notv^iihftanding  all.  that  gentlemen,  who,  on  every 
pccafjon^  oppofcd  government,  had  f^id  to  the  contrary,  that 
the  beft  method,  and  the  likelieft  to  be  attended  witl^  advann 
ta^e  to  the  fta^e  would  be,  whenever  they  found  the  princi- 
ples of  minifters  clafhed  wiih  thoft  of  Parliament,  to  addrefi 
bis  Maj^fty  for  their  removal,  he  was  fure  It  would  be  more 
decept  than  the  method  now  before  the  Houfe.  It*  had  been 
ohferved  that  it  was  wrong  at  this  crifis  to  fend  put  a  Gcn.cral, 
whofe  military  ability,  bravery,  and  zeal  for  this  countryj^ 
was  acknowledged  by  ^very  one  who  had  the  honour  of 
knowing  him  ;  and  yetthefe  very  fame  ge^ritlemen,  who  con-5 
demned  this  meafure,  were  the  fa.  ft  to  complain  of  the  d?in- 
ger  New  York  {a  pou  6f  fuch  impbrtance  to  this  nation)  w^Sf 
in  of  beine  attacked  by.  the  united  force  of  France  and  Ame- 
rica  :'  if  the  cafe  was  as  flared  by  then^,  did'  there  ever  exifl;. 
at  any  time  a  greatpr  neceffity  of  employing  an  able,  gallani 
officer  than  at  Uiis  pfefent,  particularly  as  Sir  Henry  Cliqton 
had  ciefir^d  .to  be  recalled,  and  Lord  Comwallis,  who  was 
fecond  in  command,  in  a  fitua-ion,  at  the  prefent  moment, 
rot  capable  of  fucqeeding  him;  and  of  cc3^urfe,'if  Sir  Guy 
Carleton  was  not  to  go  to  Americaj^  ii  (P^jft devolve  p.n  a  fof 
reigp  gepera^  who  was  the  third  in  com'manc|,  * 

Lord  Afahon  faid  he  could  account  fpr  the  re?^l  c^ufe  of.tlic  LordMa^ 
American  war.  His  Lprdftiip  then  read  an  cxtraft  from  the  ^^"* 
<leclaration  of  the  Unitecj  Colonies  of  America,  fettingfprth 
the  caufes  arnd  the  neceflity  of  their  taking  up  arms  ;  9nd 
his  Lordfliip  declared,  that  the  Earl  of  CJjatham  had  allured 
hipi  that  the  fenti^nents  pxprcfled  in  that  paper  did  him  much 
.  honour  ;  but,  faid  n is  I^ordfliip,  they  (the  CongrefsJ  are  ill 
aidviled  ;  for  this  fholclmg  the  page  in  his  hand)  is  a  fin  which 
never  will  be  forgiven'.'  This  paper  arid  the  paffage  in  par* 
ticular  to  which  he  referred,  was  the  declaration,  that  the 
fyftem  purfued  by  th^  government,  m  dire£l  oppofitidn  to  the 
plan  and  advice,  of  Lord  Chatham,  was  the  caufe  of  their 
difcont^rjts.,         .         ., 

'Xl^GHon.lV^PUtf^pkcyivhh  his  ufual  eloquence  on  the  jhe hoik, 
niotion,  and  urged"  the '■neceffity  of  puttfng  a  J'peedy^cnd  to  W.  Pitt. 
the  war.     It  had  been,  he  faid,  remarked  in  the  debate  by  the 
new  Secretary,  that  to  make  peace  with  the  Americans,  \ou 

O  o  2  muft 

a8o  PARLIAMENTARY.  A.  17S1. 

tnuft  make  theui  feel  the  calamities  of  war.  Surely  wc  ought 
to  pay  feme  refpeflt  to  the  calamities  of  our  conftitaents  at 
home,  they,  he  would  be  bound  to  fay^  felt  all  the  calami- 
ties of  w^r. 

Mr.  Smith..  Mr.  Smith  (fon  of  the  General)  fpol;e  with  much  diffidence, 
but  eiftremely  to  thcpurpofe,  and  in  favour  of  the  motion. 

ThaJLonl        The  Lord  Advocate  rofe   to  anfwer  a  part  of  Mr.  Fox's 

AdvoQute.  fipetchy  which  was  fuppofed  to  accufe  him  of  condemning  in 
Lord  Germain  what  he  approved  in  Welbore  Ellis,  and  was 
againft  the  motion. 

Mr.  B#ok8.  Mr.  Banks  was  much  in  favour  of  the  motion,  and  Ihcwed 
that  it  was  triily  cphftitutional  for  that  Houfe  to  interfere, 
and  the  only  proper  naeans  of  bringing  about  the  defircd  ob- 
jeft,  peace  with  America. 

Mr.  Th©-        Mr,  Thomas  Pitt  was  in  favour  of  the  motion,  and  traced 

mas  Pit^  the  American  war  with  much  accuracy  and  precifion,  as  well 
as  the  different  conduft  of  the  Miniftcr  at  periods 
of  it. 

Mr.Povys.  Mr.  J^tcoj^i  moved,  that  the  Journals  of  the  Houfe  on  the 
6th  of  Februarv,  1775,  be  read,  which  was  done,  fhewing 
the  addrefs  to  his  Majefty  to  profecute  the  American  war; 
he  then  argued  that  it  was  not  now  neceflary  for  the  Houfe  to 
agree  to  the  prefent  motion,  as  they  perceived  that  the  war 
V\ras  no  longer  praftiqable. 

Mr.Rjgby.  M^'  ^kh  ^^^9  ^^  updbubtcdly  Was  of  opinion  fomc  time 
back,  that  the  American  war  was  ajuftone;  he  fiill  conti- 
X^ued  to  think  fo;  but  he  was  alfo  of  opinion,  that  the  com- 
plexion of  the  times  had  altered,  and  that  it  was  no  longer 
prafticahle  to  purfiie  it;  yet  he  fhould  vote  againft  the  pre- 
fent motion,  (although  he  wifhed  for  peace)  as  it  interfered 
with  the  executive  power,  and  left  Miniilers  in  a  lituatioa 
not  knowing  what  to  do, 

Ccnefafl  General  Cqnway  explained  the  nature,  of  the  motion,  and 

69nFayt  faid  it  Was  neceflary  for  the  Houfe  to  come  to  the  refolatioo 
propofed,  as  a  bafis  to  treat  upon,  as  it  would  fhcw  the  world 
that  thp  Houfe  of  Commons  were  in  earneft.  The  right  ho- 
nourable General  revievyed  all  the  arguments  that  had  been 
^  prged  againft  the  motion,  and,  gave  them  clear  and  forcible 

It  being  thpn  two  o'clock  in  the  morning,  ,the  Houfe  di- 
^\i\Qi\  ayes  193;  noes  1 9i^«-*- M^ority^  fpf  continuing  the 
Af»prica^  war^  i,     ' 

4  After 

A.  i78ii.  B    !IE    B    A    T    E    S.  iSi 

After  the  dmfion,  Mr.  Fox  dcfired  to  know  when  the  Mi-  Mr.  Fox. 
ftifter  meant  to  open  his  budget,  and  commenting  very  fe-     .    . 
verely  on  him /or  delaying  it  To  long ;  upon  which 

The  Speaker  informed  him,  that  Lord  North  had  early  in  ThcSpeak- 
the  day  mentioned  his  intention  of  bringing  forward  the  new  ^' 
loan  on  Monday  neKt. 

Lord  North  raid,  he  propofcd  Monday  next  for  the  loan,  Lq^^  ^orth 
but  he  fhould  hot  be  able  to  go  into  the  particulars  of  the  '  , 

tax  that  day,  '     ,     ' 

Colonel  jSarri  faid,  he  was  furpriied  ho^a  Minifter  could  Cpi.  Barrc. 
Jare  behave  in  fo  fcandalous  and  indecent  a  manner  t  after 
having,  by  every  oppreflion,  fcourgcd  th^  people  to  the  laft 
drop  of  blood,  he  wifhed  to  fcourge  that  out  of  them  alfo. 
It  was  fcandalous,  indecent,  and  infnlting,  to  intimate  on  a^ 
Friday,  at  a  time  when  the  Houfewas  thin,  that  he  (hould  pro- 
pofc  his  budget  on  Monday.  -  '  He  abfolutely  had  got  to  fuch  a 
pitch,  that  he  thought  the  Houfc  met  for  nothing  but  to 
grant  taxes/ 

Lord  North  gotup  in  much  warmth,  and  declared  that  he  Lord  North 
fuppofed  the  large  minority  of  that  evening  had  infpired  the 
right  honourable  gentleman  with  courage  to  abufehini;  he 
had  always  held  forth  to  him  fuch  language  as  was  not  de-i 
cent,  ibut  now  he  had  'been  ihfoleht  and  brutal. ' 

f  Here  the  Houfe  was  in  a  cbntinual  roar  of,  to  order,  to 
order;  uponwhrch  the  Speaker  rofcT,  and  after  quieting  the 
clamour  of  the  Houfe  with  much  difficulty,  faid,  undoubtedly 
the  noble  Lord's  words  were  improper,  but, they  muft  be  at^ 
tributed  to  heat,  and  he  was  confident  he  would  apolbgife  to 

the  Hotrfefor  them.]  

Lord  i^ortb  aiked  pardon  of  the  Houfe  for  the  cxprcflions  Lord  North 
he  had  made  ule  of,  but  declared  that  the  words  of  the  right 
honourable  member  had  grated  fo  in  his  ear,  that  he  could 
not  help  rifing  in  fome  warmth;^  to  be  fure  it  was  wrong  in 
faioT,  who  had  been  fo  long  ufed  to  patliamehtdry  abufe,  to  be 
irritated  at  any  thing.  He  could  hear  as  much  as  any  man  : 
and  he  was  certain  the  Houfe  woukl  give  him  credit  when  he  ' 
iaid^   that  he  took  abufe  as  patiently  as  any  man. 

Mr.  Dokinmg,  Mr.  W.Pitt, and  fevcral  others. declared, 
that  tiiey  tkoii^t  a  particular  aind  dillini&  apology  was  due 
to  Cblonel  Barre,  for  the  language  held  out  to  him  by  the  x 
noble  Lord.    '• 

Lord  .M»Wi&  m^e  firft  a  general  apology  to.the  Houfe  for  tor:  North 
wixat  be faa4 f jiid  j  4ibd when  tbi» wasdeclaced by  the  Speaker 


apo.  PARLIAMENTARY         A,  1782. 

.  ...^otbar  members. to  be  iafuificTent,  he.  tnade  ap^polegyy 
withputaayrelerye  or  exception  whatQver*       . 
Col.  Earre.      Colonel  Barri  got  up  aijid  iaiid,  he  in  seoerail  difiecpd  with 
.: ''thcnol>lQ  Lord  in  politics,  apd  defpifed  him  a^  a  Miiuft^i*; 

•  yet  as.fij  privjH5  gentleman  he  efteemed  hipfi,,  Tbc^e  was  a. 
material  difFerence,  he  contended,  in  their  fituation ;  as  a 

.  Minifter^'  hi^.had  a,  right  to  ufe  and  treat  him  with  as  fev^rc 
epithets  a,§  Ps^rliamcntary  form  would  allow :  He  bad  always, 
done  it,  and  be  would  continue  to  do  fo,  as  long^as  be  con- 
.  ... ^jwcd  in.o^f;^.,  JHl^  was  lUe  Minifter  thathf^^pluoged  u? 
into  all  Qur  misfortunes,  be  had  .expencled  t^e  puhtic  treafure 
fhamefMlly,  he  b^ad  made  fraudulent  contra&s,  be  l^ad  rained 
tb?  f«ppir^,  .and  pppreffed  the,  public  to  fuch  a  degifei^y  that 
be  called  upon  the  rooft  polite  part  of  theHonfe  to  tay,  whe- 
ther \lz  coviLd  i)f(^'^'oo  barfh  words  to  exprefs  his  deteft^^tion ; 
yqt^  aUboA^gb  be  w^iisajlowed  this  freedom,,  the  npH?  tiOr4 
\ifi%  DPt^  fo^  w^aj'Waf  ,^  ^!9M  A?^^  V\r^  Lord  of  th^  Trea-. 
fury,  yet  he  fliould  confider  he  was  the  fervant  of  ibe  people, 

.the  f^ryan^  of  xk^x  Houfe,.  an4  qr^c  that  oggbt  to  p(c  genteel 
language  when  he^  wa*  fpeal^iiig  either  of  or  to  a  prjiy^tc  n^em- 
ber  of  that  Houfe.  A^  the  (i{gB^  tiove  \j^  declared,  be  ihould 
be  afo?ipe4  tg  behave  qr  lo-  talk  jiDPf»operly  in  that  Houfe, 
To  the  noble  Lord,  a^  ^  ppvv^^  gentlcnian,  he  wa&  not  in  the 
loaft  difpoi^  ta  ufe  any  Upg5i|age  that  fven  looked  like  rude 
gt  uncivil  language;  leTs  p^  than  to  any  one  niap  Uvin^; 
bPttl^erecef thinly  wt^&,aAsirentialdiflin£l;ioq  between  public 
parliamentary  langgpgej,  ^nd  \\\^  convcrfation  of  private  gen- 
tlemen, W^ftj^v^r  had  bef  n  tbe.QCcafion  of  the  noble  Lord's 
heat,  hei  as  a  member  of  that  Houfe,  bad  w.arr9Qtably 
and  juftiiiably  ^mplained.of  the  noble  Lord^s  coi^duA  as  a 
minifter,  and  ought  the.  nobk  Lord,  for  his  having  done  fo, 

^Q  h^ve  c^llftd  bw  twrutai  rr-r^  ...    ,  • 

Speaker.  ,  The  Spf,qke<  interfered,*  ai?d.  j>^gge4i:  th?,t  ?s  ,tl^e  apology 
i«as  madq  apd  accepted,  the  p^en^iive.  words  might  oo(  be 
repeated,  oprtKe-di:S^i?der  rcviy^d. 

i  I  ^   ^  *. 

■     "■  ■■'     ■■  "■  Felruaifi^.      • 

Mr.  Coke.       Mr.  ^d*/?.infdrnKd  the  IJoufc.  that  he  ww  iiiftrpd<?rf  by 

the  bench  of  jpftikjes  at  theiaft;;^tta.rt]Qr.reinc)ifi^.iQ£^tbecDiuify 

of-  Norfolk,*' 410  propofe.a  r^yif^i  >Qf  the  gaaiQ  Uw^,  which,  in 

.    their  opinion,  ought  to  be  reviewed,  as  they  ftood  in  PCCd  of 

V      very  great  jRincttdrpontfi^    Gomk^infttjcn?  Jb^d-bc^  formcl  ia 

that  coQiity  b^iaftxbt.exQsaiioQ  :Q£:>tbBsljpU«fv0^  had  ;tor 


A.  1)84.  D    E    B    A-  If    E    is.    '  U83 

lives  had  been  loft^  la  ob^dieftce^  therefore^  to  the  inftruc^ 
tlonS  of  fo  r«({>e£table  a  body  of  his  conftkuents^  he  moved, 
that  a  commiitee  be  appointed  to  take  itvto  th^ir  coniideratioa 
thfe  preifent  fti^ie  of  the  game  tews,  and  repojrt  iheir  opinioa 
to  the  Houfer 

Sir  Edward  J^'ey  fecooded  the  motion  :  he  fpoke  ^Ifo  of  Sir  Edward 
parties  itrm'ed  with  fife-arnos:;  a^id  of  the  neceffity  of  revifing  ^^ticy, 
the  ganae  laws. 

.   Mr*  ChaYle^  Turner  exclainied  againft  thofe  laws  as  crtt«l  Mr.Turner. 
'Md  oppVeffiVe  oA  the  poor :  .h^  &id  it  Was  a  fhaoie  that  th^ 
Houfe  fhould  always  be  enft^tiog  kw^for  the  fafcty  of  gen- 
tlemen;  he.wiih^d  they  would  ^nii^ke  a  few  for  the  good  of 
the  poor ;  if  gentlemen  were  not  fafe  in  their  houfe§,  it  wtffc 
becaufe  the  poor  were  oppreflecj :  let  the  legiflature  protect 
them,  and  the  gentry  Would  haVe  nothing  to  fear  in  their 
houfes.  .  He  had   been  dowli  in  Dorfetmire^  and  he  WaS 
(hocked  to  fee  game  there  ino're  numerous  than  the  hutnan 
{pedes.     For  his  own  part,  he-Was  convinced,  that  if  he  had 
ticen  a  common  man,  he  wo«ld  have  been  a  poacher,  in  fpite 
of  all  the  laws;  and  he  was  equally  fure,  that. the  too  great 
feverity  of  the  laws  was  the  (iaul'e  that  the  number  of  poachers 
I) ad  mcreafed  fo  much.     He  earneflly  wilhed  to  lee  tl>e  game 
iaws  revifed,  and  ft  ripped  of  more  than  half  of  their  feve- 
rity :  thisivifh  was  not  an  intefcfted  one,  for  every  fhilling 
of  his  eftate  was  in  lands  only,  and  he  was  a  fportfrnan  a^  well 
as  other  men. 

-  GeneraK^mi/ay  rofe  only  to  give  notice,  that  dn  Wednefday  General 
next  he  would  make  a  motion,  as  nearly  the  fatoe  ii^  fubftance  Couway. 
«s  the  orders  6f  the  Houfe  would  permit,  as  thatvvhich  was 
TejeAed-en  F-riday  44ft.  His  reafon  for  bringing  again  before 
the  Hottfe  ihe  fui>je£k  of  the  American  War,  was,  that,  cl)n- 
lidisring  therery  fmall  majority  by  which  his  laft  niotion  wa^ 
rejected,  and  the  number  of  tnemhers  who  were  abfent  oft 
that  occafion,  he  was  of  opinidn  that  the  fenfe  of  the  Hoaic 
had  not  been  fully  taken  :  therefore,  that  the  fubjefi  might  be 
farther  difcufled,  and  that  all  the  members  in  town  flight 
have  a  fair  opiportunity  of  expreffing,  by  a  vote,  what  was 
tiicir  fenfe  of  the  fartlrer  profccution  of  the  American  war, 
he  then  announced  that  on  Wedpefday  he  would  rehew  his 

Sir  Gr€y  Ooopt  moved  for  the  order  of  the  day,  for  goiYig  sir  Grey 
into  the  comihittee  of  ways'  and  means;  ^odnexithat  jtbi^  Cyoper. 

-  •     ,  ••>,  •^eftker 

a?4  PARLIAMENTARY  A.i1^t. 

Speaker  fhotild  leave  the  chair  :  which  being  done^  and  Mr* 
Ord  having  taken  the  chair  of  the  committee^ 
^'**  Lord  North  eritered  upon  the  tedious  and  arduous  bufincfs 

of  the  loan.  He  faid  that  many  parts  of  the  neceflary  fup-r 
ply  of  the  year  had  not  yet  been  voted ;  and  therefore  he 
could  not  ftate  the  whole  of  the  fupply  with  that  degree  of 
preciiion  with  which  he  conld  fpeak  of  it  when  all  the  efti- 
mates  fhould  be  laid  upon  the  table  :  however^  he  knew  he 
could  come  To  very  near  the  exa3  account,  that  gentlemea 
would  be  at  nfo  lofs  to  form  a  jnft  Opinion  on  the  fubjeft. 
Various  fums  bad  been  already  voted  under  the  head^of 
navy,  army,  ordnance,  exchequer  bills ;  and  there  ftill  re- 
mained very  confiderable  fums  to  be  voted  for  milcellaneous 


The    committee    of   fupply^  had    already 
voted  100,000  Teamen)  including  21,000 
marines,   and  for  their  fupport,  4I.  per         £^       5.    d, 
man,  per  month,  which  made  5,200,000    Q    0 

For  the  ordinanry  of  the  navy         -r^  409,766  12    9 

For  building,    i-fe-building,  and   repairing^ 

fhips  953j5I$    o   0 

Total  for  the  navy,         6,563,000  12    9 
Of  the  navy  debt  he  intended  to  pay  ofF 

this  year  -  ■  '-  .      1,500,000     o    0 

•  Which  would  make  the  whole  voted,  and 

to  be  voted  for  the  navy,  for  the  fer- 

vice  of  the  prefent  year  _- ^        8,063,285  12    9 

It  might  be  thought  that  1,500,000  was  too  fmall  a  fum 
for  the  di (charge  of  the  navy  debt  this  year,  when  compared 
to  that  which  been  voted  laft  year  for  the  fame  purpofrt 
which  was  3,200,000!.  but  then  it  was'  to  be  rcmcrobercdt 
that  it  was  a  particular  circumftance,  which  did  not  occur 
oftieii|  that  had  enabled  Parliament  to  pay  oflFfo  large  a  fuci; 
this  particular  circumftance  was  the  renewal  of  the  Baci 
charter,  for  which  2,oo0j0Ool.  were  advanced  by  the  Ban^. 
According  to  the  terms  of  the  agreement,  i,ooo,cooL  wast^ 
be  advanced  laft  year;  the  other,  on  or  before  the  ift<^* 
>  •  March,  1782:  the  Bank,  however,  in  order  to  accomtr.o- 
date  govcrniftent,  had  advanced  before  the  expiration  of  ^cc 
year  jcp^ocoU  of  the  million,  which  was  not  to  become  py 

A.  1782.  D    E    B    A    T    E.   S.  285 

•  .  -  '  . 

able  tili  March  next ;  fothat  the  whole  of  the  two  millions 
had  not  yet  been  applied  to  the  difcharge  of  the  navy  debt ; 
there  remained  ftill  half  a  million,  which  he  would  add  to  the 
1,500,0001.  that  he  intended  to  dedicate  to  tfeat  ufe  this 
year,  by  which  means  he  would  be  enabled  to  pay  off 
2,ooo,oool.  of  navy  debt.  Adding,  therefore,  this  half  mil- 
lion to  the  grofs  fum  of  8,063,0001.  already  ftatcd,  the  whole 
fupply  for  the  navy  for  the  prefent  year  would  amoiaht  to 
8,563,0001.  juft  about  ii7,oooL  lefs  than  had  been  voted  for 
the  fame  fervice  laft  year. 

ARMY.  . 

There  had  been  already  voted  for  the  or-         £.  s.  d. 

di nary  of  the  army  ' 4,208,097  2  6 

There  remained  ta  be  voted 'for  the  extra- 
ordinaries  cf  the  army          — .          •  3,516,214  5  8 

H  I    I    >  I 

Which  together  atnounted  to  —        7,724,311     8     2 

•  \ 

ORE)  N  A  N  C  E. 

For  the  cJtdnance  there  had  been  voted        1,612,089  19     5 

Exclufive  of  the  faltpetre  contraft,  which 
had  been  broken  ;  if  it  ftiould  be  re- 
newed on  more  advantageous  terms  for 
the  public,  then  the  ordnance  would 
have  a  claim  of  betwt«n  forty  and  fifty 
tboafimd  pounds. 

E  X  C  H-ECLU  E  R,-B  I  L  L  S. 

Bills  had  been  iflued  to  the  amount  of        3,400,000'    o    o 
And  alfo  for  tho  vote  of  credit         —  . .     t,ooo,ooo    o     o 

Total    .     4,400,000    o    o 

Thefe  were  the  Turns  which  had  been  already  voted  by 
Parliament.  There  remained  to  ftate  to  the  Houfc  the  fums 
which  ftill  remairfied  to  be  voted. 

'1  he  various  deficiences  in  taxes  of  former  yearf?,  and  of 
fundry  grants,  amounted  to  882,643!.  6s,  7d.  but  then  in 
:his  furii  was  included  aScficiency  which  always  exifted,  and 
«rhich    was  always  allowed  in  the  land  and  malt  taxes,  ai 

^  Vol-.  VI.  Pp  With 

286  PARLIAMENT  AAY  A.  1782. 

With  refpcft  to  the  grants  of  Parlialaient,  they  would  ^ 
pfcar,  to  the  Levant  company  5000!,  to  the  Mrtezn  C6m- 
paivy  13,000!.  for  roads  and  bridges  in  Scqtland  .50OOI.  to 
tfae  city  of  London,  towards  rebuilding  Newgate,  t*o,oool.  to 
American  fuiferers  68,439!.  i6s.   This  laft  article  to  be  fure, 
he  faid,  was  more  than  was  paid  laft  yea(r  under' that  head, 
the  Turn  then  being  only  57,9121.  los.  but  the  reafbn  was, 
that  a  coQliderable  number  of  the  American  fufFerers  had 
been  ordered  to  return,  which  they  had,  he. was  free  to  own, 
obeyed  cheerfully;  and  it  was  al^^ays-cuftomary  to  grant 
them  one  year's  falary,  .and  a  quarter  advai^ce  for  the  ex- 
pences  of  their  paifage,  v^hich  occfalioAe^  the  fum  of  io,oooL 
rftore.  this  ye^r  thaa  the  year  before,  (^onfequently^nekt  year 
thera  would  be  a  faving  of  tbatio^oobl.  tuid  fho^fd  tbej  ftay 
in  America,  the  whole  fum  would  be  annually  faved :  but, 
on  the  contrary,  if  they  were  4>bliged  to  return^  undoubtedly 
th€y  nu»ft  s^ain  receive  the  like  penfion.    There  were  alfo 
for  the  Bricifh  Mufeum  3000U  and  for  AnDeri<ta&  civil  go- 
vernments (4^57^*  108.  5d. 

He  begged  pardon  of  the  comdiittee  for  having  omitted 
the  expence  attending  the  cTonvidts  at  Woolwich,  which 
would  this  year  amount,  according  to  Mr.  Duntan  Cunp* 
bell's  account^  to  14,7191.  4s.  Towards  the  building  at 
Somerfet-houfc,  what  Teemed  to  be  the  intent  of  Parliatneot, 
to  grant  annually  25^cooL  and  with  refpefk  to  the  falvpetre 
contraA  with  mr.  Tounfon,  it  was  emiTely  put  an  end  to : 
but  fuppoling  that  Mr.  Tounfon  did  not  iiipply  the  lahpetrt, 
fome  other  contra£t  muft  be  made ;  he  flioold  therefore  efti- 
mate  that  at  50,000!.  which  would  make  the  whole  of  the 
roifcellanies  to'be  vot^d  209,788!.  Ijs.  :5}d.  ^^hich  being  ad- 
ded to  the  8000I.  alreiidy  voted,  made  the  whole  fom  under 
the  head  of  mifcellinics  exaftly  217,788!.  15s.  5id.  there- 
fore the  fupplies  for  the  prefent  year  would  ftand  as  follow : 

J^aVy             • 8,063,285  12  9 

Army            • • 7,724,311  8  2 

Ordnance           ■'     .                — —  1,612,089  19  5 

Exchequer  bills        —           -  4/400,000  O  0 

Deficienccs             — — .          ■  882,643  ^  " 

Mifcellanies        217,78^;  15  ^ 

«  ■        ■■'  " 

Total  of  fupplies,  22,900,^19  a  4i 


A*  ijS^.  DEBATES.  a$7 

WAYS    anjJ    M^EAN'S, 

The  TOly  w^^ys  ^nd  mcm^  ^^  Parliament  lia4  glfcady 
gcamed  WW  thai  of  the  l^pd,  suad  .ai^ltt  tajc,  whu^  ampiM>)t)ed 
to  2^75p,flQri-  aod  thfi  neSJ  grf  aj.  ptgca  wWch  tfe^  Hoi^fe 
«»» ta  t«m  theif  eye  to^.  was  the  6f>king  fund,  tfee  dif|>o&- 
W€pai!tof  whieh.^asaiw^s  rnade^^p  U>tl9^  iiO^iof  oitp- 
bcr^  apd  appeared  i^  iQtk>v|F^ : 

In  1779  — ^  a,394,^53,    7    8^ 

IV780  •'— •  ^977>66i  i;i    7 

1 78 1              — ^  3*039>OH  «>    9i 

UpOO  whicli  a  medium  being  ftruck  on  the  three  years  ac- 
count, ^  average  would  appear  2,803,813!,  4s.  o|d,  which 
ought  to  be  coqoparcd  with  the  produce  pf  the  finking  fund, 
witiiput  grantis  on  the  one  hand,  or  deficieoqies  on  the  othqr, 
whidi  10  the  tbiTjere  yeaiis  alluded  to  would  upon  the  whole  ap- 
peartobe  ^,         j.    4. 

Isi^xin  .  51,792,58712    I 

1780  -w—  35079,467  18    2 J 

1781  2,874,481  i8    5 

The  mediuj».^f  ^hich^pptaredt»  be  ^1874,0?  il.  8$,  3d.  h^C 
die  laediufa-he  ihould  take  would  be  2,915,5121.  98.  6d.  -    > 

*  He  n^l}  ioformed  the  co]:i)mi(tee,  tha^  there  appeared  a 
balance  iin  the  Exchequer  at  Michaelm^  laA,  of  203«795L 
»i««  v:^  unappropriated^  ar4^ng.&pq[i  gr;in|ts  ^nd  furpliiifes 

of  J9A  year ^  but  therewould  appear  a  deficiency  of  5i,68cl. 
ift  j^  Cbr44lflaa«. -garter,  which  was  to  be  accounted  for  by 
the  Ifldiia Company- nQtbeuig  able  to  pay  up  the  balance  due 
for  their  cyftoin^  Oft  aicc^^wi^  of  the  late  arrival  of  their 
fhips;  but  which  fum  the  Qwp^Qy  would  he  fure  to  pay  in 
this  quarter  :  and  as  the  intereft  pf  three  and  a  half  per  cent. 
on  one  ftock  would  ceafe  on  the  5th  of  July  next,  and  con- 
tinue for  tlie  fiiture  at  three  per  eent.  there  would  be  ^  faving 
of  ^  half  per  cent,  which  would  be  annually  22,50ol.  it 
therefore  for  the  half  year  wovild  be  ii.i,25oU  which  being 
added  to  the  medium  of  the  difpofahle  part  of  the  finking 
fund  for  the  three-years  mentioned,  would'make  the  fum  of 
3,181,^581.  155.  lod.  and  if  added  to  the  medttim  of  the 
produce  of  the  finking  fund,  witiiODt  grants  or  deficiencies, 
it  would  make  3,29^,558i.  is.  4^d.  but  be  fhould  only  take 
the  finking  fun(i,  and  unappropriated  furpkifles,  at  3,  i0O,0O0l» 
The  Exchequer  biils  of  laft  yeair  he  faid  were  3,4CX>,oooK 
but  he  ^puld  tfatt  year  take  them  at  3,500/900^  whiiah 

F  p  a  would 

288  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  vjiz. 

would  not  be  any  injury,   as  they  went  ofF  well,  and  it  was 
nothing  but  fair  to  take  the  advantage. 

.  The  fum  arifing  from  the  fale  of  Frfench  prizes  was  to  be 
fure  a  mere  trifle,  it  was  only  1O9OO0L  and  the  money  ari- 
iing  from  the  Tales  in  the  Ceded  Iflands  he  had  iaft  year  efti- 
mated  at  3500I.  but  they  had  turned  out  better  than  he  ex- 
pected, and  he  had  now  put  them  dow^  5000!.  the  fale  of 
gum  feneca  amounted  to  only  lOooU  the  furplus  of  graqt,  to 
16,6081.  6s.»oJd.  and  money  arifing  from  favings^in  the  iafl 
year  he  woUld  take  at  ioo,oooU  therefore  all  thofe  fums 
taken  together  would  ^form  the  whole  of  the  ways  and  means, 
and  would  appear  as  follow  :  ~ 

.  Land  and  malt  - 

Sinking  fund         ..... 
Surplus  of  grants         -  - 

Exchequer  bills  *  «- 

Savings  of  money         •  -         - 

French  prize-money 
Ceded  Iflands  -  -         - 

Gum  feneca  -  -  - 

Loan  which  he  meant  to  propofe 

And  .the  fupply  being  *.  .       - 

The  furplus  of  ways  and  means 

would  be  -  - 

Befor{!L  he  went  farther,  he  faid,  he  Would  recapitulate  the 
whole  of  the  account  current,  unmixed  with  any  obfervation, 
for  the  fatisfa&ion  of  gentlemen. 








































S    U    P    P    L    IE    S, 

■   '  N.A  V  Y. 

Carried  over   * 



lOOjOOO  feamcn  (with  21,305 

marines)        :-          .:.  .         5,200,000  00 

Ordinary  of  the  navy         -   ^       409,766  12     9 

Building,  &c.  of  fhips           -   .     953*519  O     o 

Navy  debt_      •        •        ^     1,560,000  o    o 



■7-r.     8,663,285    12      9 


.A.  1 78a.  D    E.B.A.T    E    S.  289 

ARMY.  '     . 

Brought  QVcr .  •  -  8,063,285  12    9 

49,455  landmen    (with  4475 

invalids       '  -  -  1,242,835     23 

General  and  ftaff  oiEceis  43>840    60  * 

Guards,  garrifons,  &c.       -       i53i5>523     5  10 
5  battalions  for  Gibraltar  and 

Minorca        -        -        .  -         56,074  19    4f 
13,472  troops,  HefTeCaffcU        367,203    9  10  . 

2,094.  ditto,  Hanau         -    ^     -      61, 108-  1 1     oS    , 
Regiment,  Waldeck  -       .    17,498     3     2 J 

4,300  Brunfwickers        -         -      939497  ^S     8 
Regiment,  Brandenbourg  Ah- 

fpach  -  -  -         439665  12     3 

933  troops^  ArihaltZerbft  23,8x8  11  iii 

Provifions  for   foreign  troops 

in  America  -  -  55)4^9    00  » 

Augmentation    to    troops    of 

HeffeCaffell  -  -  15,499  I7     S 

IDitto,  Brandenbourg  Apfpach  3,202  12     5 

Ditto,  Anhalt  Zcrbft  -  4,94^  19    O 

Artillery  to  foreign  troops       -       27,683  14     o 
Embodying  militia  in   South 

Britain,   and  4  regiments  of 

Fcncibles  in  North  Britain'      677,497  15  10 
Cloathing  ditto  -  -         100,594  17     | 

Regiment  of    light  dragoons 

and  2  regiments  of  foot  21,329  18     8 

I  regiment  of  light  dragoons,  7 

battalions,  and  a  detachment 

of  foot,  for  the  Eaft-Indies         36,280  10    8 
Land  cxtraordinaries  and  aug- 
mentation (Chelfea  hofpital 

included,   and  reduced  offi-  ^ 

cers)         ^.        -  .         3,516,214    58 

7,724,311     8    2 

O    R    P    N    A    N    C    E. 

Ordinaries        -        -         -         712,366     3  10 
Extraordinaries        -  -        899,723  15    7 

1,612,089  15    5 

Carried  over  -  •  17,399,687    o    4 

«90  PARLIAMEKTARY  A.i7.»i. 


Brought  over           -  ^             179399^^7    o    4 

Turkey  company          «.         •  jtOOo  o  6 

Britifh  Mufeum            %         «  S^ooo  O  O 

American  civil  govemn^ntf  14^95  7^  lO  5 

African  forts  and  fettlements  13,000  o  o 

Roads  and  bridges  in  Scotland  5,000  o  o 

Rebuilding  Newgate,  on  accpuat  20,000  O  O 

Ditto,  Somerfet-hottfe          *  25>eoo  o  o 

American  fufferers        -*       ^  6^i439  i^  ^ 

Saltpetre,  &c.  contra£ts         -*  50,000  o  o 

Juftitia  hulks       .        ^        .  149719  40 

Commons  addrefies        «>       •  8,672  5  o 


at7,7»8  i| 

E  XC  HEQ^UE  R.B  ILL  S. 

Vote  of  credit  laft  fcffipn  dif- 

charged  -  -        1^,000,000    o    0 

IMfcbarged  before    CbriftmatS 

rcccfs  -  -  -  i,;$oo,poQ  o  0 
Diicharged  after  Chriftmas  re- 

cefs  -        .         •        i^4W,00Q    Q    Q 

Remain  uniffued  to  pay  lottery 

prizes        .  -  *        480,000    Q    o 

■  4f40P>opo    0    o 

P  E  F  I  C  I  E  N  C  I  E  S. 

Deficiency,  fund  1758  -  35>H9    ?    of 

Ditto,  1778         -  .  183,380    3    8 

Ditto,  1779          -  -  102,806    9    4 

Ditto,  1780          •  ^  1533193    8  II 

Ditto,  coinage          -  -  ^"3  16    7 

Dltto^  land  and  malt  -t  400,000    a   Q 

882,643    6    7 

^  ^■ii 

Total  22,900,119    2    4 


A.  1784.  DEBATES.  afjj 

WAYS    -and    MEANS,     178a. 

Land  and  malt  -         7      .  -        -^        -        2,^750,000    o    o 



Medium  produce  o£  thtee  ts& 

years  •        -        -        0^803,813    4    o 

Balance  in  the  Excbe<}Uor^  NH- 

chs^elmai  17S1  -  *®3i79S  ri  10 

Duties  from  the  India  Gompa- 

spany,  ^rayable  this  months  . 
'poKpoReci  on  aecount  01  tbc 

late  arrival   of  laft   yearV 

fleet  *  -  -        163,000    o    o 

Half-year's  dividend  of  |  per 

cent,  on  3!  per  cent.  ann«ii« 

tics  1758,  from  5th  July, 

178a  -  -         -  'ij^So    o    o- 


3,181,858  15  JO  • 

Taken  for  the  round  fum  of    ■      '  3,100,000    0    0 

Surplus  grants,  1 78 1  -         254,475    7    5 

Dcduft  intercft  on  Exchequer 

bills,  &c.        ...       '44^331  *8    9 
Paid  Bank  df  England  prompt 

payment  to  proprietors  of 

loani  1 78 1        - 

Nett  furplus  of  grants                      •■■■■'!                 16,608    6  o 

Nc\ir  Exchequcr-WUs        -         -         -          -        3>SOO,poo    o  o 
Annuities  and  lottery 
Dcduft  lottery  prizes 

13,500,000    o  6 

Sundry  favings         ^         -          -          -           -         100,000    o  o 

French  prize-money        -        *        *        -        -           10,000    o  o 

Sale,  Ceded  Iflabds        •,       -        -        .          -            5,000    o  o 

Duty  on  gum  (eneca         -       -        -  '          -           1,000    o  o 

III              II  11          I     Wi   ma  * 

TotaT               22,982,608    6  o 



2     8 


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0       0 


agz  PARI-rAM.ENTARY  A.iitt, 

Supply     '-.*'-'*.        .    22,900,119    2    4 
Ways  and  means  -  -        22,982,608    6    0 

Excefs  of  provifions  -         -  ,  82,489    3    8 

•  - 

'Gentlemen  4io  doubt  would  afk  hrm,  he  faid,  how  he 
came  to  propofe  a  loan  of  13,500,0001.  when  there  did  not 
appear  that  fom  already  voted  and  not  provided  for  by  ways 
and  means ;  he  therefore  begged  leave  to  acquaint  them,  that 
Parliament  U^  already  voted  -         16,768,002    4    3$ 

And  the  only  fum  provided  for-by  ways  '    . 

and  means  was  -  *    r   '     2,750,000  ^o    0 

Deficient'  14,936,002    4    3I 

By  this  account,  confcquently^  he  was  ftridly  within  the 
rules  of  Parliament  to  propofe :a  loan  of  13,500,0001.  He 
knew  only  three  ways  by  which  loans  had  ever  been  made; 
to  accept  of  the  offers  iTjadein  private  by  individuals,  ftatin^ 
the  fums  which  each  was  -ready  to  advance ;  an  open  fub- 
fcription  with  a^depofite  of  part  of  the  fubfcripticn  money 
befgre  hand-at  th«~£anl^f  -  op  a  clofe  fubfcrip'tion  with  a  few 
individuals.  Againft  the  firft  mode  he  had  very  ftrong  ob- 
jedlions ;  he  had  been  the  bbjeft  of  fo  much  abufe,  obloquy, 
calumny^  and  m'freprefentaitipn  (laft  year)  for  the  dlftribu- 
tion  of  the  loan,  that  he  could  not  think  without  trembling 
of  expofing  himfelf  to  a  repetition  of  fuch  unmerited  treat- 
ment, by  making  the  loan  this  year  in  the  fame  manner. 
Gentlemen  bad  thought  proper  to  fay,  that  by  tlie  diftribu- 
tion  of  laft  year  he  had  made  himfelf  friends ;  but  the  faft 
%vas,  that  for  one  friend  he  had  made,  he  had  raiied  up 
tv^eoty  enemies':  for  thofe  who  had  made  offers,  wrote  fw 
fuch  large  fums,  that  it  was  impoffibte  to  give  them  even  a 
tenth  part  of  what  they  afked;  and  therefore  eveo  thofe 
who  had  got  fome  fcrip,  were  fo  Jiffati.sficd  at  having  got  fo 
.much  lefs  than  they  had  alked,  that  they  never  thought  of 
thanking  him  for  what  they  had' got,  but  felt  refentmcnt  for 
what  they  had  not  got.  If  laft  year  he  made  enemies,  he 
muft  have  made  many  rnore  indeed  this  year;  for  the  num- 
ber of  perfons  who  had  applied  to  him  this  year  was  double 
that  of  the  laft.  Towards  the  laft  loa^^  1 145  perfons  bad 
.  applied  for  fcrip;  for  a  (hare  in  the  prcfent,  2469  had 
made  applications ;  and  they  made  offers  to  the  amount  ot 



A.i'jh.  DEB    A    T.  E    Si 

)3»290,oook     However,  he  was  very  clear,  that  in  the  llA 
there  were  names  of  perfons  who  had  never  been  creditors  in 
the  whole  ooprfe  of  their  liVes,  though  h6  did  riot  doubt  but 
,  they  had  many  creditors  :    he  was  ncverthelefs  very  well 
fatisfied,   that  three-fourths  of  thofe  who  applied  were  fol- 
vent  men,  and  able  to  make  good  their  bargam,  hot  for  all 
they  aflced,  but  for  all  they  might  get ;  but  if  he  had  ac- 
•  cepted  their. offers,  how  was  he  to  have  made  the  diftribu- 
tion  ?  If  he  was  to  make  it  of  hirafelf,  it  might  be  hazard- 
bus,  as  he  could  not  be  fuppofed  to  be  acquainted,  of  his 
own  knowledge,  with  the  circumflances  of  all.    If  he  fliould 
take  the  opinion  of  a  friend,  then  it  would  be  faid  that  the 
friend  had  the  diftribution  of  the  loan,  and  afted  fi^bm  par- 
,tiality ;  and,  indeed,  if  he  ihould  not  apply  to  a  friend  on 
the  occafion,  he  knew  it  would  be  faid  he  had;  and  there- 
fore he  bad  relblvcd  not  to  take  upon  himfelf  by  any  means, 
or  in  any  fhape,  the  diftribution  of  the  loan,  that  ne  might 
thereby  avoid  the  obloquy,  roifreprefentation,  and  calumny, 
that  had  been  heaped  upon  him  Jaft  year^  when  he  was  faid 
to  have  given  the  loan  among  his  friends  in  Parliament. 
With   rcfpeft  to  members  of  Parliament,   he  obferved  en 
paffant^  that  a  member  of  Parliament,  merely  as  fuch,  ought 
not  to  have  a  preference  ;  on  the  other  hand,  he  ought  not, 
as  a  member  of  Parliament,  to  be  excluded  from  ferving 
himfelf  and  his  country,  by  lending  his  money  to  the  public. 
When  money  was  to  be  oorrowed^  it  was  to  be  taken  from 
every  quarter  where  it  could  be  found* 

Th^  ftcond  mode  of  making  loans  by  Open  fubfcriptiona 
^t  the  Bank,  with  a  depofite  of  money,  was,  in  his  Lord- 
fhip's  opinion,  better  calculated  for  the  times  of  peace  than 
for  war  ;  for  if  in  peace-time  there  was  a  lefs  hanus^  fo  there 
was  lefs  rifquc :  but  in  war  there  was  great  rifque,  and  it 
was.- rather  odd  to  call  upon  men  to  make  depofitcs  before 
hand  to  purchafc  danger.  He  admitted,  however,  that  it 
might  bei  u(ed  as  a*  proper  inftrument  to  curb  and  check  ex- 
travagant demands  of  thofe  who,  in  a  clofe  fubfcrrption, 
(the  third  way  of  railing  i  loan)  fhould  endeavour  to  avail 
themfelves  of.  the  diftrefles  of  the  public,  and  infift  upon 
(korbitant  interefts  and  douceurs.  The  third  mode,  or  clofc 
ibfcriptia|(^  was  the  mode  he  hadr  adopted,  as  it  would  free 
^m  from  the  calumny  he  might  draw  upon  himfelf  by  th« 
rft,  a,nd  was  at  the  fame  time  free  from  the  inconvcniencics 
the  fecond.  Two  propofals  had  been,  made  to  him  by 
'O  different  fcts  of  gcnilemcb,  the  one  party  not  knowing 


aft4  PARXHAM^ENTAHY.         AAjZi. 

'  of  ^hc  qflfers  of  tfic'olhet.    At  the  inakihg  Acfe  piopf^^ 
'  were  prcfent  the  governor  and  dcputy-goverftor  6f  Ine  Bank, 
and  feveral  other*  giehtlennco  of  cniincncc  in  the  mercantile 
'  wprld  ;  and  they  all  ig'reedy  that  thb  propofal  with  Whicb'^c 
;  had  clofed,  was  cotilSderably  more  advantageous  to  the  puB- 
Mic  than  that  which  he  rejefted,  and  more  favdufable  than 
the  bargain  of  laft  year,  which  be  owned  to  be  exf rayagaiit. 
The  terms  which  he  had  accepted,  ai^d  which  he  had 
brought  to  Parliament,  werfc,  in  his  own  mind,  Very  pre- 
'  fcrable.     The  propofals^for  the  agreement,'  were ; 
ipol.  3  per  cent,  valued  at  54.I.  —        '^      ^   i^ 

50I.  4  per  cent,  valued  'at  67L  "^  .      33     ^^    ^ 

A  long  annuity   of  17s.  6d.  at' 15!  purchafe, 

valued  at  -  -  i^     ^J     3 

3  lottery  tickets  for  every  lOOol.  at  i^l.  2s.  6d. 
per  ticket,  or  18s.  9d.  per  cent.  O     18    *9 

Total    loa    o    o 
The  intereft  to  the  lender  Will  be 
•    of  courfe     lOoU  5  pei^  cent.  3     p    o 

.  50I.  4  per  cedt.  2     .00 

Annuity         -  O     17    "6 

exelufivc  of  the  douceur  In  the  fii-ft  iriftance  of  2I:  per  cent, 
to  the  money  lender.  When'  he  ftaitd  ^^e  ,3  per  cert t./  at 
54I*  he  rated  them  at"  3-8th8  tihder  die  mafkrt  price  of  ttils 
day,  and  he  had  undef-  rated  the  4  per  ceiit.  in  the^  fanae 
propbrtioh;  bec4ufe  it  was  feir  to  fuppofe,.  that  a  hev^Wdls 
'of  capital  being  tarried  to  market^  Would  fink  the  price  of 
ft'ocks ;  but  ftill  ■  he  had  Vaken  the  fait  very  tow,  bteiUfe  Ke 
did  riot  believe  frona  experience  that' the  faU  would'  be  con- 
fiderablc.  At  the  time  of  the  laft  loan,  the  fk-iceof  ^{^OcW 
was  kept  up  by  an  idea  that  a  i^etdrn  of  peace  wai  probable. 
However,  he  had  but' barely  ftated,  that  at  that  time  there 
was  a  tendency  tovvard^  a  prck'ce  j  f6r  he  thought  that  nothing 
could  be  more  injurious  to  the  t)ublic  credit,  thaiy  that'  any 
falfe  runfKwrs  fhbuld  be  fpreadf  to  Va'ife  the  price  'of  ftpcks': 
it  was  the  intereft  of  the  public  that  rt  fhould  ^underflobd 
that  every  thirtg  was  carried  on  fairly  and  ab^le  board  be- 
tween the  Tveafury  and  the  ihoney  lenders  ;  nor  wb'uld  iie 
amufc  wth  falfe 'hopes  of  peace,  if  he  thought  he  c'o\i1d 
gain  10  per  cent,  for  the  public  on  thebargain  j  fot  fuch 
a  gain  could-  never  cotripcnfate  for  the  injury  that^imf^o- 
ntion  would  do  to  public  difedit. 


A.iyt2.'  0    E    B^    A.  T    E    S.  295 

The  .Houfr  had  now  heard  the  terms  of  the  bargain  he 
h^d  madc;''hc  thought  them  good ;  he  thouglit'  tKcm  irifi- 
nitely  better  than  thofc  of  laft  y ear*s  loan ;  and  he  hoped 
the  committee  wopld  concur  with  him  in  agreeing  to  them. 

As  to  the  lottery,  he  had  heard  fo  much  of  thcexccffive 
gambling  occafioped  by  it,  that  he  had  turned  itiiihis  head' 
hpw,  it  could  be  prevented^  and  he  had  rcfolycd  to  give  up 
t^c  whole  lol;tery,  rather  than  countenance  fuch  gambling;' 
but  recdiliefting  that  thbfe  who  are  filled   with  a fpirit  of 
gahjiblmg  will  alwaj^s  find  means  to  indulge  in  it,  and  the 
lottery  being  of  confidcrable  advantage  to  the  public,  he' 
Jthonght  it  would  not  be  iitipropcr  to  let  the  lottery  ftand, 
that  jthus  the  private  .vices  of  individuals  might  be  made  to' 
turn  to  public  utility ;  but  at  the^  fame  time  he  would  nioft  * 
rpadily  concur  in  any  mcafure  that  fhould  be  j:)ointed   out' 
to  check  the  exceflcs  in  gambling  occafioned  by  it ;  for  this 
pufpofe  he  had  ttiought  of  dbubH'rtg  the  fum  paid  for  taking;' 
obt  licences;  but  he   imagined ^aftetwards,  that  thoiigh  the  * 
number  of  offices  would  cfecrea'fe  in  cbnftquencc  of  fach  a 
meafure,  ftill  gambling  would  very  likely  be  carried  toas^ 
gre^t  an  extent  in  a.  few  offices  as  ita  many.      It  had  oc- 
curred alfo  to  him  to,  have  all  policies,  arid  (hares  of  tickets 
flampt,  and  to  lay  oii  a  tax  for  the  ftamp  ;  but  then  he  was  * 
deterred  froip  that  refolutioh,  by  recpllcfting,  that  in  gamb- 
ling there  always  is  a  point  of  honour  which  makes  one 
p<irty   pface  confidence  in  another,  apd  which  would  defeat 
the  end  of  fuch  a  reguUtion,  ' 

"His  Lprdftiip  Hated,  that  the  intereft  on  the  whole  of  the 

fupply  would  amount  to  793,125!.   a   year.     Gentlemen 

would  cpnfider  that  this  fum^^was  the  burthen  to  belaid  on 

the  people,  and \not.  the  nominal  addition  to  our  debt.     The 

nation^  debt  was  no  more  than  the  fum  of  annuities  to  be 

paid.,  ,  To  raife  this  fum.  new  taxes  muft  be  impofed ;  thefe 

taxes  muft  be  produiS^iye;  and  as  thofe  which  be  intended 

to  prppofc  were  many  in  niimber,  many  of  them  novel  in 

their  nature,  and  all  flood  in  need  of  much  ftudy  to  render 

thjem.  clear  to  tlie  underftanding  of  gentlemen,  he  hoped 

they  would  not  take  it  amifs  that  he  fhould  not  proceed  with 

the    taxes,  till  this  day   fe'nnight;   and   he  was  the  more 

defirous  to  crave  that  delay,  as  he  really  had    riot  flrength 

of^  body,  or  clearnefs  of  underftanding,  fufficient  to  adhere 

to[  the  oW  praflrice'bf  giving  both  the  loan  arid  the  taxes  on 

the  fame  day. ''His  Lordlhip,  after  having  been  full  two 

hours  on  his  legs,  concluded  Ws  long  laborious  work  with 


29§  PARLIAME^STARY  A.  nSa. 

*'  That,  towards  railing  the  fupply  granted  to  his  Ma-. 
jefty^  the.fam  of  thirteen  millions  five  hundred  thoufand 
pounds  be  raifed  by  annuities,  and  the  further  Aim  of  four 
hundred  and  five  thoufaqd  pounds  by  a  lottery,  in  planner 
following  ;  that  is  to  fay, 

^*  That  every  contributor  to  the'faid  thirteen  millions 
five  hundred,  thoufand  pounds  fhall,  for  every  one  hundred 
pounds  contributed  and  paid,  be  entitled  to  the  principal' 
fum  of  one  hundred  pounds  in  annuities,  after  the  rate  of 
three  pounds  per  centum,  to  commence  fropi  the  5th  day 
of  January,  1782;  and  fhall  be  added  to  made  one  joint 
ftock  with  the  three  pounds  per  centum  annuities,  confo- 
lidated  by  -the  afts  of  the  twenty-fifth,  twenty -eighth, 
twenty^ninth,  thirty-fecond,  and  thirty *third  years  of  the 
Tcign  of  his  late  Majefty  George  the  Second,  and  by  feveral 
fubfequent  afts,  and  (hall  be  payable  and  transferrable  at 
the  Bank  of  England  at  the.  fame  time  and'  in  the  fame 
manner,  and  fubjoft  to  t}ie  like  redemption  by  Parliament, 
a$  tlve  faid  three  pounds  per  centum  confolidated  annuities 
^re  payable  and  transferrable  there. 

f^  That  .every  fuch  contributor  fliall  alfo  be  entitled  to  the 
farther  principal  fum  of  fifty  pounds  in  annuities,  after  the 
rate  of  fqur-  pounds  per  centum,  to  commence  from  the  5th 
day  of  April,  lyS^t,  and  ihall  be  added  to  and  n^ade  one 
joint  ftock  with. certain  annuities,  after  the  rate  of  four 
pounds  per  centum,  which  were  confolidated  by  the  adls  of 
the  twentieth  and  twenty-firft  years  of  the  reign'of  his  pre- 
fent  Majefty,  and  (hall  be  payable  and  transferrable '  at  the 
Bank  ,of  England,  at  the  fame  time,  and  in  tlie  fame  man- 
ner, and  fubjeft  to  the  like  redemption  by  Parliament,  as 
the  faid  four  pounds  per  pentun^  cpnfolidated/ ^npnities  arc 
payable  and  transferrable- tjaere, 

f  *  Tha^  every  fuch  contributor  (hall  likewife  be  entitled  to 
an  ani^uity  of  leveAtcen  (liillings  and  fixpepce  ppr  centum, 
to  commppce  from  the  5th  day  of  January,  1782,  and  to 
continue  for  the  term  of  feventy-eight  years,  and  then  to 
ceafe,  over  and  aboye  the  principal  fums  of  one  hundred 
pounds  after  the  rate  pf  three  pounds  per  centun^  per  ^nnum, 
and  fifty  pounds  after  the  rate  of  four  pounds; -per  centum 
per  annum,  in  refpeft  of  every  one  hundred  pounds  to  be 
contributed  and  paid  towards  raifing  the  faid  fum  of  thirteen 
millions  five  hundred  thoufand  pounds ;  wbicli  (aid  annuity 
of  fcvcnteen  (billings  and  fixpepce^ per  centum,  fp  to  continue 
for  feventy-eight  years,  fhall  be  added  to  knd  made  one 
^oint  i|ock  Yfii\i  certain  ^pnuitics  payable  at  the  Bank  of 


AViySa.  ,D    E    B    A    T   E    S.  ^97 

England,  which  were  grante4  fox  the  fevcral  terras  of 
niDCty-ninc,  niqcty-eight,  and  eighty  years,  and  were,  by 
th?  a6ls  of  the  fourth  and  twentieth  years  of  the,  reign  pf 
his  prefent  Majcfty,  confolidajte.d  and  made  one  joint  Sock, 
and  (hall  be  paid  and  payable,  aad  transferrable  at  the  fame 
time,  and  in  the  fame  mannerj  as  the  faid  annuities,  {o  con- 
folidated  by  the  z€ts  of  the  fpmth  and  twentieth  years  of 
the  reigi)  of  his  prefent  Majcfty^  are  payable  aod  transfer- 
rable at  the  faid  Bank  of  England, 

**  That  the  ftveral  aonuitics^  after  the  rate  of  thre> 
pounds  per  centum,  four  pounds  per  centum,  and  feventecn 
fhillings  and  lixpence  per  centum,  fo  to  he  payable  as  afore* 
faid,  .mall  be  charged  and  changeable  upon,  and  payable  out 
of,  a  fund  to  be  eftablifhed  in  this  feffion  of  Parliament  for 
payment  thereof,  and  for  which  the  finking  fund  Ihall  be  a 
cpllatcral  fccurity, 

"  That  every  contributor  towards  railing  the  faid  fum  of 
thirteen  millions  five  hundred  thoufahd  pounds,  (hall,  for 
every. one  thoufan^  pounds  contributed,  be  entitled  to  three 
tickets  in  a  lottery  to  cbnfifl:  pf 'forty  thoufand  five  hundred 
tickets,  amountiing  to  four  hundred  and  five  thoufand  pounds, 
upon  payment  or  the  farther  fum  of  ^ ten  pounds  for  each 
ticket ;  the  faid  four  hundred  and  five  thoufand  pounds  to  be 
diftributed  into  prizes  for  the  benefit  of  the  proprietors  of 
the  fortunate  tickets  in  the  faid  lottery,  which  (hall  be  paid 
in  money  at  the  Bank  of  England  to  fuch  proprietors  upon 
demand,  as  foon  after  the  firft  day  of  March,  1783,  as 
certificates  can  be  prepared,  without  any  deduftion  what- 

**  That  every  contributor  (hall,  on  or  before  the  firft  day 
of  March  next,  makic  a  depofite  of  fifteen  pounds  per  centum 
on  fuch  fum  as  he  or  (he  (hall  choofe  to  fubfcribe,  towards 
raifing  the  faid  fum  of  thirteen  millions  five  hundred  thou- 
fand pounds,  with  the  chief  ca(hier  or  ca(hiers  of  the  Go- 
vernor and  Company  of  the  Bank  of  England  ;  and  alfo,  a 
depofite  of  fifteen  pounds  per  centum  with  the  faidcafhier  or' 
pa(hiers,  in  part  of  the  monies  to  be  contributed  towards 
raing  the  faid  fum  of  four  hundred  and  five  thoufand  pounds 
by  a  lottery,  as  a  fecnrity  for  making  the  future  payments 
refpeftively  Oii  or  before  the  days  or  times  hereinafter 
liipited  i  that  is,  to  fay, 

pn  i3)500,ocx)lf  to  be  raifed  by  annnities, 

10  per  cent,  on  or  before  the  12th  day  of  April  next, 
}o  per  cent,  w  or  before  xhc  7th  day  of  May  next. 

10  per 

a9l.  PARLIA.Mj:i^TARY^  A.  1782. 

.  10  per  cent,  on^r  bcfort  the  i3kh  day  of  Jnnc.ncxt. 
IP  per  cept.  on  or  bc'forc  th^  19th  day  of  July  next. 
15  per  cent- on' or  before,  the  a  ad  day  6^  Auguft  ne^t. 
10  per  cent,  on  or  before  the  20th  day  of  September  next, 
10  per  ient.  on  or  before;  the  24th  day  of  Oftobcr  next* 
10  per  cent,  on  or  before. the  26ih  day  of  November  next* 

Oa  the .  Lottery  for  405,000! » 

•  •  • 

20  per  cent,  on.or-before  the  28thrday  of  May  pext* 
25  per  cent,  on  or  before  the  9th  day  of*  jf^ly  aexjt* 
20  per  cent,  on  or  before  the  lOth  day  of  September  next* 
ao  per  cent,  oh  or  before  the  iith  day  of  Oaobcr  jicxt* 

**  That  all  the  monies  fo  to  be  received  by  the  chief 
caftiier  or  caihi^rs  of  the  Governor  and  Conipahy  of  the 
Bank  of  England,  Ihall  be  paid  into  the  receipt  of  the  Ex- 
chequer, to  be  applied  from.  time. tOjtim(5  to  fuch  ftryices^as 
fhall  then,  have  been  voted  by  this  Houfe^  m  tkis  leffion  of 
""      Parli^mept : 

*'  That  every  contributor  who  (hall  pay  in  the  whole  of. 
his  or  her  contribution  money  to\i*ards  the  fum  of  ttiirteen 
millions  five  hundred  thoufand  pounds,^  to  be  co.Qtributed 
for  annuities  as  aforefaid,  at  any  time  before  the\  23d  day 
of  Odober  nexr^  or  on  account  of  his  or  her  (hare  in  the  f^id 
lottery  on,  or. before  the  9th  day  of  September  nexj,  fli.all  be 
allowed  an  intpreft  by  way  of  difcouptj  after  the  rate  of  three 
pounds  .per  cent,  per, annum  on  the  iumfo  compleatiog  his 
or  her  contribution,  refpeftively,  to  be  computed  from,  the 
day  of  compleating  the  fame  to  the  26th  xiay  of  Moven^ber 
next|  in  regard  to  the  fum  to  be  paidforthe/a^dajpi^puitie^ 
and  to  the.  I  ith  day  of  QftQbcr  next,  in^relpc^  off  the  fym 
to  be  pajd  on  account  of  the  faid' lottery;  and  that. aU  (uch  fhalt  make'  their  full  payments  on  the  iaid  lottery 
(ha!lV ha V|C  their  tickeis.dcliyercd  to  theqj.als  jfqpn  a$  th.ey  cw 
co^venien,tly  be  made  out. 
Uu  »yBf.  Mri  Bynj;  thought  it  ncpeffary  to  fay  a  few  words  in  .reply 
to  wliiat  the  noble  Lord  had  faid  of  the  calunpny'and  obloquy 
he  had  experienced  laft  year  on  account  of  tlie  ^iiftribatidn  of 
the  loan  :  he  did  not  know,  whether  the  noble  Lord  aJIoded 
to  him,  who  had  brought  before  the  Hoi^fe  the  conlideration 
of  the  laft  year's  loan  ;  but  whether  the  noble  Lord  alluded 
'  to  him  or  not,  he  thought  the  prefent  complaint  came  with  a 
very  aukw^d  grace.fionl  his  Lordihipj.  if  all  that  had  been 


A.J7Sa.  DEB    A    T    E    S.  4^9 

Taid  on  that  fubjefl  Had  been  calumny,  why  did  not  tlie  noble 
Xbrd'go  into  the  then  propofed  enquiry  ?  lie  then  with'^held 
the  means  of  inveftijgating  the  bufinefs,  he  kept  back  eh- 
(lauy^,  and  now  complained  of  th^  Iiard  treatiheht'hehad 
\  receiyed.  But  were  dicfre  not mbftlhameful  fads  proved  to 
the  j^oqfe  with  regard  to  that  loan  ?  It  was  known,'  that 
after  ^he  terms  were  fettled^  and  whipn  it'was  known  to  Be  a 
good  .thing,  men  who  were  fet  down  for  26,b6oU  had  a  cy- 
pher taken  from  this  fum,  and  reduced  to  2900]. 
I     The  terms  of  the  loan  juft  propofed,  he  admitted^^  were 

laid  tWo ;  and  if  he  had  faid^to  one  only,  he  believed  he 

;  ihould  not  have  been  fir  froin  the  trtoth.    To  bargain  with 

fo  few^  yas  injurious  to  individtials  ^  for  thofe'  who  kept 

inoncy  with  bankers^  finding  that  their  banker's  had  no  icrip^ 

wouici  draw  their  money,  and  place;  it  where  thej  onud 

.  piirchafe  flock.  Laft  year  fo  many  jMcrfons  without  prc^eriy 

^  had  Tubfcribed^  that  ieVen  ixiitlions  o^  fcrip  had  been  carried 

!  to  market  in  one  tnonth^  to  the  very  great  depreciation  of  the 

'  funds.    'When  the  noble  Lord  rated  uie  3  per  cent,  at  54,*he 

\  believed  he  was  pretty  right  ;"but  he  could  not  ^^gree  with 

.  him  tliat  67  was  a  fair  valiaation  of  the  4  per  cent/;  jfof'to  His 

knowledge,  bargains,  had  a£lually  l>een  ^lade  for  the  o])ening 

.  of  the'  4  per  cent,  at  68.    He  thought  that  hb  Lordfhip  had 

;  uiifairly  for  the  public^  oinitted  to  %ate  the  difcount,  which 

would  add  il.  I2S.  6d.  to  the  douceur  on  the  loan. 

Xrord  North  faid,  the  difcount  on  the  money  advanced  at  Ld  North. 
different  times  was  always  coniidere4^  as  a  part  of  the  dou- 
ceur to  thofe  perfons  who  ailifted' Qov<ernment  with  their 
money  ;  the  loan  he  had*  accepted  was  by  far  tde  beft  of  the 
two  propofed ;  and  he  had  chofen  to  confine  it  to  a  few  per- 
fons^ thinking  it  ^uch  more  advantageous  for  the  public,  tA 
the  pifofit  (if  any)  when  divided  among  a  few,  would  be 
accepted,  though  fmall;  when,  had  there  been  many  perfons 
conceriiod,  they  muft  have  had  a  larger  profit  to  make  it 
worth  their  while;  befides,  being  in  the  hands  of  a  few, 
and  thofe  men  of  property,  they  could  afford  it  cheaper,  as 
they  could  fiurfe  it  as  they  pleafed,  and  bring  it  to  market 
when  they  liked,  which  would  not  be  the  cafe,  had  a  needy 
fet  of  adveiiturers  got  it.  .  Much  had  been  faid  with  refpeo: 
to  letting ']^mbers  of  Parliament  have  a  fhare  of  it :  he 
never  could  dlicbver^  that  a  perfon,  being  a  Member  of  Par- 

goo  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  17$!. 

liameoty  ought  to  have  any  of  it  oh  that  head  ;  nor  cbuU  he 
fee,  that  being  a  MetAbcr  of  Parliament  ought  to  be  any 
bartohini.  ,        / 

Mr.  Fox.  .  Mr,  FoXj  With  all  that  ingenuity  for  which  he  is  fo  re- 
markable, informed  the  Committee,  that  the.  noble  Lord 
had  undoubtedly  this  year,  through  the  means  of  that  chaf- 
tifement  which  he  had  received  iaft  feffion  froim  his  honour- 
able friend,  Mr.  Byng,  made  a  better  bargain  for  the  public 
'  than  he  did  before,  yet  the  bargain  was  by  no  means  fo 
good  as  the  noble  Lord  had  endeavoured  to  make  it  appear, 
nor  was  it  fo  good  as  he  might  have  had.  The  noble  Lord 
had  plainly  told  the  Committee,  that  he  had  two  offers, 
and  he  had  chofen  the  beft,  without  letting  the  one  party 
know  the  offer  of  the  other.  Was  that  a  way  to  deal  for 
the  public  ?  Certainly  not !  He  fhould,  inftead  of  keeping 
it  a  fecret  from  the  two  parties  that  were  in  treaty,  have  in- 
"  formed  each  party  what  the  other  propofcd,  and  aiked  them 
'  if  they  chofe  to  go  any  lower.-  If  they  would  not,  he  fhould 
have  tried  others ;  and  he  was  confident  a  better  bargain  by 
far  was  to  be  made  than  what  was  made.  At  thp  fame  time 
he  had  reafon  to  believe,  that  the  party  who  were  refufcd 
were  not  treated  fairly.  They  made  their  offer  in  fhori 
annuities,  not  knowing  that  they  were  difagreeable.  He, 
by  nice  arithmetical  calculations,  made  it  appear,  that  the 
bonus  was  equal  to  51.  i8s.  per  cent,  and  faid,  the  noble 
Lord  was  perfeftly  right  in  comparing  this  loan  of  his  with 
any  other  in  the  prefent  reign ;  but  what  fort  of  a  figure 
would  it  make  when  compared  with  the  loans  made  by  the 
Duke  of  Newcaftle  in  the  late  war  j  who,  although  obliged 
to  borrow  43,000,0001.  never  let  his  loans  bear  more  thao 
one  half  premium,  frequently  not  more  than  one,  and  once 
there  wis  a  difcount  upon  it.  The  noble  Lord  had  men- 
tioned the  reafon  of  the  lafl  loan  bearing  a  better  premium 
than  was  expefted,  to  be  a  tendency  to  a  peace.  He  fhould 
(as  it  wa^  rather  foreign  to  the  bufinefs  of  the  day)  hope  the 
noble  Lord  would  explain  to  the  Houfe  what  offers  of  peace 
had  been  made,  and  for  what  reafons  they  were  rejeSed.  No 
notice  of  any  fuch  offers  had  ever  been  made,  therefore 
certainly  the  Houfe  ought  to  know  what  terms  had  been 
offered,  and  the  reafons  why  they  were  pot  accepted  ;  as 
peace  was  a  bleiling  that  this  nation  moft  ardently  fighcd  for. 
He  reprobated  the  having  lotteries  fo  frequent ;  if  they  moll 
be  had,  let  them,  fays  he,  be  once  in  two  or  three  years, 
but  that  not  certainly  ;  then  perfons  will  not  make  a  trade 
of  it,  as  they  do  at  prefent.  •  The  method  taken  by  the 

.  noble 

A.  iy^i.      ^    D    E'  B    A    T    fi    S.  Jot 

noble  Lord  of  confining  loans  to  tlie  hands  of  a  few  perfonsj 
was,  he  faid,  the  completed  manoeuvre  that  could  be  played 
off;  for  under  that  dark  cloak  lay  all 'his  douceurs  to  con- 
traftors,  placemen,  menlbers  of  Parliament,  &c.  and  plainly 
fhewed  how  the  majorities  on  the  motions  refpeAing  the  na-^ 
vy  and  the  American  war  were  procured. 

The  noble  Lord's  mentioning,  that  the  additional  c?.pital 
ivas  only  a  mere  nominal,  and  not  a  real  fuifi,  was  undbubt- 
cdly  faying,  that  not  a  farthing  of  it  was  ever  to  be  paid  ; 
and  the  manner  in  which  the  noble  Lord^s  adminiftration  had 
gone  on,  made  it  appear  perfectly  fo  ;  and,  as  he  had  brought 
us  on  to  the  eve  of  a  bankruptcy,  it  would  undoubtedly  figni- 
fy  but  very  little,  whether  wc  broke  for  100,000,000,  or 
200,000  oool. 

Lord  A^ortb  rofe  again,  and  fdid,  that  a  proof  of  his  loan's  Ld.  N.rth. 
not  having  been  atrocioufly  bad  this  year,  was,  that  the  ho- 
nourable gentleman  had  not  given  it  very  harfli  epithets  of 
reproach.     It  was  a  proof  that  at  leaft,  if  it  was  not.  a  good 
bargain  for  the  public,  it  was  not  a  bad  one.     If  he  was  not 
better  than  the  Duke  of  Newcaftle,  it   Ihewed  at  leaft,  that 
he  was  improving,  and  on  the  mending  fide  himfelf.     The 
bonourabk  gentleman  had  mentioned  the  difcount,  as  an  ad« 
vantage   which  he  had  not  taken  into  the  confidcration,  in 
calculating  the  amount  of  the  bonus.     To  this  it  would  be 
neceflary  for  him  to  fay  a  few  words.     It  was  by  no  means 
ufual  to  take  in  the  difcount  as  a  part  of  the  douceur,  for  it 
was  a  naatter  held  out  only  as  a  temptation  to  the  fubfcribers 
for  prompt  payment ;    but  not  a  thing  which,  they  would  all 
naturally  enjoy  in  cojifequcnce  of  the  loan.     If  they  ftiOuld 
pay  their  money  inftantly,  they  would  be  intiilcd  to  the  dou-    . 
ceur  ;  but  if  ihey  Ihould  only  make  good  their  inftallments,    . 
they  would  undoubcedly  be  abje  to  derive  an  adequate  advan- 
tage from  their  money  employed  in  other  ufes.     The  noble 
Lord  entered  into  arithmetical  G«'\lculations  to  make  this  mat- 
ter clear  to  ihe  lioufc  ;  and  contended,  that  the  bonus  would 
not  be,  as  had  been  ftated  by  the  honourable  gentleman,  4U 
£Os.  or  5I.  los.  but  really  2I.  as  he  had  ftated,  or  perhaps  a 
trifle  more  if  the  funds  (lioiild  rife.     The  honourable  gentle- 
man, Mr.  Byng-,  had  faic!,  that  the. 4  per  cent,  would  open 
at  6>8;  or  at  leaft  that  there  were  bargains  already  made  at 
that-fum  ;  if  fo,  and  he  faw  no  reafon  to  doubt  but  it  would 
l>e  fo,  ihcn  there  would  be  an  increate  in   the  bonus  of   ten 
llnii lings ;  for  the  fubl'cribtrs  having  only  50I.  6(  4  per  cent, 
they  coulJ  gain,  no  more  than  ten  Ihillings  by  this  prohablf. 
Vol..  VL  R  r  .  .  bui; 

302  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  1782, 

but  1>y  no  means  c<irtain  llfate  of  thd  fund  at  its  cpefQiog  in  the 
month  of  April,  With  regard  to  the  heaviefk  charge  that 
had  been  brought  againft  him^  of  having  mpde  this  clof^  loan 
for  the  f^urpofe  of  influence,,  aad  that  there  was  fo  perfed  aa 
lind^ruanding  between  him  and  the  gentleaven  with  whom  he 
had  made  the  bargain,  that  he  was  able  to  coeceal  members 
of  that'  Houf^,  a:nd  buy  their  votes  by  giving  them  ar  ihare  of 
the  loan,  he  muft  anfwer,  and  declare  folcnwly  and  feriouflvj 
that  he  had  hot,  direftly  or  indireSly,  recommended  one  per- 
fon  to  either  of  tbofe  gentlemen ;  and  that  he  did  DOt  know 
wfco  were  the  pcrfohs  by  whom  they  were,  fuppojted  in  tiw 
heavy  fabfcriptipn.  They  had  iiwde  an  oflfcr  of  leaving  a 
part  for  the  great  Companies,  and  of  fuffering  hira  to  fill  up 
2,000,0001.  of  it  as  he  might  choofe.  To  this  he  perempto- 
rily 0'  jefted  ;  he  eafed  himrelf  of  xhc  load  totally^  atid  the 
bargain  was  concluded  on  the  ground  of  their-  taking,  pm- 
viding,  diftributing,  and  anfwering  for  the  whole.  la  this  he 
bad  it  in  his  pmver  to  fay,  what,  notwithftandingall  the  affcr- 
tions  of  gentlemen,  he  had  to  fty  in  the  former  year,  that  be 
had  not  given  fums  to  particular  gentlemen  bccaufe  thcj 
were  his  friends,  and  denied  it  to  others  bccaufe  they  were 
his  coctnies.  He  had  not  ftudied  the  advancement!  of  influ- 
ence in  thediftribation  of  that  loan;  but  had  as  nearly  as 
poffible  purfued  one  direft  rule  in  apportioning  the  furo  given 
to  the  Turn  fubfcribed«  He  had  not  marked  the  houfes  of 
fuch  bankers  and  lifierchants  as  might  be  conceived  inimical 
to  him  ;  it  would  be  bafe  and  difhonourable  in  him  to  have 
fuch  prejudices,  for  undoubtedly  the  public  loans  to  govem- 
ITient  were  not  to  be  confidered  among  the  gifts  which  mini- 
fters  had  to  confer.  It  was  true  that  members  of  that  Houfe 
bad  iubfcribed  to  the  laft  loan ;  and  their  pretenfions  to  do  1*0 
were  certainly  juft  and  admiffiblc  ;  for  why  fliould  raerobcrs 
of  that  Houfc  be  debarred  from  affifting  governmcat  ?  In 
order,  however,  to  prevent  all  imputatipns  of  partiality,  ttc 
rule  followed  with  refpeft  to  all  the  fubfcriptions  of  members 
was  to  givx  them  generally  io,ooqI,  Did  this  appear  lii^c 
manoeuvring  ?  He  was  fenfible  that  no  man  could  fay  fo  ;  or, 
if  they  did,  he  was  fuix;  they  could  not  produce  one  inftaact 
of  partial  and  improper  preference  Let  them  prove  hiw 
«;uilty  by  mentioning  one  inftance,  or  otherwifc  not  charge 
him  with  crimes,  of  which  they  could  not  prove  him  to  be 
ll^uilty.  With  refpeft  to  the  method  of  concluding  the  bar- 
gain in  the  prefent  inftance,  inftead  of  giving  it  to  one  fti^^ 
j;^Otlcmen, merely  bccaufe  Uiey  were  friendly,  aad  withholding 

A.  178^.  jD'  E    B    A    T'  £    S.         '•  303 

jt'frdm  odion^  beca^ife  ^hey  were  not  equally  ifo  difpofed  to 
-govermneot,  he  gave  the  Houfe  bis'  aiTorance,  ihat^he  l^ad  pre- 
'^srred  the  one  hangaih  to  the  other,  bcc^aie  it  was  ipQch  more 
iseneficial  to  the  public.  He  mail  add,  that  iie  ^had  not  men* 
JiiolQed  tD*tbe  fecbnd  fet  of  gcntlemenany  thing /of  withholding 
•from  the  long  annaitnes  ;  he.had  faid,  indeed,  thai  the  (hoiit 
iuuiuittes  would  not  be  eligible,  becaufe  they  were  low% 

Mr^  Byng  {aid  a  few  words  in  reply,  and  declared,  that  if  Mr.Byngr 
^he  Hbu^  had  enabled  him  to  go  iisto  the  proof  of  the  charges 
whlfch 'be  brought  againft  the  noblcLord  ra  *he  blcieTiband, 
and  if  they  would  yet^lve  him  the  opportunity, 'he  would 
fl^edge  <hiisxfelf  toprove  his  charges^  JBut  tlie  noble  Lord  had 
jaid,.  that  he  had  liiot  mentioned  to  the  gentlemen  who  made 
3;he  feoond  offer,  not  to  meddle  with  the  long  anauitiesv  In 
prder  to  prove  that  hehad  done  fo-in  part,  if  not  diresftly,  Mi*.^from  a  paper  iieat  out  by  itht^^noble  Lond  to  thole 
geoiJemen  a  N.  B.  which  informed  th.em  :that  tl^  annuity  of 
the  (three  per  cent,  was  to  comnience  on  the  5th  of  January, 
^nd  thofe  of  the  four  per  <^ei^.  on  the  5th  of  April.  It  fai^ 
^nothing  of  the  long  annuities*  MeaiTerted,  thefefot:e,rthat 
Jthefe  gentlemen  had  not  been  treated  with  fairnefs*  They 
had  nott.ati  equal  chance  with  thelothers,  and  this  .theWoute 
;would.  be  niore  firmly  convinced  of ,  when  he  informed  them, 
'that  when^they  went  and  made  their  offer  of  ^iliftance  tO'go- 
vernmeat,  the  noble  Lord  informed  them,, that  if  their -dmar 
was  only  equal  to  tliat of- the. other  gentlemen,  he  would  -give 
them  the  preference  :  if  it  was  lowcr^  indeed,  he  would  pre- 
fer them. 

Lord  North  faid  it  was  very  tnie,  he  had  done  -fo,  and  Ive  W.  North. 
thought  it  a  duty  as  much  incnmbent  upon  him  togivetbe^ 
:pteferencc  in  cafe  of  the  offers  b^ing  equal  to  thdfc  who  had 
'comerforward  firft,  as  it  would  be  mgivre  thole  who  carme  fe- 
cbnd, if  their  offer  fhould  be  lower  than  tbefi'fft. 

Mr.  Smith,  the  banker,  gave  the  Houfe  an  account  of 'Ibe  M^  Smith. 
•circunsftances  of  the  offer  that  was  made  by  tlie  fecohd  fet  ^f 
gentlemen,  the  bankers  in  London  having  canfidered  *he  inju* 
rics  they  might  fuftatn  from  the  partial  diftribution  of  a  1o»d 
lb  extcniive  as  the  prefent,  and  going  all  into  the- h^ndsdfia 
■few  men  of  one  particular  dcfcript^on  ;  and  alfo  dcftring  4hat 
the  bargain  fhould. not,  by  being  tlius  confin«d,  be  extrava- 
gant, had  met  together  and  determined  to  make  an  offer'to 
-government.  This  was  a  rcfolution  of'thc  b.%nkers  in  gene- 
ral, a;nd  they  .appointed  a  committee  to  negociarecthe  matter 
with  Lord  Norths    They  waited  on  him,  and  another-day 

R  r  2       '  was. 

304  P  A  R  1 1  A  NTE  N  T  A  R  Y=  A;  a;?!. 

frzi  appointed,  which  was  Saturday  laft.  Wl^cn  they  catnc 
*  Xo  the  place^  after,  receiving, fome  nccpffary  roformatton  for 
rrgulating  their  offer,  they  iaw  the  noble  Lord,  and  he  in- 
formed them,  that  if  theiroftcrfhould  be  lower  than  that  of 
the  other  i>^rty,  it  would. be  accepted  in  preference,- but  if  it 
iliould  only  be  eqiial,  that  tKen^the  other  party  would  be  pre- 
ferred.... This  was  an  indicajtion  06  partialityo  which  deicr- 
.  mined /crcral  of  the,gentlemcn  to  propofe' withdrawing,  en- 
tirely, without  making  any. offer  whatever^  for  when  they 
law  that  there  was  fach'a  difpofition  in  the  noble  Lorcl,  thcjr 
,  cQuW  odt,have  any  expcSation  cither  of  fairnefs  or  jufticcia 
WhtU  bargain.  Mr., Smith  confcffed  that  he  was  one  who  was 
tof'  thkopi-nion.  The  committee  confiftcd  of  ninegexitkoicD, 
and  four' of  them  thought,  that  after  £uch'*eftimony  -of  what 
tljey  .were  to  cxpeft,  they  ought  to  retire  without  makirjg  any 
olfer  whatever**  Other  gentlemen  oi  that  committee,  how- 
ever,, men  of  great  r  refpeft  and  experience,  were  of.  opinion 
that  they  ought  to  make  an  offer,  not  w.iih  an  intention  of 
.procuring  the  loan,  but  reducing  the  terms  to  an  Gecx>nomlicdl 
rate,  that  tlie^  nation  might  not  fufier  through  an  enormous 
bargain.  They  did  make  an'  offer,  but  it  was  not  fo  low  as 
they  Avbuld  have  given.  He  did  not  go  into  the  room  where 
the  nuble. Lord  was,  becaufe  hedifapprovcd  of  the  bufinefs; 
but  he  was  given  to  undeffta-nd,  that  they  offered  in  the  room 
to.  take  .the  whole,  o^  any  part  of  it,  at  aL'a  premiunD-,  and,  if 
it  lhk>uldbe  higher,  to  rcftore  the  furphis  :  Thisalfo  was  re* 
jf £^ed.  He  was  clearly  of  opinion,  that  the  bankers,  by  thcii 
conduft  on  this  occafion,  had  been  the  means  of  procuring  for 
the.  public  a  good  bargain;  but  they  had  fur  el  >'  beeia  thttti' 
ftlves  treated  pnfairly.  The^enikmen.  to  whom  the  loan 
was  all  given,  had  claims  of  a  nature-peculiar  to  iheiiWelvcs: 
One  ot  them  was  diftinguiilied  and'kiaowo  by  having  made  a 
fraudulent  contraft  with  the  roinifter,  by  which  the  public 
had  been  injured  to/a  cooflderable  amount;  and  it  Was  foinc- 
what  curious  to  fee  the  noble  Lord  roake  anoiher  bargain  with 
a  perfon  who  had  fo  deceived  him.  Hut  the  care  was  fo  ;  and 
to  this  gentleman,  among  others,  th.e  loan  was  given*  Another 
gentleman  was  the  knight  of  aihire,  who,  by  iuch  enormous 
influence  as  this  muft'give  him,  coukl  not  fail  of  rooting  out 
the  natural  family  inrerefl  in  that  county.  This-was  a  thing 
furely  wrong,  and  which  that  Houfe  ought  not  to  countenance. 
Ld.  Nortli.  -Lord  North  declared,  that  he  had  not  heard  aay  of'thcgen- 
tlemeq  fay  that  they  were  willing  to  tike  the  loan  at  2I.  prc- 
miujp.  ,         - 


A.  178a.  .D   .E  »  B.  .A  .  T    E    S.\   .  305 

Mr,  Alderman  Har/fyofiii^  that  he  was  the  author  of  the  Mr.  Aia, 
firft  prop^fal-that  was  made  to  government,  and  ^dcepted*.  "*'**y-  ,, 
Many  eon)plaint^  had  been  mfld^  of  the  open  iubfcripuon.  of 
laft  year.; .  and  undoubtedly  ,it  t»rr»ed  out- that  the  douceur" 
was  great.  Ht  had;  therefoire.,  projJofed  to  fionne  other  gen- 
tlemen, totnake  an  offer  to  government  for  a  private  rubfcrip* 
tion  on  tertp$  mode rj^tp  and  reafonable  to. both  parties.  The 
offer  had  been  jmade  in  Janujiry  laft,  was  fimply  thus; 
that  they  wguld  take  ftvennvUtons  of  jr  at  a  premium,  from 
two  to  il^riee.  per  cent,  leavin^.itin  the  minifter'5  power  to  fill 
up  the  remaiader,  or  they^i^uki  take  thcwhole  on  the  fame 
tern)8.  Nqw  it-had  been  faid  that  the  noble  Lord  in  thq  blue 
riband  refufed  to  admit  ihe.feCQnd  party  of  gentleman  to  a 
fhare  in.the.lp?.nt,  in  cafe  the  tvyo  offers  Ihould  be  equal.  He 
thought  the  noble  Lord  was. in  xhfi  right  to  fay  ib  ;  for  furely 
if  the  offej§  .Were,  equal,  theifirft  who  prcfcnt  thcmfelves  for 
the  accomodation  of  governnicniy  had  the.  beft  title  ;  and  he, 
for  one,  would  not  have 'agreed  that  they  (houldhave  been 
admitted,  after  they  had  formed  the  plan,  and  come  with  the : 
meritorious  claim  of  being  thd  firft  to  affift  pjovernment  in  a 
critical  moicnent,  at  a  moderate  rate.  In  a  former  loan,  two 
years  ago,  Mr.  Atkinfon,  he,  and  fome  other  gentlemen,  pro- 
pofed  to  take  three  millions  of  the  loan  upon  themlelvcs  ;  but 
the  miniftcr  faid,  that  the  offer  which  they  made  was  not.fuch 
a  one  as  he  could  carry  to  Parliament.  Upon,  which  he  an- 
fwered^  that  if  the  (rffer  was  not  fuch  as  he,  theminilter, 
could  propofe,  it  was  not  fuch  as  he,  a  member  of  Parliament, 
ought  to  agree  to  ;  and  fay.i'ng  this,  he  left  his  three  millions, 
and  the  room ,  On  the  prefcnt  occaiion  they  were  anxious  to 
affifl  government  on  modefate  terms,  and  they  had  dope  ihm  ^ 
Their  offer  was  accepted  becaufc  it  was  the  beft. 

Mr.Tl  Tbww^^/i^fpokeof  theveryfinepropofitionswhichthe  ^^r.  Thon 
noble  Lord  in  the  blue  riband  had  made,  refpefting  the  firmnefs  Townfhcnd 
and  iimpartiality  with  which  he  had  afted.  Would  thofe  peo- 
ple who  were  about  him  make  the  fame  declaration  !  Would 
the  Secretaries  of  theTrcafury  fay  that  they  would  not  lecora- 
mend  the  proper  pcrfons  to  fill  up  the  lifts  of  thofe  gentleman 
who  were  to  have  the  loan  !  But  indeed,  when  fuch  men  were 
to  have  it,  it  was  hardly  necefl'ary  to  have  any  facret  in]unc- 
tions  whatever.  He  looked  upon  the  prefent  as  the  rooft  art- 
ful fcheme  of  promoting  the  influence  of  miniftry,  which 
had  been  hitherto  praftifed.  It  prevented  deteftion,  and  en  • 
ablcd  them  to  put  on  their  creatures  op  the  lift  without  any 
fear  of  that  ex|)Ofure  which  they  fuffcred  laft  year.      He 


3aS  PARL;IAMiEMTARY  A.i^ii. 

mentioned  the  cafe  0f  ^be  !Dake  of  f^ewcaftl^s  loans,  and 
*    Ihewed  how  much  fuperior  <thc3r  were  to  the  j^refent* 

Dm  ^^o"d  ^''*  •'^'^  IMimmond  rofe,  and  averred,  that  thisre  was  one 
ranmon  ^£^  \o^ti%  of  rfic  Duke  of  Ncwcaftte  whi«h  We  -a  doqcear 
'  -of  three  per  cent.  He  wa«  feaionably  told  of  it,  and  he 
-thought  it  a  very  good  thYi>g,  and  determined  4o  liavea  flice. 
He  applied  inftantly,  for  viflienever  a  man  wi(hed  to  procure 
;any  of  «he  good^hings  that  were  going,  he  muA  not  protrai^ 
ihis  application  ;  aad  another  gtmleman  and  he  got  a  good 
iOoinfortaisie  "{hape  of  it.  It  was  the  iirft  loan  in  which  he 
-ever  had  any  concern  Afcer  this  ^ime,  it  Tofe  even  1 1  per 
4tent.  more.  -He  had  Jtbe  ideareft  recolleAion^i^'lt,  -for  he 
-never  forgot  things  <of  that  kind. 

Mr.  Robin-  '  Mr.  Robinfin  faid,  in  anfWef  to  Mr.  T.  Tnnwilfl^effd,  that 

^'**  t»pon  ki4  honour  he  had  not,  and  iie  would  <not  recommend 

mny  one  perfon  to  the  gentlen»en  who  had  tbeldan. 

Sir  Grey        Skx  Grey  Oiop0r  AecWftA  upon  his  honour,  a^  a  gentleman, 

Cooper,  rwhich  he  preferred  to  his  iituation,  that  he  had  not,  and 
would  not  recommend  any  perfon.  They  could  not  aft  la 
idifobedience  of  ;he  noble  Lord*8  orders. 

Mr.  Huflcy  "Ms*  Hujpy  alked  foftie  c^ueftions  in  order  to  &tisfy  him- 
-fclf,  whether  the  firft  party  of  gentlemen  had,  from  the  be- 
ginrting,  held  forth  th«  fame  terms,  or  whether  they  had  not, 
ion  thelaft  day,  in  confequence  of  the  appearance  of  a  new  let 
<>f  fubfcribers,  lowered  their  terms  as.  6d.  in  the  annuity, 
rand  brought  it  froift  aos.  to  178.  6d.  ?  Being  informed  that 
.they  ihad  made  the 'fame  0iFer  all  along,  he  agreed  ^at  the 
cprelent  bargain  was>  better  dsan  all  Lord  Nocth^s  former  bar- 

Mr.  Burke.  •  Mr.  Burie  examined  the  noble  Lord^s  'petetfiions  to  credit 
and  praife  inhis'ba?gain.  It  had  been  declared,  tha£  the  be- 
nefit of  competition  was  to  prpdoce  an  advantageous  'bargain. 
This,  however,  the  noble  Lord  had  totally  overlooked,  had 
emitted  to  take  the  advantage  whkh  was  dedlared^bepe- 
^coUar  to  this  fpecies  of  loan  ;  he  had  kept  them -aftrndcr,  and 
•had  taken  the  loweft  without  eml- avouringto  get  lower.  He 
•remarked  of  Mr.  Alderman  Harley,  and  his  delicacy  in  WJt 
taking  a  fhare  in  a  loan  of  which  he  difapproved,  that  i^t: 
-year  he  had  fupported  the  rooft  enormous  loan  fha|  was  ever 
tfougbt  forward  to  any  Parliament,  He  btarned  the  condo^ 
iof  the  mi  nifter  through  the  whoifc  of  this  butinerfs.  The  bit 
year  he  had  made  an  mfamou^ibacgain  in  a  bungling  manner. 
\He  now  wifhed  to  make  a  bargain  equally  advantageous  to 
influence  withiiMM^fafety  ;  and'hedeckwjed^  that  Parlianicai 
-•  ougi-: 

A.  178a,  D    E    B    A    T    E    S.  307 


ought^  if  they  were  wife  offhoneft>racvMrb.a,prafticc,wbidt, 
above  all  othersi,  was  deftru&Ive  of  their  independence., 

The<^ueftiOR  waS'Qow  put,  and  agreed,  to  without  a  divi- 

Februarys  2(x» 

Sir  Grey  Gobper  moved,  that  the  repo^r  from  the  committee  sir  Grey 
of  ways  ^nd  means  be  brought  up»  Cooper. 

Sir  Philip  Jennings  Gierke  defired  firft  to  have  fome  explof  sir  Philip 
nation  on  t(ie  fubjed  of  peniions  granted  to  the  American  rc^  J.  Clerkc, 
fugecs.    He  underftood  tiiat  about  20^ocx)l.  had  been  granted 
this  yettr  more  tlian  the  laft ;  and  that  the  whole  amounted 
to  8b,oool.  for  the  year.     He  wilhed  to  be  informed,  if  in 
the  above  fum  was  included  the  civil  eftabliflimeat  of  officers 
formerly  under  the  Crown  in  America;  he  had  heard,  and 
he  wiilied  to  know  if  what  he  had  heard  was  true,  that  (bme  ' 
of  thofe  officers  received  their  full  falarie%  and  a  confiderable 
pcniioa  into  the  bargam,  inft^ad  of  being  as  th&y  ought  ta 
he  like  officers  out  of  employment,  put  on  half-pay.     He 
advtfcd  the  nohle  Lord  to  nUake  their  iituatioaseafy,  by  tack- 
ing them  to  contrails. 

Lord  J^ortb  fet  the  honourable  member  right  with  refpeft  LordKorth* 
to  the  fums ;  the  whole  amount  inftead  of  8o,ocol.  as  the  ho- 
nourable baronet  had  ftated  it,  was  only  68^0ool.  and  the 
excefs  of  this  year  was  not  of  20,OOol.  but  of  about  10,5001.* 
This  excefs  be  had  accounted  for  yefterday  in  the  committee  ; 
and  upon  tihe  whole,  by  joining  the  .  expence  of  the  prefent 
year  and  the  next,  it  would  turn  out  .eventually,  that  the 
expenditure  for  this  year  would  not,  in  faft,  be  greater  than 
that  of  the  laft.  Among  the  refugees  there  were  certainly 
many  officers  of  th,e  Crown,  who  had  enjoyed  places  in  Ame- 
rica .;  and  for  the  moft  part,  they  did  not  get  as  much  yearly 
from  the  Treafury  as  they  ufed  to  get  by  their  places .:  there 
were  others  wbofe  peniions  were  larger  than  their  former  fala- 
rics  ;  but  then  it  was  bccaufethe  places  fuch  perfons  filled  had 
very  tricing  faiaries  annexed  to  them,  and  fuch  as  could  not 
fiipport  men,  the  emolumen's  of  the  office  arifing  from  fees. 

Sir  Philip  Jennings  Gierke  did  not  appear  to  be  very  well  Sir  Philip 
fatisfied  with  the  anfwer;  he  thought  the  refugees  ought  to  J«  Gierke. 
go  back  to  America,  and  become  ferviceable  to  government, 
and  not  rernain  like  drones  in  this  countny  :  if  there  were  any 
Englifiimen  among  the  refugees,  the  noble  Lord  had  various 
virays  of  providing  fpr  them,  without  burdening  the  country 
With  an  enormous  penfijn  lift ;  he  faid  that,  on  fome  future 
(lay^  he  would  move  to  have*  the  refugee  lift  laid  before  the 

Houfe ; 


08  P  A  R  L  I  AM  E  N  t  AR  Y  A.  i),82. 

lioufe  :  at  all  events  be  would  oppolc  the  report;^  until  fuffi- 
cient  explanation  (hould  be  p;iven  on  that  head. 
TheSpcik-      The  Speaker  informed  the  honourable  member,  that  there 
«•  was  no  ground  for  oppofing  the  bringing  up  of  the  report, 

from  any  thing  relating  to  the  refugee  penfion  lift  ;  for  it  had 
not  yet  been  voted  :  the  noble  Lord  had  indeed  mentioned  it 
ycfterday  in  his  general  eftimate  of  the  expences  of  the  cur- 
rent year;  but  he  did  not  propofe  it  to  the  committee,  to  be 
voted  then  ;  the  day  would  come,  when  the  honourable  mem- 
ber would  have  an  opportgnity  of  oppoling  this  lift,  if  hs 
wifhed  fo  to  do,  when  an  application  fhould  be  made  to  the 
committee  of  fupply,  1{>ecincally   for  the   payment  of  the 
American  penfions.     It  was  a  rule  of  the   Houfe,  that  the 
ways  and  means  (hould  not  exceed  the  fupply  :  the  ways  and 
means  voted  laft  night  amounted  to  13,500,0001.  but  then 
they  were  covered  by  the  fupply  already  granted*:  when  the 
iVims  which  remained  to  be  voted  (hould  be  called  for,  then 
as  the  penfion  Irft  was  among  them,  the  honourable  member 
might  oppofe  it ;  and  if  it  fliould  be  reje(f^ed,  there  would  of 
courfe   be  a  proportionably   Icfs  fum  voted   in  Exchecjucr 
Mr. Martin'-    Mr.  Martin  dcclarctl,  he  had  intended  to  make  a  few  re- 
marks on  the  loan  the  preceding  day,  but  gentlemen  fcemcJ 
fo  impatient  to  attend  to  other  avocations,  more  agreeable,  tho* 
leftufeful,  peihaps,  than  attending  their  duty  in  that  Houfe, 
tiiat  he  would  not  detain  them  to  hear  what  he  had  to  fay. 
With  regard  to  the  noble  Lord's  having  been  partial  in  dif- 
tributipg  the   loan,  he  thought  it  right,  as  belonging  to  a 
banking-houfe  in  the  city,  to  fay,  he  had  never  been  partial 
to  him  one  way  or  the  other,  and  that  for  the  beft  reafon  in 
the  world,  viz.  becaufe  he  had  never  applied  for  any  part  of 
a  loan,  not.wifhing  to  add  a  penny  to  his  fortune,  by  taking 
advant^igc  of  the  public  neceflity,  and  being  determined  not 
to  contribute  any  the  leaft  ailiftance  towards  carrying  on  the 
abominable,  ruinous,  and  vvicked  American  war.     With  re- 
gard to  the  loan,  it  certainly  vvas  a  better  bai^ain  for  the 
country  than  that  of  laft  year,  but  he  did  not  much  approve 
of  thofe  who   were  felefted   as   the   money-lenders  ;  one  of 
themj  Mr.  Atkinfon,  appeared  to   him  an  improper  perfon 
for  tlie  noble  Lord  to  have  any  farther  conneftion  with,  bo- 
caufe  he  had  proved  himfelf  already,  to  fay  no  worfe  of  hii 
conduft,  too  cunning  for  tJie  Treafury. ,  Ai  to  Mr.  Drutn- 
mond,  he  had  no  manner  of  r;hjeftio'i  to  him  ;  it  was  \m  the 

fair  Ime  of  his  buftnefs  to  undertake  a  part  oi  the  loan,  hut 


A.  I78«.  D   E    R  A  .T '  E  Si  309 

he  could  not  at  all  think  that  pving  a  large  portion  of  it  to 
the  right  honourable  gentleman,  who  was  a  Privy  Connfcl- 
Ibr,  and' a  county  member,  was  right.  He  certainly  might 
bedmployed  in  a  more  dignified  manner  than  in  diftriburing 
ferip.  Mn  Martin  faid,  he  was  glad  to  hear .  th6  noble^ 
Lord'  intended  to  check  the  mifchievous  abufc  of  lotteries. 
Gambling  in  higR  life,  he  was  ready  vo  agrecy  no  laws  could 
ftop'cntirfely',  but  he  did  not  entertain  the  fame  opinion  with 
regard  to  the  middling  and  lower  ranks  of  life.  Their  in-' 
dtnatiofli  to  gamble,  might,  he  thoaght^  be  eafily  limited 
bylaw,  and  reftrsgned  altogether. 

General  Smith  alked  a  queftion  relative  to  the  50^000!.  OeBeral 
which  the  noble  Lord  had  faid  the  day  before  he  meant  to  re-  Smifc. 
fcrve  for  the  payment  of  the  faltpetrc  contrad, 

Mr.  Kenrick  informed  the  Houfc,  that  he  had  caufed  a  ftateiMr.  Ken* 
of  the  contrafl;  to  be  laid  before  the  Attorney  and  Solicitor  "*^*^ 
General  for  their  opinion,  and  to  know  how  it  cotld  be  ref- 
ci-ndcd,  if  it  was  an  improper  contraft.    Before  he  got  the 
an(w6r  of  the  Crown  lawyers,  Mr.  Townfon  waited  on  the 
fioaTcfbf  hi^owA  accord,  and' offered  to  giVe  up  the  contract, 
nay,  he  infifted  6n   it  :  but  the  Boai*d  fearing  the  want  of 
faltpetre,  refifted  Mm  \  he  then  offered  to  fubmit  the  affair 
t?o  the  arbitration' of  any  fet  of  gentlemen,  or  to  abide  By^ 
whatever  terras  the  Board  ihould  think  propef  to  diftate :  Wi*. 
Townfon,  in  a  word,  afted  in  a  v6ry  handfome,  gentlemanlike* 
marxner  ;  and   th^  Board  agreed*  to  pay  him  at  the  rate  o? 
10  per  cent,  over  and*  above  th^  prime  coft-;  which  prime/ 
coft  was-  not  yet  knovWi  to  the  B6artl. 

Mr.'i?f^ywi(Aed'that  theeorttraft  Ihouldbe  completely  Mr.Httffcy; 
i»efeiiid'^d  ;  not  did^hcthink  thstt  fli^  appreherifion  of  the  waritf 
ef  faitj^etre  was  fey  any  meansr  vvett  ftJuifded :  for  he  undet- 
ffood'th^t  4!hc'artnu<fl  confumptibti  of  iilVpetre  for  the  Gtx!- 
jwin<*e^v^8'about*i'4^  tbns;    Ndw there  were  in  die  To wctf 
of  London,  lOObmhs'belonging' to  the  India  Gompany,ahcT 
at'tlieir'Vrarchoufe'200  tons  more' :  the  Prime  and  Belmpntf 
IncJiatnen  had  lately  brought  hodiefcveral  hundred  tons;  fo^ 
that  there  was  very  little  room  for  fuppofing  that  the'Bpai^rf 
could  be  diftreffed  for  faltpetre. 

The  5/y?afcr  was 'obliged  a^rt  to  interfere,  srs  before;  fayirig  TheSpwlM 
that'  the  felfpetrt^  contraft  was  not  then  before  the  Hbaf(^.  ^^^ 
The  report  Wks  read  ^Wiccf ;  and  after  fomc  little  convcffa- 
tion^   was  agreed'to  without  a  diviiion,  and  a^  bill  or  bills 
were'  ordered^in  thcre\i|Jort.  , 

Vofcv'VI.-  &S'   ,  Fehruar^ 

«.'«*•  I. 

3!o  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  I'j^a 

February  27. 
.  The  ShcrifFs  of  London  prcfented  at  the  bar  a  petition  of 
the  Lord  Mayor,  Aldermen,  and  Commons  of  the- City  of 
London,  in  Common-council  affembkd,  fetting  forth, -that 
the  petitioners,  in  the  prefcnt  ftate  of  public  affairs, "  moved 
by  every  fentiment  that  can  iroprefs  the  human  mind  with 
regard  for  the  common  welfare  of  this  kingdom  and  its  de- 
pendencies,/are  impelled  to  implore  this  honourable  Houfc  to 
interpofe,  in  fuch  manner  as  to  their  wifdom  fhall  feem  raoft 
cfFcflual,  for  preventing  the  continuance  of  the  unfortunate 
war  with  America.     The  petition  was  ordered  to  lie  on  the 
llr  Aider-      Mr,  Alderman  Newnham  juft  rofe  to  inform  the  Houfe  that 
ham^**"'  the  city  had  been  unanimous  in  this  petition,  as  they  were 
ipoll  heartily  tired  of  the  American  war* 

■Motion  for  putting  an  end  to  offinfivi  war  with  jtmerica. 

Cenernl  General  Cqnvjay  rofe  at  half  paft  four  o'clock,   to  renew  his 

on  way.      a^ttcmpC  to  bring  the  Houfc  to  agree  with  biro,   that,  in  the 

prefcnt  pofture  of;  our  affairs,  it  would  be  inexpedient  and 

improper  any  longer  to  profecutethe  American  war.     Hede- 

fired  that  the  petition  from  the  cities  of  London  and  Briftol 

might  he  read,  he  declared  that  firm  as  he  was  in  his  opinion 

on  Friday  laft,  of  the  ncceffity  of  putting  an  end  to  the  Ame- 

ncan  war,  he  had  this  day  been  if  poffible  more  confirmed  ; 

for  the  iirfl  trading  city  in  the  world,-  ha4  petitioned  againft 

the   war,  and  they  undoubtedly  were  the  beft  judges  -of  its 

effefl^?.     He  had  feveral  inducements  to.  renew  his  motion : 

he  would  do  it  from  a  principle  of  duty  to  his  country,^ohis 

conftituents,  and  tohimfelf;  and  fo  deep  was  theimpreffion 

which  the  calamities  and  difG:races  of  this  unnatural  and  cruel 

war  had  made  upon  him,  that  while  he  had  a  mind  to  think, 

a  heart  to  feel,  or  a  tongue  to  fpeak,  he  never  would  relax  in 

Lis  endeavours  to  point  out  the  neceility  of  putting  an  end  to 

It,     Another  inducement  was,*  that  the  laft  queflion,  which 

'    he  had  the  honour  of  fubmitting  to  the  Houfe,  had  been  loft, 

or  as  iijme  Vvould  call  it  carried,  by  fo  very  fmail  a  majority  ; 

and  he  had  llncc  converfed  with  fo  many  members,  who  were 

ablcnt  when  thatqueftion  was  difcuifed,  and  who  had  aiTured 

,.     him  that  If  they  had  been,  prefent  when  it  was  pixipofed  they 

ivould  have  voted  for  it  ;  that  be.  could  not  bring  himielf  to 

think,  that  the  fcnfe  of  the  Houfe  could  fairly  V  laid  to  hare 

nccn  taken   on  theiubjeft  ;  members  had   frequenilv   made 

light  of  their  attendance,  but  he  be  wed.  them  toconfidcr  and 

reflect  that  perhaps  all  the  mifchiefs  and  calainiues  of  that 

A.  17^2.  DEBATES.  311 

war  were  now  to  be  attributed  to  the  abfcnce  of  a .  fingle 
member.    "But  thcfe  were  not  his  only  inducements ;  he  had 
ftill  another,  from  whidj  he  expdfttd  no  inconfiderable  ad*' 
Vantage;  two  members  of  great  weight,  and  defervedly  of 
great  weight  in  that  HoufeJ^Mr.  Rigby  and  the  Lopd  Advo- 
cate] 6ad,  in   the  late  debatfe  on  the' American  war,  fairly  . 
confeffed  that  they  were  tired  of  the  war ;  they  had  declared 
thcmfelvies  .converts  to  the  opinion  of  its  impraAicability  ; 
and  they  had  delivered  themfelvcs  on  that  fubjeft  in  a  very 
manly  manner  :  all  he  regretted  was,  that  they  had  n^t,  fol- 
lowed up  their  manly  declaration  with  a  'manly  vote  for  the 
Addrefs.     They  were  now  avowed  xonverts ;  the  light  had 
fhonc  upon  them,  they  we^-e  thrown  down  from  their  high 
horfe  of  flarvation  and  unconditional  fubmiflion,  but,  unlike 
Paul,  after  his  converfion,  they  had  not  become  the  cham* 
pions  of  that  people  and  caufe  of  which  tbey  nad  been  fuch 
violent  perftcutorsr  Their  conduft  appeared  to  him  perfeftly 
inexplical)le  :  and  if  he  rnight  borrow  an  image  from  thfe 
facred  text^  he  might  fay  that  they  and  others  had  received  the 
gift  of  tongues  ;  cloven  tongues  had  fallen  upon  them  ;  not 
tongues  of  truth. a«d  fincerity,   but  double  tongues;  they       , 
had  one  tongue  for  Parliament,  and  another  for  private 
companies;  with  the v one  they  cenfured  and  condemned  the 
American  war,  and  with  the  other,  they  vot^d  againft  every    . 
proportion   that  had  a  tendency  to  put  an  end  |:o  it :  the 
world  would  judge  of  the  confiftenoy  of  fuch  condu£V,  and 
thei^own  honour  would  tell  them  how  unworthy  it  was  of 
them. — He  wasforry  to  fay  tliat  thefe  tvvo  members  were 
not  th«  only  two,  who  were  gifted  with  thefe  cloven  tongues: 
he  had  dined  in  company  with  an  honeft  plain  foldier  a  few 
days  ago,  who  obfervcd,  that  he  never  had  been  more  afto- 
niihed  than  at  hearing  many  members  of  Parliament  mod 
heartily  condemn  in  coffee-houfes,  the  very  fame  mealurcs 
for  which. he  had  feen  them  the  moft  ft renuous  advocates  in 
Parliament:  whether  it  wa$  matter  of  aftonifhment  or  noly 
it  was  an  undoubted  fa^,  that  the  reprefenta^ion  of  the  old 
officer  was  founded  in  truth;  and  that  there  were  but  too 
many  peribns  within  thoi^  walls^  who  could  bear  witneis  to 
it.     Upon  all  thofc^  who  fpoke  thus  with  double  tongues,  he 
called,  to  refleft  upon  the  calamities  which  by  their  conduft 
they  would  be  inftrumental  in,  heaping  upon  their  country  ; 
and  he  hoped  that  all  feofe  of  honour  and  patriotifm  was  r.oi 
completely  extinguifhed  in  their  breafts,  but  that  they  muft 
bp  rpufed  to  a  total  dcrcliftion  of  ihofe  principles,  upon 

S^J       ^    •  wbicli 

3U  PARLIAMENTARY        A.i78a. 

wjbich  they  had  hitherto  enabled  roinifters  to  undo  their 
countryv  • 

To  the  -^motiony  which  he  had  the  honour  to  fubmit'  to 
the  Houfe  on  Friday  laft,  he  uoderftood  there  were  two  ob- 
jections; and  as  they  might  perhaps  be  made  with  equal  f>ro- 
jpriety  againft  the  motton,  whict#he  intended  to  naake  at  the 
end  of  his  fpeech,  he  would  endeavbur,  as  well  as  he  could, 
to  remove  them.  One  objeftion  was^  th^t  i(  was  unconfti- 
tutional  in  that  Houfe  to  interfere  with  its  advice  in  thofe 
things,  which  fpecially  and  indifputahly  belonged  to  the  ex- 
ecutive power.  This  was  a  pofiti9n,  which  none  could  have 
been  hardy  enough  to  have  made,  if  they  had  been  at  all 
verfed  in  the  hiftory  of  Parliament.  Minifters  could  not 
find  time  enough  to  look  into  the  Journals  of  the  Houfe; 
they  confined  their  ftudy  entirely  to  one  book;  and  in  the 
contents  of  ir,  they  were  certainly  well  verlcd;  the  book  he 
alluded  to  was  the  red  book;  it  was  in  that  they  found  the 
greateft  comfort,  amufemenf,  and  affiftance;  it  was  there 
they  found  the  calendar  of  their  faints,  whofe  patronage 
they  experienced  on  alloccafions:  but  if  they  could  have 
fpared  a  fmall  portion  of  their  time  for  the  reading  of  the 
Journals,  they  would  have  found  that  the  objedion  which 
had  been  made  to  his  motion,  as  if  it  militated  againft  the 
principles  of  the  conftitution,  was  founded  in  falfehood; 
for  it  appeared  from  the  Journals,  that  from  the  days  of  Ed- 
ward the  Third  down^o  the  prefent  reign,  ParUam«#t  had 
at  all  times  given  advice  to  the  Crown,  in  matter-;  relatiag 
to  war  and  peace.  In  the  reign  of  Richard  the  Second,  it 
had  been  frequently  done;  and  alfo  in  that  of  Henry  die 
Fourth.  There  was  one  remarkable  inftance  of  this  in  the 
reign  of  Henry  the  Seventh ;  that  Prince  confulted  his  Par- 
liament refpcfting  the  propriety  of  fupporting  the  Dukeot 
Brittany  againft  France;  and  alfo  of  declaring  war  againft 
the  latter;  and*  he  told  his  Parliament  that  it  was  for  do 
^ther  purpofe  than  to  hear  their  advice  on  thefe  heads,  that 
he  called  them  together.  In  the  reign  of  James  the  Firftj 
the  Padiament  iflterfcred  repeatedly  with  their  advice  rc- 
Ipefting  the  Palatinate,  the  match  with  Spain,  and  a  deda- 
raiion  of  war  againft  that  power.  In  the  days  of  ^Charles 
the  Firft  tlicre  were  fimilar  interferences ;  in  the  reign  of  his 
ion,  Charles  the  Second,  the  Parliament  made  repeated 
rcmonftrances,  but  particularly  in  1674  and  1675,  ^ 
the  fubjeft  oF  the  alliance  with  France,  which  they 
urged  to  be  renounced;  and  recommeoded  a  ftrift  «niofl 
wiLi  the  United  Provinces;  ic  was  true,  that  to  thefe  re* 


ii.  X78a.     .  D    E  "B    A    T    E   8.  313 

lyionftmnees,  oKey  liad  received  anfwers  wbick  were  hy  tvj 
means  plcftling  or  fatisfaftory ;  they  were  told  that  Aey  were 
exceeding  the  tine  of  their  daty,  and  encroaching  upon  the 
prerogative  of  the  Crown:  but  fo  Uttle  did  the  Commons  ^ 
that  day.reli^  tbofc  anfwertfy  that  th.ey  addrefled  tlie  King 
to  fcnow  who  it  was  that  had  advifed  liis  Majefty  to  make 
fuch  anfwers  to  tfceir  loyal  and  conftitutional  re«Kraftrances  ? 
In  the  reign  of  'King' William,  repeated  inftances  were  to  be 
found  in  the  Journals,  of  advice  given  by  Parliament  rela- 
tive to  the  Irifh  war,  and  Ae  war  on  tbc  continent  t  the  lite 
occurred  ^frequently  in  the  reign  of  Qpeen  Anne*  and  one 
addreis,  in  particular,  advifed  the  Queen  not  to  make  peace 
with  France,  until  Spain  fhould  be  fecured  to  Auftr ia ;  nay, 
it  went  fo  far  as  to  advife  her  Majefty  not  to  coafent  to  peace 
•until  Dunkirk  fhould  be  demolifhed. 

Again  ft  fuch  a  torrent  of  precedents,  he  afked,  who  could 

contend  ?  ^A  man  muflr  fly  in  the  face  of  common  fenfe  atid 

convidion,  who  could,  after  hearing  them,  continue  to  fay 

that  the  motion  which  he  had  fubmitted  to  the  Houfe  on 

Friday,  was  in  its  nature  unparliamentary  and  unconftttu-* 

tionaL     He  would  take  it  then  for  granted,  for  he  wouki 

not  infult  the  Houfe  with  a  doubt  on  the  fubjed,  that  he  had 

removed  the  objeftion  that  had  been  made  to  his  motion  oa 

this  ground;  he  had  proved  it  to  be  conftitutional.  He  would 

next  endeavour  to  fatisfy    the  minds  of   thofe  gentlemen 

-who  had  urged    this   other .  objeftion   to   it — that   it  was 

obfcurely  and  indiftinftly  worded.     The  motion  went  to 

advife  his  Majefty  to  order  his  minifters  to  renounce  the  war 

on  the  continent  of  America,  for  the  imprafticable  objcft  of 

reducing  the  colonies  by  force.     The  objeft  of  the  ftiotion 

was,  in  his  mind,  very  clearly  expreifed ;  it  was  to  give  up 

the  idea  of  conqueft,    and  confequcntly,    of   an  .offenfive 

war ;  but  here  the  ingenuity  of  fome  gentlemen  had  l^een 

exerted  to  render  the  meaning  of  the  words  **  oflenfive"  wai: 

unintelligible.     For  his  part,  without  deriving,  or  at  leaft 

wifhing  to.  derive,  any  knowledge  from  his  profeffion,  but 

judging  merely  as  a  private  man,  he  knew  very  diftlnft^y 

the  meaning  of  thefe  words ;  an  offenfive  war,  was  a  war  i« 

which  attempts  were  made  by  an  army,  to  poffcfs  themfcjves 

of  what  they  had  not  before ;  a  defenfive  war  was  that  in 

which  they  confined  all  their  exertions  to  defend  that,  of 

ivhich  they  were  already  in  poflVffion.     Upon  this  principle, 

could  any  one  miftake  the  real  meaning  of  his  motion  ?  He 

liad  not  faid  a  fyllable  of  withdrawing  our  troops  from  the 

places  which  they  aftually  held;  he  h^d  not  advifed  any  fuch 

4  *  meafure; 

3i4  PARLIAMENTARY  A.  178^ 

laeafure;  and  he  would  not.sidviic  it ;  petliaps  lie  would  rather 
condemn  it*  But  then  while  he  admitted  that  it  would  be 
proper  to  keep  the- polls  we  now  have  in  America,  it  might 
be  laid  to  him,  "  You  are  arc  a  friend  to  polls ;  furely  then 
you  coald  have  no  objection  to  our  Ihifting  our  polls,  if  we 
could  find  others  more  advantageous  than  thofe  which  we 
already  hold.'* — But  his  anfwer  to  this  would  be,  "  No, 
you  muft  not  change  your  polls;  fpr  then  you  a£l  ofFenlxve- 
Iv,  by  taking  places  which  you  did  not  before  hold ;  aod 
this  kind  of  war  is  condemned  by  the  motion."  He  might 
next  he  alked.  What  kind  of  war  could  be  carried  on  from 
thefe  polls  ?  His  anfwer  would  be — no  kind  of  war  whatever, 
except  for  felf-dcfence ;  fuch  a  war  as  General  Elliot  wages 
at  Gibraltar;  and  fuch  a  war  as  General  Murray,  it  was 
faid,  had  lately  waged  at  Fort  St.  Philip,  .where,  by  a 
fpirited  and  well- timed  fally,  the  works  of  the  enemy  ncar- 
cll  the  place  had  been  deftroyed  :  thks  kind  of  war,  and  this 
ODly,  would  be  permitted  under  the  motion  :  any  other  kind 
of  war  in  America  he  mull,  in  the  prefent  lituation  of  our 
affairs  condemn  :  the  changing  of  polls  would  Xubjeft  us  to 
enormous  expences ;  we  Hiould  be  obliged  to  take  the  field; 
to  provide  baggage  waggons,  (ick  waggons,  •  pontons,  io- 
trenching  tools,  and,  a  tUoufarni  other  things,  which  •would 
iubjeft  us  to  the  fame  expence,  as  the  field  operations  whicb 
wc.  had  hitherto  carried  on  without  advantage,  but  to  the 
lofs  of  our  armies,  our  treafures,  and  the  beft  blood  of  the 
nation.     The  fpccies  of  war  which  he  would  think  allow- 

.  ^  able,  might  be  undenlopd  by  a  man  of  the  plaineft  fenfe, 
.without  going  to  Monf,  Guibert's  Military  Principles,  or  the 
Reveries  of  Marfhal  Saxe.— He  wilhed  that  there  were  not 
reveries  among  our  minifters;  the  pleafing  dreams  llipt  from 
the  ivory  gate,  fei zed  their  fancies,  and  playing  before  thcif 
imaginations,  kept  them  as  infenlible  to  tha  real  interefts  of 
tbeir  country  as  if  they  were  of  another  country. 

Such  were  his  anfwers  to  the  objeftions  Hated  to  his  mo- 
tion; fuch   his.  fentimcnts  with  refpedl  to   the  manner  in 

•  which  the  troops  in  America  (hould  be  ordered  to  a£l.    He 

adverted  to  what  had  fallen  from  Mr.  Secretary  Ellis,  on 
the  former  debate,  that  this  curfed  war  wis  not  now  to  be 
confide  red  a^  an  American,  tut  as  a  French  war.  If  it  ^'^ 
a  French  war,  undoubtedly  we  were  doing  a  moft  impolitic 
thing,  for  we  were  fighting  France  at  arm's  length,  as  Ihc 
couid,  with  5000  trobps  that  did  not  coft  her  more  than  40L 
a  man  a --year,    maintain  the  war  againft  us  with  73»°^ 

A,  178a.  DEBATES*  315 

men^  at  tool,  a  man.  There  appeared  to  him  a  fourth  kind 
of  war,  at  which' nature  fliuddered,  he  meant  an  Indian  war; 
for  he  was  well  affured  that  a  new  pl^ce  had  been  appointed, 
which  he  could  fcarce  think,  in"  times  like  the  prefent,  was 
meant  as  a  finecure,  that  was,  Inipeflor  of  Indian  affairs. 
In  the  nam'e  of  God  what  could  be  th6  motive  of  minillers, 
that  they  wifhed  to  drive  every  fpark  of  love,  every  tie  of 
the  Americans,  whom  he  would  Itill  call  brethren,  (for  fo 
they  certainly  were)  from  us?  Did  we  fuppofe  that  by  the 
infernalplarfofdefolation,  of  burning,  ravagirig,  flaughter- 
5ng,  and  ravilhing  of  thefe  oppreffcd  people,  we  could  ever 
make  them  love  us  ?  Certainly  nor,  they  undoubtedly  felt 
the  calamities  of  war,  and  would  wifli  fpr  peace;  but  could 
any  man  think  that  a  nation,  once  famed  for  its  honour  and 
humanity,  could  fo  far  loofc  fight  of  itfelf,  as  to  employ  fe- 
vages  to  butcher  innocent,  inoiFenfive  men  I  No,  it  w'as  a 
cbnduft  of  that  Rind  tliat  had  made  us,  not  as  a  noble  Lord 
(Mulgrave)  had  mentioned  in  a  former  debate,  the  glory 
and  envy  of  every  other  nation,  but  had  made  us  the  ridiv 
cule  and  contempt  of  every  power  upon  earth  :  this  he 
did  not  Ipeak  merely  on  his  own  opinion,  but  on  thofc  of 
gentlemen  who  had  lately  travelled,  and  heard  the  fentlr 
ments  of  others.  An  honourable  gentlemen  (Sir  H.  Mann) 
in  laft  Friday's  debate  had  declared,  that  lately  oh  the  con- 
tinent he  had  been  in  company,  where  it  w^s  alked  what 
country  he  was.;  and  on  being  told  an  Englifliman,  they 
all  fiieered  aftid  turned  up  their' nofes;  but  afterward,  in 
another  company,  it  was  whifperejd  he  was  an  American, 
and  he  vi^as  carefled  by  every  one.  Such  was  the  opinion 
formed  of  us,  owing  to  our  defpicable  meafures.  The  Ame- 
ricans, he  had  been  credibly  informed,  wifhed  for  a  peace,  and 
would  willingly  treat  for  one,  could  they  put  any  depen- 
dence in  the  faith  of  minifters :  but  was  it  poflible  for  any 
pe6j>le  to  be  weak  enough  to  truft  to  men  that  wcrccomi- 
nually  ifhifting  their  ground,  as  our  prefent'  minifters  were, 
calling  the  war  one  day  a  war  of  po^s,  another  a  defenfivc 
war,  and  at  laft  a  French  American  war  ?  He  would  not 
contend  about  mere  words;  for  a  rofe,  to  be  fure,  called  by 
any  other  name,  would  imeli  as  fPveet  as  if  called  by  its 
broper  name;  and  on  that  head  he  would  let  them  have  the 
fragrant  fmell  of  the  word  American.  But  he  could  not  fit 
down  vvFthoat  faying  a  few  words  by  way  of  pointing  but  the 
necefllty  of  coming  to  a  fpeedy  determination,  left^by  delay- 
ing, we  (hovild  lofe   the  opportunity  of  making  ^  peace. 


3,6  P  A  R  L  I  AM  E  NT  A  R  Y.  A  i)h^  j 

Every  gentlcmaa  kHew  what  burthens-  had  been  heaped  upon 
the  public^  and  how  very  near  we  were  to  fee  our  refourccs 
cihauftcd  in  the  purfuit  of  an  objeft  which  conftantly  M 
from  us,  and  which  we  never  could  attain  ;  by  this  wild 
purfuit  we  weakened  ourfclves,  and  became  unable  to  re- 
fift  the  dreadful  danger  that  was  hanging  over  us.  At  tlis 
very  moment,  while  he  was  fpeaRing,  he  was  akaid  that  a 
dreadful  blow  was  preparing  againft  fome  vital  part  of  the 
empire;  fbr  ho  was  given  to  underftand  that  a  fleet  of  40 
fail  of  the  line,  partly  French  and  partly  Spanifb,  had  lately 
»  put  to  fea,  for  the  purpofe  of  fonsie  great  expedition,  to 

which  we  had  every  thing,  to  dreads  '  The  ftate  of  thcfc 
powers  who  compofcd  the  armed  neutrality^  forniftcdv^ 
aifo  with  fubjefl:  of  the  grcatefl  apprchetifion  :  our  refourc" 
in  men  and  money  were  pearly  e^haufled;  the  beft  bloovlio 
the  country  had  been  fpilt^  and  flill  our  infatuated  miniilry 
purfucd  the  war,  without  even  a  iliadow  of  hope  that  ftc- 
ccfi  would  attend  the  pur&it. — How  many  more  human  fa- 
orifices  did  thofe  mini fters  look  for?  How  many  more  hu- 
man  vifitims  were  to  be  offered  up  to  thofe  Jcmi-gods?  l^o* 
thing  could  fatiate  them;  nothing  could  preferve- the  empire 
from  that  ruin  into  which  they  were  plunging  It,  but  a  vol: 
of  that  Houfe  :  He  had'  drawn  up  a  motion,  the  very  fame 
in  fubflancc  with  that  which  had  been  already  rejefted ;  b"-' 
differing  in  te;ras,  in  compliance  with  the  rules  of  Parlia- 
ment; the  firft  motion  was  for  an  addrefs  to  the  Crown; 
the  motion  which  he  intended  to  iiiake  this  day,  was  in  tbc 
fhapc  of  a  refolution..  He  reminded  gentlemen  that  no^^r 
was  the  time  to  attend  to  their  duty  i  Tfte  fate  of^  the  Ian 
queflion  was  determined  by,  *t  finglc  vote;  and  though ji 
might  be  thought  tliat  one  vote  w^s  not  of  any  great  com:- 
quencc,  yet  it  appeared,,  by  tlie  )'aft  divlfi'on^  that  a  fmgi-' 
vote  wa«  of  the  grjcatefl  importance,  and  no  one  who  wilK- 
well  to  his  country  would  be  ;ibfent  on  the  prefcnt  occafioo ; 
for  to  be  alifeut  would  Be.  in  fub{lanc?e  little  fnort  of  treach- 
ery tothc  intcrcfl  of  the  kingdbit).  He  concluded,  by  mov- 
ing; the  roHowing.rcfolution  : 

"  That  it  is  the  opinion  of  this  Houfe,  that  tbc  far?}?^' 
^•ofecutiort  of  oiTenfivc  war  on^  tlic  continent  of  Norra 
America,  for  the  purpofe  of  reducing  the  revolted  color.K* 
to. obedience  by  force,  will  be  the  means  of  weakening  t:' 
efforts  of  this  Country  againft  her  EuropeaA  enemies,  teocN 
under  the  prolent  circumftances,  dangeroufly  to  increafe  th; 
mutual  enmity,  fo  fatal  to  the  intercffs  both  of  Great  Bti^] 


A.  1782,  DEBATES.  317 

and  America,  and,  by  preventing  an  happy  reconciliation  with 
that  country,  to  fruftrate  the  earneft  defire  gracioufly  ex- 
preflcd  by  his  Majefty  to  reftorc  the  bleffings  of  public . ' 

Lord  Vifcount  Jhborpe  feconded  the  motion  from  a  tho-  Lord.  AU 
rough  conviAion,  he  (aid,  that  it  was  juft,  and  conform-  thorp* 
able  to  the  wilhes  of  the  people  at  large,  who,  where-ever 
he  went,  were  exclaiming  a^ainft  the  American  war.  He 
had  liftened  with  great  attention  during  the  debate  of  Friday 
laft,  and  was  aftonifhed  to  hear  it  faid,  "  You  muft  make 
war  to  gain  peace — you  muft  make  the  Americans  feel  the 
calanaities  of  war,  to  wifti  for  peace."  Would  any  man  fay 
they  had  not  felt  the  calaniities  of  war ;  or  woulo  any  man 
fay,  that  we  ourfelvcs  had  not  felt  the  calamities  of  war  ?  If 
they  did,  he  muft  differ  widely  in  opinion  from  them  J  for, 
was  the  burning  of  towns,  and  fpreading  defolation  where- 
ever, we  went,  not  making  the  Americans  feel  the  calamities 
of  war  in  the  utmoft  degree  ?  Certainly  it  was ;  and  the  vaft 
burthen  and  increafe  of  our  taxes,  was  feverely  felt  at  home} 
befides,  our  army  in  An[ierica  was  not  only  an  uiclefs  army, 
but  was  a  me^ns  of  our  navy  being  neglefted,  for  the  men 
that  were  raifcd  and  fent  to  be  flaughtered  there,  would  have 
been  of  infinite  fervice,  if  employed  as  marines,  or  by  be- 
coming failors.  " 

Sir  Cbfirles  Bunbury  faid,  that  he  had  formerly  declared  sir  Charfea 
againft  the  independence  of  America ;  though  he  had  never  Bunbury. 
concurtcd  in  the  carrying  on  the  war,  becauiehe  had  thought 
it  impracticable;     He  underftood  that  a  right  honourable 
gentleman  had  fpoken  out  in  a  very  manly  tone  with  regard 
to  the  American  war;  a  happy'  breeze  had  wafted  thofe 
favourable  omens  to  the  gallery,^  which,  by  the  hand  of 
fome  careful  reporter,  were  delivered  to  the  world.     As  their 
difference  of  opinion  had  not  meiely  feparated  him  hitherto 
from  that  right  honourable  gentleman  within,  but  alfo  with- 
out doors,  he  trufted  that  the  prefcnt  happy  change  of  his 
fentiments  would  put  an  end  to  theit  feparation.     He  de- 
clared he  knew  the  country  had  fufFered  much  by  thfc  Ame- 
rican war;  his  noble  kinfman,  however,  had  given  the  befl 
evidence  with  regard  to  his  difrclifli  of  war,  by  his  agreement 
to  the  terms  of  lending  out  commiflioners  for  the  purpofe  of 
procuring  peace.    Sir  Charles  faid,  his  fenfibility  was  ftrong, 
which  prevented  him  frotn'fpeaking  in  public,  and  made  him 
but  feldom  trefpafs  on  their  attention;  he  fincerely  wifhed, 
that  he  cotuld  but  transfer  fome  part  of  that  fenfibility  to  his 
Vol.  VL  Tt  Majefly*d 

'  \ 

-^18  P  A  n  L  I  A  M  E  N  T  A  H  Y  A.  1782. 


Majefty's  mihifters,  and  teach  therii  to  ftd  thofe  ftifferiugs, 
which  their  condud  had  brought  on  the  cf^uftby*  He  was, 
he  acknowledged,  much  bettfer  calculated  f6f  a  mart  6f  plW- 
iurc  than  pohtics;  but  his. property  in  the  Weft  Ifididd  coni- 
pellcd  him  to  attetid  to  thofc  Jflaiids,  hdW^vcr  difagreablc 
apd  uncongenial  to  his  difpbfitioh  thfe  ftudy  ttiight  bt.  Bend- 
ing under  weights  like  thofc  it  prefent  iftSifted  oil  the  na- 
tion,- and  palliating  them  by  the  vokc  of  a  majority,-  h6  de- 
clared, was  like  foothing  a  delicate  tnan,  and  nlaking  him 
bear  up  againft  the  braWny  arm  Of  a  toal-he^^v'e^  ^  The 
ravages  of  war  were  injurious  to  the  feelirigS  df  h'titn^fiity, 
which  lighed  at  them.'*  Thcfe  werfc  ndt,  he  fdid,  the  ex- 
preflions  of  a  rcclufe  philofopher,  they  Wefe  thfe  ^-'dfds  6f  the 
celebrated  Paul  Jones,  arid  did  hdhOur  to  his  humanity.  He 
fitid  lately  heard  men  wifh  to  prevent  gambling ;  he  was  very 
happy  that  bis  rioble  friend  had  taken  fome  pains  to  hinder 
the  lower  order  of  people  from  praftifing  that  pernicioos 
vice;  he  kne^  the  higher  order  of  people  could  and  Would 
break  through  all  preventiohs,  but  he  could  not  lialp  wifliing 
that  an  entire  fuppreffion  of  lotteries  might  t^ke  place,  bc- 
caufe  he  was  convinced  they  were  exceedingly  injurious  to 
morality.  It  was  not,  however,  in  framing  or  fopprefSog 
lotteries,  he  liked  to  fee  his  Lordlhip  engaged,  many  good 
leffons  might  be  obtained  in  other  places;  he  had  feen  a  no- 
ble Duke  and  a  noble  Marquis,  his  Lordfilip*s  predeceflbrs, 
on  the  courfe  at  Newmarket,  where  he  <^Ould  likewife  wifli 
to  fee  his  Lordlhip.  [Here  he  was  called  to  order,]  He 
immediately  declared  he  was  fpeaking  to  otder,  and  ihould 
come  to  the  qucftion  preftntly.  Had  thfe  nbblfe  Lord  been 
ufcd  to  that  amufement,  to  which  he  'had  juit  alluded,  he 
might  there  have  learned  fomegood  leflbfts,  in  the  famemao- 
her  za  children  are  taught  geography  frOm  toys,  made  Out  of 
maps  cut  into  pieces.  The  noble  Duke  had  lea;med  at  New- 
market, never  to  be  over-matched;  and  the  noble  Marquis, 
when  he  found  himfelf  entered  in  a  bad  match  (herfe,  always 
though:  it  beft  to  pay  forfeit.  He  wifhcd  to  addefs  himfelf 
to  the  gentlemen  of  Lincoln,  he  did  not  mean  the  members 
for  the  county,  or  thofe  for  any  particular  part  of  it ;  he 
only  Intended  to  addrefs  himfelf  to  fuch^  as  had  formerly, 
from  confclence,  fupported  this  accurfed  Airtefican  war;  thai 
war  had  originally  commenced  in  the  extremities,  but  it  had 
now  pervaded  to  the  heart.  They  now  felt  that  their  long  wcol 
had  become  non-produftive,  the  export  of  which  was  all  thfl 

cScQ,  which  it  could  or  would  produce^ 

4  Wr« 

A.  1782.  B    E    B    A    T    15    S.  Sr^ 

Mr,  T.  Piii  faid,  th^t  |ie  did  nat  fife  to  ^numerate  the  Mr.  Tho- 
n^ny  urgfjnt  and  forcible  arguments  tbz^t  were  yrged  the  for-  "***  ^*"* 
mer  night  in  fupport  of  this  motion  ;  becaufe  they  had  never 
been  coatradided  ;  he  delivered  it  as  hi«  ppinioo,  that  if  (he 
ingenuity  of  gentlemen  on  the  other  fide  of  tlie  Houfe  had 
not  been  exerted  to  puzzle  and  perplex  the  meaning  of  the 
iDotion  ir^^e  on  Friday  laft,  it  would  i^ave  been  carried  una- 
nimoufly,  pr  at  leaft  by  fo  very  confiderable  a  majority, 
that  it  would  have  approached  very  near  to  unanimity.  He 
thought  i|  peceffary  to  fay,  that  he  was  not  a  faftious  man ; 
it  wa§  well  known  that  he  belonged  to  no  party  ;  and  that  he 
never  v^puld  give  a  vote  for  either  fide  of  the  Hoqfe,  unlefs 
when  Kc^hought  the  good  of  his  country  called  for  it:  in 
the  Ifift  debate  on  the  fubje&  of  the  addrefs,  it  had  been  ur- 
ged on  the  other  fide  of  the  Houfe,  ^hat  the  pbjed  of  the 
g4drcfs  w?s  to  recall  the  tfbpps  ffom  America  ;  but  it  had  no 
liieb  pbjefl: ;  if  it  had^  he  cef tainly  wopld  h^ve  vpled  againft 
it ;  for  he  was  not  yet  ripe  to  fay  that  pur  troops  pught  to  l^e 
recalled :  nor  v^ould  hp  vote  for  that  addrefs,  pr  for  the 
prefent  motion,  if  be  thought  that  in  voting  for  them,  he 
exceeded  the  line^  whkh  tine  conftitqtiop  had  pointed  out  fgi; 
Parlian^^nt  to  purfue.  He  ^opld  not  encroach  upon  the  ex- 
ecn^ive  power,  bec.aufe,  without  documents  l>efore  hin?, 
and  without  that  knowledge  which  could  be  acquired  there- 
froniy  hp  pould  not  tell  what  orders  ought  to  be  given;  he 
would  not  pledge  Parliament  to  any  n^eafpre  which  fliould 
tajte  ftoqf)  n^mifters  the  fefponfibijity  annexed  to  jtheir  office^: 
they  knew  beft  what  to  do;  they  knew  the  real  fenfe  of  the 
Parlwment  aod  the  nation ;  and  they  knew  their  refources  : 
it  w^s  therefore  their  bufineft  to  dcvife  plans  either  for  war  pr 
peaciSy  and  carry  them  into  eKecutjpn  at  their  own  peril.  At 
prefent  the  vvar  in  America  prevented  us  from  afting*  againft 
France:  it  crippled  all  our  exertions;  ^d  therefore  he 
thought  it  his  duty  to  votfc  for  a  refolution,  which  held  out 
a  prpipeft  of  a  peace,  that  )ypvild  .enable  us  the  m,ore  effec- 
tually to  carry  on  the  war  agaipft  our  ancient  and  natural 
enemies ;  and  he  made  no  doubt  but  ,the  fenfe  of  the  nation 
would  be  expreffed  and  re-echoed  by  the  dccifion  of  the  pre- 
fent queftion,  in  the  carrying  pf  whjch^  he  hoped  to  fee  fomc* 
thiog  bordering  very  much  on  unanimity. 

Capt.  John  Lumtll  rof